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Everyone take two steps away from the keyboard, now take a deep breath and relax. This is fantasy football and we are discussing kenbrell thompkins. Not nuclear war strategy.

Only the 2013 season will tell what lies in store for the patriots and their young wr corps. Everything else is just speculation and arguing for the sake of arguing.

For now, thompkins is enjoying running with the 1s and if that continues into the regular season he has value. Dobson will also have value and well as Boyce (probably from an amendola injury).

Pick the guys you like and draft accordingly. When you are right, pat yourself in the back and dance a jig. When you are wrong, remind yourself that you are not a genie with a crystal ball and most of this stuff is pure guess work (educated guess work, but still guess work).

 
As much potential as Thompkins has in NE's offense, I'm only taking a flier on him super late in drafts as most sharks will. He might be getting a little too much hype and his ADP may be too expensive for my taste come draft day. Remember, the Patriots use a vanilla offense in the preseason. Thompkins could get burried in the depth chart when the regular season starts. Dobson and Bryce may end up on many waiver wires and are just as likely to emerge.

 
This comes back to the creme rises to the top idea. If Boyce is the player that I think EBF/Bloom think he is, that upside is higher than Dobson at least I think, but they have to him beat out Amendola to get that opportunity. It makes sense however to swing for the fences more as Dobson might only be Mike Williams type ceiling, Boyce/Thomkins upside could be higher than that.
Every NFL team passed on Boyce three times. Dobson was a 2nd rounder. Dobson and KT have played ahead of Boyce since day one. This is oh so close to not being debatable NOW since these are facts, events that have happened. There is absolutely no one taking a stance for or against Boyce in the future. Should Bloom feel like Boyce will have a better NFL career, no one has discussed that here. Should EBF think that Boyce will be the best WR ever, no one has discussed that either.

We have only discussed now as the offseason progressed and occasionally (but not often in this thread) the 2013 season.

Taking the most quicks and breakaway ability, excitement off the sideline but needs some seasoning as an insulting commentary on Boyce is absurd.

To put this in context-If you stated that Baldwin would start over Bowe in KC this year, many of the same issues would be present including the 50 some odd articles pointing out the Bowe has been running with the ones. If you stated that Baldwin would have a better career...then there's a discussion point. On draft day this was highly debatable and a great discussion, but we have facts which include who started in a preseason game and who ran with the ones in camp that altered things.

EBFs article he has quoted three times on this board, twice in this thread, is poorly written. One, because it mentions that KT is running with the ones but calls Boyce better, but most of all because it mentions Boyce having the best camp. The ONE article that says as such (despite how many for Dobson and KT) came after a week in which he struggled and I regularly quoted articles and said he needed to step up and in fact he did. But feel free to scroll away, he definitely struggled Monday thru Friday(maybe off thursday?) that week and there are plenty of articles stating as such. To say best WR in camp thus far after (20?) articles stating his struggles monday thru friday isn't reasonable. This is why that is a poorly done article.

That very same article mentions his comfort level with the offense. That was not the case then either. The previous week he made a few mistakes which had Brady on him and the reporters taking note. He also botched up fielding punts. Also that week, Talib had a beautiful INT due to Boyce's mistake. None of this displays comfort in the offense.

NOW Boyce has spent more time at each position than any other WR and as the return guy. He could absolutely be the WR that knows all the positions best now. That was clearly not the case then as evidenced by a ton of other articles.

That very same writer has not written another Boyce is best article since. He was the lone one and hasn't said it since. EBF found one guy to say it and has been hanging on that article ever since.
I'm sure sure ebf has no bias, considering he owns Boyce in every league :eye roll:

Comparing 2nd round picks ( Vincent Jackson/ chad Johnson) to a 4th round pick makes no sense. Teams aren't waiting around for 4th round picks to develop. The rams draft a wr in the 3rd round almost every year. They're not saying "well we hope Austin Pettis, Greg salas, Brian quick come around."They went out and got not only tavon Austin but also Stedman Bailey.

Did bb wait around for bethel Johnson or chad Jackson? No. It's a what have u done for me lately league and right now thompkins is and Boyce isn't.

Don't worry I'm sure you'll throw out some bmi numbers. But in the end give me forte ( guy getting it done) over jstew(combine bmi guy).

 
As much potential as Thompkins has in NE's offense, I'm only taking a flier on him super late in drafts as most sharks will. He might be getting a little too much hype and his ADP may be too expensive for my taste come draft day. Remember, the Patriots use a vanilla offense in the preseason. Thompkins could get burried in the depth chart when the regular season starts. Dobson and Bryce may end up on many waiver wires and are just as likely to emerge.
The pats turning up the heat on offense only seems to suggest that would give Thompkins an even larger advantage. All reports so far are saying he's on the same page as Brady and is the best route runner of the three rooks.

 
As much potential as Thompkins has in NE's offense, I'm only taking a flier on him super late in drafts as most sharks will. He might be getting a little too much hype and his ADP may be too expensive for my taste come draft day. Remember, the Patriots use a vanilla offense in the preseason. Thompkins could get burried in the depth chart when the regular season starts. Dobson and Bryce may end up on many waiver wires and are just as likely to emerge.
I agree with this. I wouldn't draft him in redraft. I understand its Tom Brady were talking about but he's also just as likely to dump to Vereen or the offense could go heavy Ridley like the Corey Dillon years. In any case I see him as Rod Streeter. An intriguing long term prospect who has shown more than the rookies he's around and good chemistry with the QB.

 
This comes back to the creme rises to the top idea. If Boyce is the player that I think EBF/Bloom think he is, that upside is higher than Dobson at least I think, but they have to him beat out Amendola to get that opportunity. It makes sense however to swing for the fences more as Dobson might only be Mike Williams type ceiling, Boyce/Thomkins upside could be higher than that.
Every NFL team passed on Boyce three times. Dobson was a 2nd rounder. Dobson and KT have played ahead of Boyce since day one. This is oh so close to not being debatable NOW since these are facts, events that have happened.

There is absolutely no one taking a stance for or against Boyce in the future. Should Bloom feel like Boyce will have a better NFL career, no one has discussed that here. Should EBF think that Boyce will be the best WR ever, no one has discussed that either.

We have only discussed now as the offseason progressed and occasionally (but not often in this thread) the 2013 season.

Taking the most quicks and breakaway ability, excitement off the sideline but needs some seasoning as an insulting commentary on Boyce is absurd.

To put this in context-If you stated that Baldwin would start over Bowe in KC this year, many of the same issues would be present including the 50 some odd articles pointing out the Bowe has been running with the ones. If you stated that Baldwin would have a better career...then there's a discussion point. On draft day this was highly debatable and a great discussion, but we have facts which include who started in a preseason game and who ran with the ones in camp that altered things.

EBFs article he has quoted three times on this board, twice in this thread, is poorly written. One, because it mentions that KT is running with the ones but calls Boyce better, but most of all because it mentions Boyce having the best camp. The ONE article that says as such (despite how many for Dobson and KT) came after a week in which he struggled and I regularly quoted articles and said he needed to step up and in fact he did. But feel free to scroll away, he definitely struggled Monday thru Friday(maybe off thursday?) that week and there are plenty of articles stating as such. To say best WR in camp thus far after (20?) articles stating his struggles monday thru friday isn't reasonable. This is why that is a poorly done article.

That very same article mentions his comfort level with the offense. That was not the case then either. The previous week he made a few mistakes which had Brady on him and the reporters taking note. He also botched up fielding punts. Also that week, Talib had a beautiful INT due to Boyce's mistake. None of this displays comfort in the offense.

NOW Boyce has spent more time at each position than any other WR and as the return guy. He could absolutely be the WR that knows all the positions best now. That was clearly not the case then as evidenced by a ton of other articles.

That very same writer has not written another Boyce is best article since. He was the lone one and hasn't said it since. EBF found one guy to say it and has been hanging on that article ever since.
Thanks Bri,

What I was talking about was the post draft impressions of these players and what roles in the offense they are projected towards, what kind of upside is being considered for the players in these roles. I certainly do not think Dobson = Moss. But I think he can be a very good player, I just think his upside does not approach WR1 numbers. I would be happy to be wrong about that, just the way I am seeing it, not that Dobson will not a be a very good WR, I just don't think he will get the targets to be a WR1 in this offense.

The WR1 in this offense is Amendola, Thompkins and Boyce might be able to perform at a higher upside in that role than Dobson has playing the X.

None of us really knows what the real upside is for these 3 WRs in this offense. I was just reiterating the conversations about that from back in April the way I understood them.

I see Amendola being in their way no matter what. Thompkins upside could be higher if be can play all 3 WR spots in the offense.

 
Thompkins upside could be higher if be can play all 3 WR spots in the offense.
I don't know that he's played in the slot much at all. Otherwise, he's edged out everyone outside at both spots. I believe, although it wasn't said, when Dobson and he were opposite Edelman that the feeling was the two better guys were sharing time. A few days later and they were opposite each other again.

What's been most difficult to understand is when they are in a two WR set and Amendola has one spot. Most of the articles read like Dobson is the darling and KT seems way more polished like a vet.

Many 3 WR sets is where I think Boyce would have the best opportunity to come in, shine, and force BB to roll with the hot hand. With him having learned all three spots, he only needs one guy to need a breather and he's in.

As was mentioned earlier, but probably needs to be repeated...the Pats have lined their RBs out wide. BB will surely try this to create a mismatch. Whether he does it often or once a game no one knows but it'll change the value of these WRs if BB falls in love with it.

Zach Sudfeld is a beast with baseball mitts for hands. He's going to be especially hard to cover near the red zone or in third and a few yards situations. When Gronk returns, the two TE presence should affect the WRs playing time too.

BB has always been a coach to exploit a mismatch as many times as a D will let him. Any one of the six or seven guys I mentioned could "have a DBs number" and get a ton of work one day. The best thing we could all hope for(if we draft one) is a hot hand. As I see it, only Amendola and Gronk are assured redraft FF production.

Soon I am expecting I'll be confident in KT for redraft. According to ADP, I can draft him whenever I want. I'll take any starting WR with one of my last picks.

The Brady classic quck/immediate screen to the WR that he's done a zillion times....I'm waiting to see Boyce there. Thompkins does it and they like his fight he has in him. Boyce could be pretty there though and could be another way he jumps up the food chain.

right now redraft adp is roughly dobson 150, kt 180, boyce 300.

 
Thanks Bri,

Does anyone know how well KT does as a blocker? How about Sudfeld and Vereen? As that would be something that would impact their snaps.

This is a tricky puzzle to figure out as far as projected roles, snaps and targets with a lot of different possible combinations. This is a large pie so any of these players could end up being very valuable. To figure out how valuable it comes down to snaps so they can get targets.

Reading some things about KT and came across this projecting him to the X role-

Patriots' Kenbrell Thompkins could be fantasy draft gold8/14/13 in NFL | Matthew_Shovlin

Every year in NFL training camp, there are always players who initially light up the practice field, but then cool off and fail to make a lasting impact. It happens frequently, which means you should not get too excited when someone on your team draws raves over a short span during August.


Jun 12, 2013; Foxborough, MA, USA; New England Patriots wide receiver Kenbrell Thompkins makes a reception during minicamp at the practice fields of Gillette Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Stew Milne-USA TODAY SportsNew England Patriots wide receiver Kenbrell Thompkins was one of those players early in camp. Thompkins began by earning a few first-team reps. He then drew reviews from beat writers saying he was "catching everything thrown his way," and two days later ESPN Boston said he was "arguably the best player on the field." Despite the overwhelmingly positive reviews, that was still during the first week of training camp. An undrafted free agent out of Cincinnati, Thompkins' chances of keeping his fiery pace seemed slim, but the rookie has yet to slow down.

It was reported on August 7 that Thompkins was showing great chemistry with quarterback Tom Brady, and that they were "consistently on the same page." Thompkins showed a great understanding of the Patriots' complex option routes which are a staple in their offensive scheme. Earning Brady's trust is the most important goal for a Patriots receiver, and Thompkins seems to be trusted by Brady.

Thompkins then played in his first NFL exhibition game, catching four of his five targets for 23 yards while lining up at three different receiver positions. The performance has the Boston Globe expecting the 25-year-old to be "featured more and more" as the regular season grows closer.
As of Wednesday, Thompkins is still getting the majority of first-team reps and appears to be penciled in for the starting "X" receiver job opposite Danny Amendola. Beat writer Mike Reiss has praised Thompkins for his "consistency... throughout camp," which makes it seem as if Thompkins is not just another one of those fluky camp performers - he just might be the real deal.

If he wins the starting job, Thompkins would essentially be taking the role of the departed Brandon Lloyd in the offense this season. Lloyd caught 74 passes for 911 yards in 2012, though it is hard to gauge what that means for Thompkins, as Lloyd was an ultra-talented player on the field, but an alleged head case off the field and in the locker room.

Regardless, being one of Tom Brady's primary receiving options means you're going to get your chances to make plays. If Thompkins can hold on to the starting gig and keep up his impressive play, he has a real shot at making a strong impact on one of the league's premier offenses.

Fantasy owners should take note, as Thompkins' current average draft position (according to Yahoo) is 128.5 and he's only being drafted in 2% of leagues. He's being drafted behind several kickers, and even has a lower ADP than Lloyd, who isn't even on a team. His ADP is sure to rise as the season grows closer and fans begin to learn his name, but grabbing a starting wide receiver for the New England Patriots in the double-digit rounds could prove to be one of the wisest moves in fantasy drafts this year.

That being said, I feel obligated to go over the risks as well. There is a possibility that Thompkins could struggle to adapt to the full speed of regular season NFL football. One regular season misstep could land him behind other receivers in the rotation. In addition, he has another sensational talent behind him in 2013 second-round pick Aaron Dobson. If Dobson takes his game to another level, he could begin eating into Thompkins' targets.

The risks make Thompkins a reach during single-digit rounds, but his fantasy upside can not be ignored and he is well worth a flier in the later rounds. You could end up having the steal of the draft if you grab Thompkins at the right time, and depending on how knowledgeable your league-mates are, he could end up plummeting to the bottom of your draft. http://www.faniq.com/blog/Kenbrell-Thompkins-remains-favorite-to-start-at-WR-for-Patriots-Blog-69570

If this writer is correct that sounds like Dobson would be the odd man out here on 2 WR sets. However I think Dobson will see the field a lot due to his blocking ability, even if that does not translate to targets, it would to snaps.

I feel a little bit closer to possibly taking a crack at how this pie will be distributed, but not much.

Just following up my question in regards to KT, that he does seem to be an accomplished and physical blocker as well as excellent route runner, he seems like the full package.

“I was blown away at his ability to adjust,” said Gresh. “He saw what Brady saw, but you and I both talked about it, it was really the (touchdown) to Vereen that this kid — to this point, what they’ve shown — he seems to understand the concept. It was what he didn’t do on the Vereen play that let you know that.”“On the Veren play, not getting in the way of the fade-route, he ran his route to allow proper spacing to give Brady the window to throw it to where either Vereen catches it or it goes out of bounds,” said Gresh.

“It’s Thompkins’ ability to adjust mid-route; he gets jammed and pushed down inside but he’s still running that slant. He understands the route,” said Zolak. “He is, and I’m going back to 03-04 when they drafted Deion Branch and the offense started to evolve where it was Brady with the play-fake one way and then that backside slant… I think as this thing develops so far, and you’re picking one guy out of that group that you’re saying ‘it’s third and four, here’s the route and go wind on it’ I can see that relationship forming between #12 and #85.

“The fact that he got jammed, and continued to work inside to keep his defender out of Shane Vereen’s way, that’s huge for that kid,” said Zo. “He actually cut his route short to hold his defender on it.”

“When you look at Thompkins the size stands out, but his body-type as well,” said Gresh. “A lot of people look at him and say ‘he looks like Ochocinco, except with talent.’ Ocho was a long, lean-type guy who had long arms and he could pluck it out of the air. The one where Thompkins caught it on the numbers in front of the defender, (he turned his body to catch it). That’s something you envision Ochocinco, in his heyday, doing.” http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/08/12/gresh-zo-kenbrell-thompkins-impressive-in-preseason-debut-patriots/

Highly competitive, Thompkins gets after defender quickly on blocks, stays over feet and blocks man out of the play consistently. .http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=46031

2. Here is another factor that led Sudfeld to New England, which is a credit to both the team and his agent, Scott Smith of XAM Sports. The Patriots annually keep at least one or two undrafted free agents on their 53-man roster, assuming those players have earned the right to stick. The track record over Bill Belichick's 14 years as head coach speaks for itself in that regard as Belichick's general philosophy is that "it doesn't matter your draft status, where you came from, or what you've done before getting here, everyone gets a clean slate." Smith and his agency obviously did their research, knowing that they were sending their client to a franchise where he'd get a fair shake if he deserved it (later, the unexpected turn of events with Aaron Hernandez also helped). Not all franchises are created equal in that regard. Just ask any agent about that and most would agree. http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots
 
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Bri said:
This bit is more interesting than just fluff to me:

Perhaps the best indication of his comfort with his receivers is that, on average, Brady has released the ball in fewer than two seconds on each of his 18 completions. Last year, Brady released the ball in an average of 2.42 seconds, the fastest mark in the NFL.
It's preseason so the coverages are very basic could be why. But this does show he has trust and chemistry with the receivers already to not be needing to watch their routes longer waiting for them to come open.

I think if any team sets a new total plays record this season my money is on the team that raised the bar last season.

 
FOXBORO, Mass. — With Danny Amendola out of practice for two straight days, it’s looking more and more like Tom Brady won’t have his new favorite target to throw to Thursday against the Lions. If Amendola has to sit, it will give added opportunities to rookies Kenbrell Thompkins, Josh Boyce and Aaron Dobson and veteran Julian Edleman. Edelman hasn’t been playing much with the first unit this preseason, but without Amendola and without his foot injury holding him back, Edelman should get plenty of opportunities with Brady this Thursday. Thompkins, Boyce and Edelman can all play Amendola’s role as the slot/Z receiver. Getting them in those roles now will be valuable if Amendola has to miss any time during the season.

Read more at: http://nesn.com/2013/08/kenbrell-thompkins-josh-boyce-to-get-added-opportunities-if-danny-amendola-cant-play-thursday-video/

 
“By mid-training camp, we should know who I’m most comfortable throwing to.” — Tom Brady on WEEI, May 23, 2012

We covered Brady’s amazing preseason, made all the more impressive by the fact that he’s doing it (mostly) with a group of all new pass-catchers. On Monday, he talked a little about their progression, as well as the fact that they have gotten a ton of opportunities this summer.

“Much more opportunity than some guys get in certain years when you have a lot of veteran players at certain positions,” Brady said. “[but] the more opportunity, the better you get. They had a lot of opportunity the other night, [Kenbrell Thompkins] and Aaron [Dobson] and Josh [Boyce] at the receiver position, with Danny [Amendola], whatJulian [Edelman]’s been able to do coming back from his injury, and [Zach] Sudfeld — he’s had a lot of opportunity. Guys are trying to make the most of it.”

Ultimately, when you’re talking about the relationship between Brady and the new options in the passing game, it all comes down to comfort and chemistry. And so, armed with that statement he made this past spring on WEEI — and at the midway point of the preseason — here’s a confidence/comfort check when it comes to Brady and his pass-catchers. We’ll rate each of the skill position players and their relationship with Brady on a scale of 0 (Taylor Price) to 100 (Wes Welker).

RB Shane Vereen: 85. Vereen, who is heading into his third season with the Patriots, has an excellent shot at becoming a multidimensional breakout star in this offense. He will not only be asked to pick up some of the slack left by the departure of Danny Woodhead, he also will figure into New England’s overall plans when it comes to replicating the work of Welker and Aaron Hernandez in the passing game. He’s certainly off to a good start — he’s touched the ball 13 times in two preseason games and come away with 105 yards from scrimmage — a whopping average of eight yards per attempt. (That includes four catches for 46 yards on Friday against the Bucs.)

WR Danny Amendola: 82. Amendola has far and away been the best receiver in camp, and has displayed a really nice connection with the quarterback over the course of the summer. It’s not fair to compare the Brady-Amendola relationship to the QB’s history with Welker, but it certainly appears to be on its way. Amendola had six catches for 71 yards and a touchdown on Friday against the Bucs, with the score coming on an artfully executed 26-yarder that looked an awful lot like a route run by old No. 83.

WR Julian Edelman: 72. The veteran — the only receiver on the roster who caught a pass from Brady last season — certainly scores points when it comes to continuity and familiarity. He’s been working with the No. 2 offense for much of the summer but has already displayed a nice chemistry with both Brady and Ryan Mallett, and he leads all pass-catchers who have been targeted at least five times this summer with a 78 percent catch rate (seven catches on nine targets). He’s likely a backup to Amendola, and also figures to work as a return man.

TE Zach Sudfeld: 67. While he still needs some work as a blocker, the rookie tight end continues to impress as a pass-catcher. He’s had several big moments over the course of the summer, but he had two of his best moments Friday against the Bucs. One, he caught a two-point conversion from Brady, and two, he came away with a touchdown pass from Mallett. On the PAT, he showed why he should be a great red zone target, coming away with the reception despite the fact that he drew double coverage. Again, if he shows improvement as a blocker, there’s no reason to think he won’t be on the field to start the season.

WR Kenbrell Thompkins: 64. The rookie out of Cincinnati has been the most consistent first-year receiver through the first half of camp. That’s not to say there haven’t been some forgettable moments, but he should make the roster, and has a very good shot at being the No. 2 receiver in the offense if he continues progressing in the right direction. While the preseason is for trying out some new things and seeing if rookies can handle an NFL workload, it’s interesting to see that through two games, he’s tied for third on the team with nine targets.

WR Aaron Dobson: 60. Dobson had a great start to camp, and he continues to flash a unique set of skills, particularly when it comes to going up and competing for a ball at the highest point — he’s got strong hands, and can outwrestle a defender for position when needed. His basketball skills allow him to use his body in a way few other New England receivers have done in the past, and he’s been able to do a pretty good job getting separation. At least right now, he appears to be slotted in at the No. 3 receiver spot behind Amendola and Thompkins, but a series of good, consistent performances over the last two weeks of the preseason could bump him back up the depth chart to No. 2. (Interesting that he leads the team in targets through the first two games of the preseason with 13. And according to Pro Football Focus, he leads all New England skill position players in snaps through two preseason games with 82.)

WR Josh Boyce: 55. The fourth-round pick out of TCU hasn’t spent a lot of time running with the starting offense, and so the relatively low number is more the result of just not having as much time with Brady as the rest of the pass-catchers. When he’s been targeted, he’s done well, but at this point in the summer, he appears slotted in as the fourth receiver.

http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/newengland/football/patriots/2013/08/20/confidence-game-measuring-tom-bradys-comfort-level-with-his-pass-catchers/

 
Everyone take two steps away from the keyboard, now take a deep breath and relax. This is fantasy football and we are discussing kenbrell thompkins. Not nuclear war strategy.

Only the 2013 season will tell what lies in store for the patriots and their young wr corps. Everything else is just speculation and arguing for the sake of arguing.

For now, thompkins is enjoying running with the 1s and if that continues into the regular season he has value. Dobson will also have value and well as Boyce (probably from an amendola injury).

Pick the guys you like and draft accordingly. When you are right, pat yourself in the back and dance a jig. When you are wrong, remind yourself that you are not a genie with a crystal ball and most of this stuff is pure guess work (educated guess work, but still guess work).
Indeed, Danny A., Vereen, Sudfeld before/afterGronk, Gronk upon his return, Edelman, Thompkins, Dobson, Boyce... someone will be right, more will be wrong.

Actually all of these guys could be valuable during parts of the season but not all season.

 
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Rotoworld:

Through two preseason games, Kenbrell Thompkins has played 29 snaps with Tom Brady.
It's the second-most among Patriots wideouts. Danny Amendola (32) leads the way, followed by Thompkins, Josh Boyce (15), Aaron Dobson (10) and Julian Edelman (4). Thompkins and Amendola are the Pats' receivers in two-wide formations, and Thompkins clearly has a stranglehold on the "X" position. Brandon Lloyd produced a 74/911/4 line on 130 targets at that spot in 2012.

Related: Aaron Dobson, Josh Boyce, Danny Amendola

Source: ESPN Boston
 
In with the starters tonight and has a 2 catches for about 41yds, including a 37yd go route where he burned Darius Slay.

Difficult to see a situation where he isn't the starter opposite Amendola, and that position will be productive, especially if Gronk misses time.

 
I've got a bunch of drafts coming up this weekend and he was always that last pick flyer to me. I'm starting to think that I'm going to grab him a little earlier just to make sure nobody else has the same idea. I think he will easily put up WR2 numbers this year.

 
Without Amendola and Gronk, Thompkins has been Brady's go-to guy in this game.

4 targets, 3 receptions, 47 yards. Had a bad drop on 3rd and short though.

 
6 catches for 93 yards in the first half. Can't watch the game, but it sounds like he had a drop (or 2?). Stat line looks impressive! I'm glad I got him late in our rookie draft about a month ago!

 
6 catches for 93 yards in the first half. Can't watch the game, but it sounds like he had a drop (or 2?). Stat line looks impressive! I'm glad I got him late in our rookie draft about a month ago!
Only one drop I saw, it was a bad one. Other than that, he is creating separation all over the field and Brady was locked onto him.
 
If you were in the AC forum screwing around, and you were to read a post about a guy who would need to drop Denarius Moore in order to pick up Kenbrell, what would you tell him to do? I'm asking for a friend.

 
Why is it that he went undrafted?
Ive heard off field issues mentioned a number of times, dont know the specifics.
found some info: http://www.boston.com/sports/blogs/goingdeep/2013/08/kenbrell_thompkins_revealing_h.html

"Thompkins had multiple run-ins with the law before college, and although he saw some success at Cincinnati with 78 catches for 1,077 yards and four touchdowns in his two-year career, his off-field concerns were enough to scare teams away from him in the draft."

ETA: lol...I drafted Dobson in my dynasty league with the 29th overall rookie pick in our draft back in early May. Thompkins was not drafted. One of the other sharks snatched him up off of waivers on July 21st.

 
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Why is it that he went undrafted?
Ive heard off field issues mentioned a number of times, dont know the specifics.
He was arrested a ton as a teenager, and expelled from school. It was a minor news story in college football-land when he wanted to transfer to Oklahoma out of junior college, but Oklahoma refused to let him on the team because of his juvenile criminal history. Eventually he ended up in Cincinnati and, by every indication, has been pretty squeaky clean since.

 
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I've got a bunch of drafts coming up this weekend and he was always that last pick flyer to me. I'm starting to think that I'm going to grab him a little earlier just to make sure nobody else has the same idea.
"A little earlier" ain't gonna cut it. He's not a secret anymore.

 
Why is it that he went undrafted?
Ive heard off field issues mentioned a number of times, dont know the specifics.
Excerpt from article on DLF

He grew up in Liberty City, which is a suburb of Miami well known for gang activity. As a youth, he found himself alone much of the time and accidentally shot himself as he was playing with a gun at the age of seven. He reportedly sold drugs by the time he was in middle school. Yes, middle school.

Believe it or not, things actually got worse before they got better.

In High School, he was expelled three times, including once after an arrest for armed robbery. He was also arrested for cocaine possession with the intent to sell. All in all, he was arrested a total of seven or eight times (depending on which sources you read) while he was a teenager. Even with immense talent, there was no way any major University was going to take a chance on him. In the end, Thompkins had a choice to make – change his ways, his friends and his path or deal with the extreme consequences of his future actions.

He’s seemingly made the right choice.

Due to his numerous run-ins with the law, Thompkins lost out on any major college scholarships. He signed a letter of intent with Morgan State University, but never ended up playing there. After taking a year off from football, Thompkins went to Palomar CC before transferring to El Camino Community College in California. He played at El Camino and set the school’s most important receiving records.

After leaving school for the University of Tennessee on a scholarship from Lane Kiffin, Thompkins was thrown a curveball when Kiffin bolted for USC. Thompkins left Tennessee and tried to get in to Oklahoma. After he was denied by the Sooners due to their policy on criminal records, he eventually caught on at Cincinnati, due in no small part to the help of his well-known cousin (Antonio Brown of the Steelers), who was a friend of Head Coach Butch Jones. In his two years at Cincinnati, he put up modest numbers, including 78 catches for 1,077 yards and four touchdowns. He went undrafted, but eventually signed a free agent deal as New England was convinced to at least kick his tires.

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Well im glad that hes been given some chances to turn things around, hopefully he doesn't squander them like some recent garbage.

 
I've got a bunch of drafts coming up this weekend and he was always that last pick flyer to me. I'm starting to think that I'm going to grab him a little earlier just to make sure nobody else has the same idea.
"A little earlier" ain't gonna cut it. He's not a secret anymore.
Yeah. After tonight, he's probably actually going to be overvalued, which is pretty impressive for a 25-year-old rookie UDFA. I bet he climbs into the top 30 WRs by ADP.

 
If you were in the AC forum screwing around, and you were to read a post about a guy who would need to drop Denarius Moore in order to pick up Kenbrell, what would you tell him to do? I'm asking for a friend.
you have one guy having brady throwing to him as at best the #3 target, then you have a guy who has flynn throwing to him and is supposedly the #1. Imo Id scoop thompkins
 
Now Mallett is hitting Thompkins?

8 Rec 126 Yards in a preseason game? Color me impressed... and super excited that I grabbed him in the 15th round of my 17 round draft this past weekend. Almost doing backflips about the guy at the moment.

Anyone have a count on the amount of targets he's gotten this game? Feels like something in the range of 12-15? I don't have the game on just been watching text coverage. Besides the stats can anyone with the game say how he actually looks on field? I'm assuming he's just open non-stop if Brady kept keying in on him so much. Which is terrifying if you think about him being this open without Gronk and Amendola on the field? How open will he be when he's the #3 target?

 
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If you were in the AC forum screwing around, and you were to read a post about a guy who would need to drop Denarius Moore in order to pick up Kenbrell, what would you tell him to do? I'm asking for a friend.
you have one guy having brady throwing to him as at best the #3 target, then you have a guy who has flynn throwing to him and is supposedly the #1. Imo Id scoop thompkins
FTR, if you want an Oakland WR, it's Streater... not Moore.

 
Now Mallett is hitting Thompkins?

8 Rec 126 Yards in a preseason game? Color me impressed... and super excited that I grabbed him in the 15th round of my 17 round draft this past weekend. Almost doing backflips about the guy at the moment.

Anyone have a count on the amount of targets he's gotten this game? Feels like something in the range of 12-15? I don't have the game on just been watching text coverage. Besides the stats can anyone with the game say how he actually looks on field? I'm assuming he's just open non-stop if Brady kept keying in on him so much. Which is terrifying if you think about him being this open without Gronk and Amendola on the field? How open will he be when he's the #3 target?
I believe he only has one drop this game, it was a bad one though.

 
Now Mallett is hitting Thompkins?

8 Rec 126 Yards in a preseason game? Color me impressed... and super excited that I grabbed him in the 15th round of my 17 round draft this past weekend. Almost doing backflips about the guy at the moment.

Anyone have a count on the amount of targets he's gotten this game? Feels like something in the range of 12-15? I don't have the game on just been watching text coverage. Besides the stats can anyone with the game say how he actually looks on field? I'm assuming he's just open non-stop if Brady kept keying in on him so much. Which is terrifying if you think about him being this open without Gronk and Amendola on the field? How open will he be when he's the #3 target?
I believe he only has one drop this game, it was a bad one though.
I'm really shocked, he looks freakin great. If I didn't know who he was, you could tell me he's a 8-year vet and I'd believe it. Also, funny that he's wearing #85 because he has characteristics of the last two Pats to wear that number. He looks like Ocho when he runs, and his body control/good hands reminds me of Lloyd.

 
Now Mallett is hitting Thompkins?

8 Rec 126 Yards in a preseason game? Color me impressed... and super excited that I grabbed him in the 15th round of my 17 round draft this past weekend. Almost doing backflips about the guy at the moment.

Anyone have a count on the amount of targets he's gotten this game? Feels like something in the range of 12-15? I don't have the game on just been watching text coverage. Besides the stats can anyone with the game say how he actually looks on field? I'm assuming he's just open non-stop if Brady kept keying in on him so much. Which is terrifying if you think about him being this open without Gronk and Amendola on the field? How open will he be when he's the #3 target?
I believe he only has one drop this game, it was a bad one though.
So there is such a thing as a good drop?

 
Historical stats show that NE Patriots that wear the #85 have sucked.

Stay away .... stay far, far away.

 
Now Mallett is hitting Thompkins?

8 Rec 126 Yards in a preseason game? Color me impressed... and super excited that I grabbed him in the 15th round of my 17 round draft this past weekend. Almost doing backflips about the guy at the moment.

Anyone have a count on the amount of targets he's gotten this game? Feels like something in the range of 12-15? I don't have the game on just been watching text coverage. Besides the stats can anyone with the game say how he actually looks on field? I'm assuming he's just open non-stop if Brady kept keying in on him so much. Which is terrifying if you think about him being this open without Gronk and Amendola on the field? How open will he be when he's the #3 target?
I believe he only has one drop this game, it was a bad one though.
I'm really shocked, he looks freakin great. If I didn't know who he was, you could tell me he's a 8-year vet and I'd believe it. Also, funny that he's wearing #85 because he has characteristics of the last two Pats to wear that number. He looks like Ocho when he runs, and his body control/good hands reminds me of Lloyd.
He is exactly the same build as those two guys. Almost identical. And he gets open the same way they do too.

Chalk one up to the Pats scouting guys. There was absolutely nothing in what he did at Cincy that would lead anyone to expect this.

 
Now Mallett is hitting Thompkins?

8 Rec 126 Yards in a preseason game? Color me impressed... and super excited that I grabbed him in the 15th round of my 17 round draft this past weekend. Almost doing backflips about the guy at the moment.

Anyone have a count on the amount of targets he's gotten this game? Feels like something in the range of 12-15? I don't have the game on just been watching text coverage. Besides the stats can anyone with the game say how he actually looks on field? I'm assuming he's just open non-stop if Brady kept keying in on him so much. Which is terrifying if you think about him being this open without Gronk and Amendola on the field? How open will he be when he's the #3 target?
I believe he only has one drop this game, it was a bad one though.
I'm really shocked, he looks freakin great. If I didn't know who he was, you could tell me he's a 8-year vet and I'd believe it. Also, funny that he's wearing #85 because he has characteristics of the last two Pats to wear that number. He looks like Ocho when he runs, and his body control/good hands reminds me of Lloyd.
I keep reading and hearing about these comparisons to Ocho in his prime. Which has me incredibly excited for the possibilities for him this season. I imagine Ocho in his prime with Brady would have been a couple of monster seasons.

 
Now Mallett is hitting Thompkins?

8 Rec 126 Yards in a preseason game? Color me impressed... and super excited that I grabbed him in the 15th round of my 17 round draft this past weekend. Almost doing backflips about the guy at the moment.

Anyone have a count on the amount of targets he's gotten this game? Feels like something in the range of 12-15? I don't have the game on just been watching text coverage. Besides the stats can anyone with the game say how he actually looks on field? I'm assuming he's just open non-stop if Brady kept keying in on him so much. Which is terrifying if you think about him being this open without Gronk and Amendola on the field? How open will he be when he's the #3 target?
I believe he only has one drop this game, it was a bad one though.
I'm really shocked, he looks freakin great. If I didn't know who he was, you could tell me he's a 8-year vet and I'd believe it. Also, funny that he's wearing #85 because he has characteristics of the last two Pats to wear that number. He looks like Ocho when he runs, and his body control/good hands reminds me of Lloyd.
I'm a little disappointed that I've missed out on him in my two drafts this year, even reaching on Amendola in one of them.

Thompkins looks like a great fit in the system and a legit WR. He could push Danny for a 1a/1b role.

 
A this point we have to reassess where this kid should go in a rookie draft. Is it crazy to take him before a Keenan Allen? Hopkins? Patterson? Maybe Patterson.

Is it crazy to take him over montee ball? Leveon bell?

What is everyone thinking?

 
A this point we have to reassess where this kid should go in a rookie draft. Is it crazy to take him before a Keenan Allen? Hopkins? Patterson? Maybe Patterson.

Is it crazy to take him over montee ball? Leveon bell?

What is everyone thinking?
Allen? No

Hopkins? Yes, Crazy

Patterson? Little less crazy, still yes

Ball? Yeah, probably still a little crazy

Bell? Even with the injury we're talking dynasty, so yeah still crazy.

I think he now becomes a 2ndish round pick now if you're somehow just drafting your rookie drafts.

 
He may even start week one for me which I didn't think possible as I wanted to see him in action first. If healthy I think his floor could be 60 and 700 which is a great year for a rookie, an undrafted one at that.

 
I have my rookie draft tomorrow and i have the 4th, 5th, and 19th picks. He ain't lasting to 19 after tonight. I'm thinking of doing something loco de cabeza...

The kid is a baller.

He has one of the best qbs in history throwing to him and liking doing so.

He is in a high octane offense.he has very little in his way of instant success.

Tell me again why he shouldn't be a first rd rookie draft pick? Why, BC the scouts were wrong about him and didn't touch him in the draft?

He has a checkered past and that's fine with me. Ill take 2 or 3 years of production before he gets himself kicked off the team for stupidity.

 
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A this point we have to reassess where this kid should go in a rookie draft. Is it crazy to take him before a Keenan Allen? Hopkins? Patterson? Maybe Patterson.

Is it crazy to take him over montee ball? Leveon bell?

What is everyone thinking?
Allen? No

Hopkins? Yes, Crazy

Patterson? Little less crazy, still yes

Ball? Yeah, probably still a little crazy

Bell? Even with the injury we're talking dynasty, so yeah still crazy.

I think he now becomes a 2ndish round pick now if you're somehow just drafting your rookie drafts.
Well, somehow my league hasn't drafted yet either. I agree with the 2nd round assessment - I currently have him at 18 overall/WR10, but would concede that I'm a little bullish.

 
He may even start week one for me which I didn't think possible as I wanted to see him in action first. If healthy I think his floor could be 60 and 700 which is a great year for a rookie, an undrafted one at that.
That floor is way too low, barring injury.
Ack, a floor is the lowest it could be to which 700 is worst case scenario. Lloyd only had 911 yards last season from the same spot and that's about what I think we can expect from Thompkins barring injury/benching.

 
He may even start week one for me which I didn't think possible as I wanted to see him in action first. If healthy I think his floor could be 60 and 700 which is a great year for a rookie, an undrafted one at that.
Looking that way for me. #3 over Denarius Moore, Greg Jennings and Sidney Rice.

 
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