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Based on last night it's pretty obvious this kid is going to catch 2000 yards and finish top 5 WRs. Steal in 3rd round IMO.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I'm just praying he slips to me at the 19th pick in my rookie draft. After sleeping on it, I decided that I just can't pull the trigger on thompkins with the 4th or 5th pick. I can't bare to pass up on a Hopkins, Austin, Patterson, or lacy for him.

Here's hoping!

how about trading up from your 19th pick? highly doubt he lasts that long.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

What is interesting is that his measurables aren't amazing. So the assumption is that he's unusually skilled for his pedigree but not that special an athlete. I'm not convinced he's at much of an athletic disadvantage. But nor do I think that he can't get even better at the craft. He isn't showing Jerry Rice skill just yet, but he isn't looking like a Robiskie type (polished but unfortunately already at peak development) either.

I was going to comment on this a couple days ago, but didn't want to get dragged into an ugly debate. The impression that I've gotten from reading the practice reports is that Thompkins is less of an overwhelming athlete and more of a crafty technician whose route savvy and football IQ are way ahead of the curve.

The concern from that standpoint is that he might already be close to maxed out. A raw athlete can get better at running routes and recognizing coverages, but a savvy technician can't get any bigger of faster. So do the other rookies (who some would say are better pure athletes than Thompkins) eventually surpass him when they catch up in terms of the intangibles? I think it's possible, but that could take years. It's clear that Thompkins is the preferred option for the here and now. 2-3 years down the road, maybe the story looks a lot different.

In terms of comparisons, I'm not seeing Thompkins as another Chad Johnson. Chad was a dynamite athlete despite his combine numbers and a monster big play threat (averaged 20+ yards per catch in his one year at Oregon State). It's early, but Thompkins is looking like more of a TJ Houshmandzadeh kind of guy. A reliable possession target. Not a gamebreaker. And that's odd because he has the body type of a finesse WR (he's on the thin side of the scale). So either he's more explosive than what we've seen so far or he's just kind of a unique guy whose style doesn't quite jive with the conventional molds.

I think you nailed what Thompkins is in the first part. He just finds a way to get open. As important, Brady seems to trust him. The skills he has allow him to play at a faster speed than his measurables would indicate. It's kind of like when a less athletic defensive player is still a strong contributor because he has a real nose for the football.

It's a good time to break it down to the basics and this sums it up. At this point we can drop the round drafted because it's not relevant, as is his 40 time, 3 cone time, vertical jump or anything from the underwear tryouts.

 

[stbugs]

Well after last night, he's officially gone from semi-sleeper to a reach in drafts. Some guppy will take him well before his ADP.

I think most of posting negative stuff on him aren't saying he really isn't playing well, but that if he is going where Josh Gordon and Justin Blackmon are going, along with a bunch of other solid vets, he is becoming overvalued for the risk he has. It seems like some in redraft are putting him potentially as a WR3 if they load up on RBs early. If you already have him slotted to start because of a game that is about polar opposite of most every Pats game will be this year, that is a huge reach.

2 of my 3 leagues are local Charlotte leagues and there are 2 sure players I won't have on my teams, Thompkins and Carolina D. I like them both, but because of the Week 3 magic, they are going to go way before I would think about them. I am more pissed about the Carolina D, because I went to fan fest and followed their draft and saw the 2 new DTs being a huge potential shift from a bad run D to a solid all around D. They looked good in practice getting a lot of push and last night showed how solid their D line could be in run and pash rush against a top 10 OL. With their 3 LBs healthy, they could be really good this year and last night popped that sleeper balloon. The two rookie DTs looked really, really good and they appear to have some depth at DE beyond Hardy and Johnson. If that front 7 has depth and can keep fresh, they could be solid. Facing Atlanta and NO 4 times isn't great, but they look legit and Kuechly looks like the best LB in the NFL.

 

[stbugs]

What is interesting is that his measurables aren't amazing. So the assumption is that he's unusually skilled for his pedigree but not that special an athlete. I'm not convinced he's at much of an athletic disadvantage. But nor do I think that he can't get even better at the craft. He isn't showing Jerry Rice skill just yet, but he isn't looking like a Robiskie type (polished but unfortunately already at peak development) either.

I was going to comment on this a couple days ago, but didn't want to get dragged into an ugly debate. The impression that I've gotten from reading the practice reports is that Thompkins is less of an overwhelming athlete and more of a crafty technician whose route savvy and football IQ are way ahead of the curve.

The concern from that standpoint is that he might already be close to maxed out. A raw athlete can get better at running routes and recognizing coverages, but a savvy technician can't get any bigger of faster. So do the other rookies (who some would say are better pure athletes than Thompkins) eventually surpass him when they catch up in terms of the intangibles? I think it's possible, but that could take years. It's clear that Thompkins is the preferred option for the here and now. 2-3 years down the road, maybe the story looks a lot different.

In terms of comparisons, I'm not seeing Thompkins as another Chad Johnson. Chad was a dynamite athlete despite his combine numbers and a monster big play threat (averaged 20+ yards per catch in his one year at Oregon State). It's early, but Thompkins is looking like more of a TJ Houshmandzadeh kind of guy. A reliable possession target. Not a gamebreaker. And that's odd because he has the body type of a finesse WR (he's on the thin side of the scale). So either he's more explosive than what we've seen so far or he's just kind of a unique guy whose style doesn't quite jive with the conventional molds.

I think you nailed what Thompkins is in the first part. He just finds a way to get open. As important, Brady seems to trust him. The skills he has allow him to play at a faster speed than his measurables would indicate. It's kind of like when a less athletic defensive player is still a strong contributor because he has a real nose for the football.

It's a good time to break it down to the basics and this sums it up. At this point we can drop the round drafted because it's not relevant, as is his 40 time, 3 cone time, vertical jump or anything from the underwear tryouts.

Don't forget the other basics, that Amendola, Gronk and Vereen combined to have one reception. That is the definition of taking things with a grain of salt. Brady sure trusts Gronk and last week it was pretty apparent he also trusts Amendola. I like Thompkins and had him on my radar, but based on this thread, his price tag seems far beyond his risk for FF points.

 

[rickyg]

To everyone saying that thompkins is probably very close to his ceiling of physical talent and has very little room to grow and refine his talents I'm just curious as to where you are gleaning this info from?

He barely played in college and has a checkered past that kept scouts far away from him. The real truth is we have no clue what kenbrell thompkins' ceiling is.

Look at wrs welker. Would you call him more of a physically gifted wr or a wr that relies more on the "technician" part of his game to get himself open? Same with Austin collie before his concussions made minced meat of him. Those guys are/were top tier wrs at their peaks.

Give me a reason why thompkins can't have welker production as his ceiling? Great route runner, great moves, ability to fight the press and get separation, and very sticky hands. Above average run after the catch ability.

Seems to me like his ceiling is way higher than you are giving him credit for and the only reason people are calling his ceiling lower is BC he was not a highly touted draft pick.

 

[We Tigers]

To everyone saying that thompkins is probably very close to his ceiling of physical talent and has very little room to grow and refine his talents I'm just curious as to where you are gleaning this info from?

He barely played in college and has a checkered past that kept scouts far away from him. The real truth is we have no clue what kenbrell thompkins' ceiling is.

Look at wrs welker. Would you call him more of a physically gifted wr or a wr that relies more on the "technician" part of his game to get himself open? Same with Austin collie before his concussions made minced meat of him. Those guys are/were top tier wrs at their peaks.

Give me a reason why thompkins can't have welker production as his ceiling? Great route runner, great moves, ability to fight the read and get separation, and very sticky hands. Above average run after the catch ability.

Seems to me like his ceiling is way higher than you are giving him credit for and the only reason people are calling his ceiling lower is BC he was not a highly touted draft pick.

Well, his age is part of it, as 25 is pretty old to get your start. No, we don't know his ceiling, but he certainly seems "NFL-ready," more based on his play than his measurables. Right now, he reminds me a bit of Tampa Mike Williams coming into the league--good but not dominant size, polished and well-developed for a rookie--but he lacks the clear path to being the #1 receiver that Williams had in 2010. I'm not sure he has the quicks to be a Welker/Collie type player.Not a bad thing at all, and in dynasty I'd be all over him. A good technician is worth an investment even if he doesn't seem to have Andre/AJ/Dez physical gifts and raw potential. However, someone like Dobson could overtake him in a couple years.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I have no idea how he showed so little at 24 years old in college and looks so good now, but I wouldn't fade it. Sometimes #### happens. (c.f. Foster, Arian)

 

[rickyg]

I have no idea how he showed so little at 24 years old in college and looks so good now, but I wouldn't fade it now. Sometimes #### happens. (c.f. Foster, Arian)

Exactly. That's the human aspect of sports. Something clicked for him and the lights flicked on.

If he is that good at consistently getting open he could be a ppr beast for years to come.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Obviously, as a Pats fan, I see things through rose colored glasses. But if you are a starting WR for the Patriots, with Tom Brady tossing the rock, you are going to be productive by default. The Pats ran more offensive plays than any team last year, so having to share the ball shouldn't be too big an issue.

He looks like the real deal, and is a starter. Much like Colston, a seventh round pick did a few years back, he has the potential and opportunity to shine.

Draft him where you think you'll get the best value, but don't over think it guys.

 

[Bronco Billy]

Nobody talks like this. I'm an engineer as well and my school mates and colleagues are all smart guys. Nobody would dream of putting this into dialogue unless they wanted another person to believe they are smarter than they are.

I wasn't my intent to offend you. It's unfortunate that apparently turned out to be the case. I was simply trying to make a statement why some very savvy FF people may be overlooking a guy like Thompkins despite being well plugged in to most other players. For some of them he falls outside their models, and there's a tendancy to resist and be defensive when one thinks their model is very sound and accurate and then a outlier comes along and just doesn't fit.

And as far as what you think I want your opinion to be of me - honestly, I could care less. I'm just here to discuss the viability of Thompkins as a player who can contribute in FF.

 

[squistion]

What is interesting is that his measurables aren't amazing. So the assumption is that he's unusually skilled for his pedigree but not that special an athlete. I'm not convinced he's at much of an athletic disadvantage. But nor do I think that he can't get even better at the craft. He isn't showing Jerry Rice skill just yet, but he isn't looking like a Robiskie type (polished but unfortunately already at peak development) either.

I was going to comment on this a couple days ago, but didn't want to get dragged into an ugly debate. The impression that I've gotten from reading the practice reports is that Thompkins is less of an overwhelming athlete and more of a crafty technician whose route savvy and football IQ are way ahead of the curve.

The concern from that standpoint is that he might already be close to maxed out. A raw athlete can get better at running routes and recognizing coverages, but a savvy technician can't get any bigger of faster. So do the other rookies (who some would say are better pure athletes than Thompkins) eventually surpass him when they catch up in terms of the intangibles? I think it's possible, but that could take years. It's clear that Thompkins is the preferred option for the here and now. 2-3 years down the road, maybe the story looks a lot different.

In terms of comparisons, I'm not seeing Thompkins as another Chad Johnson. Chad was a dynamite athlete despite his combine numbers and a monster big play threat (averaged 20+ yards per catch in his one year at Oregon State). It's early, but Thompkins is looking like more of a TJ Houshmandzadeh kind of guy. A reliable possession target. Not a gamebreaker. And that's odd because he has the body type of a finesse WR (he's on the thin side of the scale). So either he's more explosive than what we've seen so far or he's just kind of a unique guy whose style doesn't quite jive with the conventional molds.

unreal

It isn't for EBF.

 

[lod01]

Obviously, as a Pats fan, I see things through rose colored glasses. But if you are a starting WR for the Patriots, with Tom Brady tossing the rock, you are going to be productive by default. The Pats ran more offensive plays than any team last year, so having to share the ball shouldn't be too big an issue.

He looks like the real deal, and is a starter. Much like Colston, a seventh round pick did a few years back, he has the potential and opportunity to shine.

Draft him where you think you'll get the best value, but don't over think it guys.

PatsFanCT's is the post to read. No one is as up tempo as New England. Opportunity is there. Brady wasn't throwing him the rock last night to see if he's worthy of a roster spot. It was to see if he's worthy of starting. The answer is he will start. A starting WR on NE is gold. If bums like Lloyd can put up 74-911-5, Thompkins can easily. On top of that, Belicheck & Brady are well know for doing things that say 'look what we did'. Thus Thompkins has a chance to put up huge numbers. I'll predict a 1000 yard season.

The only thing that can stop this guy from putting up #'s is a complete meltdown of his skills under the big lights or an injury. He's better than the other WRs. I also totally expect Amendola to get hurt although I hope he doesn't as that then pulls coverage towards Thompkins.

at OG_GF. You are really going to look foolish soon.

 

[We Tigers]

Obviously, as a Pats fan, I see things through rose colored glasses. But if you are a starting WR for the Patriots, with Tom Brady tossing the rock, you are going to be productive by default. The Pats ran more offensive plays than any team last year, so having to share the ball shouldn't be too big an issue.

He looks like the real deal, and is a starter. Much like Colston, a seventh round pick did a few years back, he has the potential and opportunity to shine.

Draft him where you think you'll get the best value, but don't over think it guys.

PatsFanCT's is the post to read. No one is as up tempo as New England. Opportunity is there. Brady wasn't throwing him the rock last night to see if he's worthy of a roster spot. It was to see if he's worthy of starting. The answer is he will start. A starting WR on NE is gold. If bums like Lloyd can put up 74-911-5, Thompkins can easily. On top of that, Belicheck & Brady are well know for doing things that say 'look what we did'. Thus Thompkins has a chance to put up huge numbers. I'll predict a 1000 yard season.

The only thing that can stop this guy from putting up #'s is a complete meltdown of his skills under the big lights or an injury. He's better than the other WRs. I also totally expect Amendola to get hurt although I hope he doesn't as that then pulls coverage towards Thompkins.

at OG_GF. You are really going to look foolish soon.

Actually, Lloyd's 911 yards last season was the most productive year for a Patriots third receiver...well, ever.Gronk 2012 - 790

Hernandez 2011 - 910

Hernandez 2010 - 563

Ben Watson 2009 - 404

Faulk 2008 (with Cassel) - 486

Stallworth 2007 - 697

I know some of these guys missed games, but if you're slotting Thompkins behind Gronk and Amendola and expecting Lloyd's numbers as a *floor*, I think you may have overestimated the focus of the NE passing game.

Assuming Gronk misses about a quarter of the season, I'd draft Thompkins feeling good about something like 60/760 with some scores. At a 10th round or 11th round price, excellent. 8th? Probably not.

 

[Rolling_akg]

Obviously, as a Pats fan, I see things through rose colored glasses. But if you are a starting WR for the Patriots, with Tom Brady tossing the rock, you are going to be productive by default. The Pats ran more offensive plays than any team last year, so having to share the ball shouldn't be too big an issue.

He looks like the real deal, and is a starter. Much like Colston, a seventh round pick did a few years back, he has the potential and opportunity to shine.

Draft him where you think you'll get the best value, but don't over think it guys.

PatsFanCT's is the post to read. No one is as up tempo as New England. Opportunity is there. Brady wasn't throwing him the rock last night to see if he's worthy of a roster spot. It was to see if he's worthy of starting. The answer is he will start. A starting WR on NE is gold. If bums like Lloyd can put up 74-911-5, Thompkins can easily. On top of that, Belicheck & Brady are well know for doing things that say 'look what we did'. Thus Thompkins has a chance to put up huge numbers. I'll predict a 1000 yard season.

The only thing that can stop this guy from putting up #'s is a complete meltdown of his skills under the big lights or an injury. He's better than the other WRs. I also totally expect Amendola to get hurt although I hope he doesn't as that then pulls coverage towards Thompkins.

at OG_GF. You are really going to look foolish soon.

Actually, Lloyd's 911 yards last season was the most productive year for a Patriots third receiver...well, ever.Gronk 2012 - 790

Hernandez 2011 - 910

Hernandez 2010 - 563

Ben Watson 2009 - 404

Faulk 2008 (with Cassel) - 486

Stallworth 2007 - 697

I know some of these guys missed games, but if you're slotting Thompkins behind Gronk and Amendola and expecting Lloyd's numbers as a *floor*, I think you may have overestimated the focus of the NE passing game.

Assuming Gronk misses about a quarter of the season, I'd draft Thompkins feeling good about something like 60/760 with some scores. At a 10th round or 11th round price, excellent. 8th? Probably not.

You're assuming he finishes 3rd in the passing game. Behind two injury prone guys. I feel like its most likely he finishes 2nd in that pass game. And Brady does seem to trust him

 

[Rookie_Whisperer]

I'm gonna make a bold prediction: At least 1 WR for the Jets will have a better year than KT.

Maybe more than 1.

I will take up to $500 of action on that claim, at 1-1. Interested?

Wow, I wish we lived in the same area because I would take you up on that

 

[We Tigers]

Obviously, as a Pats fan, I see things through rose colored glasses. But if you are a starting WR for the Patriots, with Tom Brady tossing the rock, you are going to be productive by default. The Pats ran more offensive plays than any team last year, so having to share the ball shouldn't be too big an issue.

He looks like the real deal, and is a starter. Much like Colston, a seventh round pick did a few years back, he has the potential and opportunity to shine.

Draft him where you think you'll get the best value, but don't over think it guys.

PatsFanCT's is the post to read. No one is as up tempo as New England. Opportunity is there. Brady wasn't throwing him the rock last night to see if he's worthy of a roster spot. It was to see if he's worthy of starting. The answer is he will start. A starting WR on NE is gold. If bums like Lloyd can put up 74-911-5, Thompkins can easily. On top of that, Belicheck & Brady are well know for doing things that say 'look what we did'. Thus Thompkins has a chance to put up huge numbers. I'll predict a 1000 yard season.

The only thing that can stop this guy from putting up #'s is a complete meltdown of his skills under the big lights or an injury. He's better than the other WRs. I also totally expect Amendola to get hurt although I hope he doesn't as that then pulls coverage towards Thompkins.

at OG_GF. You are really going to look foolish soon.

Actually, Lloyd's 911 yards last season was the most productive year for a Patriots third receiver...well, ever.Gronk 2012 - 790

Hernandez 2011 - 910

Hernandez 2010 - 563

Ben Watson 2009 - 404

Faulk 2008 (with Cassel) - 486

Stallworth 2007 - 697

I know some of these guys missed games, but if you're slotting Thompkins behind Gronk and Amendola and expecting Lloyd's numbers as a *floor*, I think you may have overestimated the focus of the NE passing game.

Assuming Gronk misses about a quarter of the season, I'd draft Thompkins feeling good about something like 60/760 with some scores. At a 10th round or 11th round price, excellent. 8th? Probably not.

You're assuming he finishes 3rd in the passing game. Behind two injury prone guys. I feel like its most likely he finishes 2nd in that pass game. And Brady does seem to trust him

Well, okay. If you want to predict injuries, go ahead. If the ankle/foot thing Amendola is dealing with now lasts, then obviously you bump Thompkins. However, there are a lot of late round receivers out there (several have been listed a few posts up) who don't need to rely on injuries to finish as the 1 or 2 receiver on their team.

 

[Rolling_akg]

Obviously, as a Pats fan, I see things through rose colored glasses. But if you are a starting WR for the Patriots, with Tom Brady tossing the rock, you are going to be productive by default. The Pats ran more offensive plays than any team last year, so having to share the ball shouldn't be too big an issue.

He looks like the real deal, and is a starter. Much like Colston, a seventh round pick did a few years back, he has the potential and opportunity to shine.

Draft him where you think you'll get the best value, but don't over think it guys.

PatsFanCT's is the post to read. No one is as up tempo as New England. Opportunity is there. Brady wasn't throwing him the rock last night to see if he's worthy of a roster spot. It was to see if he's worthy of starting. The answer is he will start. A starting WR on NE is gold. If bums like Lloyd can put up 74-911-5, Thompkins can easily. On top of that, Belicheck & Brady are well know for doing things that say 'look what we did'. Thus Thompkins has a chance to put up huge numbers. I'll predict a 1000 yard season.

The only thing that can stop this guy from putting up #'s is a complete meltdown of his skills under the big lights or an injury. He's better than the other WRs. I also totally expect Amendola to get hurt although I hope he doesn't as that then pulls coverage towards Thompkins.

at OG_GF. You are really going to look foolish soon.

Actually, Lloyd's 911 yards last season was the most productive year for a Patriots third receiver...well, ever.Gronk 2012 - 790

Hernandez 2011 - 910

Hernandez 2010 - 563

Ben Watson 2009 - 404

Faulk 2008 (with Cassel) - 486

Stallworth 2007 - 697

I know some of these guys missed games, but if you're slotting Thompkins behind Gronk and Amendola and expecting Lloyd's numbers as a *floor*, I think you may have overestimated the focus of the NE passing game.

Assuming Gronk misses about a quarter of the season, I'd draft Thompkins feeling good about something like 60/760 with some scores. At a 10th round or 11th round price, excellent. 8th? Probably not.

You're assuming he finishes 3rd in the passing game. Behind two injury prone guys. I feel like its most likely he finishes 2nd in that pass game. And Brady does seem to trust him

Well, okay. If you want to predict injuries, go ahead. If the ankle/foot thing Amendola is dealing with now lasts, then obviously you bump Thompkins. However, there are a lot of late round receivers out there (several have been listed a few posts up) who don't need to rely on injuries to finish as the 1 or 2 receiver on their team.

Yeah predicting injuries is sticky, but these are current injuries. I think his volume of snaps will lead to production.

 

[valhallan]

Went 15th in a PPR rookie draft last night.

 

[JamesTheScot]

To everyone saying that thompkins is probably very close to his ceiling of physical talent and has very little room to grow and refine his talents I'm just curious as to where you are gleaning this info from?

He barely played in college and has a checkered past that kept scouts far away from him. The real truth is we have no clue what kenbrell thompkins' ceiling is.

Look at wrs welker. Would you call him more of a physically gifted wr or a wr that relies more on the "technician" part of his game to get himself open? Same with Austin collie before his concussions made minced meat of him. Those guys are/were top tier wrs at their peaks.

Give me a reason why thompkins can't have welker production as his ceiling? Great route runner, great moves, ability to fight the press and get separation, and very sticky hands. Above average run after the catch ability.

Seems to me like his ceiling is way higher than you are giving him credit for and the only reason people are calling his ceiling lower is BC he was not a highly touted draft pick.

The "peaked already" argument is the last bastion of those that missed the call but don't want to admit they did.

Apparently his functional strength off the line, his functional speed in and out of breaks, the body control, the physicality, the hands, etc. aren't real talent. Talent is apparently limited to timed track speeds and verticals in controlled environments. Thus anyone with a faster forty time or better vertical or better height is a superior athlete. Ramses Barden, by this measure, is a superior athlete and thus a better prospect.

Not to mention that speed is something that can be improved upon, so that's a bit of a false premise anyway. And while it's true that he won't get any taller, people are ga-ga over Antonio Brown, T.Y. Hilton, Markus Wheaton, et al none of whom can look eye to eye with Thompkins. So then while height certainly is an advantage, average height isn't the detriment that some pretend.

And it doesn't mean a whole lot even if his separation skills are near maxed. He getting separation against starting NFL DB's right now and Brady can fit it into the window that Thompkins is giving him. Are we going to say he won't be successful down the road because he's got to start beating people by 3 feet instead of 1? Are the DB's he's beating now going to magically increase their athleticism in 2014 so as to shut those windows?

A season of familiarity with the offense and Brady's tendencies can mean Thompkins ver.2014 will be better than Thompkins ver.2013. The difference in a Robiskie and Thompkins is that Robiskie's polish was overestimated in it's effectiveness from the get go. He wasn't ever able to get separation in the NFL. Thompkin's polish wasn't expected to be effective but is. That's a huge difference.

An UDFA isn't supposed to be able to do what Thompkins is doing. But he is and it isn't some gimmick. He's doing it on film, in games, under the big lights, against NFL starters. Everyone else in the world can see it. I'm not sure why some on here can't. At some point you just have to start saying that he's different and he's one that may be able to beat the odds. The old rules aren't 100% predictive.

 

[PatsFanCT]

To everyone saying that thompkins is probably very close to his ceiling of physical talent and has very little room to grow and refine his talents I'm just curious as to where you are gleaning this info from?

He barely played in college and has a checkered past that kept scouts far away from him. The real truth is we have no clue what kenbrell thompkins' ceiling is.

Look at wrs welker. Would you call him more of a physically gifted wr or a wr that relies more on the "technician" part of his game to get himself open? Same with Austin collie before his concussions made minced meat of him. Those guys are/were top tier wrs at their peaks.

Give me a reason why thompkins can't have welker production as his ceiling? Great route runner, great moves, ability to fight the press and get separation, and very sticky hands. Above average run after the catch ability.

Seems to me like his ceiling is way higher than you are giving him credit for and the only reason people are calling his ceiling lower is BC he was not a highly touted draft pick.

The "peaked already" argument is the last bastion of those that missed the call but don't want to admit they did.

Apparently his functional strength off the line, his functional speed in and out of breaks, the body control, the physicality, the hands, etc. aren't real talent. Talent is apparently limited to timed track speeds and verticals in controlled environments. Thus anyone with a faster forty time or better vertical or better height is a superior athlete. Ramses Barden, by this measure, is a superior athlete and thus a better prospect.

Not to mention that speed is something that can be improved upon, so that's a bit of a false premise anyway. And while it's true that he won't get any taller, people are ga-ga over Antonio Brown, T.Y. Hilton, Markus Wheaton, et al none of whom can look eye to eye with Thompkins. So then while height certainly is an advantage, average height isn't the detriment that some pretend.

And it doesn't mean a whole lot even if his separation skills are near maxed. He getting separation against starting NFL DB's right now and Brady can fit it into the window that Thompkins is giving him. Are we going to say he won't be successful down the road because he's got to start beating people by 3 feet instead of 1? Are the DB's he's beating now going to magically increase their athleticism in 2014 so as to shut those windows?

A season of familiarity with the offense and Brady's tendencies can mean Thompkins ver.2014 will be better than Thompkins ver.2013. The difference in a Robiskie and Thompkins is that Robiskie's polish was overestimated in it's effectiveness from the get go. He wasn't ever able to get separation in the NFL. Thompkin's polish wasn't expected to be effective but is. That's a huge difference.

An UDFA isn't supposed to be able to do what Thompkins is doing. But he is and it isn't some gimmick. He's doing it on film, in games, under the big lights, against NFL starters. Everyone else in the world can see it. I'm not sure why some on here can't. At some point you just have to start saying that he's different and he's one that may be able to beat the odds. The old rules aren't 100% predictive.

 

[stbugs]

To everyone saying that thompkins is probably very close to his ceiling of physical talent and has very little room to grow and refine his talents I'm just curious as to where you are gleaning this info from?

He barely played in college and has a checkered past that kept scouts far away from him. The real truth is we have no clue what kenbrell thompkins' ceiling is.

Look at wrs welker. Would you call him more of a physically gifted wr or a wr that relies more on the "technician" part of his game to get himself open? Same with Austin collie before his concussions made minced meat of him. Those guys are/were top tier wrs at their peaks.

Give me a reason why thompkins can't have welker production as his ceiling? Great route runner, great moves, ability to fight the press and get separation, and very sticky hands. Above average run after the catch ability.

Seems to me like his ceiling is way higher than you are giving him credit for and the only reason people are calling his ceiling lower is BC he was not a highly touted draft pick.

The "peaked already" argument is the last bastion of those that missed the call but don't want to admit they did.

Apparently his functional strength off the line, his functional speed in and out of breaks, the body control, the physicality, the hands, etc. aren't real talent. Talent is apparently limited to timed track speeds and verticals in controlled environments. Thus anyone with a faster forty time or better vertical or better height is a superior athlete. Ramses Barden, by this measure, is a superior athlete and thus a better prospect.

Not to mention that speed is something that can be improved upon, so that's a bit of a false premise anyway. And while it's true that he won't get any taller, people are ga-ga over Antonio Brown, T.Y. Hilton, Markus Wheaton, et al none of whom can look eye to eye with Thompkins. So then while height certainly is an advantage, average height isn't the detriment that some pretend.

And it doesn't mean a whole lot even if his separation skills are near maxed. He getting separation against starting NFL DB's right now and Brady can fit it into the window that Thompkins is giving him. Are we going to say he won't be successful down the road because he's got to start beating people by 3 feet instead of 1? Are the DB's he's beating now going to magically increase their athleticism in 2014 so as to shut those windows?

A season of familiarity with the offense and Brady's tendencies can mean Thompkins ver.2014 will be better than Thompkins ver.2013. The difference in a Robiskie and Thompkins is that Robiskie's polish was overestimated in it's effectiveness from the get go. He wasn't ever able to get separation in the NFL. Thompkin's polish wasn't expected to be effective but is. That's a huge difference.

An UDFA isn't supposed to be able to do what Thompkins is doing. But he is and it isn't some gimmick. He's doing it on film, in games, under the big lights, against NFL starters. Everyone else in the world can see it. I'm not sure why some on here can't. At some point you just have to start saying that he's different and he's one that may be able to beat the odds. The old rules aren't 100% predictive.

I agree with both of you, but it was still one game with a lot of people out and benched. Saying he has hit his limits is crazy as well. The chance of him being a Colston or Foster or Brady is very, very slim and it wouldn't surprise me to see him end up as the 4th best receiver behind Amendola, Gronk and Vereen. That said, to say he can't improve and become a top WR is also crazy considering he has outplayed a lot of higher draft picks. I just don't look at last night as confirmation that he has arrived. If everyone was healthy and playing and he did that, that would tell me a lot more, especially since he was 4-23 in week 1 and 1-3 in week 2.

 

[buck naked]

To everyone saying that thompkins is probably very close to his ceiling of physical talent and has very little room to grow and refine his talents I'm just curious as to where you are gleaning this info from?

He barely played in college and has a checkered past that kept scouts far away from him. The real truth is we have no clue what kenbrell thompkins' ceiling is.

Look at wrs welker. Would you call him more of a physically gifted wr or a wr that relies more on the "technician" part of his game to get himself open? Same with Austin collie before his concussions made minced meat of him. Those guys are/were top tier wrs at their peaks.

Give me a reason why thompkins can't have welker production as his ceiling? Great route runner, great moves, ability to fight the press and get separation, and very sticky hands. Above average run after the catch ability.

Seems to me like his ceiling is way higher than you are giving him credit for and the only reason people are calling his ceiling lower is BC he was not a highly touted draft pick.

The "peaked already" argument is the last bastion of those that missed the call but don't want to admit they did.

Apparently his functional strength off the line, his functional speed in and out of breaks, the body control, the physicality, the hands, etc. aren't real talent. Talent is apparently limited to timed track speeds and verticals in controlled environments. Thus anyone with a faster forty time or better vertical or better height is a superior athlete. Ramses Barden, by this measure, is a superior athlete and thus a better prospect.

Not to mention that speed is something that can be improved upon, so that's a bit of a false premise anyway. And while it's true that he won't get any taller, people are ga-ga over Antonio Brown, T.Y. Hilton, Markus Wheaton, et al none of whom can look eye to eye with Thompkins. So then while height certainly is an advantage, average height isn't the detriment that some pretend.

And it doesn't mean a whole lot even if his separation skills are near maxed. He getting separation against starting NFL DB's right now and Brady can fit it into the window that Thompkins is giving him. Are we going to say he won't be successful down the road because he's got to start beating people by 3 feet instead of 1? Are the DB's he's beating now going to magically increase their athleticism in 2014 so as to shut those windows?

A season of familiarity with the offense and Brady's tendencies can mean Thompkins ver.2014 will be better than Thompkins ver.2013. The difference in a Robiskie and Thompkins is that Robiskie's polish was overestimated in it's effectiveness from the get go. He wasn't ever able to get separation in the NFL. Thompkin's polish wasn't expected to be effective but is. That's a huge difference.

An UDFA isn't supposed to be able to do what Thompkins is doing. But he is and it isn't some gimmick. He's doing it on film, in games, under the big lights, against NFL starters. Everyone else in the world can see it. I'm not sure why some on here can't. At some point you just have to start saying that he's different and he's one that may be able to beat the odds. The old rules aren't 100% predictive.

Agreed. If Thompkins had been the 2nd round pick rather than Dobson, we wouldn't be having this conversation. The fantasy community would be abuzz with how good Thompkins is for a rookie and that he should be drafted in the 7-8 round area.

People have a hard time believing and accepting that an UFA could be starting for the Patriots when two other WR's were drafted instead of him. We all have our opinions and perceptions, and those are hard to change or give up. We don't like to believe that maybe we were wrong for picking Boyce or Dobson in our dynasty leagues and pegging one of them as the breakout player rather than some unknown player from Cincinnati with average measurables and stats.

 

[JamesTheScot]

I'm just praying he slips to me at the 19th pick in my rookie draft. After sleeping on it, I decided that I just can't pull the trigger on thompkins with the 4th or 5th pick. I can't bare to pass up on a Hopkins, Austin, Patterson, or lacy for him.

Here's hoping!

I think that is a good decision, especially in dynasty. Thompkins could be OK in PPR, but it is outlandish to think that next year or even later this year the other higher draft pick WRs "get it" and outplay Thompkins? I think that is a risk high enough that taking Thompkins over some guys with really high potential could be a horrible mistake a couple years from now. If 8-116 with no TDs is Thompkins ceiling in a 40-9 blowout where the top 3 receivers on the Pats (Amendola, Gronk and Vereen) get 1 reception, that is a big risk. The guys you listed are guys who could bust, but who could also end up as top 10 guys over their careers.

I agree in that I wouldn't take him at 5.

But you are over analyzing the stats in these preseason games. What to glean from the games then? He's starting. He knows how to beat press coverage AND knows how to exploit off coverage. <----- This is significant. And he seems to be on the same page as his QB in terms of anticipation. <------- Also very significant. And he's versatile in terms of the positions he can play.

His TD ratio is meaningless in these games. The sample size is small and the play calling is artificial. However, the ability to get separation just off the LOS isn't meaningless, nor is his physicality when making the contested catch. He isn't the tallest WR on the team, but he's listed at 6'1" though I've heard him called an even 6'. There's nothing there to cause concern about his red zone opportunities outside of Gronk's presence. If the height and physicality are concerns, it would make more sense to pull Amendola, who is shorter, for Dobson that it would Thompkins.

 

[Stealthycat]

Amendola comes back

Grok comes back

Dobson excels

WR Thomkins is a distant pre-season memory by week 4. So is Sudfeld BTW

 

[stbugs]

To everyone saying that thompkins is probably very close to his ceiling of physical talent and has very little room to grow and refine his talents I'm just curious as to where you are gleaning this info from?

He barely played in college and has a checkered past that kept scouts far away from him. The real truth is we have no clue what kenbrell thompkins' ceiling is.

Look at wrs welker. Would you call him more of a physically gifted wr or a wr that relies more on the "technician" part of his game to get himself open? Same with Austin collie before his concussions made minced meat of him. Those guys are/were top tier wrs at their peaks.

Give me a reason why thompkins can't have welker production as his ceiling? Great route runner, great moves, ability to fight the press and get separation, and very sticky hands. Above average run after the catch ability.

Seems to me like his ceiling is way higher than you are giving him credit for and the only reason people are calling his ceiling lower is BC he was not a highly touted draft pick.

The "peaked already" argument is the last bastion of those that missed the call but don't want to admit they did.

Apparently his functional strength off the line, his functional speed in and out of breaks, the body control, the physicality, the hands, etc. aren't real talent. Talent is apparently limited to timed track speeds and verticals in controlled environments. Thus anyone with a faster forty time or better vertical or better height is a superior athlete. Ramses Barden, by this measure, is a superior athlete and thus a better prospect.

Not to mention that speed is something that can be improved upon, so that's a bit of a false premise anyway. And while it's true that he won't get any taller, people are ga-ga over Antonio Brown, T.Y. Hilton, Markus Wheaton, et al none of whom can look eye to eye with Thompkins. So then while height certainly is an advantage, average height isn't the detriment that some pretend.

And it doesn't mean a whole lot even if his separation skills are near maxed. He getting separation against starting NFL DB's right now and Brady can fit it into the window that Thompkins is giving him. Are we going to say he won't be successful down the road because he's got to start beating people by 3 feet instead of 1? Are the DB's he's beating now going to magically increase their athleticism in 2014 so as to shut those windows?

A season of familiarity with the offense and Brady's tendencies can mean Thompkins ver.2014 will be better than Thompkins ver.2013. The difference in a Robiskie and Thompkins is that Robiskie's polish was overestimated in it's effectiveness from the get go. He wasn't ever able to get separation in the NFL. Thompkin's polish wasn't expected to be effective but is. That's a huge difference.

An UDFA isn't supposed to be able to do what Thompkins is doing. But he is and it isn't some gimmick. He's doing it on film, in games, under the big lights, against NFL starters. Everyone else in the world can see it. I'm not sure why some on here can't. At some point you just have to start saying that he's different and he's one that may be able to beat the odds. The old rules aren't 100% predictive.

Agreed. If Thompkins had been the 2nd round pick rather than Dobson, we wouldn't be having this conversation. The fantasy community would be abuzz with how good Thompkins is for a rookie and that he should be drafted in the 7-8 round area.

People have a hard time believing and accepting that an UFA could be starting for the Patriots when two other WR's were drafted instead of him. We all have our opinions and perceptions, and those are hard to change or give up. We don't like to believe that maybe we were wrong for picking Boyce or Dobson in our dynasty leagues and pegging one of them as the breakout player rather than some unknown player from Cincinnati with average measurables and stats.

That's entirely possible for others. I have drafted a few guys like Colston before in keeper leagues and had no trouble at all starting them their first season. I have no problem with him starting. My concern is that he is going to go higher than he should. Based on last week with Amendola playing, KT was clearly not the top target and finished 1-3. This week was kind of a perfect storm for KT and that is why I worry about the buzz. Look at Sudfeld buzz last week. Sort of died down after this week, huh? After last week Sudfeld was becoming Aaron Hernandez.

 

[Abspara]

Amendola comes back

Grok comes back

Dobson excels

WR Thomkins is a distant pre-season memory by week 4. So is Sudfeld BTW

I believe in an alternate scenario:

Amendola gets injured falling down as he's done time and time before. He's the most injury prone player in the NFL. Heck, he's currently out right now for something and the seasons not even started.

Gronk continues to be injury prone. He misses games every year.

Dobson struggles to get to his spot and gets benched for allowing ANOTHER INT.

Who's that leave? think about that for a bit.

This is a game of upside, and Thompkins has plenty of it at this time.

 

[PatsFanCT]

To everyone saying that thompkins is probably very close to his ceiling of physical talent and has very little room to grow and refine his talents I'm just curious as to where you are gleaning this info from?

He barely played in college and has a checkered past that kept scouts far away from him. The real truth is we have no clue what kenbrell thompkins' ceiling is.

Look at wrs welker. Would you call him more of a physically gifted wr or a wr that relies more on the "technician" part of his game to get himself open? Same with Austin collie before his concussions made minced meat of him. Those guys are/were top tier wrs at their peaks.

Give me a reason why thompkins can't have welker production as his ceiling? Great route runner, great moves, ability to fight the press and get separation, and very sticky hands. Above average run after the catch ability.

Seems to me like his ceiling is way higher than you are giving him credit for and the only reason people are calling his ceiling lower is BC he was not a highly touted draft pick.

The "peaked already" argument is the last bastion of those that missed the call but don't want to admit they did.

Apparently his functional strength off the line, his functional speed in and out of breaks, the body control, the physicality, the hands, etc. aren't real talent. Talent is apparently limited to timed track speeds and verticals in controlled environments. Thus anyone with a faster forty time or better vertical or better height is a superior athlete. Ramses Barden, by this measure, is a superior athlete and thus a better prospect.

Not to mention that speed is something that can be improved upon, so that's a bit of a false premise anyway. And while it's true that he won't get any taller, people are ga-ga over Antonio Brown, T.Y. Hilton, Markus Wheaton, et al none of whom can look eye to eye with Thompkins. So then while height certainly is an advantage, average height isn't the detriment that some pretend.

And it doesn't mean a whole lot even if his separation skills are near maxed. He getting separation against starting NFL DB's right now and Brady can fit it into the window that Thompkins is giving him. Are we going to say he won't be successful down the road because he's got to start beating people by 3 feet instead of 1? Are the DB's he's beating now going to magically increase their athleticism in 2014 so as to shut those windows?

A season of familiarity with the offense and Brady's tendencies can mean Thompkins ver.2014 will be better than Thompkins ver.2013. The difference in a Robiskie and Thompkins is that Robiskie's polish was overestimated in it's effectiveness from the get go. He wasn't ever able to get separation in the NFL. Thompkin's polish wasn't expected to be effective but is. That's a huge difference.

An UDFA isn't supposed to be able to do what Thompkins is doing. But he is and it isn't some gimmick. He's doing it on film, in games, under the big lights, against NFL starters. Everyone else in the world can see it. I'm not sure why some on here can't. At some point you just have to start saying that he's different and he's one that may be able to beat the odds. The old rules aren't 100% predictive.

Agreed. If Thompkins had been the 2nd round pick rather than Dobson, we wouldn't be having this conversation. The fantasy community would be abuzz with how good Thompkins is for a rookie and that he should be drafted in the 7-8 round area.

People have a hard time believing and accepting that an UFA could be starting for the Patriots when two other WR's were drafted instead of him. We all have our opinions and perceptions, and those are hard to change or give up. We don't like to believe that maybe we were wrong for picking Boyce or Dobson in our dynasty leagues and pegging one of them as the breakout player rather than some unknown player from Cincinnati with average measurables and stats.

That's entirely possible for others. I have drafted a few guys like Colston before in keeper leagues and had no trouble at all starting them their first season. I have no problem with him starting. My concern is that he is going to go higher than he should. Based on last week with Amendola playing, KT was clearly not the top target and finished 1-3. This week was kind of a perfect storm for KT and that is why I worry about the buzz. Look at Sudfeld buzz last week. Sort of died down after this week, huh? After last week Sudfeld was becoming Aaron Hernandez.

Well, to be fair, Sudfeld was benched after his fumble. There's no telling how good of a game he could have had, but he got open and made a great catch before fumbling.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Amendola comes back

Grok comes back

Dobson excels

WR Thomkins is a distant pre-season memory by week 4. So is Sudfeld BTW

Amendola and Gronk will come back, but what are you basing your Dobson prediction on? KT has made him look silly all through camp.

If KT can keep getting open, he will keep getting passes thrown his way.

 

[stbugs]

I'm just praying he slips to me at the 19th pick in my rookie draft. After sleeping on it, I decided that I just can't pull the trigger on thompkins with the 4th or 5th pick. I can't bare to pass up on a Hopkins, Austin, Patterson, or lacy for him.

Here's hoping!

I think that is a good decision, especially in dynasty. Thompkins could be OK in PPR, but it is outlandish to think that next year or even later this year the other higher draft pick WRs "get it" and outplay Thompkins? I think that is a risk high enough that taking Thompkins over some guys with really high potential could be a horrible mistake a couple years from now. If 8-116 with no TDs is Thompkins ceiling in a 40-9 blowout where the top 3 receivers on the Pats (Amendola, Gronk and Vereen) get 1 reception, that is a big risk. The guys you listed are guys who could bust, but who could also end up as top 10 guys over their careers.

I agree in that I wouldn't take him at 5.

But you are over analyzing the stats in these preseason games. What to glean from the games then? He's starting. He knows how to beat press coverage AND knows how to exploit off coverage. <----- This is significant. And he seems to be on the same page as his QB in terms of anticipation. <------- Also very significant. And he's versatile in terms of the positions he can play.

His TD ratio is meaningless in these games. The sample size is small and the play calling is artificial. However, the ability to get separation just off the LOS isn't meaningless, nor is his physicality when making the contested catch. He isn't the tallest WR on the team, but he's listed at 6'1" though I've heard him called an even 6'. There's nothing there to cause concern about his red zone opportunities outside of Gronk's presence. If the height and physicality are concerns, it would make more sense to pull Amendola, who is shorter, for Dobson that it would Thompkins.

I'm trying to not overanalyze them, but you have to use them to a degree to make a draft decision. He was on my sleeper list before last night, but after last night I think he is overvalued. The thought of taking him 4th or 5th in rookie drafts says as much. I didn't watch the game, but I believe you that he looked solid. That doesn't mean I want to see more to take him as early as I think he will now go in dynasty and redraft. If Amendola was playing, then his stat line would have impressed me more. If Vereen wasn't benched or Gronk was healthy same thing.

 

[Phantom Knight]

If it were a team other than the Patriots I might be more inclined to think this translates throughout the season. THey have so many issues they are trying to resolve with players that I think they simply are still working through it and the secondary coverage by the Lions last night wasn't what I would call a great litmus test.

I am completely reading tea leaves in this as I follow the Patriots through this but it seems to me that KT is what he is already and thats it and he's more ready right now than guys like DObson but that the team probably thinks some of the other guys can evolve to be more. As an example, when I watch Dobson (and I admit up front, I've been a Dobson guy from the beginning so this is likely biased), I don't see Dobson as polished today, but I see him flash glimmers of things that I doubt KT can do. I can see Dobson coming along and being more refined and developing into a threat at all points on the field with his size, speed, hands, and tat quirky knack for making odd-angled catches.

I agree with this as well as with other have said.

I play strictly dynasty/keeper leagues, so that affects my likes a good bit. However, if I played In redraft, I would pick KT before the other two rookies wrs.

In keeper/dynasty, if I needed someone to play this season, KT would edge out Dobson though with chagrin. If I could afford to sit the player on the bench, I'd definitely take Dobson over KT as I think he has more upside long term. I'd draft KT before Boyce in any format today. But I'd have my eye on Boyce looking for any sign of life and he to pick up.

Moving to compare NE wrs to other teams' wrs.... yes NE is prolific. However, with the number of weapons they have (and I *am* counting, the 3 rookies and possibly the rookie TE), with the team's ability and propensity to scheme for individual teams, I really worry about consistency from any of their wrs not playing the "Welker" role. At the end of the day, I would end up picking players that I valued similarly from a talent standpoint higher than KT or Dobson if I thought they'd be more consistent producers. For that reason, KT will probably not end up on any of my teams, someone will grab him before I would due to the current hype. Dobson has more chance of ending up on my roster on drafts I still have this year. Boyce I probably will not draft, but he probably will be available on the waiver wire in all my leagues and will be on speed dial.

 

[Stealthycat]

"Who's that leave? think about that for a bit."

a super running game, TE's, Edelman, Dobson and several other WR's and .......

TEBOW BABY !!

 

[pantherclub]

Its threads like this one and the input from homers that make this board really special sometimes.

Thanks to input from various guys Thompkins is on our radar now.

 

[buck naked]

Its threads like this one and the input from homers that make this board really special sometimes.

Thanks to input from various guys Thompkins is on our radar now.

That is definitely true. Sometimes it was difficult to weed through non-factual information and bickering, but when I did there were some good info nuggets early on.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Well after last night, he's officially gone from semi-sleeper to a reach in drafts. Some guppy will take him well before his ADP.

I think most of posting negative stuff on him aren't saying he really isn't playing well, but that if he is going where Josh Gordon and Justin Blackmon are going, along with a bunch of other solid vets, he is becoming overvalued for the risk he has. It seems like some in redraft are putting him potentially as a WR3 if they load up on RBs early. If you already have him slotted to start because of a game that is about polar opposite of most every Pats game will be this year, that is a huge reach..

He wont be going anywhere near that high though, at least not consistently (of course some dumb### will reach in 5% of drafts). A few people in here are just still high off the vapors from last night and thinking for some reason the masses that never heard of Kendrell Hopkins before this weeks games will be taking him then. His ADP will move up a little, but lets not get crazy here.

And again, the fact that he played on Thursday this week only helps. Were a few minutes away from him no longer being the hot topic.

 

[Raider Nation]

A few people in here are just still high off the vapors from last night and thinking for some reason the masses that never heard of Kendrell Hopkins before this weeks games will be taking him then.

Hell, I've still never heard of Kendrell Hopkins.

 

[mzkp54]

Curious- what round 2014 pick would you give for him right now?

 

[Kenny Powers]

A few people in here are just still high off the vapors from last night and thinking for some reason the masses that never heard of Kendrell Hopkins before this weeks games will be taking him then.

Hell, I've still never heard of Kendrell Hopkins.

Well watch out then, K-Hop seems to be going in the first 10 rounds these days

 

[Raider Nation]

Anyone who has had drafts in the past couple of days, or has one in the next few days, please let us know where he is going. I'm equally interested in redrafts and keeper leagues.

 

[ShaHBucks]

He reminds me of Jason Avant.

 

[opensourcebeer]

Anyone who has had drafts in the past couple of days, or has one in the next few days, please let us know where he is going. I'm equally interested in redrafts and keeper leagues.

On 8/13, pick 11.01 in a 12 team dynasty ppr startup, best ball format.

 

[Bri]

From what I can gather doing a little digging and texting, he's been FF team's 5th WR in drafts recently.

I think that's OK.

What do you guys think?

Seems fine on a risk/reward basis IMO.

 

[Raider Nation]

Nathan Zegura had one of the Pats' beat writers on his Sirius/XM show today. This guy is with the team day in and day out. (Can't remember his name -- I apologize). Nathan asked him if it was realistic for Thompkins to be the #2 receiver when Amendola plays. This guy said that not only is it reasonable, but he gives him a good shot of being Brady's #1 WR even when Amendola plays.

High praise.

 

[ponchsox]

From what I can gather doing a little digging and texting, he's been FF team's 5th WR in drafts recently.

I think that's OK.

What do you guys think?

Seems fine on a risk/reward basis IMO.

Took him as my WR5 in the 12th round tonight, 12 team draft.

 

[dkocourek]

A few people in here are just still high off the vapors from last night and thinking for some reason the masses that never heard of Kendrell Hopkins before this weeks games will be taking him then.

Hell, I've still never heard of Kendrell Hopkins.

Well watch out then, K-Hop seems to be going in the first 10 rounds these days

He went 9.7 in my FPC draft tonight.

 

[Bri]

Look at your history. Look at what Terrell Owens did in preseason as a rookie, and then look at his rookie year. It's not that great, when you compare it to what he did in pre-season.

I like Thompkins. I want to draft him, late. Prolly wont happen now, but I will let my opponent take the risk, while I draft a more proven wide out.

If he falls past the 10th round, which I highly doubt ... he's on my list.

In the ballpark of 8th-10th who do you like better?http://football.myfantasyleague.com/2013/adp?COUNT=250&POS=WR&CUTOFF=5&FRANCHISES=-1&IS_PPR=-1&IS_KEEPER=0&IS_MOCK=-1&TIME=

I'll play, too:Josh Gordon

Mike Williams

Kenny Britt

Chris Givens

Vincent Brown

Golden Tate

Those are the guys I would definitely take over Thompkins in the 8th-10th. I might also consider Broyles, Michael Floyd, Hopkins, Sanders, Hartline, and Rueben Randle, but I would put Thompkins in that mix, as they'd be similarly speculative picks. I'd consider Blackmon, too, depending on how deep my WRs were to that point.

Gordon would most definitely be on my list as well. In that link in PPR he is at 81, so just before my cutoff. I think that shows you how overrated Thompkins has become due to a "not normal" game for the Patriots. They don't normally lose 40-9. They don't normally have their #1 WR and #1 TE out. They don't normally average 2ypc rushing. They don't normally turn the ball over 4 times in the first 19 minutes of a game.

I actually like Thompkins, but if he is going in the 8th round, I just don't see any chance of getting him. I looked at all 3 games, 4-23, 1-3 and 8-116. He has had one target in 3 games from Mallett at the 8 yard line that was inside of the 10. He had one target at the 21 and one at the 19 and was 0-3 in those red-zone attempts. Also, that one attempt from the 8 was last night with Amendola and Gronk out. Is he a legitimate TD candidate? He is averaging less than 11 ypr (8.75ypr plus one 37 yarder), so if he is just a posession type receiver with a low ypr, he is going to need a ton of receptions to be relevant and in a game where Vereen + Gronk + Amendola get 1 reception combined, I would be real worried about him being way overvalued.

Interesting point re-redzone catches.

The counter-argument to Gronk, Amendola, and even Vereen getting all these passes is they will also warrant the defenses attention moreso than KT.

I don't like the "possession WR" label because he's curiously compared to Ocho quite often. It's odd so many say the same comparison.

Anyhow, I agree 8th is too early but not by much. I like the tenth round for him especially relative to his peers that are drafted then. We aren't talking about sure-bets for production but probable/hopeful types at this point.

 

[Banger]

Look at your history. Look at what Terrell Owens did in preseason as a rookie, and then look at his rookie year. It's not that great, when you compare it to what he did in pre-season.

I like Thompkins. I want to draft him, late. Prolly wont happen now, but I will let my opponent take the risk, while I draft a more proven wide out.

If he falls past the 10th round, which I highly doubt ... he's on my list.

In the ballpark of 8th-10th who do you like better?http://football.myfantasyleague.com/2013/adp?COUNT=250&POS=WR&CUTOFF=5&FRANCHISES=-1&IS_PPR=-1&IS_KEEPER=0&IS_MOCK=-1&TIME=

I'll play, too:Josh Gordon

Mike Williams

Kenny Britt

Chris Givens

Vincent Brown

Golden Tate

Those are the guys I would definitely take over Thompkins in the 8th-10th. I might also consider Broyles, Michael Floyd, Hopkins, Sanders, Hartline, and Rueben Randle, but I would put Thompkins in that mix, as they'd be similarly speculative picks. I'd consider Blackmon, too, depending on how deep my WRs were to that point.

Gordon would most definitely be on my list as well. In that link in PPR he is at 81, so just before my cutoff. I think that shows you how overrated Thompkins has become due to a "not normal" game for the Patriots. They don't normally lose 40-9. They don't normally have their #1 WR and #1 TE out. They don't normally average 2ypc rushing. They don't normally turn the ball over 4 times in the first 19 minutes of a game.I actually like Thompkins, but if he is going in the 8th round, I just don't see any chance of getting him. I looked at all 3 games, 4-23, 1-3 and 8-116. He has had one target in 3 games from Mallett at the 8 yard line that was inside of the 10. He had one target at the 21 and one at the 19 and was 0-3 in those red-zone attempts. Also, that one attempt from the 8 was last night with Amendola and Gronk out. Is he a legitimate TD candidate? He is averaging less than 11 ypr (8.75ypr plus one 37 yarder), so if he is just a posession type receiver with a low ypr, he is going to need a ton of receptions to be relevant and in a game where Vereen + Gronk + Amendola get 1 reception combined, I would be real worried about him being way overvalued.

Interesting point re-redzone catches. The counter-argument to Gronk, Amendola, and even Vereen getting all these passes is they will also warrant the defenses attention moreso than KT.

I don't like the "possession WR" label because he's curiously compared to Ocho quite often. It's odd so many say the same comparison.

Anyhow, I agree 8th is too early but not by much. I like the tenth round for him especially relative to his peers that are drafted then. We aren't talking about sure-bets for production but probable/hopeful types at this point.

Don't over think this with respect to red zone targets or anything like that. He hasn't played the equivalent of one NFL game. They don't know what they have so they showcased him to likely see how he reacts. He came through with flying colors and this offense is up in the air depending on how good the wr corp is.

 

[Bri]

Look at your history. Look at what Terrell Owens did in preseason as a rookie, and then look at his rookie year. It's not that great, when you compare it to what he did in pre-season.

I like Thompkins. I want to draft him, late. Prolly wont happen now, but I will let my opponent take the risk, while I draft a more proven wide out.

If he falls past the 10th round, which I highly doubt ... he's on my list.

In the ballpark of 8th-10th who do you like better?http://football.myfantasyleague.com/2013/adp?COUNT=250&POS=WR&CUTOFF=5&FRANCHISES=-1&IS_PPR=-1&IS_KEEPER=0&IS_MOCK=-1&TIME=

I'll play, too:Josh Gordon

Mike Williams

Kenny Britt

Chris Givens

Vincent Brown

Golden Tate

Those are the guys I would definitely take over Thompkins in the 8th-10th. I might also consider Broyles, Michael Floyd, Hopkins, Sanders, Hartline, and Rueben Randle, but I would put Thompkins in that mix, as they'd be similarly speculative picks. I'd consider Blackmon, too, depending on how deep my WRs were to that point.

Gordon would most definitely be on my list as well. In that link in PPR he is at 81, so just before my cutoff. I think that shows you how overrated Thompkins has become due to a "not normal" game for the Patriots. They don't normally lose 40-9. They don't normally have their #1 WR and #1 TE out. They don't normally average 2ypc rushing. They don't normally turn the ball over 4 times in the first 19 minutes of a game.I actually like Thompkins, but if he is going in the 8th round, I just don't see any chance of getting him. I looked at all 3 games, 4-23, 1-3 and 8-116. He has had one target in 3 games from Mallett at the 8 yard line that was inside of the 10. He had one target at the 21 and one at the 19 and was 0-3 in those red-zone attempts. Also, that one attempt from the 8 was last night with Amendola and Gronk out. Is he a legitimate TD candidate? He is averaging less than 11 ypr (8.75ypr plus one 37 yarder), so if he is just a posession type receiver with a low ypr, he is going to need a ton of receptions to be relevant and in a game where Vereen + Gronk + Amendola get 1 reception combined, I would be real worried about him being way overvalued.

Interesting point re-redzone catches. The counter-argument to Gronk, Amendola, and even Vereen getting all these passes is they will also warrant the defenses attention moreso than KT.

I don't like the "possession WR" label because he's curiously compared to Ocho quite often. It's odd so many say the same comparison.

Anyhow, I agree 8th is too early but not by much. I like the tenth round for him especially relative to his peers that are drafted then. We aren't talking about sure-bets for production but probable/hopeful types at this point.

Don't over think this with respect to red zone targets or anything like that. He hasn't played the equivalent of one NFL game. They don't know what they have so they showcased him to likely see how he reacts. He came through with flying colors and this offense is up in the air depending on how good the wr corp is.

well with this player, whatever anyone finds fault with he seems to improve upon. It's been fascinating this offseason. I'm curious if we see this improve next week is all.

 

[Banger]

Look at your history. Look at what Terrell Owens did in preseason as a rookie, and then look at his rookie year. It's not that great, when you compare it to what he did in pre-season.

I like Thompkins. I want to draft him, late. Prolly wont happen now, but I will let my opponent take the risk, while I draft a more proven wide out.

If he falls past the 10th round, which I highly doubt ... he's on my list.

In the ballpark of 8th-10th who do you like better?http://football.myfantasyleague.com/2013/adp?COUNT=250&POS=WR&CUTOFF=5&FRANCHISES=-1&IS_PPR=-1&IS_KEEPER=0&IS_MOCK=-1&TIME=

I'll play, too:Josh Gordon

Mike Williams

Kenny Britt

Chris Givens

Vincent Brown

Golden Tate

Those are the guys I would definitely take over Thompkins in the 8th-10th. I might also consider Broyles, Michael Floyd, Hopkins, Sanders, Hartline, and Rueben Randle, but I would put Thompkins in that mix, as they'd be similarly speculative picks. I'd consider Blackmon, too, depending on how deep my WRs were to that point.

Gordon would most definitely be on my list as well. In that link in PPR he is at 81, so just before my cutoff. I think that shows you how overrated Thompkins has become due to a "not normal" game for the Patriots. They don't normally lose 40-9. They don't normally have their #1 WR and #1 TE out. They don't normally average 2ypc rushing. They don't normally turn the ball over 4 times in the first 19 minutes of a game.I actually like Thompkins, but if he is going in the 8th round, I just don't see any chance of getting him. I looked at all 3 games, 4-23, 1-3 and 8-116. He has had one target in 3 games from Mallett at the 8 yard line that was inside of the 10. He had one target at the 21 and one at the 19 and was 0-3 in those red-zone attempts. Also, that one attempt from the 8 was last night with Amendola and Gronk out. Is he a legitimate TD candidate? He is averaging less than 11 ypr (8.75ypr plus one 37 yarder), so if he is just a posession type receiver with a low ypr, he is going to need a ton of receptions to be relevant and in a game where Vereen + Gronk + Amendola get 1 reception combined, I would be real worried about him being way overvalued.

Interesting point re-redzone catches. The counter-argument to Gronk, Amendola, and even Vereen getting all these passes is they will also warrant the defenses attention moreso than KT.

I don't like the "possession WR" label because he's curiously compared to Ocho quite often. It's odd so many say the same comparison.

Anyhow, I agree 8th is too early but not by much. I like the tenth round for him especially relative to his peers that are drafted then. We aren't talking about sure-bets for production but probable/hopeful types at this point.

Don't over think this with respect to red zone targets or anything like that. He hasn't played the equivalent of one NFL game. They don't know what they have so they showcased him to likely see how he reacts. He came through with flying colors and this offense is up in the air depending on how good the wr corp is.

well with this player, whatever anyone finds fault with he seems to improve upon. It's been fascinating this offseason. I'm curious if we see this improve next week is all.

Of that group above Gordon is really the only one I'd put him over him due to the potential upside. LOVE Gordon.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Anyone who has had drafts in the past couple of days, or has one in the next few days, please let us know where he is going. I'm equally interested in redrafts and keeper leagues.

He went for $4 in an online auction I was a part of last night. Money league, too, not a mock or free one.