GregR
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Vince Young, Jake Locker, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Rusty Smith, plus Kerry Collins and Matt Hasselbeck at the end of their careers.
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Coeur de Lion
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Yeah, that's bad. Pretty amazing that he put up 59-1024-12 in a 15 game span in 2010 - 2011 with that crew throwing him the ball. Bradford might indeed be the best QB that Britt has ever caught passes from.
From last year:
Patriots Hurt by Tom Brady's Accuracy Woes.
You can find justification for any storyline you want to spin on the Internet. Makes more sense just to listen to Britt and Fisher and watch the games. Talk out of camp has been universally glowing for Britt, and we're talking about a guy who's had a stint as an elite FF WR. It's what you look for this time of year. Don't hurt your chances by going out of your way to look for reasons to devalue the guys with huge upside and small pricetags. What's the opportunity cost of a little belief, in this instance? Being wrong on Kenny Britt 99% of the time is still better for your team than being right about Brian Hartline and Doug Baldwin 100% of the time. Britt doesn't pan out, you can pick up any of three dozen statistical clones of those guys for nothing.
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Sweetness_34
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If he has not yet "gotten it" 5 years in, he never will. There is enough statistically significant data to suggest Cook is just a tease. Good luck starting him every week....losing at the TE position 4 out of 5 weeks is not how I like to build my teams.
az_prof
Footballguy
I would challenge this. Britt had a stint as a tease who had a couple of great games. He has never had more than 45 receptions or 775 yards in 5 seasons. I think a stint as an elite FF WR means more than a few games--at least a full season.From last year:
Patriots Hurt by Tom Brady's Accuracy Woes.
You can find justification for any storyline you want to spin on the Internet. Makes more sense just to listen to Britt and Fisher and watch the games. Talk out of camp has been universally glowing for Britt, and we're talking about a guy who's had a stint as an elite FF WR. It's what you look for this time of year. Don't hurt your chances by going out of your way to look for reasons to devalue the guys with huge upside and small pricetags. What's the opportunity cost of a little belief, in this instance? Being wrong on Kenny Britt 99% of the time is still better for your team than being right about Brian Hartline and Doug Baldwin 100% of the time. Britt doesn't pan out, you can pick up any of three dozen statistical clones of those guys for nothing.
That doesn't mean he can't do it. But to imply that he has is misleading.
I would challenge this. Britt had a stint as a tease who had a couple of great games. He has never had more than 45 receptions or 775 yards in 5 seasons. I think a stint as an elite FF WR means more than a few games--at least a full season.From last year:
Patriots Hurt by Tom Brady's Accuracy Woes.
You can find justification for any storyline you want to spin on the Internet. Makes more sense just to listen to Britt and Fisher and watch the games. Talk out of camp has been universally glowing for Britt, and we're talking about a guy who's had a stint as an elite FF WR. It's what you look for this time of year. Don't hurt your chances by going out of your way to look for reasons to devalue the guys with huge upside and small pricetags. What's the opportunity cost of a little belief, in this instance? Being wrong on Kenny Britt 99% of the time is still better for your team than being right about Brian Hartline and Doug Baldwin 100% of the time. Britt doesn't pan out, you can pick up any of three dozen statistical clones of those guys for nothing.
That doesn't mean he can't do it. But to imply that he has is misleading.
It was a stint. It was from the middle of 2010 through week three of 2011. It wasn't a season, so I didn't say season.
It's ok. Don't draft him. Take Hartline. Good luck.
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Khy
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I'm buying in in a few leagues now. Got him in the 13th round in two different drafts this week which is nothing but value to me. Depth charts on Roto and Ourlads lists Britt as the #1 WR. Bradford has never had a true #1 and Britt has all the talent to be a true #1 and he's also (unless I"m mistaken) kept his nose clean these past couple years. He just has to stay healthy and the Bradford to Britt connection could be something we hear for a few years to come.I would challenge this. Britt had a stint as a tease who had a couple of great games. He has never had more than 45 receptions or 775 yards in 5 seasons. I think a stint as an elite FF WR means more than a few games--at least a full season.From last year:
Patriots Hurt by Tom Brady's Accuracy Woes.
You can find justification for any storyline you want to spin on the Internet. Makes more sense just to listen to Britt and Fisher and watch the games. Talk out of camp has been universally glowing for Britt, and we're talking about a guy who's had a stint as an elite FF WR. It's what you look for this time of year. Don't hurt your chances by going out of your way to look for reasons to devalue the guys with huge upside and small pricetags. What's the opportunity cost of a little belief, in this instance? Being wrong on Kenny Britt 99% of the time is still better for your team than being right about Brian Hartline and Doug Baldwin 100% of the time. Britt doesn't pan out, you can pick up any of three dozen statistical clones of those guys for nothing.
That doesn't mean he can't do it. But to imply that he has is misleading.
It was a stint. It was from the middle of 2010 through week three of 2011. It wasn't a season, so I didn't say season.
It's ok. Don't draft him. Take Hartline. Good luck.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Britt is making big plays.. first with Bradford and now with Hill. If Bradford's knee injury is serious, how much does this affect Britt?
Hoss Style
Footballguy
Here's a link to Britt's first catch. It's the first highlight shown. His other catch is not shown.
I took Britt late in one of my drafts, and I'm a believer this year IF he stays out of trouble and has matured in his approach to the game. Hell, maybe even if he hasn't matured, Fisher might be the coach that can hammer into his head that this is his last chance, and Britt's own wallet might start talking to him about how full it'll be if he actually focuses this year.
All my drafts are done for this year. I'm assuming his stock is much higher now. Those doing drafts now - is he still worth it where he's being taken?
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Been loading up on Gordon and Britt as my last 2 bench spots. Hopefully when the smoke clears at least one of them is rosterable.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Hard to say. Britt's first 30+ yard catch came with Bradford under center but the second was with Hill. I feel like Hill also has the ability to sling it and exploit Britt's athleticism.
bill bates hits hard
Footballguy
Hill used to target Calvin solely. He loves to target one big guy.
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ourmanflint
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His breakout in 2010 was with Vince Young :X and Kerry Collins. I believe most of his big games were with Collins.
His promising 2011 year which ended in 3 games but started with a bang was with Matt Hasselbeck.
ourmanflint
Footballguy
Hill isn't horrible. He threw for 2686/16/12 in 2010 in 11 games with the Lions. That extrapolates to 3906/23/16. That happens to best both of Bradford's 16 game seasons. I know that's not saying much.
bill bates hits hard
Footballguy
He may be better than bradford.
NajehHejan
Footballguy
Hill>Bradford for FF purposes. Bump Britt.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Bradford is also a backup
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
That is a good point about DET. STL doesn't have a WR that much more dominant than everybody else, and Britt and Quick both fit the bill as a big WR, so he may not lock on to one WR, unless he develops chemistry with one more than another for some reason. Britt is more experienced and physical than Quick.
Bob Magaw
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If you are right, bump the other STL skill position players.
I'd take playing 16 games and being healthier for now.
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Kenny Powers
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I dont know if Id upgrade Britt because of Hill being in now, but I certainly wouldnt downgrade him
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Bradford has a career passer rating < 80, guy. The reasons for his poor play have been beaten to death, and remain open to interpretation, but the fact remains that he hasn't really been above replacement-level statistically throughout his career.
I personally think a QB more willing to pull the trigger downfield will / would be a benefit to Britt's numbers, even if he's less effective overall in NFL terms.
bill bates hits hard
Footballguy
All I know is this.
Hill slings the ball down field for good or bad.
Bradford seems to dink and dunk then stall punt.
I'd take my chances with hill.
Hill slings the ball down field for good or bad.
Bradford seems to dink and dunk then stall punt.
I'd take my chances with hill.
bulger2holt
Footballguy
Bradford dinked and dunked because he had no legitimate weapons who could get open downfield. Would have loved to see him play 16 games in this new offense. They were going to take way more shots downfield
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
mr roboto
Footballguy
Yep. Wasn't Bradford willing to chuck it to him?
Agreed, I can't see how this is good news for any Rams receivers. Yes, Shaun Hill did OK with Detroit, but let's be honest, Britt isn't Calvin or anywhere close to Calvin. The folks above trying to say that Hill is better for Britt than Bradford are completely wrong IMHO.bulger2holt said:
Khy
Footballguy
Agreed... are there any other decent QBs out there who could be pickups? I can't see them making a deal for Sanchez or someone along those lines. I feel like unless there's a decent FA option, the Rams will probably write this one in as a lost season and look to draft a QB next year.
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bill bates hits hard
Footballguy
What has bradford displayed to show he's a future starter and not destined back up?
bulger2holt
Footballguy
Yeah, he did. Bradford made Denario, Amendola and Mark Clayton look like pro bowlers. Imagine if he had a real #1? Really wanted to see him with Briit and a revamped Quick this year. Plus throw in Cook and Tavon.mr roboto said:
ItsOnlytheRiver
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Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
I'm not sure ever going to the backup is a good thing. Bradford looked competent and sometime better than that. Backup QB's have survived with talented teams around them. Guys like Marc Bulger and Ryan Fitzpatrick survived in the league and were able to feed their talented WR's. I'm willing to take the risk on Britt and Quick still, I suppose that's all that really needs to be said for redraft as you can get these guys toward the end if not as a FA later on.
Rhythmdoctor
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This notion that Hill is a gunslinger is absolutely false. Hill does not have a cannon arm as far as I've seen. My recollection of Hill is that of a reliable backup who will take chances downfield in the short - medium range. I don't believe Hill is known for his deep ball. I think he had "success" with the Lions because of Calvin Johnson.
My point is that I wouldn't go bumping Britt because of this news. I wouldn't necessarily downgrade him either. This is a net negative for the Rams as an NFL team but probably a net wash for FF owners.
My point is that I wouldn't go bumping Britt because of this news. I wouldn't necessarily downgrade him either. This is a net negative for the Rams as an NFL team but probably a net wash for FF owners.
bill bates hits hard
Footballguy
Point was hill has the balls to Chuck it.
Never saw bradford do this.
Yes Calvin is the reason but I saw hill throw it and let them get it. Never saw bradford.
Never saw bradford do this.
Yes Calvin is the reason but I saw hill throw it and let them get it. Never saw bradford.
This. Shaun Hill is not a gunslinger at all, never has been. Bradford's injury offers no basis for bumping up Britt.
If you absolutely want to bump up someone, Tavon and Cook are the obvious choices, though I have a hard time justifying that, as well. No Rams receiver will be startable this season.
ourmanflint
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I don't think anyone called Hill a gunslinger. They just said he's willing to chuck it when there's someone there capable of catching it.
Hill doesn't have a strong arm but, in his last season as a starter, he had 6 TD passes of 20+ yards in only 11 games. Bradford's best was 8 TD's of 20+ yards in 16 games.
I think it's reasonable to expect Hill will be, at least, as proficient as Bradford at chucking it down the field.
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Monsters of the Midway
Footballguy
imo he dinked and dunked because of the Schottenheimer offense which never seemed to let him throw long. Shrug maybe it was Bradford. Bradford was very inefficient on those short passes (y/a and % well below average) though.
cstu
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