Kevin Curtis has a sports hernia (1 Viewer)

[Bankerguy]

***Rumor***A Cowboys message board I frequent says that someone on the Dallas 1310 ESPN station speculates that the Cowboys have offered their first round pick in 2009 and DE Spears for Boldin.

do they have the cap room to try this?

I think so.Currently they are just over 10 mil in space. I am sure they could move some stuff around if it was close.After signing all of our draft picks, releasing Terry Glenn and signing Todd Lowber, we currently are $10,005,228 under the cap. If Adam Jones is reinstated, it will cost us $330,000 of cap room.When the regular season starts, every player's base salary -- including players on injured reserve, if we have any -- will count against the cap. Right now, the only base salaries that count against the cap are those of the players with the 51 highest cap numbers (this is commonly known as the Rule of 51). Teams generally lose cap room once the Rule of 51 goes away, but whether we lose or gain cap room, and how much, will depend on which players make the team.

 

[massraider]

lol @ 1200+ reads of a thread about Curtis having a hernia. Bunch gubmint workers around here?I don't see this as all that big of a deal, really. Curtis was pretty good last year but not amazing and I like what I see of Jackson.

These next two weeks are the highest concentration of drafts all year. A top 36 WR missing an undetermined length of time is a pretty big deal.

 

[massraider]

***Rumor***A Cowboys message board I frequent says that someone on the Dallas 1310 ESPN station speculates that the Cowboys have offered their first round pick in 2009 and DE Spears for Boldin.

do they have the cap room to try this?

I think so.Currently they are just over 10 mil in space. I am sure they could move some stuff around if it was close.After signing all of our draft picks, releasing Terry Glenn and signing Todd Lowber, we currently are $10,005,228 under the cap. If Adam Jones is reinstated, it will cost us $330,000 of cap room.When the regular season starts, every player's base salary -- including players on injured reserve, if we have any -- will count against the cap. Right now, the only base salaries that count against the cap are those of the players with the 51 highest cap numbers (this is commonly known as the Rule of 51). Teams generally lose cap room once the Rule of 51 goes away, but whether we lose or gain cap room, and how much, will depend on which players make the team.

Sub-question:is there a rule in place in Texas that every trade offer/rumor must include Spears?

 

[renesauz]

lol @ 1200+ reads of a thread about Curtis having a hernia. Bunch gubmint workers around here?I don't see this as all that big of a deal, really. Curtis was pretty good last year but not amazing and I like what I see of Jackson.

These next two weeks are the highest concentration of drafts all year. A top 36 WR missing an undetermined length of time is a pretty big deal.

 

[Bankerguy]

***Rumor***A Cowboys message board I frequent says that someone on the Dallas 1310 ESPN station speculates that the Cowboys have offered their first round pick in 2009 and DE Spears for Boldin.

do they have the cap room to try this?

I think so.Currently they are just over 10 mil in space. I am sure they could move some stuff around if it was close.After signing all of our draft picks, releasing Terry Glenn and signing Todd Lowber, we currently are $10,005,228 under the cap. If Adam Jones is reinstated, it will cost us $330,000 of cap room.When the regular season starts, every player's base salary -- including players on injured reserve, if we have any -- will count against the cap. Right now, the only base salaries that count against the cap are those of the players with the 51 highest cap numbers (this is commonly known as the Rule of 51). Teams generally lose cap room once the Rule of 51 goes away, but whether we lose or gain cap room, and how much, will depend on which players make the team.

Sub-question:is there a rule in place in Texas that every trade offer/rumor must include Spears?

LOL...yes it's called the Dexter Coackley rule.Same goes for Philly though. Everything has Sheppard on the way out.

 

[KellysHeroes]

This is bad.. and yet some good can come out of it.

I have Curtis marked down to have a really good season, you maybe able to use this to aquire him.

The season opener is over 3 weeks away... so he could be ready by week 2, week 4 the latest.

 

[TheSoup]

All the criticism I got for drafting DeSean Jackson might pay off big time now.

 

[renesauz]

This is bad.. and yet some good can come out of it.I have Curtis marked down to have a really good season, you maybe able to use this to aquire him. The season opener is over 3 weeks away... so he could be ready by week 2, week 4 the latest.

I just posted something very similar in the Eagles thread. He's a veteran comfortable in the system, so missing practice isn't that big a deal. While this may slide him down draft charts a bit, I wouldn't let him slide too far as he's simply not going to miss that much time.This does give Dexter Jackson an opportunity to shine much sooner (or more strongly) then before.

 

[delusional]

Tough one to call here.

For one you had

1. Eagles trying to acquire some top talent in the offseason at WR ( Moss Roy Boldin )...they pull of a trade.

2. Then you look at their past with WRs and then you realize that Joe Horn could be on this team opening day

 

[Chunky Soup]

This is bad.. and yet some good can come out of it.

I have Curtis marked down to have a really good season, you maybe able to use this to aquire him.

The season opener is over 3 weeks away... so he could be ready by week 2, week 4 the latest.

I just posted something very similar in the Eagles thread. He's a veteran comfortable in the system, so missing practice isn't that big a deal. While this may slide him down draft charts a bit, I wouldn't let him slide too far as he's simply not going to miss that much time.This does give Dexter Jackson an opportunity to shine much sooner (or more strongly) then before.

 

[sholditch]

All the criticism I got for drafting DeSean Jackson might pay off big time now.

the criticism is going to pay off? didn't that seem a little weird to you when you wrote it?

 

[Gold Plated Nails]

The Chargers traded a 2nd rd pick for Chambers. The Pats traded a 2nd for Welker. It is not out of the Realm for the Cards to ask for the Eagles 1st Rd pick for Boldin although a 2nd (and a player) is probably more likely. Getting teams to part with a 1st rder is difficult.

 

[Welshie]

Just can't see Andy & Co. giving up a 1st for anyone.

A second & Lito...maybe, but I wonder if the Cardinals would do that.

This has Joe Horn written all over it.

Oddly enough, I don't really think it's a huge deal.

Curtis had three pretty good weeks last season, and his overall numbers were inflated by that monster week against Detroit.

I'd probably keep McNabb the same on my draft board (I can see him being QB5 this season, although he'll be drafted lower than that in most leagues).

You may be able to steal him a round later from this.

The guy I'd bump is L.J. more than anyone. I could see him getting more targets, especially since the Eagles WRs may struggle against Dallas, Chicago, and Pittsburgh early on, without Curtis.

This could make him a solid TE option again.

 

[westbrook36]

Joe Horn is washed up. He is no better than Hank Baskett at this point, so they will not be signing him.

Arizona has said many times that they will not trade Anquan Boldin, and Andy Reid has already stated that they will not be going after another WR.

There is no player that will really benefit that much from this injury. Curtis is going to be out about 6 weeks(4 games), and Andy Reid will rotate Greg Lewis, DeSean Jackson, and Hank Baskett in his place. Don't count on any of them being great fantasy options. I wouldn't draft any of those players unless you are in a very deep league.

The biggest impact fantasy wise will be a huge drop in value for Kevin Curtis. My advice would be to not even draft him at all, or draft him very late.

 

[brednbuddah]

How long do they think Curtis will be out, will he miss week 1?

Kevin Curtis to undergo surgeryPosted Aug. 21 at 04:25 AMPhiladelphia Eagles WR Kevin Curtis will undergo surgery today to repair a sports hernia. He is expected to miss at least the first four games of the regular season. Source: Philadelphia Inquirer.

 

[Dry H]

Let's say Boldin were to be in the draft (NFL) at this point. Would it be safe to say he would be a top 5 pick? I would think so. And I just don't think there is any way they would take a late round 1 pick for him, even if Sheppard was included. Boldin is under contract for 3 years, his leverage is minimal.

He could choose not to play.

 

[raven1911]

Most hernia repairs are at least 4 weeks. Usually they don't want you lifting for 6 weeks! It needs to scar down and that takes 6 weeks. Not sure on this one but I would count on at least 4 weeks. I have Reggie Brown and am thinking about dropping him for Ginn as I haven't seen anything from Brown. I just don't have a good feeling for him this year. I do have Westbrook though and I don't know if this situation increases his value or decreases it :(

 

[Warhogs]

Given some of these time frames coming out I can see Curtis hitting the PUP list to start the season.

 

[T Bell]

Shawn Springs had a sports hernia that required surgery in August two years ago and didn't return to the lineup until half of the season was over, and frankly didn't really look like himself even after that. I'd say that this kills Curtis' value this year.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Some reports say hes out till mid season, some say 1st 2 games...

 

[Zoomanji]

Shawn Springs had a sports hernia that required surgery in August two years ago and didn't return to the lineup until half of the season was over, and frankly didn't really look like himself even after that. I'd say that this kills Curtis' value this year.

Good thing Curtis doesn't have to tackle people

 

[Londo]

Shawn Springs had a sports hernia that required surgery in August two years ago and didn't return to the lineup until half of the season was over, and frankly didn't really look like himself even after that. I'd say that this kills Curtis' value this year.

Good thing Curtis doesn't have to tackle people

On the flip side, he has to get tackled by those same people.

 

[Zoomanji]

Shawn Springs had a sports hernia that required surgery in August two years ago and didn't return to the lineup until half of the season was over, and frankly didn't really look like himself even after that. I'd say that this kills Curtis' value this year.

Good thing Curtis doesn't have to tackle people

On the flip side, he has to get tackled by those same people.

White Lightning doesn't get tackled

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Some reports say hes out till mid season, some say 1st 2 games...

I'm no doctor, but I find it hard to believe Curtis could have sports hernia surgery and only miss 2 games.

 

[westbrook36]

Given some of these time frames coming out I can see Curtis hitting the PUP list to start the season.

Once a player participates in training camp or any type of practice, they are no longer elidgable for the PUP. The two options are injured reserve or keep him on the roster injured. The Eagles are going to keep him on the roster.

Shawn Springs had a sports hernia that required surgery in August two years ago and didn't return to the lineup until half of the season was over, and frankly didn't really look like himself even after that. I'd say that this kills Curtis' value this year.

Not all sports hernia's are created equal. It all depends on the severity of the injury, the type of surgery done, the players ability to withstand pain, and other factors. Sheldon Brown also had a sports hernia, and he thinks it will be easier for a WR to play with a sports hernia than a CB. The logic he uses is that a WR knows what route they will be running, and can know what types of movements will hurt. A CB does not know what direction they will be running, because it all depends on what route a WR runs. They have to make a sudden cut that could lead to sharp pains, and be more difficult to handle.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Some reports say hes out till mid season, some say 1st 2 games...

I'm no doctor, but I find it hard to believe Curtis could have sports hernia surgery and only miss 2 games.

Hopefully, we'll know more during the weekend... its starting to sound like anything before the bye week is gravy

 

[hostile]

Shawn Springs had a sports hernia that required surgery in August two years ago and didn't return to the lineup until half of the season was over, and frankly didn't really look like himself even after that. I'd say that this kills Curtis' value this year.

That statement implies he actually had any to begin with.

I just dont get why people had him ranked so high this year.... If you take out his game against DET last year, he was nothing more than a WR4/5. Nearly 1/3 of his season points came from that one game...

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Some reports say hes out till mid season, some say 1st 2 games...

I'm no doctor, but I find it hard to believe Curtis could have sports hernia surgery and only miss 2 games.

Read Post 48 - but I don't believe they'll do it that way.

 

[joffer]

Shawn Springs had a sports hernia that required surgery in August two years ago and didn't return to the lineup until half of the season was over, and frankly didn't really look like himself even after that. I'd say that this kills Curtis' value this year.

That statement implies he actually had any to begin with.

I just dont get why people had him ranked so high this year.... If you take out his game against DET last year, he was nothing more than a WR4/5. Nearly 1/3 of his season points came from that one game...

right, no sense drafting the WR1 on a pass-happy offense. not sure what we were thinking there.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Shawn Springs had a sports hernia that required surgery in August two years ago and didn't return to the lineup until half of the season was over, and frankly didn't really look like himself even after that. I'd say that this kills Curtis' value this year.

That statement implies he actually had any to begin with.

I just dont get why people had him ranked so high this year.... If you take out his game against DET last year, he was nothing more than a WR4/5. Nearly 1/3 of his season points came from that one game...

He has a lot more value in PPR leagues.

 

[hostile]

Shawn Springs had a sports hernia that required surgery in August two years ago and didn't return to the lineup until half of the season was over, and frankly didn't really look like himself even after that. I'd say that this kills Curtis' value this year.

That statement implies he actually had any to begin with.

I just dont get why people had him ranked so high this year.... If you take out his game against DET last year, he was nothing more than a WR4/5. Nearly 1/3 of his season points came from that one game...

right, no sense drafting the WR1 on a pass-happy offense. not sure what we were thinking there.

After the DET game, he only had 3, 100+ yd games and 3 TD's.I just dont think that's very good production from a WR1.

 

[joffer]

Shawn Springs had a sports hernia that required surgery in August two years ago and didn't return to the lineup until half of the season was over, and frankly didn't really look like himself even after that. I'd say that this kills Curtis' value this year.

That statement implies he actually had any to begin with.

I just dont get why people had him ranked so high this year.... If you take out his game against DET last year, he was nothing more than a WR4/5. Nearly 1/3 of his season points came from that one game...

right, no sense drafting the WR1 on a pass-happy offense. not sure what we were thinking there.

After the DET game, he only had 3, 100+ yd games and 3 TD's.I just dont think that's very good production from a WR1.

not a WR1 on a fantasy team, but he was serviceable as a WR2, and a very goot WR3, meaning this

That statement implies he actually had any to begin with.

is just wrong

 

[renesauz]

Some reports say hes out till mid season, some say 1st 2 games...

I'm no doctor, but I find it hard to believe Curtis could have sports hernia surgery and only miss 2 games.

Um...medically, it isn't much different from a normal hernia, and that only take a NON-ATHLETE six weeks to recover from.

 

[Mr Capicollo]

Some reports say hes out till mid season, some say 1st 2 games...

I'm no doctor, but I find it hard to believe Curtis could have sports hernia surgery and only miss 2 games.

Um...medically, it isn't much different from a normal hernia, and that only take a NON-ATHLETE six weeks to recover from.

"Recovery" means different things for an athlete than it does for a non-athlete.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

Shawn Springs had a sports hernia that required surgery in August two years ago and didn't return to the lineup until half of the season was over, and frankly didn't really look like himself even after that. I'd say that this kills Curtis' value this year.

This is what happened to Curtis' teammate, LJ Smith. Not all patients or injuries are equal. But, I think I would err on the side of caution with Curtis needing 6-8 games to get back to full strength.

 

[AnonymousBob]

Orton with a 23 yard pass to Davis. He's locked onto Rasheed Davis bigtime.

Homers,

Is this the first game they've been in synch or has it been a pattern thus far?

 

[AnonymousBob]

Rasheed Davis drops what would have been his 3rd touchdown.

 

[dapunisher]

Am I the only one who read the linked article in Jeff's post (#48)? Why wouldn't Curtis get on that eight-hour Philly to Munich flight and be playing by Week 2, if not Week 1?

 

[Tong Po]

Orton with a 23 yard pass to Davis. He's locked onto Rasheed Davis bigtime.Homers,Is this the first game they've been in synch or has it been a pattern thus far?

I know this is the first Rasheed Davis question in this Kevin Curtis thread.

 

[The Kerminator]

How long is Curtis supposed to be out? Is Jackson worth picking up as a WR4 even after Curtis and Brown are healthy?

 

[teamroc]

Rasheed Davis drops what would have been his 3rd touchdown.

It's a little early in the season to get tanked and start posting drunk ramblings on FBG. But good to know you're in midseason form.

 

[fatness]

I know this is the first Rasheed Davis question in this Kevin Curtis thread.

They're often mistaken for each other.

 

[KellysHeroes]

As to the injury itself, if US doctors accepted the European method of treating these he'd only be out a few weeks.

When McNabb had one of these, this was suggested:

Innovative Sports Hernia Treatment

Soccer players in Europe heal in record time - 1-2 weeks or so.

I remember this... it was on sportscenter. Not sure why its not used more oftened... maybe this injury, which we know nothing about... it came out of no where, can not be used here. Maybe the organization doesn't want to risk it... what if it tears again; then hes dones for the yr.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Doubtful for week one per sportsline. That seems like encouraging news considering he wasn't even expected to play for 4 weeks? Hold curtis? Ditch him? Any philly homers know anything?

 

[Zoomanji]

Doubtful for week one per sportsline. That seems like encouraging news considering he wasn't even expected to play for 4 weeks? Hold curtis? Ditch him? Any philly homers know anything?

He had surgery already. Out at least 4- 6 weeks. Some talk that he wouldn't be back till after the bye on week 7. If you have the room, I'd stash him for late season and playoffs.Best bet to find any info would the Eagles official site but as an organization they are pretty tight with injury info.IMO no value till week 8.