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Keypad locks on your house? Or are you still in the stone age? (1 Viewer)
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Ignoramus
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Insoxicated
Flir Thermal imaging case for iPhoneWat?
Basically a high-quality infra-red camera built into an iPhone case.... meaning you can simply aim it at a keypad and easily see which numbers have been pressed recently via residual heat signature.
Ignoramus
Footballguy
So you simply point this camera at the ATM or other keypad up to 30 minutes after someone used it and you can easily see the residual heat signature?Flir Thermal imaging case for iPhone
Basically a high-quality infra-red camera built into an iPhone case.... meaning you can simply aim it at a keypad and easily see which numbers have been pressed recently via residual heat signature.
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Insoxicated
Yep. Now with a busy ATM it's probably next to impossible unless you're next in line and catch the "brightest" 4 key presses... but you get the idea.So you simply point this camera at the ATM or other keypad up to 30 minutes after someone used it and you can easily see the residual heat signature?Flir Thermal imaging case for iPhone
Basically a high-quality infra-red camera built into an iPhone case.... meaning you can simply aim it at a keypad and easily see which numbers have been pressed recently via residual heat signature.
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Insoxicated
That is a pretty slick solution and fair priced ($75ea in 2 packs)Highly recommend the Ultimate Lock.Locks are essentially worthless these days. Thieves all use "kick-ins" instead of screwing with locks and bump keys.,
Entry to pretty much any door in 2-3 seconds. Two Deadbolts? Maybe one extra kick, but probably not.
Much better investment in home security is a re enforced door frame plate. Installs in the same hour, invisible, and actually stops thieves.
I'd be curious as to what level of protection that offers compared to kick-in protection plates like the door sentinel ($50ish)
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Insoxicated
I assume a locksmith could "key" an ultimate lock to your current key.
If there's any risk of a breakin in your neighborhood, you really should have SOME sort of kick-in protection on at least your front-main door. It's pretty alarming how easy it is to get into your house otherwise. You're essentially relying on a section of wood smaller than your pinky to stop people from waltzing into your home.
avoiding injuries
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Me too. Until I came home during a power outage and couldn't open my garage door. I put the key pad on my walkout basement door that works as a backup entry and is great when I'm in the backyard and need to get in. Never have to worry if that door is unlocked.Go through attached garage 99% time. If I don't want a key don't need it
Henry Ford
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I don't know how it compares, but I know for certain it's tough to kick in.That is a pretty slick solution and fair priced ($75ea in 2 packs)Highly recommend the Ultimate Lock.Locks are essentially worthless these days. Thieves all use "kick-ins" instead of screwing with locks and bump keys.,
Entry to pretty much any door in 2-3 seconds. Two Deadbolts? Maybe one extra kick, but probably not.
Much better investment in home security is a re enforced door frame plate. Installs in the same hour, invisible, and actually stops thieves.
I'd be curious as to what level of protection that offers compared to kick-in protection plates like the door sentinel ($50ish)
Otis
Footballguy
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Must resist obvious joke.THREE.Well done sir. That must require at least 2 tools.
belljr
Footballguy
nah nothing like that. We have a french door type door on the back. It opens like a regular door. One panel is glass the other looks just like it but is the door. Anyway my wife is worried that someone would break the glass and unlock the deadbolt.I told her a) those aren't individual pane of glass. It's one giant reinforced double pane with trim b) if you are that worried set the alarm while we are in the house.
TheAristocrat
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glock
"Don't grumble, give a whistle!"
Speaking of "THREE"- my Pella keyed entry door has THREE over sized deadbolts. No one is kicking that door in...THREE.Well done sir. That must require at least 2 tools.
Angry Beavers
Footballguy
so change the code?My first thought as well. Used to live in an apartment building where you had to be buzzed in, but there was a "secret" keycode for residents that automatically buzzed the gate. One guy has a party and tells all the guests the code.Not a bad idea... unless you got kids.. we have a lock box outside with a extra key.. the first time we set the code we made easy for her.. then one day we overhear her telling the friend the code.. When we reacted she said "what's the bug deal all my friends know it"
Would be the same with kids, they'll tell all their friends the code eventually.
Bucks
Footballguy
Metal keys like on most ATM's don't retain heat nearly as long. Remedy is to remember to touch all keys when done using the touchpad.
E-Z Glider
Footballguy
GB living in a area where we dont need to lock any doors.
Ignoramus
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These guys had about a 50% success rate pulling 4-digit codes in a laboratory within a minute. I'm not questioning that it's technically feasible to do it under the right conditions... just that there's no way someone can easily come behind me half an hour later and get my code.Plus I use an 8-digit code that has a bunch of repeat numbers (like 13221321)... and I live in Houston where your little thermal camera will probably detect a cool spot when I press the buttons.[icon] said:Yep. Now with a busy ATM it's probably next to impossible unless you're next in line and catch the "brightest" 4 key presses... but you get the idea.Ignoramus said:So you simply point this camera at the ATM or other keypad up to 30 minutes after someone used it and you can easily see the residual heat signature?[icon] said:Flir Thermal imaging case for iPhoneIgnoramus said:tdoss said:
Basically a high-quality infra-red camera built into an iPhone case.... meaning you can simply aim it at a keypad and easily see which numbers have been pressed recently via residual heat signature.
Fennis
Footballguy
which one do you have in your safe room?[icon] said:That is a pretty slick solution and fair priced ($75ea in 2 packs)Henry Ford said:Highly recommend the Ultimate Lock.[icon] said:Locks are essentially worthless these days. Thieves all use "kick-ins" instead of screwing with locks and bump keys.,
Entry to pretty much any door in 2-3 seconds. Two Deadbolts? Maybe one extra kick, but probably not.
Much better investment in home security is a re enforced door frame plate. Installs in the same hour, invisible, and actually stops thieves.
I'd be curious as to what level of protection that offers compared to kick-in protection plates like the door sentinel ($50ish)
Otis
Footballguy
It seriously does. It's one less thing to have to carry around, but beyond that, there's no fumbling for keys every time you enter or leave the house. You just press a button. You can do that without going to a pocket, and when your hands are full, etc.
Doug B
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Not for me -- I bring my car keys with me anytime I leave the house
So I'd go from a key fob with four keys to a key fob with three keys "Press a button" or "key in a code"?
If I have to bring a bunch of stuff into the house and I cannot free up a hand to use the key on the locked front door (and I can turn a key with one hand while holding a few grocery bags in the same hand), I either (a) unlock the door before carrying anything in, or (b) I set the items on the ground, unlock door, pick items back up, walk in. What helps is being able to park just a few steps from my front door, so any back-and-forth I have to do has no real overhead.
This all sounds a lot better for people living in compact downtowns where you really can walk to the grocery, take the subway to work, etc. People who have to leave their cars in a communal residential garage, a residential lot, or a distant spot on the street and THEN hoof it to their apartment building and THEN have to get up to the 20th floor or whatever.
Dealing with keys never felt like "fumbling", anyway. Keys are really easy and really are no trouble (unless lost without a handy spare). They feel natural, actually -- due to familiarility, 'm sure, but so be it. Different strokes.
tommyGunZ
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Yeah - we may disagree on the technology, but I completely agree with you that eliminating stuff that has to be carried around is very liberating.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
this is the problem. all the kids in the neighborhood know the garage codes to each others houses, i won't be getting oneNot a bad idea... unless you got kids.. we have a lock box outside with a extra key.. the first time we set the code we made it easy for her to remember.. then one day we overhear her telling a friend the code.. When we reacted she said "what's the big deal all my friends know it"
Fat Nick
Footballguy
For all of you saying how keypads are more vulnerable to people figuring out the code, etc...and for those of you who have all kinds of fancy locks on your doors, I'll just say this....If a thief wants into your house badly enough, they'll get in. There is no lock, door, window, or alarm that will prevent a thief from getting in.
The goal of security is to convince them that a home is likely a bad target and they stand a higher chance of getting caught, thus they move elsewhere.
I've got Z-wave Keypad dead-bolts on both my main doors (front and attached garage). I can give out temporary codes to contractors or others. I can also set it up to get an alert on my phone when certain codes are used. I have every window in my house alarmed. My alarm system arms automatically when I lock my keypad doors and unarms when I open them with my master code. I also have a security camera and motion lights. All my spare keys are locked in a wall-safe. With that said, if someone wanted to get in, they could. My sliding door is only so secure. My windows are still just glass. My doors could probably be kicked in. But....I know my neighbor has a house surrounded by woods, no alarm, no camera, and minimal lighting. If I were a thief, I'd go rob him.
FWIW - Keypad locks were a game changer for me. I'll never go back. It's so nice to just have to carry 1 Key FOB for my car in my pocket. No door keys. The added plus is that if a guest or relative is visiting and gets there before me, I can unlock the house remotely for them.
The goal of security is to convince them that a home is likely a bad target and they stand a higher chance of getting caught, thus they move elsewhere.
I've got Z-wave Keypad dead-bolts on both my main doors (front and attached garage). I can give out temporary codes to contractors or others. I can also set it up to get an alert on my phone when certain codes are used. I have every window in my house alarmed. My alarm system arms automatically when I lock my keypad doors and unarms when I open them with my master code. I also have a security camera and motion lights. All my spare keys are locked in a wall-safe. With that said, if someone wanted to get in, they could. My sliding door is only so secure. My windows are still just glass. My doors could probably be kicked in. But....I know my neighbor has a house surrounded by woods, no alarm, no camera, and minimal lighting. If I were a thief, I'd go rob him.
FWIW - Keypad locks were a game changer for me. I'll never go back. It's so nice to just have to carry 1 Key FOB for my car in my pocket. No door keys. The added plus is that if a guest or relative is visiting and gets there before me, I can unlock the house remotely for them.
Ignoramus
Footballguy
Now imagine you only had to carry one. Know what that makes the second one?Carry extra? I have 2 keys. House and car.
"Extra"
Doug B
Footballguy
... but that second key has no overhead, assuming it was two keys on the same ring.Now imagine you only had to carry one. Know what that makes the second one?Carry extra? I have 2 keys. House and car.
Now, when you get into comparing a "janitor's key ring" to "no keys at all", that's very different.
A singular device/system that (a) opened the house, (b) opened the car(s), and (c ) started the car(s) could replace "the keys". But then if the device/system is just a phone, or another fob or something ... might as well carry "the keys."
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Ned
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Henry Ford
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Fat Nick
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If you let the battery die, you're just flat out lazy. It'll start beeping at you as it gets low. Even then there's several weeks of life left. They really don't use much power. My Z-wave one looks JUST like Otis', and I might change the batteries every 8 months or so...
Ned
Footballguy
And I carry it with me.
Don't tell Otis.
Don't tell Otis.
Fat Nick
Footballguy
You guys played too much Spliter Cell as a kid...[icon] said:Yep. Now with a busy ATM it's probably next to impossible unless you're next in line and catch the "brightest" 4 key presses... but you get the idea.Ignoramus said:So you simply point this camera at the ATM or other keypad up to 30 minutes after someone used it and you can easily see the residual heat signature?[icon] said:Flir Thermal imaging case for iPhoneIgnoramus said:tdoss said:
Basically a high-quality infra-red camera built into an iPhone case.... meaning you can simply aim it at a keypad and easily see which numbers have been pressed recently via residual heat signature.
Otis
Footballguy
Mr. Ected
Footballguy
FN is right on this stuff, the lock on the front door should be part of a system; that is what intrigued me about getting this stuff through ABT, my alarm company.
About getting the door kicked in, I saw this today. The Haven, a door-lock that stops just about everything to get in. My only thought is what if Fire Dept wants to get in?!?
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