Keyshawn Johnson (1 Viewer)

[trader jake]

Any ideas on what it might cost to sign Key?

2 year deal...total value over $5 mil

 

[Football Menace]

I think it's either New Orleans or Atlanta, and being that he wants to play for a Superbowl contender, I'd narrow it down to New Orleans. You can never can discount the revenge factor.

 

[BoltBacker]

Key will be signed within two weeks.

I'd say by the weekend...

I can think of several teams that could make a play for Key:SDKCJackTennMinnWash

If he's really interested in winning a superbowl I'd imagine that SD would be at the top of the list. I'm not sure if AJ would go for Key though.

I think the list would like thisSDSFSEADENAll teams out west so he could be close to his family, all teams in need of at least one WR, all teams that should make the playoffs.

 

[anborn]

as a CAR fan... this makes no sense :( we could still use him. Smith+Key+DJarrett+Carter?... considering we have no TE, that looks alot better than Smith+DJ+blah.

 

[jurb26]

Clayton saying (on ESPN) that Key would only be offered the min salary. Also that NO is the only team that makes sense.

:(

 

[massraider]

Clayton saying (on ESPN) that Key would only be offered the min salary. Also that NO is the only team that makes sense.

Clayton continues to embarrass himself.

 

[massraider]

By the way, I am not sure that Key campaigning for Brady Quinn on Saturday was the brightest move, either. Teams are touchy about their QBs, they don't need the hired gun possession receiver spouting off about grabbing a 1st round QB.

 

[jurb26]

By the way, I am not sure that Key campaigning for Brady Quinn on Saturday was the brightest move, either. Teams are touchy about their QBs, they don't need the hired gun possession receiver spouting off about grabbing a 1st round QB.

Well, Delhomme is 32 and they didn't exactly invest a future in Carr with only a 2 year deal.

 

[SproutDaddy]

I think it's either New Orleans or Atlanta, and being that he wants to play for a Superbowl contender, I'd narrow it down to New Orleans. You can never can discount the revenge factor.

If Payton wanted to get rid of Horn due to attitude problems there is no way in hell he goes after Meshawn, especially after drafting Meacham. I expect them to make a run at Briggs.

 

[tppt]

iam sure lots of teams need a slow wr with a big mouth that always wants the ball and is a cancer

:amanitoomerwithlongevity:

 

[Wheelhouse]

Does this free up $ to spend on a free agent safety?

 

[massraider]

By the way, I am not sure that Key campaigning for Brady Quinn on Saturday was the brightest move, either. Teams are touchy about their QBs, they don't need the hired gun possession receiver spouting off about grabbing a 1st round QB.

Well, Delhomme is 32 and they didn't exactly invest a future in Carr with only a 2 year deal.

I didn't say he was incorrect. I'm saying it wasn't the brightest thing to say. Actually, I think taking Quinn woulda been more than understandable. I think Delhomme is average, at best. But there are things you generally don't do in the NFL, and running down your QB, albeit indirectly, is one of them.

 

[ATC1]

I think it's either New Orleans or Atlanta, and being that he wants to play for a Superbowl contender, I'd narrow it down to New Orleans. You can never can discount the revenge factor.

If Payton wanted to get rid of Horn due to attitude problems there is no way in hell he goes after Meshawn, especially after drafting Meacham. I expect them to make a run at Briggs.

That would make my year!

 

[jurb26]

Oh boy Clayton's back on......

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Does this free up $ to spend on a free agent safety?

Cap implications of cutting JohnsonLet’s do a little more separating the facts from fiction on the finances of the Keyshawn Johnson situation.Here’s the deal: He was scheduled to count $3.25 million against the salary cap this year. Instead, the Panthers will have to absorb $3.75 million in outstanding pro-ration of his original bonus, but they’ll actually save cap room with this move. As part of a new rule this year, Johnson will be designated as a post-June 1 release. That will allow the Panthers to spread his cap hit over two years.He’ll count $1.25 million this year and $2.5 million against the 2008 cap.Posted by pyasinskas on May 1, 2007 at 02:44 PM | Permalink

 

[railman305]

well if he wants getting the ball over winning a superbowl, Tennessee would seem like a great fit, they have a bunch of mid round 06 and 07 draft picks at there WR spot now, and I guess givens if healthy, but looks like a good fit where he could get alot of targets

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

I guess Andy Reid no longer has to worry about those tampering charges from his draft day ESPN interview...

 

[T Man]

give a dude 3 mill roster bonous, and cut him 3 weeks later? there must be something we're not hearing about. no one could be that stupid.

Agreed. If Drew Carter was the "go to guy", they knew it three weeks ago - and could have avoided the $3 million payout.With the drafting of Jarrett, they still could have put Key on the block and try and get a 2008 pick.Something happened to cause the Panthers in the span of 3 weeks to change their mind from "Keyshawn is a Key to the 2007 season let's pay him $3 million" to "let's dump the guy as fast as we can"!

 

[nerangers]

I didn't see this in the thread...

Panthers | Hurney comments on K. Johnson release

Tue, 1 May 2007 15:14:55 -0700

Carolina Panthers general manager Marty Hurney, during an interview on "The Afternoon Blitz" on SIRIUS NFL Radio, said the Panthers were fortunate enough to land WR Dwayne Jarrett and WR Ryne Robinson during the NFL Draft, which made it easier to part ways with WR Keyshawn Johnson. Hurney noted the team feels they have a group of young receivers who are able to develop through a lot of time and reps. While noting Johnson was everything they hoped he would be when they signed him, Hurney noted the team made a decision it was time to give their younger players time to develop. He added Johnson was a little surprised but understands the reasons behind his release. Hurney said financial considerations did not play a part in the release.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

But there are things you generally don't do in the NFL, and running down your QB, albeit indirectly, is one of them.

I think the writing on the wall was before this. Johnson threatened retirement if Henning was fired, and was very noncommittal about returning to the Panthers. He also never participated in any volunteer workouts or minicamps. There may have been some other things going on behind the scenes. I still think the Panthers should have just lived with Johnson for another year. Their receiving corps went from good to ???.

 

[massraider]

give a dude 3 mill roster bonous, and cut him 3 weeks later? there must be something we're not hearing about. no one could be that stupid.

Agreed. If Drew Carter was the "go to guy", they knew it three weeks ago - and could have avoided the $3 million payout.With the drafting of Jarrett, they still could have put Key on the block and try and get a 2008 pick.Something happened to cause the Panthers in the span of 3 weeks to change their mind from "Keyshawn is a Key to the 2007 season let's pay him $3 million" to "let's dump the guy as fast as we can"!

Re-read the thread. Word is, it was deferred money he was getting anyway, whether he was on the team or ont.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

give a dude 3 mill roster bonous, and cut him 3 weeks later? there must be something we're not hearing about. no one could be that stupid.

Agreed. If Drew Carter was the "go to guy", they knew it three weeks ago - and could have avoided the $3 million payout.With the drafting of Jarrett, they still could have put Key on the block and try and get a 2008 pick.Something happened to cause the Panthers in the span of 3 weeks to change their mind from "Keyshawn is a Key to the 2007 season let's pay him $3 million" to "let's dump the guy as fast as we can"!

He was not payed a roster bonus. He was paid a deffered signing bonus, money that was going to be owed to Johnson regardless.

 

[T Man]

If the money was a deferred bonus, it makes more sense. However, I would think that the Panthers would have at least seen if a team was interested in parting with a late pick to get Keyshawn.

 

[massraider]

And according to this, they didn't pay him any money:

MESHAWN DID NOT RECEIVE A $3 MILLION BONUS

We've been trying to figure out why the Panthers would release receiver Keyshawn Johnson only a month after paying him a $3 million roster bonus. We finally know the reason.

They never paid it to him.

Pat Yasinskas of the Charlotte Observer reports that the Panthers did not -- contrary to a report from ABC 12 and possibly -- pay Johnson a $3 millon roster bonus on April 1.

As to the reason for the move, Yasinskas writes: "Some very important people in the organization weren't happy when Johnson failed to stand up and take blame from quarterback Jake Delhomme after some critical passes intended for Johnson were intercepted. At least one very important person in the organization urged Johnson to do that and he didn't."

Yasinskas also says that the decision was made a couple of weeks ago, and that the team waited until after the draft to make the move.

From PFT......

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

And according to this, they didn't pay him any money:

MESHAWN DID NOT RECEIVE A $3 MILLION BONUS

We've been trying to figure out why the Panthers would release receiver Keyshawn Johnson only a month after paying him a $3 million roster bonus. We finally know the reason.

They never paid it to him.

Pat Yasinskas of the Charlotte Observer reports that the Panthers did not -- contrary to a report from ABC 12 and possibly -- pay Johnson a $3 millon roster bonus on April 1.

As to the reason for the move, Yasinskas writes: "Some very important people in the organization weren't happy when Johnson failed to stand up and take blame from quarterback Jake Delhomme after some critical passes intended for Johnson were intercepted. At least one very important person in the organization urged Johnson to do that and he didn't."

Yasinskas also says that the decision was made a couple of weeks ago, and that the team waited until after the draft to make the move.

From PFT......

It went to Brian Westbrook by mistake!

 

[massraider]

And according to this, they didn't pay him any money:

MESHAWN DID NOT RECEIVE A $3 MILLION BONUS

We've been trying to figure out why the Panthers would release receiver Keyshawn Johnson only a month after paying him a $3 million roster bonus. We finally know the reason.

They never paid it to him.

Pat Yasinskas of the Charlotte Observer reports that the Panthers did not -- contrary to a report from ABC 12 and possibly -- pay Johnson a $3 millon roster bonus on April 1.

As to the reason for the move, Yasinskas writes: "Some very important people in the organization weren't happy when Johnson failed to stand up and take blame from quarterback Jake Delhomme after some critical passes intended for Johnson were intercepted. At least one very important person in the organization urged Johnson to do that and he didn't."

Yasinskas also says that the decision was made a couple of weeks ago, and that the team waited until after the draft to make the move.

From PFT......

It went to Brian Westbrook by mistake!

Looks like those computer classes paid off, Westy!

 

[Yenrub]

I have to wonder if they tried to trade him for anything

They need help at saftey I wonder if they shopped him around at least a little before cutting him

 

[ThePittbully]

Key will be signed within two weeks.

No doubt, if he's not asking for ridiculous money, which I dont think he will be. There will be quite a few teams in need of a veteran receiver. Id like to see the Saints pick him upThe thing about taking responsibility about the interceptions is ridiculous IMO. When you are a QB and you throw a pick, it is on you. Regardless of the situation, you are the leader of the offense and the team, you take it onto yourself.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

http://blogs.charlotte.com/panthers/

May 01, 2007

Why Panthers canned Keyshawn

Here's why Keyshawn Johnson is gone:

Although the receiver, who was followed by controversy in his previous stops, seemed to be a model citizen in his one season with the Panthers, there were some-behind the scenes issues.

Some very important people in the organization weren't happy when Johnson failed to stand up and take blame away from quarterback Jake Delhomme after some critical passes intended for Johnson were intercepted. At least one very important person in the organization urged Johnson to do that and he didn't.

Johnson also didn't endear himself to some key people by questioning some coaching moves. The Panthers are on the hook for $3.75 million in salary cap space because of remaining signing bonus prorations. They may designate Johnson as a June 1 cut and spread the cap hit over two years.

The decision to part ways with Johnson actually was made at least several weeks ago. When a rumor was circulating about this move last week, Panthers general manager Marty Hurney told The Observer that information was "not accurate.''

Apparently, the Panthers wanted to make sure their bases were covered before officially making the move, and the clincher came when they drafted USC's Dwayne Jarrett in the second round Saturday.

I remember a couple that were really more Johnson's fault than Jake's. I guess all the little things added up.

Then why pay him the roster bonus if they knew they were going to cut him?

Straw that broke the camel's back wasn't until after Mar 1?

Sorry, what was the last straw?

Who knows? Could have been anything. I'm confused by your non-understanding of that. Stuff like that behind the scenes happens all the time in the NFL.

 

[Ducegonads]

I guess Andy Reid no longer has to worry about those tampering charges from his draft day ESPN interview...

That was pretty fing funny during the draft. Best part of the whole ESPN draft coverage. KJ in Philly. Could happen but I don't know if McNabb is ready for another big mouth WR. He should hang em up and call it now while he riding the broadcast high. He wasn't to bad.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

 

[Bri]

Raiders

 

[dotman]

And according to this, they didn't pay him any money:

MESHAWN DID NOT RECEIVE A $3 MILLION BONUS

We've been trying to figure out why the Panthers would release receiver Keyshawn Johnson only a month after paying him a $3 million roster bonus. We finally know the reason.

They never paid it to him.

Pat Yasinskas of the Charlotte Observer reports that the Panthers did not -- contrary to a report from ABC 12 and possibly -- pay Johnson a $3 millon roster bonus on April 1.

As to the reason for the move, Yasinskas writes: "Some very important people in the organization weren't happy when Johnson failed to stand up and take blame from quarterback Jake Delhomme after some critical passes intended for Johnson were intercepted. At least one very important person in the organization urged Johnson to do that and he didn't."

Yasinskas also says that the decision was made a couple of weeks ago, and that the team waited until after the draft to make the move.

From PFT......

It went to Brian Westbrook by mistake!

Looks like those computer classes paid off, Westy!

 

[Hairy Snowman]

Key: Jarrett's not ready for the NFL.Carolina: He's ready enough to take YOUR job. Have a nice season somewhere else, guy.

Or loose lips sink ships.....Key, why are you breaking down film on what the guy that will be trying to take your job does well on national TV for? Did you do that for the team or did you do that for yourself. Thanks for making his transition to the NFL a little harder and don't let the door hit ya. Key thought he was posturing for a mentor role and really he was just talking too much.

 

[flapgreen]

That is one of the funniest things I've seen in a while. Great choice of draft day hosts, espn.

 

[428143]

I thought Keyshawn was quite good, but yeah, this was great...

 

[QuizGuy66]

It's funny to wonder if Dwayne was told when they called him to tell him he was picked that they picked him for the purpose of replacing Keyshawn

As a Bengals fan, I have to wonder if Keyshawn might want to come play with his cousin

-QG

 

[Da Guru]

Lets face it. Johnson is 35 years old, been released by three straight teams.

Johnson still talks a good game, but the vet minimum is about all he should command right now.

 

[jurb26]

Lets face it. Johnson is 35 years old, been released by three straight teams.Johnson still talks a good game, but the vet minimum is about all he should command right now.

I don't care how old he is. Key is still one of the best possession WRs out there right now. He could be a real asset to several teams and come cheap. These are pretty darn good numbers for a guy you can land a for vet min:

Rushing		 |		Receiving		|+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| Year  TM |   G |   Att  Yards	Y/A   TD |   Rec  Yards   Y/R   TD |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| 2004 dal |  16 |	 2	 13	6.5	0 |	70	981  14.0	6 || 2005 dal |  16 |	 1	  3	3.0	0 |	71	839  11.8	6 || 2006 car |  16 |	 1	  4	4.0	1 |	70	815  11.6	4 |

 

[Da Guru]

Lets face it. Johnson is 35 years old, been released by three straight teams.Johnson still talks a good game, but the vet minimum is about all he should command right now.

I don't care how old he is. Key is still one of the best possession WRs out there right now. He could be a real asset to several teams and come cheap. These are pretty darn good numbers for a guy you can land a for vet min:

Rushing		 |		Receiving		|+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| Year  TM |   G |   Att  Yards	Y/A   TD |   Rec  Yards   Y/R   TD |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| 2004 dal |  16 |	 2	 13	6.5	0 |	70	981  14.0	6 || 2005 dal |  16 |	 1	  3	3.0	0 |	71	839  11.8	6 || 2006 car |  16 |	 1	  4	4.0	1 |	70	815  11.6	4 |

For the vet minimum..I agree.

 

[Steel Mike Tomczak]

Being in a 16-team fantasy league, he was unfortunately on my roster. Terrible fantasy option.