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[LawFitz]

Kiffin covers ground on draft, QB

April 1, 2008 10:04 AM

Posted by ESPN.com's Bill Williamson

In addition to talking extensively about his own situation for the first time this offseason, Raiders coach Lane Kiffin riffed about several topics this morning during his media breakfast session at the league meetings in West Palm Beach, Fla.:

* No go on McFadden? Because of a surplus of running backs, including the newly re-signed Justin Fargas, Kiffin said the team likely won't pursue Arkansas star running back Darren McFadden with the No. 4 pick. Kiffin said the team's biggest need is at the defensive line, where Virginia defensive end Chris Long (the son of Raiders Hall of Famer Howie Long) and defensive tackles Glenn Dorsey of LSU and Sedrick Ellis of USC are possibilities.

"[McFadden] is a phenomenal player .... But we really don't have a big need at running back," Kiffin said.

* Trade down? The Raiders don't have any second-, third- or fifth-round picks so Kiffin made it clear the team, which is still very much in the rebuilding phase, will look at the possibility of trading out of the No. 4 pick.

Teams such as Carolina, at No. 13, or Chicago, at No. 14, or Dallas, which has the No. 22 and No. 28 picks, could be attracted by Oakland's top pick.

"[Trading down] is something we're looking at," Kiffin said.

* JaMarcus' weight: It had been reported that second-year quarterback JaMarucs Russell, who Kiffin believes in the future of the franchise, has tipped the scales at 300-plus pounds this offseason. Not so, says Kiffin.

The coach wouldn't say how much his prized player weighs, but emphasized that Russell is in good shape. Kiffin said he is fine with Russell playing in the 275-pound range and if Russell trimmed down to 260 or so he wouldn't be as effective because of his body frame.

* Revenge is on tap: When it was announced Monday that the Raiders will open the season by hosting Denver on Monday night, Kiffin went straight to the motivation well.

He said he text messaged new receiver Javon Walker, who of course, was signed by the Raiders last month to a lucrative deal days afar being dumped by Denver. Walker quickly texted his coach back.

"I'm not going to say what he [wrote]... but let's just say he is ready," Kiffin said.

We'll have more from Kiffin a bit later.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Way to hold your cards close to the vest there Lane.

 

[5Rings]

Way to hold your cards close to the vest there Lane.

I don't think it really matters what Lane says.Al makes all the decisions.

 

[Sebowski]

I'm telling you guys. Michael Bush will be a stud in Oakland.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I'm telling you guys. Michael Bush will be a stud in Oakland.

What happens when they play against another team?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Way to hold your cards close to the vest there Lane.

I don't think it really matters what Lane says.Al makes all the decisions.

I'm telling you guys. Michael Bush will be a stud in Oakland.

meh

 

[Ed Wood]

Way to hold your cards close to the vest there Lane.

Gotta be a smokescreen.Either that or he knows Davis is leaning McFadden and wants to get fired.

 

[TheFanatic]

I'm telling you guys. Michael Bush will be a stud in Oakland.

What happens when they play against another team?

 

[tombonneau]

Way to hold your cards close to the vest there Lane.

Gotta be a smokescreen.Either that or he knows Davis is leaning McFadden and wants to get fired.

Either a smokescreen, or a 32-year-old head coach.

 

[Sebowski]

I'm telling you guys. Michael Bush will be a stud in Oakland.

What happens when they play against another team?

Not sure what that is suppose to me.I know sometimes you really, really, want to say something funny, but if the joke isn't there you have to let it go.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I'm telling you guys. Michael Bush will be a stud in Oakland.

What happens when they play against another team?

Not sure what that is suppose to me.I know sometimes you really, really, want to say something funny, but if the joke isn't there you have to let it go.

Other people got it.

 

[perry147]

I'm telling you guys. Michael Bush will be a stud in Oakland.

What happens when they play against another team?

Not sure what that is suppose to me.I know sometimes you really, really, want to say something funny, but if the joke isn't there you have to let it go.

Other people got it.

It was funny Andy. Don't let a drunk kicker run you off stage.

 

[Sebowski]

I'm telling you guys. Michael Bush will be a stud in Oakland.

What happens when they play against another team?

Not sure what that is suppose to me.I know sometimes you really, really, want to say something funny, but if the joke isn't there you have to let it go.

Other people got it.

Now one guy is a people?Go ahead and explain it to me. I say stud in OaklandYou say what happens when they play against another team

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Go ahead and explain it to me. I say stud in OaklandYou say what happens when they play against another team

See, he's scrimmaging against his teammates in Oakland. Given that their run defense was wretched last year, I'm sure he could be a stud in Oakland.Mileage may vary when he plays other teams, however.Lighten up.

 

[bigmurd]

Go ahead and explain it to me. I say stud in OaklandYou say what happens when they play against another team

See, he's scrimmaging against his teammates in Oakland. Given that their run defense was wretched last year, I'm sure he could be a stud in Oakland.Mileage may vary when he plays other teams, however.Lighten up.

I got it.

 

[Toomuchnv]

Way to hold your cards close to the vest there Lane.

Who says Lane has any cards to hold close to his vest. Anyone that knows the Raiders knows the one holding the cards isn't Lane. This is all just one of the tons of smokescreens we will be hearing less than a month before the draft. In that interview he basically shot down every rumor that was out there i.e. Russel's weight, Raiders drafting McFadden, Him and Al fighting, blah blah blah...I wouldn't read much into it.

 

[TheFanatic]

I'm telling you guys. Michael Bush will be a stud in Oakland.

What happens when they play against another team?

Not sure what that is suppose to me.I know sometimes you really, really, want to say something funny, but if the joke isn't there you have to let it go.

Other people got it.

 

[Sebowski]

Go ahead and explain it to me. I say stud in OaklandYou say what happens when they play against another team

See, he's scrimmaging against his teammates in Oakland. Given that their run defense was wretched last year, I'm sure he could be a stud in Oakland.Mileage may vary when he plays other teams, however.Lighten up.

Oh. I guess I didn't get it because his scrimmages never once entered my mind and I'm not sure how what I said made them enter yours. I'm just saying he will be a stud in Oakland. I'm pretty light already. Didn't mean to sound cranky. I just honestly didn't get it (and still don't really).

 

[JPeso]

I'm telling you guys. Michael Bush will be a stud in Oakland.

What happens when they play against another team?

I'd like to see him get a chance. The resigning of Fargas makes it more likely that Bush will get a shot.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Go ahead and explain it to me. I say stud in OaklandYou say what happens when they play against another team

See, he's scrimmaging against his teammates in Oakland. Given that their run defense was wretched last year, I'm sure he could be a stud in Oakland.Mileage may vary when he plays other teams, however.Lighten up.

Oh. I guess I didn't get it because his scrimmages never once entered my mind and I'm not sure how what I said made them enter yours. I'm just saying he will be a stud in Oakland. I'm pretty light already. Didn't mean to sound cranky. I just honestly didn't get it (and still don't really).

That's okay. I too like Michael Bush and think he has a chance to be a stud in Oakland.

 

[Fallerjw]

I'm telling you guys. Michael Bush will be a stud in Oakland.

What happens when they play against another team?

 

[Englishteacher]

I'm telling you guys. Michael Bush will be a stud in Oakland.

What happens when they play against another team?

I'd like to see him get a chance. The resigning of Fargas makes it more likely that Bush will get a shot.

If he impresses he'll see the field. Did they bring Rhodes back? Jordan is gone I believe.

 

[FUBAR]

Go ahead and explain it to me. I say stud in OaklandYou say what happens when they play against another team

See, he's scrimmaging against his teammates in Oakland. Given that their run defense was wretched last year, I'm sure he could be a stud in Oakland.Mileage may vary when he plays other teams, however.Lighten up.

Oh. I guess I didn't get it because his scrimmages never once entered my mind and I'm not sure how what I said made them enter yours. I'm just saying he will be a stud in Oakland. I'm pretty light already. Didn't mean to sound cranky. I just honestly didn't get it (and still don't really).

Nothing quite like explaining a joke to ruin the thread.There's a few ways Andy could have gone here.I'm telling you guys. Michael Bush will be a stud in Oakland.A: What happens when they play against another team?B: That's good for 8 gamesC: Michael's a Horse?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

C: Michael's a Horse?

If he was, they'd have shot him when he broke his leg.

 

[FUBAR]

C: Michael's a Horse?

If he was, they'd have shot him when he broke his leg.

unless of course, he was good for breeding, as a stud.

 

[Jason Wood]

Given the way Kiffin answered the question about his relationship with Al Davis, I would say he's in no position to dictate what the team will or won't do on draft day. In fact, reading his statements about McFadden make me think Al WILL take him, and leave Lane sitting there wondering, "WTF did we take a RB when we have so many needs?

 

[perry147]

Given the way Kiffin answered the question about his relationship with Al Davis, I would say he's in no position to dictate what the team will or won't do on draft day. In fact, reading his statements about McFadden make me think Al WILL take him, and leave Lane sitting there wondering, "WTF did we take a RB when we have so many needs?

Al would do it just to humiliate Kiffin because he would not resign.

 

[T Man]

The possibilities are :

1. Kiffin is talking to irritate AL and get himself fired (so he can collect the pay);

2. Kiffin is young and just answers questions accurately without thinking of the consequences;

3. Kiffin is trying to let teams who want McFadden know that they can trade with the Raiders;

4. Kiffin is setting up the smokescreen so that the Raiders can draft McFadden.

My thought is that it is a combination of 1 and 3. He figures he can talk openly -- the worst that can happen is that Al fires him, but he builds relationships in the process he can usse for his next job. AND he knows that if he does stay, the Raiders needs are elsewhere - and he wants to get more players so that he can improve a little each year he remains.

 

[King of the Wolfies]

I'm telling you guys. Michael Bush will be a stud in Oakland.

What happens when they play against another team?

Not sure what that is suppose to me.I know sometimes you really, really, want to say something funny, but if the joke isn't there you have to let it go.

Other people got it.

 

[CalBear]

Why would Kiffin bother to lie about this? Who would he be smokescreening? Do you think the Falcons would pass on McFadden with the idea that "well, the Raiders don't want him, so maybe we'll be able to get him with our second-round pick"? The Chiefs aren't going to take McFadden. The Jets will have their own draft board, and McFadden will be in the same place on that board no matter what Kiffin says; if McFadden's at the top, they'll take him.

I think Kiffin is just stating the obvious; they made moves to keep their current running backs in the off-season, and they're not going to take McFadden.

 

[massraider]

I think Lane was telling the truth. A reverse smokescreen, if you will.

I certainly don't buy the theory that the Raiders are trying to auction McFadden for a trade. Who the heck is in a position to trade up to the number 4 spot, and then take a RB?? Trades among the op 5 spots are rare, and when it finally happens,it's gonna be for a RB? No freaking way.

If the Raiders trade down, as unlikely as I think that is, I think it's a lot more likely that Ryan, J. Long, or Gholston is the guy people are trying to get.

 

[massraider]

Why would Kiffin bother to lie about this?

The real answer:"Hmmm, I shoehorned McFadden into the Raiders spot in my mock, so there must be no validity to this statement. Must be a smokescreen...."

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Why would Kiffin bother to lie about this?

The real answer:"Hmmm, I shoehorned McFadden into the Raiders spot in my mock, so there must be no validity to this statement. Must be a smokescreen...."

I think you're overestimating the talent at the RB position if you think putting DMF to the Raiders is "shoehorning".But then, hope does spring eternal...

 

[Yitbos69]

Go ahead and explain it to me. I say stud in OaklandYou say what happens when they play against another team

See, he's scrimmaging against his teammates in Oakland. Given that their run defense was wretched last year, I'm sure he could be a stud in Oakland.Mileage may vary when he plays other teams, however.Lighten up.

Oh. I guess I didn't get it because his scrimmages never once entered my mind and I'm not sure how what I said made them enter yours. I'm just saying he will be a stud in Oakland. I'm pretty light already. Didn't mean to sound cranky. I just honestly didn't get it (and still don't really).

2 penguins in a bath tub one say pass the soap the other one says.....what do you think I am a typewriter....get it?

 

[Jason Wood]

Why would Kiffin bother to lie about this? Who would he be smokescreening? Do you think the Falcons would pass on McFadden with the idea that "well, the Raiders don't want him, so maybe we'll be able to get him with our second-round pick"? The Chiefs aren't going to take McFadden. The Jets will have their own draft board, and McFadden will be in the same place on that board no matter what Kiffin says; if McFadden's at the top, they'll take him.I think Kiffin is just stating the obvious; they made moves to keep their current running backs in the off-season, and they're not going to take McFadden.

I think he's speaking candidly; I just think he's got next to zero input into the decision. So while it may be entirely logical to avoid McFadden at the 4 spot, I don't think Lane's view on the matter should AT ALL serve as a harbinger to what Al Davis has planned on draft day.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Go ahead and explain it to me. I say stud in OaklandYou say what happens when they play against another team

See, he's scrimmaging against his teammates in Oakland. Given that their run defense was wretched last year, I'm sure he could be a stud in Oakland.Mileage may vary when he plays other teams, however.Lighten up.

Oh. I guess I didn't get it because his scrimmages never once entered my mind and I'm not sure how what I said made them enter yours. I'm just saying he will be a stud in Oakland. I'm pretty light already. Didn't mean to sound cranky. I just honestly didn't get it (and still don't really).

2 penguins in a bath tub one say pass the soap the other one says.....what do you think I am a typewriter....get it?

3rd pengiin says "Holy ####! Two talking penguins!! "

 

[Mr. Peterson]

I'm telling you guys. Michael Bush will be a stud in Oakland.

After reading what Kiffin said, that was the first thing that popped in my mind too. Fargas is not good enough to hold Bush off.

 

[massraider]

Why would Kiffin bother to lie about this?

The real answer:"Hmmm, I shoehorned McFadden into the Raiders spot in my mock, so there must be no validity to this statement. Must be a smokescreen...."

I think you're overestimating the talent at the RB position if you think putting DMF to the Raiders is "shoehorning".But then, hope does spring eternal...

Not at all. In fact, I am not a Bush guy, never have been, and would be shocked if Fargas didn't miss time." Davis loves the flashy move, he'll wanna make a splash with McFadden." This generally tends to be the extent of the analysis. Not very insightful or well thought out, and doesn't really hold up under closer examination. Raiders recent top 10 picks? Michael Huff, a safety. not very flashy. Gallery, a O-lineman. As unflashy as it gets. Russell, a QB. Flashy, right? Maybe, but not as flashy as Calvin Johnson.Frankly, I don't think you can look at the Raider draft history, current team needs, and talent pool in this draft, and come away with McFadden for this team. 4 of the top 10 prospects are DL. The Raiders DL was awful last year. They lost Warren Sapp, and here comes Dorsey and Ellis, two exceptional 3 tech prospects. They got no pass rush from the DE opposite Burgess, and looky here, here's Long and Ghoslton. My lord, Gholston plays a position of need, AND is a workout warrior!3 different backs looked good behind this line last year, as the ZBS installed by Tom Cable took hold. They re-signed Fargas to a nice deal. They have Michael Bush, one has to assume they'd like to see what he could do. Is there evidence they are throwing in the towel on Bush? They had problems everywhere on offense last year, EXCEPT in the running game.I think what Kiffin said made a lot of sense, and while I think a pinch of salt needs to come with ANY coaches comments this time of year, at face value his comments sound right on to me.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Good analysis massraider. And I've had a DT or DE going to the Raiders more often than not.

I'd be surprised if it wasn't one or the other.

 

[Yitbos69]

Go ahead and explain it to me.

I say stud in Oakland

You say what happens when they play against another team

See, he's scrimmaging against his teammates in Oakland. Given that their run defense was wretched last year, I'm sure he could be a stud in Oakland.Mileage may vary when he plays other teams, however.

Lighten up.

Oh. I guess I didn't get it because his scrimmages never once entered my mind and I'm not sure how what I said made them enter yours. I'm just saying he will be a stud in Oakland. I'm pretty light already. Didn't mean to sound cranky. I just honestly didn't get it (and still don't really).

2 penguins in a bath tub one say pass the soap the other one says.....what do you think I am a typewriter....get it?

3rd pengiin says "Holy ####! Two talking penguins!! "

yeah...how else would one propose two penguins communicate..........really

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Go ahead and explain it to me.

I say stud in Oakland

You say what happens when they play against another team

See, he's scrimmaging against his teammates in Oakland. Given that their run defense was wretched last year, I'm sure he could be a stud in Oakland.Mileage may vary when he plays other teams, however.

Lighten up.

Oh. I guess I didn't get it because his scrimmages never once entered my mind and I'm not sure how what I said made them enter yours. I'm just saying he will be a stud in Oakland. I'm pretty light already. Didn't mean to sound cranky. I just honestly didn't get it (and still don't really).

2 penguins in a bath tub one say pass the soap the other one says.....what do you think I am a typewriter....get it?

3rd pengiin says "Holy ####! Two talking penguins!! "

yeah...how else would one propose two penguins communicate..........really

Well we know it wouldn't be through sign language.

 

[Sebowski]

Go ahead and explain it to me. I say stud in OaklandYou say what happens when they play against another team

See, he's scrimmaging against his teammates in Oakland. Given that their run defense was wretched last year, I'm sure he could be a stud in Oakland.Mileage may vary when he plays other teams, however.Lighten up.

Oh. I guess I didn't get it because his scrimmages never once entered my mind and I'm not sure how what I said made them enter yours. I'm just saying he will be a stud in Oakland. I'm pretty light already. Didn't mean to sound cranky. I just honestly didn't get it (and still don't really).

Nothing quite like explaining a joke to ruin the thread.There's a few ways Andy could have gone here.I'm telling you guys. Michael Bush will be a stud in Oakland.A: What happens when they play against another team?B: That's good for 8 gamesC: Michael's a Horse?

I still say the joke makes no sense. Stud in Oakland, what happens when they play another team. It doesn't hold up. I think McFadden will be a for in New York. What happens when they play another team? Nope. Still doesn't work. B and C at least have some sense to them even if they aren't very funny. B shows your opinion of him being fragile which I guess would make the post worth while. C is just sarcastic for the sake of being sarcastic. Sarcasm does not always equal funny.

 

[SPM]

Go ahead and explain it to me. I say stud in OaklandYou say what happens when they play against another team

See, he's scrimmaging against his teammates in Oakland. Given that their run defense was wretched last year, I'm sure he could be a stud in Oakland.Mileage may vary when he plays other teams, however.Lighten up.

Oh. I guess I didn't get it because his scrimmages never once entered my mind and I'm not sure how what I said made them enter yours. I'm just saying he will be a stud in Oakland. I'm pretty light already. Didn't mean to sound cranky. I just honestly didn't get it (and still don't really).

Nothing quite like explaining a joke to ruin the thread.There's a few ways Andy could have gone here.I'm telling you guys. Michael Bush will be a stud in Oakland.A: What happens when they play against another team?B: That's good for 8 gamesC: Michael's a Horse?

I still say the joke makes no sense. Stud in Oakland, what happens when they play another team. It doesn't hold up. I think McFadden will be a for in New York. What happens when they play another team? Nope. Still doesn't work. B and C at least have some sense to them even if they aren't very funny. B shows your opinion of him being fragile which I guess would make the post worth while. C is just sarcastic for the sake of being sarcastic. Sarcasm does not always equal funny.

wow guy just give it up already

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Michael Bush- Over rated.

Fargas- Al's boy.

Jordan-?

If McFadden gets drafted by the Raiders, I would be surprised. But Al is crazy so who knows what He's thinking.

Will Bush be a stud, No. Will Kiffin make it to the end of the year,No. Will the Raiders win 8 games.

 

[trader jake]

wow guy just give it up already

Nice breakdown massraiders. We all know Al Davis could do anything but drafting McFadden doesn't seem like the best pick considering the Raiders needs along the defensive line.

 

[LawFitz]

Kiffin appears comfortable in his role, surroundings

Williamson

By Bill Williamson

ESPN.com

PALM BEACH, Fla. -- Lane Kiffin has been cruising the tony breezeways of The Breakers resort in polo shirts with an emblazoned Raiders' shield covering his heart.

He is among the other NFL head coaches at the annual owners meeting. He is one of 32. For now and, presumably, for the rest of 2008.

"I am moving forward," Kiffin said Tuesday morning during an honest 50-minute media breakfast session in what were his first extensive words of what has been a bizarre, even by Raiders' standards, offseason.

Kiffin talked about the Raiders' kinetic offseason, which has been highlighted by owner Al Davis' throwing around money like Pacman Jones at a strip club. The Raiders have corralled cornerback DeAngelo Hall through a trade and have brought in big-dollar free agents Javon Walker (wide receiver) and Gibril Wilson (safety).

Kiffin talked about the possibility of the team trading out of the No. 4 spot in the draft in an attempt to make up for lost second- and third-rounders. He talked about the team not likely taking Arkansas star running back Darren McFadden because of a glut of tailbacks already in the fold. He talked about the importance of second-year QB JaMarcus Russell taking the next step.

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Although he admits his job is a difficult one, Lane Kiffin is focused on making it work in Oakland.

Kiffin talked like a coach in control.

Two months ago that seemed impossible. Two months ago, it seemed like Oakland would hiring its fifth coach in five years and its third in three straight seasons.

Yet, here is Kiffin, wearing the Silver and Black, ready for Year 2 at the age of 32.

How did we get here?

In January, it was reported by ESPN.com that Davis drafted a letter of resignation for Kiffin. Reports surfaced following Kiffin's 4-12 rookie season that Kiffin wanted to fire defensive coordinator Rob Ryan. The Raiders dismissed those reports and announced that Ryan was staying on as coordinator.

Kiffin reportedly was upset that he didn't have control of his coaching staff, leading Davis to ask for his resignation. Raiders PR man Mike Taylor, who sat next to Kiffin during his media session, said that Davis never drafted the letter. Kiffin was in Mobile, Ala., coaching in the Senior Bowl at the time of the reports and said then that he wouldn't comment on what "transpired in the past three weeks."

Asked about the speculation of his future Tuesday, Kiffin said "when there is smoke there is fire -- not everything was made up. But we're moving forward."

But Kiffin Tuesday said that he a good relationship.

When former San Diego coach James Lofton was added to the Oakland staff after the Senior Bowl, it was widely speculated that Lofton -- who had in the past interviewed for the Oakland gig and who has long had a fan in Davis -- could slide into the well-worn Raiders' head-coaching chair if Kiffin were to be fired. Yet, here he is Kiffin.

Two current NFL coaches riffed this week that Kiffin has the toughest job in the league. Judging by his comments Tuesday, Kiffin doesn't necessarily disagree, yet he isn't ready to shy away from his task, either. Kiffin, as forthcoming and as strong-willed as any Raiders coach since Jon Gruden, acknowledged roaming the sideline for the Raiders can be tough duty.

"It's not the easiest job in the world," said Kiffin, who has two years remaining on his contract. If Kiffin were to resign, he would not be paid for the remaining two years.

Asked about how to describe Davis, who did not travel to the owners meeting, Kiffin laughed and took a sip of water before answering.

"It's very unique," said Kiffin of working for Davis. "The way I look at it, we need each other to win. We have to make the best of our relationship … He's very hands on … He's very demanding. He's done a lot in this game. He prides himself on his football knowledge."

Kiffin said he had input in the team's offseason acquisitions this year and that he hopes to have the same input during the draft, but he was clear that Davis is the "general manager" of the team. Kiffin said if the moves Oakland made don't work, the hammer will likely fall on the coach.

"I don't worry about it," Kiffin said.

Kiffin has a likable way about him. He is truthful. He doesn't shy away from the fact that he is in a tough spot. But you get the sense that he relishes the chance; you get the feeling that he wants to be the one who makes it work in Oakland. He wants to turn around the program that has won a league-low 19 games in the past five seasons.

Perhaps that is why he's confident to say that things aren't always rosy in Oakland; why he believes he can be a rare survivor in Davis' universe.

Kiffin, who freely admitted he and Davis don't see "eye-to-eye," was asked if Davis listens to him. "He listens to me," Kiffin said. "I don't know what he does with it, but he listens to me."

And after a rocky first quarter of 2008, the Davis and Kiffin marriage continues. Somehow.

Bill Williamson covers the NFL for ESPN.com.

 

[LawFitz]

I think Kiff was shooting straight.

My personal prediction:

The Raiders will draft one of these four in this order -

C Long

Dorsey

Golston

Ellis

They may trade down but only if they get a king's ransom.

 

[Sebowski]

Go ahead and explain it to me. I say stud in OaklandYou say what happens when they play against another team:(

See, he's scrimmaging against his teammates in Oakland. Given that their run defense was wretched last year, I'm sure he could be a stud in Oakland.Mileage may vary when he plays other teams, however.Lighten up.

Oh. I guess I didn't get it because his scrimmages never once entered my mind and I'm not sure how what I said made them enter yours. I'm just saying he will be a stud in Oakland. I'm pretty light already. Didn't mean to sound cranky. I just honestly didn't get it (and still don't really).

Nothing quite like explaining a joke to ruin the thread.There's a few ways Andy could have gone here.I'm telling you guys. Michael Bush will be a stud in Oakland.A: What happens when they play against another team?B: That's good for 8 gamesC: Michael's a Horse?

I still say the joke makes no sense. Stud in Oakland, what happens when they play another team. It doesn't hold up. I think McFadden will be a for in New York. What happens when they play another team? Nope. Still doesn't work. B and C at least have some sense to them even if they aren't very funny. B shows your opinion of him being fragile which I guess would make the post worth while. C is just sarcastic for the sake of being sarcastic. Sarcasm does not always equal funny.

wow guy just give it up already

I thought I did. I didn't bring it back up. I just responded. You guys keep bumping it. I'm finding it all fairly humorous. I'll get back on topic. MassRaiderfan is right. All the professional mockers have the Raiders taking McFadden and all they ever say about it is that Al can't resist him. It is irresponsible reporting. Of course if it happens

 

[TheFanatic]

Go ahead and explain it to me. I say stud in OaklandYou say what happens when they play against another team

See, he's scrimmaging against his teammates in Oakland. Given that their run defense was wretched last year, I'm sure he could be a stud in Oakland.Mileage may vary when he plays other teams, however.Lighten up.

Oh. I guess I didn't get it because his scrimmages never once entered my mind and I'm not sure how what I said made them enter yours. I'm just saying he will be a stud in Oakland. I'm pretty light already. Didn't mean to sound cranky. I just honestly didn't get it (and still don't really).

2 penguins in a bath tub one say pass the soap the other one says.....what do you think I am a typewriter....get it?

3rd pengiin says "Holy ####! Two talking penguins!! "

Damn, I was going there. Still I laughed outloud.

 

[kremenull]

I think Kiff was shooting straight.

My personal prediction:

The Raiders will draft one of these four in this order -

C Long

Dorsey

Golston

Ellis

They may trade down but only if they get a king's ransom.

At least 2 of those guys, maybe even the top 3 you listed, will not even be available at #4. I'm one of the few who hasn't changed the Raiders pick since my first mock, in mid-January. It will be Darren McFadden, gents. Not a position of need, but after Peterson's performance last season, will Al be willing to let this guy get past him, a true (potential) INSTANT difference-maker?.......I'm putting the probability at 80/20 right now that DMac is the pick......but yeah, I wouldn't be shocked if Gholston, if he is somehow still available at #4 (25% chance), is the selection over McFadden. C.Long is Top 2, Dorsey is Top 3..........bet the farm, and the beach-house.