Killing Rampage near UC Santa Barbara (1 Viewer)

[PatsWillWin]

It's pretty hard to fathom that he could get to age 22 and never kiss a girl, isn't it? I also think it's pretty weird that he didn't go to a prostitute deciding to kill a bunch of innocent people and end his own life. If he was that focused on getting laid, and had some $$, what was stopping him? Ego?

I didn't kiss anyone until I was 21, and I was never really unpopular, just invisible to women and incapable of talking to them. And I don't think going to a pro would have made me feel better. I'd have felt worthless for having to resort to that option.

I get that, but I mean in an end of life scenario, why wouldn't you? I mean if you're 1000% obsessed with sex, why die a virgin?

It was less about actual sex and more that women didn't want to give him the sex, and instead gave it to the alpha male brutes. He focused on being a virgin, sure, but he also talked about loneliness, never having a girlfriend, etc. His main issue was that he was rejected by girls, by the popular kids, everyone on a whole.

Could he have been well served by seeing a pro? Sure. But I don't think he would've ended up married with two kids and a white picket fence.

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

It's pretty hard to fathom that he could get to age 22 and never kiss a girl, isn't it? I also think it's pretty weird that he didn't go to a prostitute deciding to kill a bunch of innocent people and end his own life. If he was that focused on getting laid, and had some $$, what was stopping him? Ego?

I didn't kiss anyone until I was 21, and I was never really unpopular, just invisible to women and incapable of talking to them. And I don't think going to a pro would have made me feel better. I'd have felt worthless for having to resort to that option.

I get that, but I mean in an end of life scenario, why wouldn't you? I mean if you're 1000% obsessed with sex, why die a virgin?

It was less about actual sex and more that women didn't want to give him the sex, and instead gave it to the alpha male brutes. He focused on being a virgin, sure, but he also talked about loneliness, never having a girlfriend, etc. His main issue was that he was rejected by girls, by the popular kids, everyone on a whole.

Could he have been well served by seeing a pro? Sure. But I don't think he would've ended up married with two kids and a white picket fence.

Mostly speculation on my part based on his manifesto and what I read of the situations, he had somewhat of an entitlement issue on top of everything else going on in his head so agree with this, not about the sex itself. His social ineptitude, however it manifested itself, translated to hating not just the women who were not giving him attention but also those who were getting that attention instead of him.

 

[PatsWillWin]

It's pretty hard to fathom that he could get to age 22 and never kiss a girl, isn't it? I also think it's pretty weird that he didn't go to a prostitute deciding to kill a bunch of innocent people and end his own life. If he was that focused on getting laid, and had some $$, what was stopping him? Ego?

I didn't kiss anyone until I was 21, and I was never really unpopular, just invisible to women and incapable of talking to them. And I don't think going to a pro would have made me feel better. I'd have felt worthless for having to resort to that option.

I get that, but I mean in an end of life scenario, why wouldn't you? I mean if you're 1000% obsessed with sex, why die a virgin?

It was less about actual sex and more that women didn't want to give him the sex, and instead gave it to the alpha male brutes. He focused on being a virgin, sure, but he also talked about loneliness, never having a girlfriend, etc. His main issue was that he was rejected by girls, by the popular kids, everyone on a whole.

Could he have been well served by seeing a pro? Sure. But I don't think he would've ended up married with two kids and a white picket fence.

Mostly speculation on my part based on his manifesto and what I read of the situations, he had somewhat of an entitlement issue on top of everything else going on in his head so agree with this, not about the sex itself. His social ineptitude, however it manifested itself, translated to hating not just the women who were not giving him attention but also those who were getting that attention instead of him.

I'm going to butcher it, but one of his lines in the last video was how they all deserved to die just for the "crime of having a better life than me."

 

[StrikeS2k]

I think this thread is as good a place as any to discuss gun control. Although Rodger apparently made legal purchases so not much could be done about that unless we start releasing all medical records to the state so they can go into the background check system, which doesn't sound like a great idea (but I am open to hearing well reasoned arguments for that).

If, however, the police knew he owned three guns prior to interviewing him perhaps they would have not been so quick to consider him harmless.

We'll never know.

It's this line of thinking that turns EVERY thread about a tragedy where a gun was involved in to a gun control thread. Personally, I'd prefer we just focused on the tragedy. It gets tiring when every one of these threads becomes the gun control thread, especially considering the numberous *official* gun control threads that exist.

 

[Freelove]

I think this thread is as good a place as any to discuss gun control. Although Rodger apparently made legal purchases so not much could be done about that unless we start releasing all medical records to the state so they can go into the background check system, which doesn't sound like a great idea (but I am open to hearing well reasoned arguments for that).

If, however, the police knew he owned three guns prior to interviewing him perhaps they would have not been so quick to consider him harmless.

We'll never know.

Personally, I'd prefer we just focused on the tragedy.

Except that here, several days later, nine pages and several hundred posts in, here you are making your very first post in the thread.

Turns out you don't want to focus on the tragedy in the least. You merely want to focus on keeping the talk away from the role guns had in it.

I'm new enough here that I don't know your politics simply by looking at your screen name, but I feel virtually certain I can guess them, given these facts.

 

[timschochet]

Actually I agree with Strike (for once!) I had no intention of turning this into a gun control thread, especially when I am convinced that nothing reasonable could have been done to prevent this from a gun control angle. Later on I did raise the question about seizing guns from mentally ill people beforehand, but it was in the form of a question, not an argument (I have no argument to make.)

This was a horrifying event, close enough to me that I personalized it That was an honest response on my part, not an attempt to take over the discussion or make it about me. That wasn't my intent.

It was an evil act, and I don't believe that Aspergers or mental illness or bullying or lack of girls was the decisive factor. The decisive factor, IMO, was that this guy chose to be evil.

 

[StrikeS2k]

I think this thread is as good a place as any to discuss gun control. Although Rodger apparently made legal purchases so not much could be done about that unless we start releasing all medical records to the state so they can go into the background check system, which doesn't sound like a great idea (but I am open to hearing well reasoned arguments for that).

If, however, the police knew he owned three guns prior to interviewing him perhaps they would have not been so quick to consider him harmless.

We'll never know.

Personally, I'd prefer we just focused on the tragedy.

Except that here, several days later, nine pages and several hundred posts in, here you are making your very first post in the thread.

Turns out you don't want to focus on the tragedy in the least. You merely want to focus on keeping the talk away from the role guns had in it.

I'm new enough here that I don't know your politics simply by looking at your screen name, but I feel virtually certain I can guess them, given these facts.

Just because I've only been reading this thread and not posting in it doesn't mean I haven't been following this incident or have thoughts on it. Not sure where you're going with this but I'd suggest you look at the thread on Newtown or any of the other tragedies in a similar vein. They devolve in to pissing matches from the anti and pro gun control nuts. My post has nothing to do with politics. It has to do with common courtesy and appropriate venues for certain types of discussion. I feel that thread such as this should be focused on the humanity of the situation and not the politics of the instrument used to cause such a tragedy.

 

[sublimeone]

The manifesto is very interesting. He was a good writer and while obviously this was a heinous act he really gets you inside his mind. I don't think I've ever read anything like this. I find myself feeling sympathetic for this cold-blooded killer.

As interesting as his writing is, I wonder if all the publicity is a good idea. This copy-cat style has been going on since Columbine and every time it happens the killer becomes the number one story in the country for the next week+. You have to wonder how much this contributes to the copycats over the last 15 years or so.

 

[timschochet]

The manifesto is very interesting. He was a good writer and while obviously this was a heinous act he really gets you inside his mind. I don't think I've ever read anything like this. I find myself feeling sympathetic for this cold-blooded killer.

As interesting as his writing is, I wonder if all the publicity is a good idea. This copy-cat style has been going on since Columbine and every time it happens the killer becomes the number one story in the country for the next week+. You have to wonder how much this contributes to the copycats over the last 15 years or so.

It's a good point. I don't think the publicity IS a good idea, frankly.

But on the other hand, what's to be done? You can't blame the media; people want to know.

 

[cstu]

I do care about Politician Spock's story and I wish his family well. I do.

But it is just the slightest bit amusing to me that somehow this thread has become all about Politician Spock.

You just can't keep your mouth shut can you. Very uncool post Tim considering that he has a child that likely has Aspergers. It doesn't sound like there is anything amusing with what they deal with regarding their child.

Wow people really have a blind spot for Tim. I empathize with PS, but this thread as essentially turned into what he ripped Tim for.

I had no desire for anyone to associate my son to the killer. But people in this thread did it. So I spoke up to defend not only my son, but the hundreds of thousands who also have it. They're not killers.

It sounds to me like your more worried about what people will think of you than what people will think of your son.

 

[cstu]

Question: would you guys be willing to accept a law that if someone is found to be mentally ill, the police would have the right to search his belongings and seize whatever firearms he already possesses?

Define mentally ill.

 

[Politician Spock]

I do care about Politician Spock's story and I wish his family well. I do.

But it is just the slightest bit amusing to me that somehow this thread has become all about Politician Spock.

You just can't keep your mouth shut can you. Very uncool post Tim considering that he has a child that likely has Aspergers. It doesn't sound like there is anything amusing with what they deal with regarding their child.

Wow people really have a blind spot for Tim. I empathize with PS, but this thread as essentially turned into what he ripped Tim for.

I had no desire for anyone to associate my son to the killer. But people in this thread did it. So I spoke up to defend not only my son, but the hundreds of thousands who also have it. They're not killers.

It sounds to me like your more worried about what people will think of you than what people will think of your son.

It appears that way only because people felt the need to question my parenting decisions, and I responded to them.

In hindsight, I should have just let people continue to blame the incident on aspergers despite how wrong they are. Now I am in a position where I've shared more about me personally than I ever intended to, and people are going to take their digs because.... well.... they're #######s.

 

[UniAlias]

The manifesto is very interesting. He was a good writer and while obviously this was a heinous act he really gets you inside his mind. I don't think I've ever read anything like this. I find myself feeling sympathetic for this cold-blooded killer.

As interesting as his writing is, I wonder if all the publicity is a good idea. This copy-cat style has been going on since Columbine and every time it happens the killer becomes the number one story in the country for the next week+. You have to wonder how much this contributes to the copycats over the last 15 years or so.

I thought it was a very interesting read but I never really felt sympathetic towards him. Seemed like his attitude on life (even from an early age in some of the events he mentioned) was generally pretty despicable.

He mentions several times that he told his mother it was her fault that his life was so miserable because she wouldn't marry a rich guy and provide him with wealth he deserved. Stuff like that just makes me realize how truly delusional he really was.

 

[Binky The Doormat]

I do care about Politician Spock's story and I wish his family well. I do.

But it is just the slightest bit amusing to me that somehow this thread has become all about Politician Spock.

You just can't keep your mouth shut can you. Very uncool post Tim considering that he has a child that likely has Aspergers. It doesn't sound like there is anything amusing with what they deal with regarding their child.

Wow people really have a blind spot for Tim. I empathize with PS, but this thread as essentially turned into what he ripped Tim for.

I had no desire for anyone to associate my son to the killer. But people in this thread did it. So I spoke up to defend not only my son, but the hundreds of thousands who also have it. They're not killers.

It sounds to me like your more worried about what people will think of you than what people will think of your son.

It appears that way only because people felt the need to question my parenting decisions, and I responded to them.

In hindsight, I should have just let people continue to blame the incident on aspergers despite how wrong they are. Now I am in a position where I've shared more about me personally than I ever intended to, and people are going to take their digs because.... well.... they're #######s.

Are you gonna start making some car videos?

 

[Ookie Pringle]

Question: would you guys be willing to accept a law that if someone is found to be mentally ill, the police would have the right to search his belongings and seize whatever firearms he already possesses?

Define mentally ill.

10,000 + posts a year on an internet message board.

 

[cstu]

It's pretty hard to fathom that he could get to age 22 and never kiss a girl, isn't it? I also think it's pretty weird that he didn't go to a prostitute deciding to kill a bunch of innocent people and end his own life. If he was that focused on getting laid, and had some $$, what was stopping him? Ego?

I didn't kiss anyone until I was 21, and I was never really unpopular, just invisible to women and incapable of talking to them. And I don't think going to a pro would have made me feel better. I'd have felt worthless for having to resort to that option.

I get that, but I mean in an end of life scenario, why wouldn't you? I mean if you're 1000% obsessed with sex, why die a virgin?

Because it was never about sex.

 

[cstu]

Question: would you guys be willing to accept a law that if someone is found to be mentally ill, the police would have the right to search his belongings and seize whatever firearms he already possesses?

Define mentally ill.

10,000 + posts a year on an internet message board.

Woo hoo, I'm not quite mentally ill!

The manifesto is very interesting. He was a good writer and while obviously this was a heinous act he really gets you inside his mind. I don't think I've ever read anything like this. I find myself feeling sympathetic for this cold-blooded killer.

As interesting as his writing is, I wonder if all the publicity is a good idea. This copy-cat style has been going on since Columbine and every time it happens the killer becomes the number one story in the country for the next week+. You have to wonder how much this contributes to the copycats over the last 15 years or so.

I thought it was a very interesting read but I never really felt sympathetic towards him. Seemed like his attitude on life (even from an early age in some of the events he mentioned) was generally pretty despicable.

He mentions several times that he told his mother it was her fault that his life was so miserable because she wouldn't marry a rich guy and provide him with wealth he deserved. Stuff like that just makes me realize how truly delusional he really was.

No doubt he was delusional but I also believe his upbringing and the values of his parents played a huge part in what he became.

 

[UniAlias]

How would you know what his upbringing and the values of his parents even were??

He definitely loves to blame his parents for many of his problems throughout the manifesto but I'm not sure if the evidence supports that. Even during the last few months of his life it seems (to me anyway) that his parents were active and concerned with getting him help.

 

[krista4]

I like this Freelove guy.

 

[timschochet]

Question: would you guys be willing to accept a law that if someone is found to be mentally ill, the police would have the right to search his belongings and seize whatever firearms he already possesses?

Define mentally ill.

10,000 + posts a year on an internet message board.

That's as good a definition as any!

 

[timschochet]

I do care about Politician Spock's story and I wish his family well. I do.

But it is just the slightest bit amusing to me that somehow this thread has become all about Politician Spock.

You just can't keep your mouth shut can you. Very uncool post Tim considering that he has a child that likely has Aspergers. It doesn't sound like there is anything amusing with what they deal with regarding their child.

Wow people really have a blind spot for Tim. I empathize with PS, but this thread as essentially turned into what he ripped Tim for.

I had no desire for anyone to associate my son to the killer. But people in this thread did it. So I spoke up to defend not only my son, but the hundreds of thousands who also have it. They're not killers.

It sounds to me like your more worried about what people will think of you than what people will think of your son.

It appears that way only because people felt the need to question my parenting decisions, and I responded to them.

In hindsight, I should have just let people continue to blame the incident on aspergers despite how wrong they are. Now I am in a position where I've shared more about me personally than I ever intended to, and people are going to take their digs because.... well.... they're #######s.

Sucks, doesn't it? Whining about it doesn't help, though.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

I do care about Politician Spock's story and I wish his family well. I do.

But it is just the slightest bit amusing to me that somehow this thread has become all about Politician Spock.

You just can't keep your mouth shut can you. Very uncool post Tim considering that he has a child that likely has Aspergers. It doesn't sound like there is anything amusing with what they deal with regarding their child.

Wow people really have a blind spot for Tim. I empathize with PS, but this thread as essentially turned into what he ripped Tim for.

I had no desire for anyone to associate my son to the killer. But people in this thread did it. So I spoke up to defend not only my son, but the hundreds of thousands who also have it. They're not killers.

It sounds to me like your more worried about what people will think of you than what people will think of your son.

It appears that way only because people felt the need to question my parenting decisions, and I responded to them.

In hindsight, I should have just let people continue to blame the incident on aspergers despite how wrong they are. Now I am in a position where I've shared more about me personally than I ever intended to, and people are going to take their digs because.... well.... they're #######s.

Whining about it doesn't help, though.

Yet you still do.

 

[sublimeone]

The manifesto is very interesting. He was a good writer and while obviously this was a heinous act he really gets you inside his mind. I don't think I've ever read anything like this. I find myself feeling sympathetic for this cold-blooded killer.

As interesting as his writing is, I wonder if all the publicity is a good idea. This copy-cat style has been going on since Columbine and every time it happens the killer becomes the number one story in the country for the next week+. You have to wonder how much this contributes to the copycats over the last 15 years or so.

I thought it was a very interesting read but I never really felt sympathetic towards him. Seemed like his attitude on life (even from an early age in some of the events he mentioned) was generally pretty despicable.

He mentions several times that he told his mother it was her fault that his life was so miserable because she wouldn't marry a rich guy and provide him with wealth he deserved. Stuff like that just makes me realize how truly delusional he really was.

Taking his manifesto at face value, it sounds like the culture he was raised in did him no favors. His attitudes were absolutely despicable but I wonder if he would have went on this rampage if he were raised in a more normal environment, if his father wasn't as image conscious as he seemed to be, if he weren't attending Hollywood premiers and driving a bmw at age 22. I'm not blaming it on the culture or his upbringing but I think it definitely contributed.

 

[Otis]

I think this thread is as good a place as any to discuss gun control. Although Rodger apparently made legal purchases so not much could be done about that unless we start releasing all medical records to the state so they can go into the background check system, which doesn't sound like a great idea (but I am open to hearing well reasoned arguments for that).

If, however, the police knew he owned three guns prior to interviewing him perhaps they would have not been so quick to consider him harmless.

We'll never know.

It's this line of thinking that turns EVERY thread about a tragedy where a gun was involved in to a gun control thread. Personally, I'd prefer we just focused on the tragedy. It gets tiring when every one of these threads becomes the gun control thread, especially considering the numberous *official* gun control threads that exist.

Maybe that just shows you how pervasive the problem is.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

I do care about Politician Spock's story and I wish his family well. I do.

But it is just the slightest bit amusing to me that somehow this thread has become all about Politician Spock.

You just can't keep your mouth shut can you. Very uncool post Tim considering that he has a child that likely has Aspergers. It doesn't sound like there is anything amusing with what they deal with regarding their child.

Wow people really have a blind spot for Tim. I empathize with PS, but this thread as essentially turned into what he ripped Tim for.

I had no desire for anyone to associate my son to the killer. But people in this thread did it. So I spoke up to defend not only my son, but the hundreds of thousands who also have it. They're not killers.

It sounds to me like your more worried about what people will think of you than what people will think of your son.

It appears that way only because people felt the need to question my parenting decisions, and I responded to them.

In hindsight, I should have just let people continue to blame the incident on aspergers despite how wrong they are. Now I am in a position where I've shared more about me personally than I ever intended to, and people are going to take their digs because.... well.... they're #######s.

Experts agree that people with people with Aspergers are not dangerous and that most likely the Rodger kid had other problems.

There are thousands of violent crimes every year, and I would guess a very small percentage are committed by people with Aspergers.

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

I was a late bloomer sexually. An only child, moved around a lot and wasn't of the attractive variety.

Before I got laid in late HS, all I could think about was getting laid and it really bothered me I couldn't buy a GF to save my life. My friends thought I was crazy. Of course, they all had experienced love, sex...

Once it finally happened for me, it became such a less of a focus in my life. I definitely think the kid had problems far beyond getting a girl, but I can understand his obsession with wanting to experience the female relationship and being unable to do so.

 

[Todd Andrews]

That kid needed a job and a kick in his ### when he was 15. I do blame his parents for not knowing how completely screwed up their kid was and for ignoring him and just giving him things. How can your child drop out of every college class for something like two years and you dont know about it? How can your kid live in World of Warcraft from the ages of 12 - 18? While they certainly didnt commit the heinous crimes, his parents were clearly self-involved narcissistic crappy non-parents. Kids are formed by their parents and families and while they did not give him mental illness, they certainly shaped his disgusting worldview which appears to be almost solely based on a massively out of proportion sense of entitlement, from which all of his other sick delusions seem to flow.

 

[timschochet]

That kid needed a job and a kick in his ### when he was 15. I do blame his parents for not knowing how completely screwed up their kid was and for ignoring him and just giving him things. How can your child drop out of every college class for something like two years and you dont know about it? How can your kid live in World of Warcraft from the ages of 12 - 18? While they certainly didnt commit the heinous crimes, his parents were clearly self-involved narcissistic crappy non-parents. Kids are formed by their parents and families and while they did not give him mental illness, they certainly shaped his disgusting worldview which appears to be almost solely based on a massively out of proportion sense of entitlement, from which all of his other sick delusions seem to flow.

I just don't agree with this. It's true to a certain extent, but there are LOTS of kids with lousy parents. There are LOTS of kids who are loners, and can't get a girl to save their lives, and have "disgusting worldviews". And 99.99% of them don't go around shooting people.

Beyond all of the elements, both genetic and nurture, that went into forming this kid, he chose of his own volition to commit evil.

 

[Kal El]

Calling himself a god? That's pretty egomaniacal, and signs of a serious problem.

The irony is thick around these parts.

Hey, just because I can leap tall buildings in a single bound doesn't mean I have a giant ego.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

That kid needed a job and a kick in his ### when he was 15. I do blame his parents for not knowing how completely screwed up their kid was and for ignoring him and just giving him things. How can your child drop out of every college class for something like two years and you dont know about it? How can your kid live in World of Warcraft from the ages of 12 - 18? While they certainly didnt commit the heinous crimes, his parents were clearly self-involved narcissistic crappy non-parents. Kids are formed by their parents and families and while they did not give him mental illness, they certainly shaped his disgusting worldview which appears to be almost solely based on a massively out of proportion sense of entitlement, from which all of his other sick delusions seem to flow.

I just don't agree with this. It's true to a certain extent, but there are LOTS of kids with lousy parents. There are LOTS of kids who are loners, and can't get a girl to save their lives, and have "disgusting worldviews". And 99.99% of them don't go around shooting people.Beyond all of the elements, both genetic and nurture, that went into forming this kid, he chose of his own volition to commit evil.

It is a matter of perspective. He saw women as evil and himself as the victim.

 

[timschochet]

That kid needed a job and a kick in his ### when he was 15. I do blame his parents for not knowing how completely screwed up their kid was and for ignoring him and just giving him things. How can your child drop out of every college class for something like two years and you dont know about it? How can your kid live in World of Warcraft from the ages of 12 - 18? While they certainly didnt commit the heinous crimes, his parents were clearly self-involved narcissistic crappy non-parents. Kids are formed by their parents and families and while they did not give him mental illness, they certainly shaped his disgusting worldview which appears to be almost solely based on a massively out of proportion sense of entitlement, from which all of his other sick delusions seem to flow.

I just don't agree with this. It's true to a certain extent, but there are LOTS of kids with lousy parents. There are LOTS of kids who are loners, and can't get a girl to save their lives, and have "disgusting worldviews". And 99.99% of them don't go around shooting people.Beyond all of the elements, both genetic and nurture, that went into forming this kid, he chose of his own volition to commit evil.

It is a matter of perspective. He saw women as evil and himself as the victim.

So did August Strindberg. But he didn't go around killing people either. That's the evil part.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

That kid needed a job and a kick in his ### when he was 15. I do blame his parents for not knowing how completely screwed up their kid was and for ignoring him and just giving him things. How can your child drop out of every college class for something like two years and you dont know about it? How can your kid live in World of Warcraft from the ages of 12 - 18? While they certainly didnt commit the heinous crimes, his parents were clearly self-involved narcissistic crappy non-parents. Kids are formed by their parents and families and while they did not give him mental illness, they certainly shaped his disgusting worldview which appears to be almost solely based on a massively out of proportion sense of entitlement, from which all of his other sick delusions seem to flow.

The parents said they did not know how much time he spent playing video games. How is that possible?! He probably spent a lot of time on his own because they are in the movie business.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

That kid needed a job and a kick in his ### when he was 15. I do blame his parents for not knowing how completely screwed up their kid was and for ignoring him and just giving him things. How can your child drop out of every college class for something like two years and you dont know about it? How can your kid live in World of Warcraft from the ages of 12 - 18? While they certainly didnt commit the heinous crimes, his parents were clearly self-involved narcissistic crappy non-parents. Kids are formed by their parents and families and while they did not give him mental illness, they certainly shaped his disgusting worldview which appears to be almost solely based on a massively out of proportion sense of entitlement, from which all of his other sick delusions seem to flow.

I just don't agree with this. It's true to a certain extent, but there are LOTS of kids with lousy parents. There are LOTS of kids who are loners, and can't get a girl to save their lives, and have "disgusting worldviews". And 99.99% of them don't go around shooting people.Beyond all of the elements, both genetic and nurture, that went into forming this kid, he chose of his own volition to commit evil.

It is a matter of perspective. He saw women as evil and himself as the victim.

So did August Strindberg. But he didn't go around killing people either. That's the evil part.

I don't know August Strindberg. Is he your friend?

 

[timschochet]

That kid needed a job and a kick in his ### when he was 15. I do blame his parents for not knowing how completely screwed up their kid was and for ignoring him and just giving him things. How can your child drop out of every college class for something like two years and you dont know about it? How can your kid live in World of Warcraft from the ages of 12 - 18? While they certainly didnt commit the heinous crimes, his parents were clearly self-involved narcissistic crappy non-parents. Kids are formed by their parents and families and while they did not give him mental illness, they certainly shaped his disgusting worldview which appears to be almost solely based on a massively out of proportion sense of entitlement, from which all of his other sick delusions seem to flow.

I just don't agree with this. It's true to a certain extent, but there are LOTS of kids with lousy parents. There are LOTS of kids who are loners, and can't get a girl to save their lives, and have "disgusting worldviews". And 99.99% of them don't go around shooting people.Beyond all of the elements, both genetic and nurture, that went into forming this kid, he chose of his own volition to commit evil.

It is a matter of perspective. He saw women as evil and himself as the victim.

So did August Strindberg. But he didn't go around killing people either. That's the evil part.

I don't know August Strindberg. Is he your friend?

Famous playwright who hated women.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

That kid needed a job and a kick in his ### when he was 15. I do blame his parents for not knowing how completely screwed up their kid was and for ignoring him and just giving him things. How can your child drop out of every college class for something like two years and you dont know about it? How can your kid live in World of Warcraft from the ages of 12 - 18? While they certainly didnt commit the heinous crimes, his parents were clearly self-involved narcissistic crappy non-parents. Kids are formed by their parents and families and while they did not give him mental illness, they certainly shaped his disgusting worldview which appears to be almost solely based on a massively out of proportion sense of entitlement, from which all of his other sick delusions seem to flow.

I just don't agree with this. It's true to a certain extent, but there are LOTS of kids with lousy parents. There are LOTS of kids who are loners, and can't get a girl to save their lives, and have "disgusting worldviews". And 99.99% of them don't go around shooting people.Beyond all of the elements, both genetic and nurture, that went into forming this kid, he chose of his own volition to commit evil.

It is a matter of perspective. He saw women as evil and himself as the victim.

So did August Strindberg. But he didn't go around killing people either. That's the evil part.

I don't know August Strindberg. Is he your friend?

Famous playwright who hated women.

I'm getting text alerts on urban flash floods here. We don't have time to waste on obscure playwrights.

 

[krista4]

That kid needed a job and a kick in his ### when he was 15. I do blame his parents for not knowing how completely screwed up their kid was and for ignoring him and just giving him things. How can your child drop out of every college class for something like two years and you dont know about it? How can your kid live in World of Warcraft from the ages of 12 - 18? While they certainly didnt commit the heinous crimes, his parents were clearly self-involved narcissistic crappy non-parents. Kids are formed by their parents and families and while they did not give him mental illness, they certainly shaped his disgusting worldview which appears to be almost solely based on a massively out of proportion sense of entitlement, from which all of his other sick delusions seem to flow.

The parents said they did not know how much time he spent playing video games. How is that possible?! He probably spent a lot of time on his own because they are in the movie business.

Something I had found bizarre (which I'm sure you guys will let me know if I'm misremembering) is that when his mom saw the YouTube videos, she called one of his therapists, who called someone else, who had the police come over. No "mom sees this and comes to his place to see what's up" or "mom calls him herself". It was an odd, detached way of handling. That said, as many others have pointed out, people with ####ty parents don't go committing mass murders because of that. He was born way off and then other factors might have contributed.

 

[krista4]

That kid needed a job and a kick in his ### when he was 15. I do blame his parents for not knowing how completely screwed up their kid was and for ignoring him and just giving him things. How can your child drop out of every college class for something like two years and you dont know about it? How can your kid live in World of Warcraft from the ages of 12 - 18? While they certainly didnt commit the heinous crimes, his parents were clearly self-involved narcissistic crappy non-parents. Kids are formed by their parents and families and while they did not give him mental illness, they certainly shaped his disgusting worldview which appears to be almost solely based on a massively out of proportion sense of entitlement, from which all of his other sick delusions seem to flow.

I just don't agree with this. It's true to a certain extent, but there are LOTS of kids with lousy parents. There are LOTS of kids who are loners, and can't get a girl to save their lives, and have "disgusting worldviews". And 99.99% of them don't go around shooting people.Beyond all of the elements, both genetic and nurture, that went into forming this kid, he chose of his own volition to commit evil.

It is a matter of perspective. He saw women as evil and himself as the victim.

So did August Strindberg. But he didn't go around killing people either. That's the evil part.

I don't know August Strindberg. Is he your friend?

Famous playwright who hated women.

I'm getting text alerts on urban flash floods here. We don't have time to waste on obscure playwrights.

Obscure.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

It's pretty hard to fathom that he could get to age 22 and never kiss a girl, isn't it? I also think it's pretty weird that he didn't go to a prostitute deciding to kill a bunch of innocent people and end his own life. If he was that focused on getting laid, and had some $$, what was stopping him? Ego?

I didn't kiss anyone until I was 21, and I was never really unpopular, just invisible to women and incapable of talking to them. And I don't think going to a pro would have made me feel better. I'd have felt worthless for having to resort to that option.

I get that, but I mean in an end of life scenario, why wouldn't you? I mean if you're 1000% obsessed with sex, why die a virgin?

If he'd been obsessed with sex, he would have gone to a prostitute.

The fact that he didn't go to a prostitute means that he was obsessed with something else -- something you can't get from a prostitute. Something like being found genuinely sexually desirable, perhaps.

 

[Todd Andrews]

That kid needed a job and a kick in his ### when he was 15. I do blame his parents for not knowing how completely screwed up their kid was and for ignoring him and just giving him things. How can your child drop out of every college class for something like two years and you dont know about it? How can your kid live in World of Warcraft from the ages of 12 - 18? While they certainly didnt commit the heinous crimes, his parents were clearly self-involved narcissistic crappy non-parents. Kids are formed by their parents and families and while they did not give him mental illness, they certainly shaped his disgusting worldview which appears to be almost solely based on a massively out of proportion sense of entitlement, from which all of his other sick delusions seem to flow.

I just don't agree with this. It's true to a certain extent, but there are LOTS of kids with lousy parents. There are LOTS of kids who are loners, and can't get a girl to save their lives, and have "disgusting worldviews". And 99.99% of them don't go around shooting people.

Beyond all of the elements, both genetic and nurture, that went into forming this kid, he chose of his own volition to commit evil.

Which is why I repeatedly pointed out that you cant blame his parents for his vile acts, just for their horrible job at parenting. They certainly helped create and maintained his deluded sense of entitlement.

 

[Freelove]

That kid needed a job and a kick in his ### when he was 15. I do blame his parents for not knowing how completely screwed up their kid was and for ignoring him and just giving him things. How can your child drop out of every college class for something like two years and you dont know about it? How can your kid live in World of Warcraft from the ages of 12 - 18? While they certainly didnt commit the heinous crimes, his parents were clearly self-involved narcissistic crappy non-parents. Kids are formed by their parents and families and while they did not give him mental illness, they certainly shaped his disgusting worldview which appears to be almost solely based on a massively out of proportion sense of entitlement, from which all of his other sick delusions seem to flow.

I just don't agree with this. It's true to a certain extent, but there are LOTS of kids with lousy parents. There are LOTS of kids who are loners, and can't get a girl to save their lives, and have "disgusting worldviews". And 99.99% of them don't go around shooting people.Beyond all of the elements, both genetic and nurture, that went into forming this kid, he chose of his own volition to commit evil.

It is a matter of perspective. He saw women as evil and himself as the victim.

So did August Strindberg. But he didn't go around killing people either. That's the evil part.

I don't know August Strindberg. Is he your friend?

Famous playwright who hated women.

I'm getting text alerts on urban flash floods here. We don't have time to waste on obscure playwrights.

Obscure.

From The Compleat Footballguy, vol. XIX, ch. 23.

Full list of every playwright, ever:

1. Shakespeare

2. The obscure ones

 

[Quez]

It's pretty hard to fathom that he could get to age 22 and never kiss a girl, isn't it? I also think it's pretty weird that he didn't go to a prostitute deciding to kill a bunch of innocent people and end his own life. If he was that focused on getting laid, and had some $$, what was stopping him? Ego?

I didn't kiss anyone until I was 21, and I was never really unpopular, just invisible to women and incapable of talking to them. And I don't think going to a pro would have made me feel better. I'd have felt worthless for having to resort to that option.

I get that, but I mean in an end of life scenario, why wouldn't you? I mean if you're 1000% obsessed with sex, why die a virgin?

If he'd been obsessed with sex, he would have gone to a prostitute.

The fact that he didn't go to a prostitute means that he was obsessed with something else -- something you can't get from a prostitute. Something like being found genuinely sexually desirable, perhaps.

Yeah he just wanted attention and people to admire him like he was a cool & popular kid. He said at the age of puberty he noticed a shift in people's status was directly tied to how many girls they got and how popular they were with the opposite sex. Unlike before when your status was determined by how good you were at skateboarding or the size of your Pokemon collection. This could be an example of the aspergers, and how they expect everything to follow rules. It was always pretty simple to him before. Good Pokemon collection = attention from peers. It's not that simple with the ladies no matter how hard he tried. BMW, clothes, looks, being a gentleman, etc. don't guarantee a girlfriend. You have to have a little bit of game and be able to talk to the opposite sex.

 

[Chaka]

Some of you sure seem to know a lot about where to find prostitutes.

 

[Kal El]

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That kid needed a job and a kick in his ### when he was 15. I do blame his parents for not knowing how completely screwed up their kid was and for ignoring him and just giving him things. How can your child drop out of every college class for something like two years and you dont know about it? How can your kid live in World of Warcraft from the ages of 12 - 18? While they certainly didnt commit the heinous crimes, his parents were clearly self-involved narcissistic crappy non-parents. Kids are formed by their parents and families and while they did not give him mental illness, they certainly shaped his disgusting worldview which appears to be almost solely based on a massively out of proportion sense of entitlement, from which all of his other sick delusions seem to flow.

I just don't agree with this. It's true to a certain extent, but there are LOTS of kids with lousy parents. There are LOTS of kids who are loners, and can't get a girl to save their lives, and have "disgusting worldviews". And 99.99% of them don't go around shooting people.Beyond all of the elements, both genetic and nurture, that went into forming this kid, he chose of his own volition to commit evil.

It is a matter of perspective. He saw women as evil and himself as the victim.

So did August Strindberg. But he didn't go around killing people either. That's the evil part.

I don't know August Strindberg. Is he your friend?

Famous playwright who hated women.

I'm getting text alerts on urban flash floods here. We don't have time to waste on obscure playwrights.

Obscure.

Never saw any of his work, but I did notice in the 15 seconds of research that his views on women varied widely from dislike to being one of the earlier supporters of women's suffrage, he was married twice and had 5 children. So a man who clearly hated women was disgusted enough with them to have sex with 2 different women at least 5 times. Not really seeing a parallel here.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

I am familiar with Strindberg, but I think that GordanGekko is a better point of comparison as far as long-winded misogynistic rants go.

 

[Henry Ford]

Never saw any of his work, but I did notice in the 15 seconds of research that his views on women varied widely from dislike to being one of the earlier supporters of women's suffrage, he was married twice and had 5 children. So a man who clearly hated women was disgusted enough with them to have sex with 2 different women at least 5 times. Not really seeing a parallel here.

Pretty sure this kid would have had sex with two women at least five times if it was offered.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Calling himself a god? That's pretty egomaniacal, and signs of a serious problem.

The irony is thick around these parts.

Hey, just because I can leap tall buildings in a single bound doesn't mean I have a giant ego.

 

[Chase Stuart]

It's pretty hard to fathom that he could get to age 22 and never kiss a girl, isn't it? I also think it's pretty weird that he didn't go to a prostitute deciding to kill a bunch of innocent people and end his own life. If he was that focused on getting laid, and had some $$, what was stopping him? Ego?

I didn't kiss anyone until I was 21, and I was never really unpopular, just invisible to women and incapable of talking to them. And I don't think going to a pro would have made me feel better. I'd have felt worthless for having to resort to that option.

I get that, but I mean in an end of life scenario, why wouldn't you? I mean if you're 1000% obsessed with sex, why die a virgin?

If he'd been obsessed with sex, he would have gone to a prostitute.

The fact that he didn't go to a prostitute means that he was obsessed with something else -- something you can't get from a prostitute. Something like being found genuinely sexually desirable, perhaps.

That makes sense; I haven't read any of his manifesto or seen the videos, just followed this thread. But from what's been posted, it does seem like he was super angry at being a virgin. I wonder if it was a case where he didn't want to lose his virginity to a prostitute because he was holding out hope that one day he'd be united with Jennifer Lawrence or something. OTOH, I would still think as a "night before" kind of thing he would have gone to a particular lady.

 

[Spanky267]

It's pretty hard to fathom that he could get to age 22 and never kiss a girl, isn't it? I also think it's pretty weird that he didn't go to a prostitute deciding to kill a bunch of innocent people and end his own life. If he was that focused on getting laid, and had some $$, what was stopping him? Ego?

I didn't kiss anyone until I was 21, and I was never really unpopular, just invisible to women and incapable of talking to them. And I don't think going to a pro would have made me feel better. I'd have felt worthless for having to resort to that option.

I get that, but I mean in an end of life scenario, why wouldn't you? I mean if you're 1000% obsessed with sex, why die a virgin?

Why kill a bunch of seemingly random people because you are a virgin at 22?

 

[BRONG]

Haven't read all this, so sorry if it's been covered, but I would like to know exactly how that squid killed three grown men with a knife. One by one, I presume, but still...

 

[Kal El]

Never saw any of his work, but I did notice in the 15 seconds of research that his views on women varied widely from dislike to being one of the earlier supporters of women's suffrage, he was married twice and had 5 children. So a man who clearly hated women was disgusted enough with them to have sex with 2 different women at least 5 times. Not really seeing a parallel here.

Pretty sure this kid would have had sex with two women at least five times if it was offered.

My point exactly. I'm not sure what Tim was trying to do with the analogy.