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Kiper's Mock Draft (1 Viewer)
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WampusCat43
Footballguy
Being a Bengals fan, as long as he publishes his top 16 every year, I'll never have to be an Insider. 
Whiplash Inc.
Footballguy
Maclin to Oak would not be surprising at all.
Chachi
Footballguy
When is the last time the Raiders drafted a WR in round 1?I know the answer, I'm just trying to dispell a myth.
Chachi
Footballguy
I have Raji going to the Skins in my mock: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...p;#entry9839147That was 2 whole days ago and unfortunately I'd likely move him up in the next version with his Sr. day performances.
Sheriff66
Footballguy
Jerry Porter?
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Vladislav Tretiak
Footballguy
That's funnyBeing a Bengals fan, as long as he publishes his top 16 every year, I'll never have to be an Insider.
treat88
Footballguy
He's tailor made for the 49ers.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Everyone has SD tasking a RB in round 1, thank god cuase I dont think its gonna happen and it probably wont
Chachi
Footballguy
He wasn't a 1st rounder.
Chachi
Footballguy
Likely where he'll go in my next mock along with Jason Smith going to the Jaguars (since I totally left him out).
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Tim Brown?
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
Here is all 32 teams....Not "insider info"
http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?A...S0101/901220446
http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?A...S0101/901220446
Chachi
Footballguy
Bingo. That was in 1988, 20 years ago. I'm not sure why everyone thinks the Raiders draft speed WRs in round 1.
As a Philly fan, I’d love those picks. Does anybody think Oher will fall that far? I though he would be mid first round at the latest.
FUBAR
Footballguy
Yeah, but he was a BUST!!!
Sheriff66
Footballguy
I didn't think so, but I didn't think that Brown was the last one they drafted in the first...good stuff.
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TheBradyBunch
Footballguy
Kiper has 5 WR's in the first round! 
Some interesting picks and teams. A mix of some decent immediate opportunity but with enormous questionmarks at QB.
mightyeskimo
Footballguy
1. Detroit: QB Matthew Stafford, Georgia
2. St. Louis: OT Andre Smith, Alabama
3. Kansas City: QB Mark Sanchez, USC
4. Seattle: WR Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech
5. Cleveland: LB Aaron Curry, Wake Forest
6. Cincinnati: OT Jason Smith, Baylor
7. Oakland: WR Jeremy Maclin, Missouri
8. Jacksonville: OT Eugene Monroe, Virginia
9. Green Bay: CB Malcolm Jenkins, Ohio State
10. San Francisco: DE/OLB Aaron Maybin, Penn State
11. Buffalo: TE Brandon Pettigrew, Oklahoma State
12. Denver: DT B.J. Raji, Boston College
13. Washington: DE Brian Orakpo, Texas
14. New Orleans: CB Vontae Davis, Illinois
15. Houston: DE Everette Brown, Florida State
16. San Diego: RB Knowshon Moreno, Georgia
17. N.Y. Jets: WR Percy Harvin, Florida
18. Chicago: DE Tyson Jackson, LSU
19. Tampa Bay: QB Josh Freeman, Kansas State
20. Detroit: LB Rey Maualuga, USC
21. Philadelphia: RB Chris "Beanie" Wells, Ohio State
22. Minnesota: WR Hakeem Nicks, North Carolina
23. New England: LB Brian Cushing, USC
24. Atlanta: DE/OLB Larry English, Northern Illinois
25. Miami: WR Darrius Heyward-Bey, Maryland
26. Baltimore: CB D.J. Moore, Vanderbilt
27. Indianapolis: DT Peria Jerry, Mississippi
28. Philadelphia: OT Michael Oher, Mississippi
29. N.Y. Giants: LB James Laurinaitis, Ohio State
30. Tennessee: DE Michael Johnson, Georgia Tech
31. Arizona: RB LeSean McCoy, Pittsburgh
32. Pittsburgh: C Alex Mack, California
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2. St. Louis: OT Andre Smith, Alabama
3. Kansas City: QB Mark Sanchez, USC
4. Seattle: WR Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech
5. Cleveland: LB Aaron Curry, Wake Forest
6. Cincinnati: OT Jason Smith, Baylor
7. Oakland: WR Jeremy Maclin, Missouri
8. Jacksonville: OT Eugene Monroe, Virginia
9. Green Bay: CB Malcolm Jenkins, Ohio State
10. San Francisco: DE/OLB Aaron Maybin, Penn State
11. Buffalo: TE Brandon Pettigrew, Oklahoma State
12. Denver: DT B.J. Raji, Boston College
13. Washington: DE Brian Orakpo, Texas
14. New Orleans: CB Vontae Davis, Illinois
15. Houston: DE Everette Brown, Florida State
16. San Diego: RB Knowshon Moreno, Georgia
17. N.Y. Jets: WR Percy Harvin, Florida
18. Chicago: DE Tyson Jackson, LSU
19. Tampa Bay: QB Josh Freeman, Kansas State
20. Detroit: LB Rey Maualuga, USC
21. Philadelphia: RB Chris "Beanie" Wells, Ohio State
22. Minnesota: WR Hakeem Nicks, North Carolina
23. New England: LB Brian Cushing, USC
24. Atlanta: DE/OLB Larry English, Northern Illinois
25. Miami: WR Darrius Heyward-Bey, Maryland
26. Baltimore: CB D.J. Moore, Vanderbilt
27. Indianapolis: DT Peria Jerry, Mississippi
28. Philadelphia: OT Michael Oher, Mississippi
29. N.Y. Giants: LB James Laurinaitis, Ohio State
30. Tennessee: DE Michael Johnson, Georgia Tech
31. Arizona: RB LeSean McCoy, Pittsburgh
32. Pittsburgh: C Alex Mack, California
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scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
According to Kirwan, Raji and Peria Jerry will be great DT's for teams running a 4-3, not a 3-4. I was under the impression that Raji was tailor made for a 3-4 NT.
Kirwan's Senior Bowl Notes
LarryAllen'sJockstrap
Footballguy
Not trying to pick on you, but I hate it when someone uses the excuse "because team A never drafts position B in round C".The only correlation any team's previous drafts have to the current draft is what players from those previous draft are still on their roster.I can see it now.Raiders on the clock...Scout 1: "Who do we have #1 on our on baord?"Scout 2: "Jeremy Maclin."Scout 1: "Let's take him, he the BPA and we really have a need at WR".Scout 2: "Sorry, can't do it; remember our draft history? We never take speed WRs in the first round."Scout 1: "Whaaaat! He's the best player out there at a position we need!"Scout 2: "Sorry, dems the rules."If you want to argue that Maclin doesn't fit their style of offense, or WRs not their greatest need, or there are better players on the board at that point, be my guest. However, it's silly to say a team won't take a certain position based on past draft history.Chachi said:
It appears Johnny Lee Higgins has the potential to develope into the deep threat that Al covets.
T Bell
Footballguy
A 3-4 NT tends to be not just big but huge, and trades some quickness and athleticism for raw strength. He's not there to get upfield, he's there to hold his ground against C-G double teams and clog the middle. Raji's undersized for that, and his game is quickness and penetration, which is best used as either a 4-3 up-tackle or maybe a 3-4 DE.According to Kirwan, Raji and Peria Jerry will be great DT's for teams running a 4-3, not a 3-4. I was under the impression that Raji was tailor made for a 3-4 NT.Kirwan's Senior Bowl Notes
teeheeheeA 3-4 NT tends to be not just big but huge, and trades some quickness and athleticism for raw strength. He's not there to get upfield, he's there to hold his ground against C-G double teams and clog the middle. Raji's undersized for that, and his game is quickness and penetration, which is best used as either a 4-3 up-tackle or maybe a 3-4 DE.According to Kirwan, Raji and Peria Jerry will be great DT's for teams running a 4-3, not a 3-4. I was under the impression that Raji was tailor made for a 3-4 NT.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
I've been involved in this discussion already in another thread. I was under the same impression as you that a 3-4 NT was just a massive dude who took up blockers freeing up the LB's. I was to that was incorrect......that the best 3-4 NT's are not only huge, but also create a push and get upfield disrupting the backfield or the pocket.A 3-4 NT tends to be not just big but huge, and trades some quickness and athleticism for raw strength. He's not there to get upfield, he's there to hold his ground against C-G double teams and clog the middle. Raji's undersized for that, and his game is quickness and penetration, which is best used as either a 4-3 up-tackle or maybe a 3-4 DE.According to Kirwan, Raji and Peria Jerry will be great DT's for teams running a 4-3, not a 3-4. I was under the impression that Raji was tailor made for a 3-4 NT.
In most cases I would agree, but when it comes to the Raiders it's very relevant. Al Davis has been running that program for decades. If Al doesn't believe in drafting WR's high, there's a pretty good chance they won't draft a WR high.
Chachi
Footballguy
You are missing the boat on my point. I am not saying the Raiders WONT draft Maclin. I am refuting the myth that the Raiders always draft speedy WRs in Round 1. Could the Raiders take Maclin? Yes. Could they take a fast CB? Yes. Could they take a speedy DE? Yes. Could they take Percy Harvin? Yes.I think the Raiders will likely take either an OL or somebody who has Speed at some other position such as CB, DE or WR. You make it sound like I am making a Raider rule for drafting, this is 100% opposite of what I am doing, honestly how you twisted this with your scout 1/ scout 2 corny skit is beyond me.As for the Raiders I don't think they take Maclin, I have them taking Malcolm Jenkins, CB mainly because I think he's the better prospect and CB/WR are equal needs for the Raiders. I don't have Maclin going top 15.
jurb26
Footballguy
But Jenkins probably won't time very well in the 40.
jurb26
Footballguy
I thought this was pretty much the consensus for months now?
Chachi
Footballguy
Jurb is right.
T Bell
Footballguy
Obviously if they can do both, that's excellent. The thing is, 3-4 NT's wear down very quickly and lose that quickness, much more so than if they were playing in a 4-3 as an up tackle. Raji, now that I've checked his measurables, is larger than I thought he was, so maybe he could be a 3-4 NT, but I think his talents would be wasted in that role.I've been involved in this discussion already in another thread. I was under the same impression as you that a 3-4 NT was just a massive dude who took up blockers freeing up the LB's. I was to that was incorrect......that the best 3-4 NT's are not only huge, but also create a push and get upfield disrupting the backfield or the pocket.A 3-4 NT tends to be not just big but huge, and trades some quickness and athleticism for raw strength. He's not there to get upfield, he's there to hold his ground against C-G double teams and clog the middle. Raji's undersized for that, and his game is quickness and penetration, which is best used as either a 4-3 up-tackle or maybe a 3-4 DE.According to Kirwan, Raji and Peria Jerry will be great DT's for teams running a 4-3, not a 3-4. I was under the impression that Raji was tailor made for a 3-4 NT.
FUBAR
Footballguy
Good job, I didn't realize there was that myth. Thanks for bringing it to our attention and refuting it. But, just reading this thread, you brought up their previous drafts.
tombonneau
Footballguy
I thought he was just the coach? Regardless of who is calling the shots, I agree they won't take Stafford. I think one of the LTs emerges and goes #1 overall.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Why is that surprising?Kiper has 5 WR's in the first round!
Ridgelake
Footballguy
It depends on the 3-4 scheme thats played. In a "Parcells" 3-4, or a 2-gap system, a big lug who can drop to 1 knee and eat up at least 2 blockers is the proto-type NT. Think Tony Siragusa for this role. Ted Washington.Obviously if they can do both, that's excellent. The thing is, 3-4 NT's wear down very quickly and lose that quickness, much more so than if they were playing in a 4-3 as an up tackle. Raji, now that I've checked his measurables, is larger than I thought he was, so maybe he could be a 3-4 NT, but I think his talents would be wasted in that role.I've been involved in this discussion already in another thread. I was under the same impression as you that a 3-4 NT was just a massive dude who took up blockers freeing up the LB's. I was to that was incorrect......that the best 3-4 NT's are not only huge, but also create a push and get upfield disrupting the backfield or the pocket.A 3-4 NT tends to be not just big but huge, and trades some quickness and athleticism for raw strength. He's not there to get upfield, he's there to hold his ground against C-G double teams and clog the middle. Raji's undersized for that, and his game is quickness and penetration, which is best used as either a 4-3 up-tackle or maybe a 3-4 DE.According to Kirwan, Raji and Peria Jerry will be great DT's for teams running a 4-3, not a 3-4. I was under the impression that Raji was tailor made for a 3-4 NT.Kirwan's Senior Bowl Notes
In contrast, right now, Wade Phillips is running a 1-gap 3-4. Its the NT's job to penetrate through 1 gap. He's not normally trying to tie up blockers. Jay Ratliff, all 295 pounds of him, is a darn good NT in this scheme. He penetrates rather effectively (witness his 8 sacks this year). It should be noted that Wade has had the big lugs in the past at NT (Jamal Williams and Ted Washington). Wade will alter his scheme to fit the players.
But the bottom line is that the type of 3-4 scheme will impact whether a guy has the physical makeup for the NT role. There are 2-gap schemes that are best run with a sumo at NT. And there are 1-gap schemes that do better with quicker, penetrating guys.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Should they do that by reaching for a QB in the first that doesn't have first round talent?
Whiplash Inc.
Footballguy
You're the one starting with the myth. I only said it wouldn't be surprising if they drafted Maclin that high since a) they have a need at WR, b) AD loves the speedy 'workout warriors' and c), they don't exactly shy away from taking a player higher than their perceived draft stock if they really like him.
Chachi
Footballguy
I don't think so.My comments weren't really direct at you in particular. It is a myth that I have seen played out over at Walters, Draft Countdown, Footballs Future, FFToday & Fantasy Sharks to just start the list. If you think I'm just making this up, go right ahead, no skin off my backside.
Whiplash Inc.
Footballguy
I think you brought it up here that there's a myth that they always draft speedy WRs in round 1, no?
