Kiper's Mock Draft (1 Viewer)

[Chachi]

Maclin to Oak would not be surprising at all.

When is the last time the Raiders drafted a WR in round 1?I know the answer, I'm just trying to dispell a myth.

Not trying to pick on you, but I hate it when someone uses the excuse "because team A never drafts position B in round C".The only correlation any team's previous drafts have to the current draft is what players from those previous draft are still on their roster.

I can see it now.

Raiders on the clock...

Scout 1: "Who do we have #1 on our on baord?"

Scout 2: "Jeremy Maclin."

Scout 1: "Let's take him, he the BPA and we really have a need at WR".

Scout 2: "Sorry, can't do it; remember our draft history? We never take speed WRs in the first round."

Scout 1: "Whaaaat! He's the best player out there at a position we need!"

Scout 2: "Sorry, dems the rules."

If you want to argue that Maclin doesn't fit their style of offense, or WRs not their greatest need, or there are better players on the board at that point, be my guest. However, it's silly to say a team won't take a certain position based on past draft history.

You are missing the boat on my point. I am not saying the Raiders WONT draft Maclin. I am refuting the myth that the Raiders always draft speedy WRs in Round 1. Could the Raiders take Maclin? Yes. Could they take a fast CB? Yes. Could they take a speedy DE? Yes. Could they take Percy Harvin? Yes.I think the Raiders will likely take either an OL or somebody who has Speed at some other position such as CB, DE or WR.

You make it sound like I am making a Raider rule for drafting, this is 100% opposite of what I am doing, honestly how you twisted this with your scout 1/ scout 2 corny skit is beyond me.

As for the Raiders I don't think they take Maclin, I have them taking Malcolm Jenkins, CB mainly because I think he's the better prospect and CB/WR are equal needs for the Raiders. I don't have Maclin going top 15.

You're the one starting with the myth. I only said it wouldn't be surprising if they drafted Maclin that high since a) they have a need at WR, b) AD loves the speedy 'workout warriors' and c), they don't exactly shy away from taking a player higher than their perceived draft stock if they really like him.

I don't think so.My comments weren't really direct at you in particular. It is a myth that I have seen played out over at Walters, Draft Countdown, Footballs Future, FFToday & Fantasy Sharks to just start the list. If you think I'm just making this up, go right ahead, no skin off my backside.

I think you brought it up here that there's a myth that they always draft speedy WRs in round 1, no?

Um, ya. I don't even understand your point anymore. I did bring up that it's a myth that the Raiders draft speedy WRs in round 1 and they haven't drafted a WR since 1988, as far as I can tell I win, have a good one.

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

Maclin to Oak would not be surprising at all.

When is the last time the Raiders drafted a WR in round 1?I know the answer, I'm just trying to dispell a myth.

Not trying to pick on you, but I hate it when someone uses the excuse "because team A never drafts position B in round C".The only correlation any team's previous drafts have to the current draft is what players from those previous draft are still on their roster.

I can see it now.

Raiders on the clock...

Scout 1: "Who do we have #1 on our on baord?"

Scout 2: "Jeremy Maclin."

Scout 1: "Let's take him, he the BPA and we really have a need at WR".

Scout 2: "Sorry, can't do it; remember our draft history? We never take speed WRs in the first round."

Scout 1: "Whaaaat! He's the best player out there at a position we need!"

Scout 2: "Sorry, dems the rules."

If you want to argue that Maclin doesn't fit their style of offense, or WRs not their greatest need, or there are better players on the board at that point, be my guest. However, it's silly to say a team won't take a certain position based on past draft history.

You are missing the boat on my point. I am not saying the Raiders WONT draft Maclin. I am refuting the myth that the Raiders always draft speedy WRs in Round 1. Could the Raiders take Maclin? Yes. Could they take a fast CB? Yes. Could they take a speedy DE? Yes. Could they take Percy Harvin? Yes.I think the Raiders will likely take either an OL or somebody who has Speed at some other position such as CB, DE or WR.

You make it sound like I am making a Raider rule for drafting, this is 100% opposite of what I am doing, honestly how you twisted this with your scout 1/ scout 2 corny skit is beyond me.

As for the Raiders I don't think they take Maclin, I have them taking Malcolm Jenkins, CB mainly because I think he's the better prospect and CB/WR are equal needs for the Raiders. I don't have Maclin going top 15.

You're the one starting with the myth. I only said it wouldn't be surprising if they drafted Maclin that high since a) they have a need at WR, b) AD loves the speedy 'workout warriors' and c), they don't exactly shy away from taking a player higher than their perceived draft stock if they really like him.

I don't think so.My comments weren't really direct at you in particular. It is a myth that I have seen played out over at Walters, Draft Countdown, Footballs Future, FFToday & Fantasy Sharks to just start the list. If you think I'm just making this up, go right ahead, no skin off my backside.

I think you brought it up here that there's a myth that they always draft speedy WRs in round 1, no?

Um, ya. I don't even understand your point anymore. I did bring up that it's a myth that the Raiders draft speedy WRs in round 1 and they haven't drafted a WR since 1988, as far as I can tell I win, have a good one.

You don't get it, nevermind.

 

[identikit]

Maclin to Oak would not be surprising at all.

When is the last time the Raiders drafted a WR in round 1?I know the answer, I'm just trying to dispell a myth.

Not trying to pick on you, but I hate it when someone uses the excuse "because team A never drafts position B in round C".The only correlation any team's previous drafts have to the current draft is what players from those previous draft are still on their roster.

I can see it now.

Raiders on the clock...

Scout 1: "Who do we have #1 on our on baord?"

Scout 2: "Jeremy Maclin."

Scout 1: "Let's take him, he the BPA and we really have a need at WR".

Scout 2: "Sorry, can't do it; remember our draft history? We never take speed WRs in the first round."

Scout 1: "Whaaaat! He's the best player out there at a position we need!"

Scout 2: "Sorry, dems the rules."

If you want to argue that Maclin doesn't fit their style of offense, or WRs not their greatest need, or there are better players on the board at that point, be my guest. However, it's silly to say a team won't take a certain position based on past draft history.

You are missing the boat on my point. I am not saying the Raiders WONT draft Maclin. I am refuting the myth that the Raiders always draft speedy WRs in Round 1. Could the Raiders take Maclin? Yes. Could they take a fast CB? Yes. Could they take a speedy DE? Yes. Could they take Percy Harvin? Yes.I think the Raiders will likely take either an OL or somebody who has Speed at some other position such as CB, DE or WR.

You make it sound like I am making a Raider rule for drafting, this is 100% opposite of what I am doing, honestly how you twisted this with your scout 1/ scout 2 corny skit is beyond me.

As for the Raiders I don't think they take Maclin, I have them taking Malcolm Jenkins, CB mainly because I think he's the better prospect and CB/WR are equal needs for the Raiders. I don't have Maclin going top 15.

You're the one starting with the myth. I only said it wouldn't be surprising if they drafted Maclin that high since a) they have a need at WR, b) AD loves the speedy 'workout warriors' and c), they don't exactly shy away from taking a player higher than their perceived draft stock if they really like him.

I don't think so.My comments weren't really direct at you in particular. It is a myth that I have seen played out over at Walters, Draft Countdown, Footballs Future, FFToday & Fantasy Sharks to just start the list. If you think I'm just making this up, go right ahead, no skin off my backside.

I think you brought it up here that there's a myth that they always draft speedy WRs in round 1, no?

Um, ya. I don't even understand your point anymore. I did bring up that it's a myth that the Raiders draft speedy WRs in round 1 and they haven't drafted a WR since 1988, as far as I can tell I win, have a good one.

This is the kind of stuff that ruins topics....

 

[Chachi]

Maclin to Oak would not be surprising at all.

When is the last time the Raiders drafted a WR in round 1?I know the answer, I'm just trying to dispell a myth.

Not trying to pick on you, but I hate it when someone uses the excuse "because team A never drafts position B in round C".The only correlation any team's previous drafts have to the current draft is what players from those previous draft are still on their roster.

I can see it now.

Raiders on the clock...

Scout 1: "Who do we have #1 on our on baord?"

Scout 2: "Jeremy Maclin."

Scout 1: "Let's take him, he the BPA and we really have a need at WR".

Scout 2: "Sorry, can't do it; remember our draft history? We never take speed WRs in the first round."

Scout 1: "Whaaaat! He's the best player out there at a position we need!"

Scout 2: "Sorry, dems the rules."

If you want to argue that Maclin doesn't fit their style of offense, or WRs not their greatest need, or there are better players on the board at that point, be my guest. However, it's silly to say a team won't take a certain position based on past draft history.

You are missing the boat on my point. I am not saying the Raiders WONT draft Maclin. I am refuting the myth that the Raiders always draft speedy WRs in Round 1. Could the Raiders take Maclin? Yes. Could they take a fast CB? Yes. Could they take a speedy DE? Yes. Could they take Percy Harvin? Yes.I think the Raiders will likely take either an OL or somebody who has Speed at some other position such as CB, DE or WR.

You make it sound like I am making a Raider rule for drafting, this is 100% opposite of what I am doing, honestly how you twisted this with your scout 1/ scout 2 corny skit is beyond me.

As for the Raiders I don't think they take Maclin, I have them taking Malcolm Jenkins, CB mainly because I think he's the better prospect and CB/WR are equal needs for the Raiders. I don't have Maclin going top 15.

You're the one starting with the myth. I only said it wouldn't be surprising if they drafted Maclin that high since a) they have a need at WR, b) AD loves the speedy 'workout warriors' and c), they don't exactly shy away from taking a player higher than their perceived draft stock if they really like him.

I don't think so.My comments weren't really direct at you in particular. It is a myth that I have seen played out over at Walters, Draft Countdown, Footballs Future, FFToday & Fantasy Sharks to just start the list. If you think I'm just making this up, go right ahead, no skin off my backside.

I think you brought it up here that there's a myth that they always draft speedy WRs in round 1, no?

Um, ya. I don't even understand your point anymore. I did bring up that it's a myth that the Raiders draft speedy WRs in round 1 and they haven't drafted a WR since 1988, as far as I can tell I win, have a good one.

You don't get it, nevermind.

And I never will if you're the proxy relaying the message.

 

[Chachi]

Maclin to Oak would not be surprising at all.

When is the last time the Raiders drafted a WR in round 1?I know the answer, I'm just trying to dispell a myth.

Not trying to pick on you, but I hate it when someone uses the excuse "because team A never drafts position B in round C".The only correlation any team's previous drafts have to the current draft is what players from those previous draft are still on their roster.

I can see it now.

Raiders on the clock...

Scout 1: "Who do we have #1 on our on baord?"

Scout 2: "Jeremy Maclin."

Scout 1: "Let's take him, he the BPA and we really have a need at WR".

Scout 2: "Sorry, can't do it; remember our draft history? We never take speed WRs in the first round."

Scout 1: "Whaaaat! He's the best player out there at a position we need!"

Scout 2: "Sorry, dems the rules."

If you want to argue that Maclin doesn't fit their style of offense, or WRs not their greatest need, or there are better players on the board at that point, be my guest. However, it's silly to say a team won't take a certain position based on past draft history.

You are missing the boat on my point. I am not saying the Raiders WONT draft Maclin. I am refuting the myth that the Raiders always draft speedy WRs in Round 1. Could the Raiders take Maclin? Yes. Could they take a fast CB? Yes. Could they take a speedy DE? Yes. Could they take Percy Harvin? Yes.I think the Raiders will likely take either an OL or somebody who has Speed at some other position such as CB, DE or WR.

You make it sound like I am making a Raider rule for drafting, this is 100% opposite of what I am doing, honestly how you twisted this with your scout 1/ scout 2 corny skit is beyond me.

As for the Raiders I don't think they take Maclin, I have them taking Malcolm Jenkins, CB mainly because I think he's the better prospect and CB/WR are equal needs for the Raiders. I don't have Maclin going top 15.

You're the one starting with the myth. I only said it wouldn't be surprising if they drafted Maclin that high since a) they have a need at WR, b) AD loves the speedy 'workout warriors' and c), they don't exactly shy away from taking a player higher than their perceived draft stock if they really like him.

I don't think so.My comments weren't really direct at you in particular. It is a myth that I have seen played out over at Walters, Draft Countdown, Footballs Future, FFToday & Fantasy Sharks to just start the list. If you think I'm just making this up, go right ahead, no skin off my backside.

I think you brought it up here that there's a myth that they always draft speedy WRs in round 1, no?

Um, ya. I don't even understand your point anymore. I did bring up that it's a myth that the Raiders draft speedy WRs in round 1 and they haven't drafted a WR since 1988, as far as I can tell I win, have a good one.

This is the kind of stuff that ruins topics....

Actually all the above in bold is what ruins topics.

 

[identikit]

Maclin to Oak would not be surprising at all.

When is the last time the Raiders drafted a WR in round 1?I know the answer, I'm just trying to dispell a myth.

Not trying to pick on you, but I hate it when someone uses the excuse "because team A never drafts position B in round C".The only correlation any team's previous drafts have to the current draft is what players from those previous draft are still on their roster.

I can see it now.

Raiders on the clock...

Scout 1: "Who do we have #1 on our on baord?"

Scout 2: "Jeremy Maclin."

Scout 1: "Let's take him, he the BPA and we really have a need at WR".

Scout 2: "Sorry, can't do it; remember our draft history? We never take speed WRs in the first round."

Scout 1: "Whaaaat! He's the best player out there at a position we need!"

Scout 2: "Sorry, dems the rules."

If you want to argue that Maclin doesn't fit their style of offense, or WRs not their greatest need, or there are better players on the board at that point, be my guest. However, it's silly to say a team won't take a certain position based on past draft history.

You are missing the boat on my point. I am not saying the Raiders WONT draft Maclin. I am refuting the myth that the Raiders always draft speedy WRs in Round 1. Could the Raiders take Maclin? Yes. Could they take a fast CB? Yes. Could they take a speedy DE? Yes. Could they take Percy Harvin? Yes.I think the Raiders will likely take either an OL or somebody who has Speed at some other position such as CB, DE or WR.

You make it sound like I am making a Raider rule for drafting, this is 100% opposite of what I am doing, honestly how you twisted this with your scout 1/ scout 2 corny skit is beyond me.

As for the Raiders I don't think they take Maclin, I have them taking Malcolm Jenkins, CB mainly because I think he's the better prospect and CB/WR are equal needs for the Raiders. I don't have Maclin going top 15.

You're the one starting with the myth. I only said it wouldn't be surprising if they drafted Maclin that high since a) they have a need at WR, b) AD loves the speedy 'workout warriors' and c), they don't exactly shy away from taking a player higher than their perceived draft stock if they really like him.

I don't think so.My comments weren't really direct at you in particular. It is a myth that I have seen played out over at Walters, Draft Countdown, Footballs Future, FFToday & Fantasy Sharks to just start the list. If you think I'm just making this up, go right ahead, no skin off my backside.

I think you brought it up here that there's a myth that they always draft speedy WRs in round 1, no?

Um, ya. I don't even understand your point anymore. I did bring up that it's a myth that the Raiders draft speedy WRs in round 1 and they haven't drafted a WR since 1988, as far as I can tell I win, have a good one.

This is the kind of stuff that ruins topics....

Actually all the above in bold is what ruins topics.

OK, Francis

 

[Chachi]

OK, Francis

Right back at you Nancy, time to drop this and get back on topic. We got a deal Sally?

 

[identikit]

OK, Francis

Right back at you Nancy, time to drop this and get back on topic. We got a deal Sally?

 

[Chachi]

OK, Francis

Right back at you Nancy, time to drop this and get back on topic. We got a deal Sally?

The old eyeroll, clever.

 

[FUBAR]

so now that I have two more in my "ignore" list, can someone tell me how Maclin is a "workout warrior"?

 

[Chachi]

so now that I have two more in my "ignore" list, can someone tell me how Maclin is a "workout warrior"?

I would but I'm on your ignore list.

 

[flranger]

A very good posting that got destroyed by two that had to show who was right. Get a room, dammit.

 

[Novice2]

So he is saying Pitt will win the super bowl?

 

[identikit]

So he is saying Pitt will win the super bowl?

 

[Black]

Oher at 28? 4th best OT?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Oher at 28? 4th best OT?

From what I've seen historically Kiper is good at projecting 1st rounders. Not very good at projecting to where.

 

[Tecmo]

7. Oakland: WR Jeremy Maclin, Missouri

I know the Raiders need a WR, but they need a tackle 20x more. The Raiders need to upgrade Kwame Harris in the biggest way, maybe then we can see Jamarcus throw some deep balls. I don't think Mario Henderson is the answer and Harris has been nothing but abused since he's entered the league. Best to wait till the 2nd or 3rd for a wideout

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

7. Oakland: WR Jeremy Maclin, Missouri

I know the Raiders need a WR, but they need a tackle 20x more. The Raiders need to upgrade Kwame Harris in the biggest way, maybe then we can see Jamarcus throw some deep balls. I don't think Mario Henderson is the answer and Harris has been nothing but abused since he's entered the league. Best to wait till the 2nd or 3rd for a wideout

That's what they should do, but they're known to do the unconventional. Harris is unlikely to stay.I would prefer a Tackle in the 1st and a WR in the 2nd, depending on what they do in FA.

 

[Rovers]

Harvin to the Jets? Picks like this are why Kiper needs more hair, to insulate his brain from....

 

[Islander]

I am surprised about the RB order Moreno-Wells-McCoy.Is this the new consensus out there?

I thought this was pretty much the consensus for months now?

Jurb is right.

Thanks guys, I must have been living in a cave for months

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Harvin to the Jets? Picks like this are why Kiper needs more hair, to insulate his brain from....

It's not a terrible projection. It's not like the Jets roster is filled with playmakers.Who would you rather see? A cornerback would be my bet.Edit: I don't get it. In my draft thread you say that the Jets need a playmaking WR and then you ridicule Kiper when he mocks one to your team?

 

[bearsharks]

I love Crabtree to Seattle.

 

[Loopdog]

I just don't see Stafford and Sanchez going 1 and 3. I think this will be a year where no QB is drafted quite that high. Stafford will probably wow them with his workouts because of his rocket arm, but I don't think that a QB is the answer for the Lions, the Rams, the Chiefs, the Seahawks, the Browns, etc. Lions need a SURE FIRE NO BUST pick here, so whoever that is, wherever he plays, they need to make that their pick. The Rams COULD use a signal caller but again, more problems elsewhere. The Chiefs should at least let Thigpen play a full year before starting over, again. The Seahawks are ok with Hassleback assuming he comes back healthy and the Browns should be set with Brady Quinn. I could see San Fran going QB, the Jets, maybe the Bears, and the Lions with the second 1st rounder if someone falls to them would be IDEAL. But the draft is ALWAYS a crap shoot, something always happens and someone always shocks everyone with their pick. So mock drafts are fun, but most of the time they are way off in the end.

 

[identikit]

I love Crabtree to Seattle.

Seems like a perfect fit, doesn't it?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I love Crabtree to Seattle.

I keep trying to mock someone else there but it makes too much sense not to happen. If he's even there for them to take. He'd be a fit in both St. Louis and KC as well.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Oher at 28? 4th best OT?

Oher is a boom/bust prospect. Ideal physically, but a high bust risk because of his background/perceived lack of intelligence. He could definitely fall that far, maybe even to the second, if teams don't like the interview/chalkboard sessions... Oher, Michael Johnson, and Beanie Wells are all guys that teams could convince themselves to take in the top 10 because of tools, or convince to not even take in the first because of bust risk.

 

[plymkr]

Oher at 28? 4th best OT?

From what I've seen historically Kiper is good at projecting 1st rounders. Not very good at projecting to where.

I also think this isn't just Kiper. Hardly anyone gets very many (who's to where's) correct. Maybe 10 average?

 

[T Bell]

Oher at 28? 4th best OT?

Oher is a boom/bust prospect. Ideal physically, but a high bust risk because of his background/perceived lack of intelligence. He could definitely fall that far, maybe even to the second, if teams don't like the interview/chalkboard sessions... Oher, Michael Johnson, and Beanie Wells are all guys that teams could convince themselves to take in the top 10 because of tools, or convince to not even take in the first because of bust risk.

How complex for the OL was the offensive scheme at Ole Miss under Orgeron and Nutt? Did it have him doing a lot of things scheme-wise that NFL teams will demand of OL's?

 

[Holland Freeze]

Mel Kiper's first round

1. Detroit: QB Matthew Stafford, Georgia

Still hoping they go OT with their 1st pick.

3. Kansas City: QB Mark Sanchez, USC

If Detroit goes OT Stafford makes a better choice but Thigpen has done well enough this season to make it so HE is not their primary weakness. Defense or rebuilding the line that once allowed their RB's to have their way with D's might be the way to go.

17. N.Y. Jets: WR Percy Harvin, Florida

If Stafford is still on the board and Favre goes ... (Minny or retirement???) QB may be a position they address

18. Chicago: DE Tyson Jackson, LSU

Has Orton done enough to come in next year as their starter? Another possible landing spot for Stafford???

19. Tampa Bay: QB Josh Freeman, Kansas State

Was QB play the cause for their collapse this year? If Stafford is available they may invest the pick on a QB otherwise I do not see it happening. Their D has been showing its age and this pick could go a long way to righting that ship.

20. Detroit: LB Rey Maualuga, USC

If Detroit goes OT with the #1 pick I won't care how they approach this selection (team need or best available player). If Stafford free falls this far he can land safely here and know he will at least have some protection when he takes over. Otherwise, D is not a bad idea and although Maualuga and Sims teamed together is appealing there are some DL and DB's available that would fill greater needs.

22. Minnesota: WR Hakeem Nicks, North Carolina

Is this where Sanchez at least begins getting consideration? Is Nicks going to replace Berrian or Rice? What OL will be available to protect __________?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Oher at 28? 4th best OT?

From what I've seen historically Kiper is good at projecting 1st rounders. Not very good at projecting to where.

I also think this isn't just Kiper. Hardly anyone gets very many (who's to where's) correct. Maybe 10 average?

There are some guys that do pretty well. Mike Mayock usually seems the most accurate.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Oher at 28? 4th best OT?

From what I've seen historically Kiper is good at projecting 1st rounders. Not very good at projecting to where.

I also think this isn't just Kiper. Hardly anyone gets very many (who's to where's) correct. Maybe 10 average?

True. One team picking in the top 5, picks someone different it throws off the whole draft. No different than a FF draft, some guy picks Tom Brady with the 3rd pick and the draft goes a different than the norm. I still think Kiper is the best. Unless you want to go with that Bloom guy.

 

[identikit]

Oher at 28? 4th best OT?

Oher is a boom/bust prospect. Ideal physically, but a high bust risk because of his background/perceived lack of intelligence. He could definitely fall that far, maybe even to the second, if teams don't like the interview/chalkboard sessions... Oher, Michael Johnson, and Beanie Wells are all guys that teams could convince themselves to take in the top 10 because of tools, or convince to not even take in the first because of bust risk.

In Don Banks' (SI.com) Mock Draft (separate thread on page 1 of forum), he has Oher going to the Raiders @ 1.7.His logic seems very sound on this one.Not saying it would be a bad pick at all, but so Raideresque.

 

[Aaronstory]

Raji doesn't get past Green Bay as they convert to a 3-4.

According to Kirwan, Raji and Peria Jerry will be great DT's for teams running a 4-3, not a 3-4. I was under the impression that Raji was tailor made for a 3-4 NT. Kirwan's Senior Bowl Notes

A 3-4 NT tends to be not just big but huge, and trades some quickness and athleticism for raw strength. He's not there to get upfield, he's there to hold his ground against C-G double teams and clog the middle. Raji's undersized for that, and his game is quickness and penetration, which is best used as either a 4-3 up-tackle or maybe a 3-4 DE.

I've been involved in this discussion already in another thread. I was under the same impression as you that a 3-4 NT was just a massive dude who took up blockers freeing up the LB's. I was to that was incorrect......that the best 3-4 NT's are not only huge, but also create a push and get upfield disrupting the backfield or the pocket.

Bedard agrees with Kirwan:I will say that B.J. Raji, the BC nosetackle, has been one of the standouts all week. Even the offensive lineman talk highly of him. Debatable whether he's a 3-4 nose or not, although he thinks he can do it and some teams do as well. I'm leaning more towards no. He's like Amobi Okoye with not quite the athletic ability. Raji would probably be perfect for a Tampa/Cover 2 defense.

 

[Aaronstory]

Oher at 28? 4th best OT?

From what I've seen historically Kiper is good at projecting 1st rounders. Not very good at projecting to where.

I also think this isn't just Kiper. Hardly anyone gets very many (who's to where's) correct. Maybe 10 average?

Mike Mayock usually seems the most accurate.

Agreed.

 

[Rovers]

Harvin to the Jets? Picks like this are why Kiper needs more hair, to insulate his brain from....

It's not a terrible projection. It's not like the Jets roster is filled with playmakers.Who would you rather see? A cornerback would be my bet.Edit: I don't get it. In my draft thread you say that the Jets need a playmaking WR and then you ridicule Kiper when he mocks one to your team?

I did, but not a Harvin type. While they don't have Harvin's talent set, both Stuckey and Clowney are small speed types, and that is what Harvin is. The Jets need a Marshall/Boldin/Fitz type at WR, a big end zone target that can get YAC. Does that sound like Harvin?A CB, a cover safety, an ILB if Barton doesn't sign, even an RB, but not another small speed reciever. The Jets also still need an OLB. Pace just can't drop into coverage, he isn't a 3-4 OLB. He would be best used in a rotation, DE on passing downs, OLB in the standard set. The Jets also have no depth on the O line, a guard would be a smart choice to backup Moore and Fanecca. An RB would make a lot of sense too... Jones is another year older, and Washington may or may not be able to be a full time fill-in should Jones get hurt. Add the fact that the new HC is a defensive coach... Harvin? Really?

 

[Fiddles]

I love Crabtree to Seattle.

I keep trying to mock someone else there but it makes too much sense not to happen. If he's even there for them to take. He'd be a fit in both St. Louis and KC as well.

can you think of some teams that would trade into the top 3 to grab him before seattle? I dont watch college ball so not sure of his talent level.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I did, but not a Harvin type. While they don't have Harvin's talent set, both Stuckey and Clowney are small speed types, and that is what Harvin is. The Jets need a Marshall/Boldin/Fitz type at WR, a big end zone target that can get YAC. Does that sound like Harvin?A CB, a cover safety, an ILB if Barton doesn't sign, even an RB, but not another small speed reciever. The Jets also still need an OLB. Pace just can't drop into coverage, he isn't a 3-4 OLB. He would be best used in a rotation, DE on passing downs, OLB in the standard set. The Jets also have no depth on the O line, a guard would be a smart choice to backup Moore and Fanecca. An RB would make a lot of sense too... Jones is another year older, and Washington may or may not be able to be a full time fill-in should Jones get hurt. Add the fact that the new HC is a defensive coach... Harvin? Really?

You sound like you're describing a team picking in a top 5 spot, not one that missed the playoffs by a whisker.What about if Sanchez was there at their spot?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I love Crabtree to Seattle.

I keep trying to mock someone else there but it makes too much sense not to happen. If he's even there for them to take. He'd be a fit in both St. Louis and KC as well.

can you think of some teams that would trade into the top 3 to grab him before seattle? I dont watch college ball so not sure of his talent level.

I can't see anyone trading to get him, but he would fit with teams like Oakland, Jacksonville, San Fran, and Buffalo - all that are within striking distance of trading up.

 

[mightyeskimo]

Just my gut, but I doubt Schwartz takes Stafford @ #1.

I hope he doesn't. We have so many glaring weaknesses that I'd like to see them trade down. And, I really don't care if they get all the value for that #1 spot. A lower 1st round pick and a very decent player on the LOS on either side of the ball would suit me just fine.

 

[Rovers]

I did, but not a Harvin type. While they don't have Harvin's talent set, both Stuckey and Clowney are small speed types, and that is what Harvin is. The Jets need a Marshall/Boldin/Fitz type at WR, a big end zone target that can get YAC. Does that sound like Harvin?A CB, a cover safety, an ILB if Barton doesn't sign, even an RB, but not another small speed reciever. The Jets also still need an OLB. Pace just can't drop into coverage, he isn't a 3-4 OLB. He would be best used in a rotation, DE on passing downs, OLB in the standard set. The Jets also have no depth on the O line, a guard would be a smart choice to backup Moore and Fanecca. An RB would make a lot of sense too... Jones is another year older, and Washington may or may not be able to be a full time fill-in should Jones get hurt. Add the fact that the new HC is a defensive coach... Harvin? Really?

You sound like you're describing a team picking in a top 5 spot, not one that missed the playoffs by a whisker.What about if Sanchez was there at their spot?

Glad I could entertain! I think the Jets will address the pass D, and that is why I mention CB, cover safety or an OLB that can drop into coverage and be a more dangerous outside pass rusher, better than Pace or Thomas. Maybe that guy is Gholston... maybe it isn't. They do need another CB, but a cover safety would free up Rhodes to blitz and jump routes like he did two years ago, ala Ed Reed's role. I think the first round pick goes to improving the pass D, and any one of these spots are needs that would help the porous pass defense. I don't see the Jets going QB. As of now, they still have Favre, they liked Ratliff alot in preseason and Clemens can manage a game.The Jets were very fortunate injury wise in 2008. The front 7 only lost Coleman, Harris and Jenkins for fairly short periods, the O line was injury free, as was basically the entire offense. Both Jones and Washington were healthy all year, not likely to happen again. Their lack of depth didn't hurt them, but needs to be addressed as well, especially on the O line which played pretty well. One injury could change that quickly. I'm not saying this roster is a bad one, just saying that IMO any of these needs will likely be addressed before drafting a player like Harvin or even Sanchez in round one. Ryan says this team is ready to win... he said it needs to be tweaked, in so many words, not overhauled. That tells me he will draft to need, and likely on the D side. So, CB, ILB, cover safety is my prediction, BPA from those 3 positions.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

I am surprised about the RB order Moreno-Wells-McCoy.Is this the new consensus out there?

I thought this was pretty much the consensus for months now?

Jurb is right.

No he's not...Wells - Moreno - McCoy

 

[twr]

I am surprised about the RB order Moreno-Wells-McCoy.Is this the new consensus out there?

I thought this was pretty much the consensus for months now?

Jurb is right.

No he's not...Wells - Moreno - McCoy

moreno, mcCoy, wells

 

[•TheRealMcCoy]

Jets - HarvinMinn- NicksLions - MaualugaEagles - Oher at 28

Why thumbs down on Oher?? STLToday.com has the Rams possibly taking Oher at #2? If Philly got him that late he could be a steal???

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I am surprised about the RB order Moreno-Wells-McCoy.Is this the new consensus out there?

I thought this was pretty much the consensus for months now?

Jurb is right.

No he's not...Wells - Moreno - McCoy

moreno, mcCoy, wells

Whatever the consensus is now, it'll change by draft day. Even if the order is the same as it is now, it'll be for different reasons, or at least reasons that were mere speculation will be confirmed by the combine, etc. This stuff is far from set in stone at this early juncture in the draft season.

 

[treat88]

This stuff is far from set in stone at this early juncture in the draft season.

Yep. This is not an exact science. Every team's big board will differ, just like every fans opinion will differ.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

I love Crabtree to Seattle.

I keep trying to mock someone else there but it makes too much sense not to happen. If he's even there for them to take. He'd be a fit in both St. Louis and KC as well.

can you think of some teams that would trade into the top 3 to grab him before seattle? I dont watch college ball so not sure of his talent level.

I can't see anyone trading to get him, but he would fit with teams like Oakland, Jacksonville, San Fran, and Buffalo - all that are within striking distance of trading up.

Oh, that would be just wonderful having him in Buffalo next to Evans (or Evans next to him) but I doubt that happens. Every year I hope the Bills trade up but the time I wanted it most was when ADP was selected and we settled for Lynch. This could be another year it would be nice to see them consider trading up. But who know, if Crabtree runs a HORRIBLE 40 time then maybe he slips to #11. But I could also see S.F. taking him no matter what at 10 and taking another stud right in front of us like the year they took Willis.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Crabtree could run a 4.7 at the combine and I'd still take him if I were a GM. His quicks and hands are stellar.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

The Colts may take the best RB on the board at #27. LeSean McCoy? DT makes more sense, but based on board value they may change their mind.

ETA - They might even take a WR if Harrison hangs them up this off-season. That might not matter.

 

[Lash]

can someone tell me how Oher goes from top 5 overall 4-5 months ago to end of round one after having an outstanding senior year?

is he showing not-seen-before weaknesses at senior bowl practice or something?

 

[Holland Freeze]

can someone tell me how Oher goes from top 5 overall 4-5 months ago to end of round one after having an outstanding senior year?is he showing not-seen-before weaknesses at senior bowl practice or something?

From what I have read and the comments from the announcers tonight it is his inconsistency. No one has questioned his potential that I know of just the lapses.