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Kirk Cousins Starting Sunday - RGIII Benched (1 Viewer)
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
possible impact on Alfred morris? Atl is awful vs the run.
MCguidance
Footballguy
I think the current offensive scheme is enough of a worry. When they use him he is very productive but for some reason Shanny and Kyle likes to pull the plug on him.
tim_whatley
Footballguy
For some crazy reason, I think this is good for Morris. I feel with Cousins they are more likely to run a traditional offense. I was considering benching Morris in a Non-PPR league for Vareen but may put Morris back in now with this news.
Sweet Love
IBL Representative
I believe that was the CLE game...he threw for 329 and Garcon went 6 for 65 in the contest. Morris had 27 totes for 87 yards and 2 TDs, so I am not sure whether that is indicative of which direction they will go (run or pass).
tim_whatley
Footballguy
I just don't see how it can hurt. At this point it can't get much worse.
Swing 51
Footballguy
Sure it can. Say Cousins impresses these last three games. Then us 'Skins fans get to hear about the QB controversy all offseason. Not to mention what that does to Subway Bob's psyche.
Phenix
Footballguy
RG3 should of been sat down a long time ago.
Man it felt great to cut him today, really did. I hope he is humbled by the fact he is getting benched because he can't compete at a high level right now.
He is past the injury, no more excuses, he is just not an NFL caliber QB this year.
Man it felt great to cut him today, really did. I hope he is humbled by the fact he is getting benched because he can't compete at a high level right now.
He is past the injury, no more excuses, he is just not an NFL caliber QB this year.
Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
Erin Rodgers owner here in a 2QB league - picked him up.
packersfan
Footballguy
Going with Campbell as my top bid to replace RG3 in my Start-2 QB league. Debating whether to put Cousins or Flynn next on the list. Leaning toward Flynn right now.
Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
ATL then DAL - looks juicy to me if you can squeak by week 15 and ATL is horrible against the pass.
tonyftony716
Footballguy
1. I think Morris will be fine. Atlanta has a horrific run defense. I expect him to be a strong RB2.
2. Garçon is a little more of a risk . I would feel ok starting him because perhaps Cousins will take more shots down the field.
Also I can't help but to think that Shanahan will now open up this offense and give Cousins the chance to shine. I am not sure if he will have success doing so but I think now the coaching staff wants to prove they can win without RGIII. Sounds childish but look who the coach is.
2. Garçon is a little more of a risk . I would feel ok starting him because perhaps Cousins will take more shots down the field.
Also I can't help but to think that Shanahan will now open up this offense and give Cousins the chance to shine. I am not sure if he will have success doing so but I think now the coaching staff wants to prove they can win without RGIII. Sounds childish but look who the coach is.
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TheLurkerBelow
Footballguy
Nah. I think this move does two things, first it keeps RGIII healthy for a full offseason of work next year (a terrible decision in my opinion, if he's healthy he needs the starting reps). But second, it showcases Cousins so he can be traded this offseason. The Skins need draft picks and if Cousins shows well then they can get something good for him. That will also eliminate any QB controversy.
FUBAR
Footballguy
There's speculation that they are showcasing him for a trade.
I don't think that's the case and wouldn't think trading him would be a good move, but that's a rumor.
Just thinking it out for a minute, IF the Redskins brought in a veteran QB (Schaub or Henne maybe?) and were able to get a 1st (Browns trade the Colts' 1st?) then maybe it makes some sense.
Hang 10
Footballguy
You say that like Shanahan cares about what's best for the redskins future. He doesn't. I really don't think Shanny gives a #### what Cousins trade value ends up being. He's just sticking his finger in Snyder's eye.
Gopher State
Footballguy
Falcon defense just became a top 5 play. The coaching staff has shown that they have no confidence RG3 who is the leader of the team(coaching staff has given up). Shanny is playing a game of chicken with the ownership, which will not end well. The skins players are thinking if they don't want RG3 to get hurt, why should I get hurt. Pack in time for the skins. I would stay away from all Redskin players this week.
FUBAR
Footballguy
That seems to be the simplest explanation - "See, I could have won all year if I wasn't forced to start RG3"You say that like Shanahan cares about what's best for the redskins future. He doesn't. I really don't think Shanny gives a #### what Cousins trade value ends up being. He's just sticking his finger in Snyder's eye.
fatness
Footballguy
That's exactly what's going on. Shanahan wants out, and wants to get fired so he collects $7 million.
MCguidance
Footballguy
RGIII inactive, Grossman is the backup Sunday.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Hang 10
Footballguy
That's all you need to know about this move. I thought coaches wanted players that give them best chance to win? What kind of a message does this send to the team?
MattFancy
Footballguy
It would be different if you could just point to RG3 for the failures of the team. But when the defense is giving up over 31ppg, the Special Teams is one of the worst Special Teams units of all time according to PFF (4th worst all-time), the OL has more holes than swiss cheese and we have no receiving threat right now outside of Garcon (since Reed is still out). Even as bad as RG3 has looked at times this year, we still have a top 10 offense.
lol? Not even close. Falcons are really bad defensively (obv)
This is at worst a lateral move for the Washington offense. Others have said it, but they really couldn't get any worse. RG3 was a sack waiting to happen every play
packersfan
Footballguy
They are but they're coming off a game where they got a Pick 6 against another backup QB. And it's not like Washington's offensive line is suddenly going to get any better.
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
Wow, what a mess.
Shutout
Footballguy
Shanahanigans are back. He's moved on from russian roulette RBs and now its QBs.
I have the sneaky conspiracy theory that this works wells for garcon and the passing game. I figure Shanahan will try to showcase a very aggressive, exciting passing game that will basically be a back-handed way of saying "look what I can do with a guy that I'm not pigeon-holed into emphasizing this other stuff".
And to keep the conspiracy theory rlling, he might be rolling with Cousins just to get an idea if he might have a way of taking him with him to wherever he ends up.
I have the sneaky conspiracy theory that this works wells for garcon and the passing game. I figure Shanahan will try to showcase a very aggressive, exciting passing game that will basically be a back-handed way of saying "look what I can do with a guy that I'm not pigeon-holed into emphasizing this other stuff".
And to keep the conspiracy theory rlling, he might be rolling with Cousins just to get an idea if he might have a way of taking him with him to wherever he ends up.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Hang 10
Footballguy
What else could it be?cstu said:I don't understand this theory that Shanahan is doing this to get back at Snyder. Is it because people say he was forced to draft RG3?You say that like Shanahan cares about what's best for the redskins future. He doesn't. I really don't think Shanny gives a #### what Cousins trade value ends up being. He's just sticking his finger in Snyder's eye.
Everyone loves piling on Griffin but here are his stats for the year on a 3-10 football team:
26 Robert Griffin III, QB WSH 274 456 60.1 3,203 7.02 62 16 12 38 82.2 246
ETA: Also has 489 yards rushing.
Not great but not the reason they're losing games. Mind you the defense give ups 31 points a game and they're special teams are embarrassing. No changes there.
How can you justify benching your franchise QB AND making him inactive the last 3 games of the season?
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King of the Jungle
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Most of Rob's statistical success has come once the team is getting beat up already and they are playing from behind. I get the defense is to blame but he has not played well enough against non-prevent defense to keep his team in the game as well.What else could it be?cstu said:I don't understand this theory that Shanahan is doing this to get back at Snyder. Is it because people say he was forced to draft RG3?You say that like Shanahan cares about what's best for the redskins future. He doesn't. I really don't think Shanny gives a #### what Cousins trade value ends up being. He's just sticking his finger in Snyder's eye.
Everyone loves piling on Griffin but here are his stats for the year on a 3-10 football team:
26 Robert Griffin III, QB WSH 274 456 60.1 3,203 7.02 62 16 12 38 82.2 246
ETA: Also has 489 yards rushing.
Not great but not the reason they're losing games. Mind you the defense give ups 31 points a game and they're special teams are embarrassing. No changes there.
How can you justify benching your franchise QB AND making him inactive the last 3 games of the season?
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Two possible reasons that make the most sense to me:What else could it be?cstu said:I don't understand this theory that Shanahan is doing this to get back at Snyder. Is it because people say he was forced to draft RG3?You say that like Shanahan cares about what's best for the redskins future. He doesn't. I really don't think Shanny gives a #### what Cousins trade value ends up being. He's just sticking his finger in Snyder's eye.
Everyone loves piling on Griffin but here are his stats for the year on a 3-10 football team:
26 Robert Griffin III, QB WSH 274 456 60.1 3,203 7.02 62 16 12 38 82.2 246
ETA: Also has 489 yards rushing.
Not great but not the reason they're losing games. Mind you the defense give ups 31 points a game and they're special teams are embarrassing. No changes there.
How can you justify benching your franchise QB AND making him inactive the last 3 games of the season?
* Drive up Cousin's trade value to attempt to trade him this offseason to try to make up for missing 1st rounder by getting another draft pick (maybe not 1st, but possibly high)
* To ensure full recovery of health for your franchise QB in a season that is lost. Can you imagine if he were to blow his knee out again at this point?
Shutout
Footballguy
That's what I thought as I wrote that. Makes sense but I think I read somewhere that the Texans wouldn't be looking at a guy like Shanny in Houston.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Does anyone actually think Griffin SHOULD stay in there right now? He's been awful in every phase. His accuracy is way off. We know when healthy he can be a very accurate passer. Sure the line has a lot to do with it, but his mechanics are all messed up. In his mind he can still make plays with his legs but his body can't support it. Slower lineman are running him down. Bottom line, I think it's the right move to let him sit. He's not at risk for his job - he will be a franchise QB when healthy. But he needs to get healthy, get his mechanics back and restore confidence before he starts questioning himself more.
I think this is good for Morris. I don't know if this changes the offense much but I like Morris when the QB is under center. We'll see. ATL and DAL could not be 2 better matchups. Obviously the blocking has to be there and Cousins has to convert a few 3rd downs to keep drives alive. But as a Morris owner, I was actually hoping RG3 would get benched. It obviously wasn't working for Alf with him in there.
I think this is good for Morris. I don't know if this changes the offense much but I like Morris when the QB is under center. We'll see. ATL and DAL could not be 2 better matchups. Obviously the blocking has to be there and Cousins has to convert a few 3rd downs to keep drives alive. But as a Morris owner, I was actually hoping RG3 would get benched. It obviously wasn't working for Alf with him in there.
packersfan
Footballguy
I think he needs game reps badly. If he's healthy I think he should be starting if he's your franchise quarterback. The Panthers didn't bench Newton last year when he was going through a lot of problems and that decision has turned out rather well for them this year.
I got #### blocked for Campbell by my opponent. So my two options are the same - Flynn or Cousins. If RG3 were not inactive, I would go Flynn for sure. Both have nice matchups on paper. Not really a decision I was wanting to make week 15.
Come on, Bud. I see your avatar and realize you idolize the guy, but he's been horrible. This should have been done long ago. If he doesn't get back to being a big run threat, he may never get the job back from Cousins. Running is what made him so great. Take that constant threat away, and he is average. Below average, in fact.What else could it be?cstu said:I don't understand this theory that Shanahan is doing this to get back at Snyder. Is it because people say he was forced to draft RG3?You say that like Shanahan cares about what's best for the redskins future. He doesn't. I really don't think Shanny gives a #### what Cousins trade value ends up being. He's just sticking his finger in Snyder's eye.
Everyone loves piling on Griffin but here are his stats for the year on a 3-10 football team:
26 Robert Griffin III, QB WSH 274 456 60.1 3,203 7.02 62 16 12 38 82.2 246
ETA: Also has 489 yards rushing.
Not great but not the reason they're losing games. Mind you the defense give ups 31 points a game and they're special teams are embarrassing. No changes there.
How can you justify benching your franchise QB AND making him inactive the last 3 games of the season?
packersfan
Footballguy
Griffin has not played well but I don't know how anyone can look at Washington's defense, offensive line, special teams, limited weapons in the passing game (besides Garcon and Reed when he's played) and think he's anywhere near the biggest problem on that team.
MattFancy
Footballguy
Just looking at the stats of the 4 QBs (RG3, Luck, Wilson, Kaep):Come on, Bud. I see your avatar and realize you idolize the guy, but he's been horrible. This should have been done long ago. If he doesn't get back to being a big run threat, he may never get the job back from Cousins. Running is what made him so great. Take that constant threat away, and he is average. Below average, in fact.What else could it be?cstu said:I don't understand this theory that Shanahan is doing this to get back at Snyder. Is it because people say he was forced to draft RG3?You say that like Shanahan cares about what's best for the redskins future. He doesn't. I really don't think Shanny gives a #### what Cousins trade value ends up being. He's just sticking his finger in Snyder's eye.
Everyone loves piling on Griffin but here are his stats for the year on a 3-10 football team:
26 Robert Griffin III, QB WSH 274 456 60.1 3,203 7.02 62 16 12 38 82.2 246
ETA: Also has 489 yards rushing.
Not great but not the reason they're losing games. Mind you the defense give ups 31 points a game and they're special teams are embarrassing. No changes there.
How can you justify benching your franchise QB AND making him inactive the last 3 games of the season?
RG3: 60.1/3,203/16/12
Luck: 58.6/3,119/19/8
Wilson: 64.5/2,871/23/7
Kaep: 57.2/2,487/16/8
So what exactly is the big difference here besides the Skins are 3-10? RG3 ranks 2nd in completion %, 1st in yards, tied for 3rd in TDs, last in INTs. Yet no one is saying Kaep or Luck need to be benched.
B-Deep
Footballguy
Andrew Brandt @adbrandt19m
The @Redskins gave the Rams what will be a top five pick in the 2014 Draft, exchanged for a player made 3rd-string today. Carry on.
The @Redskins gave the Rams what will be a top five pick in the 2014 Draft, exchanged for a player made 3rd-string today. Carry on.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
maybe the organization did decide to shut RG3 down, call this season a mulligan and start over next year, sans Shanny.
RG3 tear his knee up again and it does no one any good
RG3 tear his knee up again and it does no one any good
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
We dont want either....move along
FUBAR
Footballguy
Which one isn't in the playoffs?Just looking at the stats of the 4 QBs (RG3, Luck, Wilson, Kaep):Come on, Bud. I see your avatar and realize you idolize the guy, but he's been horrible. This should have been done long ago. If he doesn't get back to being a big run threat, he may never get the job back from Cousins. Running is what made him so great. Take that constant threat away, and he is average. Below average, in fact.What else could it be?cstu said:I don't understand this theory that Shanahan is doing this to get back at Snyder. Is it because people say he was forced to draft RG3?You say that like Shanahan cares about what's best for the redskins future. He doesn't. I really don't think Shanny gives a #### what Cousins trade value ends up being. He's just sticking his finger in Snyder's eye.
Everyone loves piling on Griffin but here are his stats for the year on a 3-10 football team:
26 Robert Griffin III, QB WSH 274 456 60.1 3,203 7.02 62 16 12 38 82.2 246
ETA: Also has 489 yards rushing.
Not great but not the reason they're losing games. Mind you the defense give ups 31 points a game and they're special teams are embarrassing. No changes there.
How can you justify benching your franchise QB AND making him inactive the last 3 games of the season?
RG3: 60.1/3,203/16/12
Luck: 58.6/3,119/19/8
Wilson: 64.5/2,871/23/7
Kaep: 57.2/2,487/16/8
So what exactly is the big difference here besides the Skins are 3-10? RG3 ranks 2nd in completion %, 1st in yards, tied for 3rd in TDs, last in INTs. Yet no one is saying Kaep or Luck need to be benched.
Which has the lowest QB rating?
Which has the highest INT%?
I like RG3 enough and think he will be good in the future, but he's not doing it now.
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