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Konerko: Hall of Famer? (1 Viewer)

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Smack Tripper

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Lets put the resume out there a bit:

.283/.359/

.861 OPS

2059 hits

373 2b

402 HR

1278 RBI

13 full seasons prior to this one

5 time all star

2 top 10 MVP finishes(only one top 5)

6 100 rbi seasons

7 30 home run seasons

2005 ALCS MVP (on the way to the first White Sox title in 100 years)

Tough call, I thought he was closer just thinking about him. He's in his age 36 season.

Is he there?

If not, what does he have to do to get there?

 
'Smack Tripper said:
2005 ALCS MVP (on the way to the first White Sox title in 100 years)
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Whhhooooold on for just one minute. There's only one organization that's gone 100 years without a World Series. And while that organization happens to reside in Chicago, it sure in hell isn't the White Sox.
 
Back to the subject at hand. Mad love for Konerko. The guy is class both on and off the field, but he falls into the hall of very good category.

Figured McGriff would be a good comparison and through this recent age range (33-35), that's exactly who Baseball-Reference has McGriff compared to.

No one will ever wear #14 for the White Sox again and he certainly deserves that honor, but I doubt he makes the hall.

 
not close to the HOF.

not close to Dale Murphy

really not all that close to Fred McGriff either

a little better than Earl Torgeson

about the same as Wally Joyner and Jim Bottomley

 
'Limp Ditka said:
Back to the subject at hand. Mad love for Konerko. The guy is class both on and off the field, but he falls into the hall of very good category. Figured McGriff would be a good comparison and through this recent age range (33-35), that's exactly who Baseball-Reference has McGriff compared to.No one will ever wear #14 for the White Sox again and he certainly deserves that honor, but I doubt he makes the hall.
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I'm fascinated by the McGriff comp. I actually had it in my original post but pulled it out to see if anyone would also see it. Their bookend victims of perspective on the roid era I feel. McGriff established a baseline of productivity pre roids and didnt really deviate from it. Mcgriffs digits got eclipsed by his peers but to think if 7 more fly balls had a little push of breeze we'd see him as a lock versus now, at 493 homers, he's on the outside looking in. He's a HOFer in my book. And here we have konerko. He hasn't dipped offensively from the time of rampant abuse to a time of testing. His numbers pre 1994 would have left him knocking at the door now. But he's a work in progress and he still has work to do but with the time he has left, I don't know that he can get there and I don't know if that's fair. But these are exist as very fascinating case studies. If he can get to 500, which I would give him a 50-50 percent chance of doing, I think he'll get in. But if he finishes at 485, is he different player? And the white sox world series win, however long in between, is one of the most criminally underrated achievements of the last 25 years, and would have been a much bigger deal if not for the red sox ending their drought the year before.
 
'Limp Ditka said:
'oso diablo said:
really not all that close to Fred McGriff either
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:rolleyes:McGriff - .284/.377/.509 - Averaged 32HR and 102 RBI over each 162 games. Konerko - .283/.359/.502 - Averaged 32HR and 102 RBI over each 162 games.Yep - not all that close.
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Context matters. Konerko was playing in an era where offensive output was inflated. McGriff's career extended into the steroid era but he was clearly in decline by that point. McGriff's career OPS+ is in the clubhouse at 134 compared to Konerko's 122. I'd expect Konerko to slip a few points into Gil Hodges territory before he hangs them up. Hodges isn't in the HoF in spite of playing for one of the most famous teams of all-time and managing a WS victory that was even more improbable than the White Sox.
 
'Limp Ditka said:
Back to the subject at hand. Mad love for Konerko. The guy is class both on and off the field, but he falls into the hall of very good category. Figured McGriff would be a good comparison and through this recent age range (33-35), that's exactly who Baseball-Reference has McGriff compared to.No one will ever wear #14 for the White Sox again and he certainly deserves that honor, but I doubt he makes the hall.
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:goodposting:
 
No way if he retired today; lacking both the numbers and hardware. 5-6 more season (including this one) without too much of a dropoff and he has a good case.

 
'oso diablo said:
not close to the HOF.not close to Dale Murphyreally not all that close to Fred McGriff eithera little better than Earl Torgesonabout the same as Wally Joyner and Jim Bottomley
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:goodposting:It's a sad statement about the baseball HOF that a player like Konerko would even warrant consideration.
 
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