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Kurt Cobain - Montage of Heck Documentary (1 Viewer)

I always laugh when people try and downplay Cobain or the impact Nirvana had on music. He is only a handful of artists that completely transformed music in that day and age.

 
I always laugh when people try and downplay Cobain or the impact Nirvana had on music. He is only a handful of artists that completely transformed music in that day and age.
This is true, but he had horrendous taste in nipples.
This can be said about all of us at one point or another. I dont discriminate when it comes to boobies.
Not me. I am a nipple aficionado and only the best will do. :gang2:

 
I always laugh when people try and downplay Cobain or the impact Nirvana had on music. He is only a handful of artists that completely transformed music in that day and age.
This is true, but he had horrendous taste in nipples.
What's wrong with big nips/areolas? :shrug:
I'm not a fan of an areola that takes up 2/3 of the melon.
She was just about to or had just had a kid. The odd part was why was her ex-boyfriend, the bassist from Hole video taping them semi naked in the bathroom?

 
I always laugh when people try and downplay Cobain or the impact Nirvana had on music. He is only a handful of artists that completely transformed music in that day and age.
This is true, but he had horrendous taste in nipples.
What's wrong with big nips/areolas? :shrug:
I'm not a fan of an areola that takes up 2/3 of the melon.
The odd part was why was her ex-boyfriend, the bassist from Hole video taping them semi naked in the bathroom?
Heroin?

 
I always laugh when people try and downplay Cobain or the impact Nirvana had on music. He is only a handful of artists that completely transformed music in that day and age.
This is true, but he had horrendous taste in nipples.
This can be said about all of us at one point or another. I dont discriminate when it comes to boobies.
Not me. I am a nipple aficionado and only the best will do. :gang2:
You are missing out.

 
I always laugh when people try and downplay Cobain or the impact Nirvana had on music. He is only a handful of artists that completely transformed music in that day and age.
This is true, but he had horrendous taste in nipples.
This can be said about all of us at one point or another. I dont discriminate when it comes to boobies.
Not me. I am a nipple aficionado and only the best will do. :gang2:
You are missing out.
Believe me, those things are impossible to miss.

 
There never has been nor ever will be anything more sonically heavy than Nirvana. Just an unbelievable tone and groove to the music. So damn good. So sad Kurt ended himself and deprived the world of more of his music.

 
Thoughts: Courtney came off bad the minute she showed up in the doc. It was really a break into two moment fir the film. I feel bad for the guy, he had demons and I'm guessing something happen to him early on we will never know about.

Nirvana killed the hair band. I mean seriously, they were gone 2 weeks after that first album came out, Nirvana did Anerican music a favor.

This reminded more than a little of the Daniel Johnston doc.

Grohl is hardly visible in this movie.

 
I was a freshman in high school when nirvana appeared... I bought nevermind after hearing smells like for the first time. Like went to the mall that day and bought it.

But then... Maybe some high school disaffectedness of my own, they got too big and too on too much cultural gravity and bloat to me and I was 180 against their protracted pageant of angst.

I did later like that unplugged where they seemed to get back to their essence but cobains death, as a High schooler at the time did absolutely nothing to me. It seemed inevitable if not cliche that the rock star who was so torturted would do this. I recall thinking, well that's not surprising.

But there's one image of cobain that I never could shake and always always stuck with me.

It was him holding Frances at the mtv awards (music or movie I don't know ,'had to be 93).

I remember just seeing him, he looked so content, and delicate but it impressed me how much he LOOKED like a father. Some people have nannies and they look lost holding their own child. But that image stood with me as, this guy is a dad, and if not a good one, an active one at the very least.

And it humanized him for me.

This doc only serves as the amplification of that impression. The whole doc stresses his private nature and sensitiveness so seeing video so intimate almost feels like an intrusion. But I couldn't turn away and I'm glad we got to see it strictly from the sense of being a definitive document on him that might finally let his daughter get on with her life.

In every sense, to me, this closes the book on Kurt Cobain. There is nothing more that needs to be said about him the man. We saw him and we read selected excerpts of his journals leading to his death.

I'm somewhat torn on him. I really never want to see anyone kill themselves but in points and places like Kurt got to, once he lived his dreams and had all the money he needs and had a family and it probably changed absolutely nothing in him, do you feel like you'll ever get out of that hole, that pain. I would almost have total sympathy.

But for his daughter.

That changed everything or should have and it's crappy to leave your kid holding the bag of your death. Nevermind putting the whole baggage of KURT COBAIN on her.

But I do have compassion for him and wish he was here. Not to make music, but to be the guy that we say where are they now about while he got to see his daughter grow into the beautiful woman she became.

I see this doc not about music or a band but a search for family. It was Kurt's quest and though she's not at all a physical presence, her contribution of the most intimate content and and role as a producer tells me on some level perhaps, she's hoping to engage the enigma that was her dad and unpeel the onion of her existence.

 
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I was a freshman in high school when nirvana appeared... I bought nevermind after hearing smells like for the first time. Like went to the mall that day and bought it.

But then... Maybe some high school disaffectedness of my own, they got too big and too on too much cultural gravity and bloat to me and I was 180 against their protracted pageant of angst.

I did later like that unplugged where they seemed to get back to their essence but cobains death, as a High schooler at the time did absolutely nothing to me. It seemed inevitable if not cliche that the rock star who was so torturted would do this. I recall thinking, well that's not surprising.

But there's one image of cobain that I never could shake and always always stuck with me.

It was him holding Frances at the mtv awards (music or movie I don't know ,'had to be 93).

I remember just seeing him, he looked so content, and delicate but it impressed me how much he LOOKED like a father. Some people have nannies and they look lost holding their own child. But that image stood with me as, this guy is a dad, and if not a good one, an active one at the very least.

And it humanized him for me.

This doc only serves as the amplification of that impression. The whole doc stresses his private nature and sensitiveness so seeing video so intimate almost feels like an intrusion. But I couldn't turn away and I'm glad we got to see it strictly from the sense of being a definitive document on him that might finally let his daughter get on with her life.

In every sense, to me, this closes the book on Kurt Cobain. There is nothing more that needs to be said about him the man. We saw him and we read selected excerpts of his journals leading to his death.

I'm somewhat torn on him. I really never want to see anyone kill themselves but in points and places like Kurt got to, once he lived his dreams and had all the money he needs and had a family and it probably changed absolutely nothing in him, do you feel like you'll ever get out of that hole, that pain. I would almost have total sympathy.

But for his daughter.

That changed everything or should have and it's crappy to leave your kid holding the bag of your death. Nevermind putting the whole baggage of KURT COBAIN on her.

But I do have compassion for him and wish he was here. Not to make music, but to be the guy that we say where are they now about while he got to see his daughter grow into the beautiful woman she became.

I see this doc not about music or a band but a search for family. It was Kurt's quest and though she's not at all a physical presence, her contribution of the most intimate content and and role as a producer tells me on some level perhaps, she's hoping to engage the enigma that was her dad and unpeel the onion of her existence.
Right, but through all of that, were you aware that Courtney's knockers each had their own areola code?

 
I was a freshman in high school when nirvana appeared... I bought nevermind after hearing smells like for the first time. Like went to the mall that day and bought it.

But then... Maybe some high school disaffectedness of my own, they got too big and too on too much cultural gravity and bloat to me and I was 180 against their protracted pageant of angst.

I did later like that unplugged where they seemed to get back to their essence but cobains death, as a High schooler at the time did absolutely nothing to me. It seemed inevitable if not cliche that the rock star who was so torturted would do this. I recall thinking, well that's not surprising.

But there's one image of cobain that I never could shake and always always stuck with me.

It was him holding Frances at the mtv awards (music or movie I don't know ,'had to be 93).

I remember just seeing him, he looked so content, and delicate but it impressed me how much he LOOKED like a father. Some people have nannies and they look lost holding their own child. But that image stood with me as, this guy is a dad, and if not a good one, an active one at the very least.

And it humanized him for me.

This doc only serves as the amplification of that impression. The whole doc stresses his private nature and sensitiveness so seeing video so intimate almost feels like an intrusion. But I couldn't turn away and I'm glad we got to see it strictly from the sense of being a definitive document on him that might finally let his daughter get on with her life.

In every sense, to me, this closes the book on Kurt Cobain. There is nothing more that needs to be said about him the man. We saw him and we read selected excerpts of his journals leading to his death.

I'm somewhat torn on him. I really never want to see anyone kill themselves but in points and places like Kurt got to, once he lived his dreams and had all the money he needs and had a family and it probably changed absolutely nothing in him, do you feel like you'll ever get out of that hole, that pain. I would almost have total sympathy.

But for his daughter.

That changed everything or should have and it's crappy to leave your kid holding the bag of your death. Nevermind putting the whole baggage of KURT COBAIN on her.

But I do have compassion for him and wish he was here. Not to make music, but to be the guy that we say where are they now about while he got to see his daughter grow into the beautiful woman she became.

I see this doc not about music or a band but a search for family. It was Kurt's quest and though she's not at all a physical presence, her contribution of the most intimate content and and role as a producer tells me on some level perhaps, she's hoping to engage the enigma that was her dad and unpeel the onion of her existence.
Right, but through all of that, were you aware that Courtney's knockers each had their own areola code?
yes but they looked like chewed up dog toys found in the muck after Hurricane Sandy...I've never actually wanted pixelation

 
I was a freshman in high school when nirvana appeared... I bought nevermind after hearing smells like for the first time. Like went to the mall that day and bought it.

But then... Maybe some high school disaffectedness of my own, they got too big and too on too much cultural gravity and bloat to me and I was 180 against their protracted pageant of angst.

I did later like that unplugged where they seemed to get back to their essence but cobains death, as a High schooler at the time did absolutely nothing to me. It seemed inevitable if not cliche that the rock star who was so torturted would do this. I recall thinking, well that's not surprising.

But there's one image of cobain that I never could shake and always always stuck with me.

It was him holding Frances at the mtv awards (music or movie I don't know ,'had to be 93).

I remember just seeing him, he looked so content, and delicate but it impressed me how much he LOOKED like a father. Some people have nannies and they look lost holding their own child. But that image stood with me as, this guy is a dad, and if not a good one, an active one at the very least.

And it humanized him for me.

This doc only serves as the amplification of that impression. The whole doc stresses his private nature and sensitiveness so seeing video so intimate almost feels like an intrusion. But I couldn't turn away and I'm glad we got to see it strictly from the sense of being a definitive document on him that might finally let his daughter get on with her life.

In every sense, to me, this closes the book on Kurt Cobain. There is nothing more that needs to be said about him the man. We saw him and we read selected excerpts of his journals leading to his death.

I'm somewhat torn on him. I really never want to see anyone kill themselves but in points and places like Kurt got to, once he lived his dreams and had all the money he needs and had a family and it probably changed absolutely nothing in him, do you feel like you'll ever get out of that hole, that pain. I would almost have total sympathy.

But for his daughter.

That changed everything or should have and it's crappy to leave your kid holding the bag of your death. Nevermind putting the whole baggage of KURT COBAIN on her.

But I do have compassion for him and wish he was here. Not to make music, but to be the guy that we say where are they now about while he got to see his daughter grow into the beautiful woman she became.

I see this doc not about music or a band but a search for family. It was Kurt's quest and though she's not at all a physical presence, her contribution of the most intimate content and and role as a producer tells me on some level perhaps, she's hoping to engage the enigma that was her dad and unpeel the onion of her existence.
Right, but through all of that, were you aware that Courtney's knockers each had their own areola code?
yes but they looked like chewed up dog toys found in the muck after Hurricane Sandy...I've never actually wanted pixelation
:lmao:

 
Thoughts: Courtney came off bad the minute she showed up in the doc. It was really a break into two moment fir the film. I feel bad for the guy, he had demons and I'm guessing something happen to him early on we will never know about.

Nirvana killed the hair band. I mean seriously, they were gone 2 weeks after that first album came out, Nirvana did Anerican music a favor.

This reminded more than a little of the Daniel Johnston doc.

Grohl is hardly visible in this movie.
I agree completely, Felt as they really pushed the mentally tortured artist angle.

Overall, I thought this was just ok.

 
I think someone will one day have to explain the mystery of how some people can find themselves with everything, talent, any woman they want, fame, the easy life, the sweet life, whatever, and still can't find the cure for what ails them inside.

But he also had a real physical ailment, what was that actually? Was that caused by the way he sang (as he described it) or did he have some actual physical condition. The guy could have gotten literally any doctor in the world. Of course if Love had really loved him, that would have been item 1 on her agenda.

 
I think someone will one day have to explain the mystery of how some people can find themselves with everything, talent, any woman they want, fame, the easy life, the sweet life, whatever, and still can't find the cure for what ails them inside.

But he also had a real physical ailment, what was that actually? Was that caused by the way he sang (as he described it) or did he have some actual physical condition. The guy could have gotten literally any doctor in the world. Of course if Love had really loved him, that would have been item 1 on her agenda.
If you watched the movie it pretty much lays out through interviews with his folks, sister and his writings that he feared abandonment and his parents did that to him at an early age and he never recovered.

 
I was a freshman in high school when nirvana appeared... I bought nevermind after hearing smells like for the first time. Like went to the mall that day and bought it.

But then... Maybe some high school disaffectedness of my own, they got too big and too on too much cultural gravity and bloat to me and I was 180 against their protracted pageant of angst.

I did later like that unplugged where they seemed to get back to their essence but cobains death, as a High schooler at the time did absolutely nothing to me. It seemed inevitable if not cliche that the rock star who was so torturted would do this. I recall thinking, well that's not surprising.

But there's one image of cobain that I never could shake and always always stuck with me.

It was him holding Frances at the mtv awards (music or movie I don't know ,'had to be 93).

I remember just seeing him, he looked so content, and delicate but it impressed me how much he LOOKED like a father. Some people have nannies and they look lost holding their own child. But that image stood with me as, this guy is a dad, and if not a good one, an active one at the very least.

And it humanized him for me.

This doc only serves as the amplification of that impression. The whole doc stresses his private nature and sensitiveness so seeing video so intimate almost feels like an intrusion. But I couldn't turn away and I'm glad we got to see it strictly from the sense of being a definitive document on him that might finally let his daughter get on with her life.

In every sense, to me, this closes the book on Kurt Cobain. There is nothing more that needs to be said about him the man. We saw him and we read selected excerpts of his journals leading to his death.

I'm somewhat torn on him. I really never want to see anyone kill themselves but in points and places like Kurt got to, once he lived his dreams and had all the money he needs and had a family and it probably changed absolutely nothing in him, do you feel like you'll ever get out of that hole, that pain. I would almost have total sympathy.

But for his daughter.

That changed everything or should have and it's crappy to leave your kid holding the bag of your death. Nevermind putting the whole baggage of KURT COBAIN on her.

But I do have compassion for him and wish he was here. Not to make music, but to be the guy that we say where are they now about while he got to see his daughter grow into the beautiful woman she became.

I see this doc not about music or a band but a search for family. It was Kurt's quest and though she's not at all a physical presence, her contribution of the most intimate content and and role as a producer tells me on some level perhaps, she's hoping to engage the enigma that was her dad and unpeel the onion of her existence.
Right, but through all of that, were you aware that Courtney's knockers each had their own areola code?
yes but they looked like chewed up dog toys found in the muck after Hurricane Sandy...I've never actually wanted pixelation
that is a haggard women. I have always thought she was just riding his coat tails...
 
I was a freshman in high school when nirvana appeared... I bought nevermind after hearing smells like for the first time. Like went to the mall that day and bought it.

But then... Maybe some high school disaffectedness of my own, they got too big and too on too much cultural gravity and bloat to me and I was 180 against their protracted pageant of angst.

I did later like that unplugged where they seemed to get back to their essence but cobains death, as a High schooler at the time did absolutely nothing to me. It seemed inevitable if not cliche that the rock star who was so torturted would do this. I recall thinking, well that's not surprising.

But there's one image of cobain that I never could shake and always always stuck with me.

It was him holding Frances at the mtv awards (music or movie I don't know ,'had to be 93).

I remember just seeing him, he looked so content, and delicate but it impressed me how much he LOOKED like a father. Some people have nannies and they look lost holding their own child. But that image stood with me as, this guy is a dad, and if not a good one, an active one at the very least.

And it humanized him for me.

This doc only serves as the amplification of that impression. The whole doc stresses his private nature and sensitiveness so seeing video so intimate almost feels like an intrusion. But I couldn't turn away and I'm glad we got to see it strictly from the sense of being a definitive document on him that might finally let his daughter get on with her life.

In every sense, to me, this closes the book on Kurt Cobain. There is nothing more that needs to be said about him the man. We saw him and we read selected excerpts of his journals leading to his death.

I'm somewhat torn on him. I really never want to see anyone kill themselves but in points and places like Kurt got to, once he lived his dreams and had all the money he needs and had a family and it probably changed absolutely nothing in him, do you feel like you'll ever get out of that hole, that pain. I would almost have total sympathy.

But for his daughter.

That changed everything or should have and it's crappy to leave your kid holding the bag of your death. Nevermind putting the whole baggage of KURT COBAIN on her.

But I do have compassion for him and wish he was here. Not to make music, but to be the guy that we say where are they now about while he got to see his daughter grow into the beautiful woman she became.

I see this doc not about music or a band but a search for family. It was Kurt's quest and though she's not at all a physical presence, her contribution of the most intimate content and and role as a producer tells me on some level perhaps, she's hoping to engage the enigma that was her dad and unpeel the onion of her existence.
Right, but through all of that, were you aware that Courtney's knockers each had their own areola code?
yes but they looked like chewed up dog toys found in the muck after Hurricane Sandy...I've never actually wanted pixelation
that is a haggard women. I have always thought she was just riding his coat tails...
No talent starf**ker with "Red spot of Jupiter" nips.

 
I think someone will one day have to explain the mystery of how some people can find themselves with everything, talent, any woman they want, fame, the easy life, the sweet life, whatever, and still can't find the cure for what ails them inside.

But he also had a real physical ailment, what was that actually? Was that caused by the way he sang (as he described it) or did he have some actual physical condition. The guy could have gotten literally any doctor in the world. Of course if Love had really loved him, that would have been item 1 on her agenda.
I don't know if science knows today so who knows 20 year ago but a lot of stress seems to manifest in the gut. I believe ulcers are understood to be stress related.

You take that knowledge and you put the trappings of fame on it and how bizarre that really must be, I mean grunge wasn't a style it was a necessity for these guys they shopped at thrift stores, and you are internationally known overnight with no anchors or stability in your life and then throw an addiction to the harshest drug around on top of it and we get what we got.

 
I think someone will one day have to explain the mystery of how some people can find themselves with everything, talent, any woman they want, fame, the easy life, the sweet life, whatever, and still can't find the cure for what ails them inside.

But he also had a real physical ailment, what was that actually? Was that caused by the way he sang (as he described it) or did he have some actual physical condition. The guy could have gotten literally any doctor in the world. Of course if Love had really loved him, that would have been item 1 on her agenda.
I don't know if science knows today so who knows 20 year ago but a lot of stress seems to manifest in the gut. I believe ulcers are understood to be stress related.

You take that knowledge and you put the trappings of fame on it and how bizarre that really must be, I mean grunge wasn't a style it was a necessity for these guys they shopped at thrift stores, and you are internationally known overnight with no anchors or stability in your life and then throw an addiction to the harshest drug around on top of it and we get what we got.
Not to mention, he had to look at.................. well, you know.

 
And just so you young guys understand, if we have anyone here who didn't live through this, (pardon the pun) and the doc does ignore this signicant fact.... There was no "Courtney love" before cobain. She was a zilch in punk/hardcore circles living on the novelty of an all girl band. This wasn't a power couple who came together, and hope didn't have success until he died.

She had a bit part in sid and nancy in 1986 and got nothing going for years later.

He was absolutely a boost to her profile. Hell he IS her profile.

 
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And just so you young guys understand, if we have anyone here who didn't live through this, (pardon the pun) and the doc does ignore this signicant fact.... There was no "Courtney love" before cobain. She was a zilch in punk/hardcore circles living on the novelty of an all girl band. This wasn't a power couple who came together, and hope didn't have success until he died.

She had a bit part in sid and nancy in 1986 and got nothing going for years later.

He was absolutely a boost to her profile. Hell he IS her profile.
Until he died and she started banging Billy Corgan so she had someone to write songs for her. Notice how as soon as that relationship ended and she wasn't receiving any injections of talent, her career dried up faster than a booger on the sidewalk in August.

 
And just so you young guys understand, if we have anyone here who didn't live through this, (pardon the pun) and the doc does ignore this signicant fact.... There was no "Courtney love" before cobain. She was a zilch in punk/hardcore circles living on the novelty of an all girl band. This wasn't a power couple who came together, and hope didn't have success until he died.

She had a bit part in sid and nancy in 1986 and got nothing going for years later.

He was absolutely a boost to her profile. Hell he IS her profile.
Until he died and she started banging Billy Corgan so she had someone to write songs for her. Notice how as soon as that relationship ended and she wasn't receiving any injections of talent, her career dried up faster than a booger on the sidewalk in August.
Or was it Trent Reznor? I can't keep track.

 
pantherclub said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I think someone will one day have to explain the mystery of how some people can find themselves with everything, talent, any woman they want, fame, the easy life, the sweet life, whatever, and still can't find the cure for what ails them inside.

But he also had a real physical ailment, what was that actually? Was that caused by the way he sang (as he described it) or did he have some actual physical condition. The guy could have gotten literally any doctor in the world. Of course if Love had really loved him, that would have been item 1 on her agenda.
If you watched the movie it pretty much lays out through interviews with his folks, sister and his writings that he feared abandonment and his parents did that to him at an early age and he never recovered.
And he was probably a manic depressive or had some other sort of undiagnosed mental issue. His fractured family life was probably a trigger and his self medicating exacerbated it. The irony was that his unhappiness and pain was his muse that ultimately made his art successful. He basically became rich and famous because of his unhappiness. Kind of a no win situation there. I can't imagine Kurt Cobain singing about bunnies and rainbows and still having the success he had. At some point, even with feeling happy about his daughter and success, he had to realize he was trapped and that he couldn't allow himself to be happy or he would lose the life he had built.

 
I just hope that poor girl, with the difficult hand she's been dealt, has her father's nips instead of those Nutella covered, chewed up, dried up chunks of baloney her talentless hag of a mom had. Wonder if they touched those up during her chesticle upgrade? I don't remember them being that heinous in that Larry Flynt movie but I'm afraid to go back and look into it.

 
I just hope that poor girl, with the difficult hand she's been dealt, has her father's nips instead of those Nutella covered, chewed up, dried up chunks of baloney her talentless hag of a mom had. Wonder if they touched those up during her chesticle upgrade? I don't remember them being that heinous in that Larry Flynt movie but I'm afraid to go back and look into it.
:lmao:

 
Allright! Much to my better judgment I had to google image search "Courtney Love nude". God help me. Looking through a half opened eye annnnnddd....what am I missing EG? They're not that big in that search. :scared:

 
I just hope that poor girl, with the difficult hand she's been dealt, has her father's nips instead of those Nutella covered, chewed up, dried up chunks of baloney her talentless hag of a mom had. Wonder if they touched those up during her chesticle upgrade? I don't remember them being that heinous in that Larry Flynt movie but I'm afraid to go back and look into it.
I'd still hit it

 
Great documentary. Difficult to watch, but you really stepped inside of his head. Made me appreciate nirvana that much more.

I'm a firm believer in "all good music comes from pain". That and banging a chick with huge nipples.

 
Surprised more people are blaming Courtney and no blame on his mother and even his father to a certain extent.

I.would put all of his psychosis on the fact that his mother basically threw him out like a piece of garbage. That manifested when Courtney was "thinking" of having an affair

 
Surprised more people are blaming Courtney and no blame on his mother and even his father to a certain extent.

I.would put all of his psychosis on the fact that his mother basically threw him out like a piece of garbage. That manifested when Courtney was "thinking" of having an affair
Throwing kids out was a lot more common then. Never really hear of it now but I had a lot of friends who were in a cycle like this.

None wrote great songs but then again none killed themselves

 

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