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Kurt Warner (1 Viewer)
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hellz_fireflies
Footballguy
He will be ranked the way he plays, nobody can answer that question yet.
His health and his immobility are both red flags. Further, he has been benched the last three teams he has been with. I tend to think Warner is the perfect guy to trade...someone will remember what he has done in the past, but I think the odds of him finding the type of seasons he had with the Rams are low. A much riskier version of Kitna is probably where I would rank him. I'd start him when he is playing if I had been using QBBC, but I wouldn't get rid of my backups.
tombonneau
Footballguy
I swear, people have short memories. As much as everyone liked to #2 all over Leinart, they seem to forget how awful Warner was playing when Babby Daddy replaced him last year.
RBM
Footballguy
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
Warner is just as talented as old man Kitna, so if he can get decent protection he should be a low-end #1 QB. He's not in a Martz offense, so that should limit his attempts. But you have to like his situation with Boldin, Fitz, Edge, and decent protection. I would say he is top 12 material at this point.
Ice Cream Man
Footballguy
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Isn't warner's fumbling problem a short memory? I don't remember him fumbling much during the greatest show on turf.It seems you are being very selective about what you choose to remember.
ericttspikes
Footballguy
He'll rank WAY above my QB1 Drew Brees.
I think he's played great in limited time. AZ has a run game and some great receivers. They are also playing good ball right now on D. I think he has a shot to put up some good numbers.
If Edge can regain his form, why not Warner?
I think he's played great in limited time. AZ has a run game and some great receivers. They are also playing good ball right now on D. I think he has a shot to put up some good numbers.
If Edge can regain his form, why not Warner?
Pound
Footballguy
Who has the short memory? Warner wasn't awful, despite being yanked.wk 1: 23 for 37, 301yds, 3td, 0intwk 2: 24 for 38, 231yds, 1td, 1intwk 3: 19 for 28, 256yds, 1td, 3intwk 4: 11 for 20, 128yds, 0td, 1int <-- pulled in this game for Leinart who finished with 6 for 9, 54yds, 0td, 1 int.Not stellar numbers but not "awful" either. Aside from the great 2 WRs Warner had no supporting cast. Warner wasn't the problem last year, the suck-### coach was the problem... along with no protection, no commitment to the running game, yada yada. His benching was a desperation act from a coach who had no answers to fix a team that had a lot of problems.Kurt has done very well so far when he's had a chance to play. He's a low-end #1, high-end #2 for the rest of the season.
Texican
Footballguy
Did you forget:wk 1: 3 fumbleswk 2: 4 fumbleswk 3: 1 fumble (to go along with 3 INTs)wk 4: 2 fumblesI'm not saying he can't put up good numbers, but the last time he started he was not the same old Greatest Show on Turf QB.
shakeybarn
Footballguy
Thank you for saving me the time on comment/posting that NEEDED further clarity.
Bears_Man2
Footballguy
Easy QB1 IMO. (Top 12)
Watched every AZ game and he looks like a different QB (yes I've seen all the failures). He's now wearing gloves, which seem to be helping him get a better grip on the ball. I've yet to see the wobbley (sp) passes of year's past.
I don't trade him (I don't think you're getting much regardless). Looking at some current QB performance around the league, I can't see how people would think he wasn't a QB1.
Watched every AZ game and he looks like a different QB (yes I've seen all the failures). He's now wearing gloves, which seem to be helping him get a better grip on the ball. I've yet to see the wobbley (sp) passes of year's past.
I don't trade him (I don't think you're getting much regardless). Looking at some current QB performance around the league, I can't see how people would think he wasn't a QB1.
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I am looking at this through my start 2QB-colored glasses. I agree in a start 1QB league he isn't worht that much to anyone who didn't count on Drew Brees or Jay Cutler to be theri number one.
tombonneau
Footballguy
Stats don't tell the whole story. I saw those games. Warner looked bad outside of week 1. Sometimes you have to trust your eyes.Haven't been able to see him play much this year, so can't comment, but I distinctly remember watching those games and noting that Warner looked like a corpse.
how about when he threw for 356 yards against the Chargers in week 17. Did you forget that? How far off is that from your "greatest show on turf QB" analogy?If you're gonna talk about the last time he started then talk about the last time he started
hellz_fireflies
Footballguy
Going into week 6 now, if you need a QB bad or a fill in, get Warner (best on WW as of now). But he will get hurt first before he has bad games..he's not mobile and is old (bones break easy then). He'll be good for playing against weaker DT's only in some weeks. As for Matt even if he comes back ( 6-8 weeks), doubt he ever play again this season as a starter (thats why they had the QBBC before he got hurt) he wasn't good at the hurry up offense!
blow off a 356 game and then roll your eyes that's always useful to debates about FFYou mean the last game of the season when the Chargers starters did not finish the game? Ok, ok his "last start" was a gem.
clinton_c
Footballguy
I have Roethlesberger as my starter, and my backups are Anderson and Bulger. I am considering picking up Warner for a few weeks (just in case he blows up).
However I can't see releasing Bulger or Anderson for him, so I will probably have to pick him up and release another bench player.
4 QBs on a 14 man roster....most likely a first in my league.
I would like to thank the St.Louis offense for this prediciment and for pissing me off the entire season.
However I can't see releasing Bulger or Anderson for him, so I will probably have to pick him up and release another bench player.
4 QBs on a 14 man roster....most likely a first in my league.
I would like to thank the St.Louis offense for this prediciment and for pissing me off the entire season.
just curious, how long will you wait on St Louis, and more specifically Bulger, to turn it around?
clinton_c
Footballguy
You know what...that's a good question, and I think it depends on a few things.1.How well Big Ben/Anderson and now possibly Warner play.2.I have a few QB hungry teams waiting to jump on QBs...3.How long they estimate it will take Bulger to come back healthy.4.How many injuries I get along the way...if I can get through these big bye weeks I should be fine.I am mentally set to wait up until the fantasy playoffs to see if he begins to look like himself...but things could change.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Seriously, who is the QB #2 in Arizona? Boldin is the emergency QB, but surely he can't be the #2 now.![[scooter]](/data/avatars/m/22/22287.jpg?1659477690){kind=avatar}
[scooter]
Footballguy
Cardinals are bringing in Rattay and (gulp) Testaverde for workouts.
hellz_fireflies
Footballguy
VINNY
If Leinart is out any amount of time, Warner looks pretty darn good judging by their schedule:
Carolina
@Washington
Bye
@TB
Detroit
@Cincinnati
SF
Cleveland
@Seattle
@NO
Atlanta
St. Louis
Check out Weeks 10-13, when most of us will be making playoff pushes. At home against Detroit, at Cincinnati and at home against Cleveland. If Leinart is out until that stretch, or if Warner can keep him on the bench, he's starter material in the most critical part of the season.
Carolina
@Washington
Bye
@TB
Detroit
@Cincinnati
SF
Cleveland
@Seattle
@NO
Atlanta
St. Louis
Check out Weeks 10-13, when most of us will be making playoff pushes. At home against Detroit, at Cincinnati and at home against Cleveland. If Leinart is out until that stretch, or if Warner can keep him on the bench, he's starter material in the most critical part of the season.
kupcho1
Footballguy
I've added the current ranks of the defense (in terms of points per game allowed to the QB position; 6 per TD, 1/20 yards passing, 1/10 yards rush/recv). Any DEF in the top 10 in terms of ease of schedule is in green. Stingy defenses (at least in terms of PPG to QB) are in red.If Warner can stay upright until facing Detroit, he's got some real cupcakes in FF crunch time. (And if you have or can acquire McNabb - another injury risk, I'll admit - they make a sweet combination from weeks 13 on as McNabb hosts NYG week 14 and travels to NO week 16 when Warner has SEA and ATL respectively.)
very interesting. and i don't think anyone really thinks atlanta's defense is that good - they've played the jags, vikings, panthers, texans, and titans so far, which oughta be helping their pass D numbers.
Warner is wearing some gloves now that may be helping with his fumblng problems. He saw Ben Roethlisberger wearing them and tried them out.
The_Man
Footballguy
I was at the game where Warner torched Baltimore and he looked good. Very good. The Ravens had totally shut down Leinart -- Warner was effective in his limited no-huddle in the first half, and when he came in in the second half, the Cards were down 17 and had shown no ability to run the ball. Baltimore knew Warner was going to pass and he still lit them up.
I have Bulger, and drafted Favre to be my backup. I'm trying to get Warner this week to back up Favre and plan to drop Bulger to get him.
I have Bulger, and drafted Favre to be my backup. I'm trying to get Warner this week to back up Favre and plan to drop Bulger to get him.
uwgb96
Footballguy
I'm in a similar situation in a 12 team league with 15 man rosters (Roethlisberger with Bulger as a backup). I'm giving Bulger the boot and going for Warner. Maybe it's dreams of grandeur with Fitz on my team, but I'm looking for big things from Warner given the schedule.
Arnold. S
Footballguy
i got the exact same situation man, going with Big Ben and Warner after getting rid of Bulger
turleyfan
Footballguy
Added him as a QB2 on both teams that needed him. One league starts 2 QB's, and I dropped J Campbell for him. The other I'll do the QBBC thing with him and Kitna. Not that anyone cares about my teams, just pointing out that there are situations where he doesn't need to be the NFL MVP he once was to be fantasy relevant. Arizona is (so far) protecting the QB well, and Warner was always able to find guys given the time.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
look at it this way.... the way Rattay is playing... warner's job is safe.
Young 8
Footballguy
Warner was looking good coming from the bench for Leinart with the no-huddle offense (and people said "Leinart is garbage....start Kurt"
)...now that he starts from the beginning of the match you see the result....
Texican
Footballguy
As I stated above, the guy is a turnover machine.
Since becoming starter:
Week 6: 0 INTs / 1 Fumble / 1 Fumble Lost - (out early with an injury)
Week 7: 2 INTs / 2 Fumbles / 1 Fumble Lost
Week 8: 0 INTs / 0 Fumbles - WHOO HOO! (Okay, so it was a bye)
Week 9: 2 INTs / 0 Fumbles
He may get things on track and look better, but he looks to be back in form.
Since becoming starter:
Week 6: 0 INTs / 1 Fumble / 1 Fumble Lost - (out early with an injury)
Week 7: 2 INTs / 2 Fumbles / 1 Fumble Lost
Week 8: 0 INTs / 0 Fumbles - WHOO HOO! (Okay, so it was a bye)
Week 9: 2 INTs / 0 Fumbles
He may get things on track and look better, but he looks to be back in form.
Bears_Man2
Footballguy
The Tampa D was swarming all day. Arizona couldn't run the ball. Arizona couldn't pass the ball. Frankly, I'm quite surprised it ended as only a 7 point game.Where Kurt really excelled early in the year was the no huddle and for some reason Whisenhunt and staff aren't calling for that. I believe in the future they will start going to more of it because more and more people in the area are starting to question why they aren't doing it more.I still expect Kurt to be a top 12 qb over the rest of the year. I didn't expect much from the passing game @ Tampa. I just didn't expect total domination of the pass & run by the Tampa D.
he also got his arm bent up like a pretzel in that time tooYoung 8 said:Warner was looking good coming from the bench for Leinart with the no-huddle offense (and people said "Leinart is garbage....start Kurt"Rogi said:
the spanker
Footballguy
Considering all of the QB who've gone down this year or smoking up the joint. Warner could become a force with that cupcake schedule going forward.he also got his arm bent up like a pretzel in that time tooWarner was looking good coming from the bench for Leinart with the no-huddle offense (and people said "Leinart is garbage....start Kurt")...now that he starts from the beginning of the match you see the result....
