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[Blackjacks]

Report: Broncos want 2nd-round pick for Orton

The Denver Post considers Kyle Orton "likely" to be traded this offseason, and reports that the Broncos will ask for a second-round pick in return.

The Post is either guessing or got this information from someone close to GM Brian Xanders, because the Broncos don't even have a head coach. Still, it is noteworthy that there is at least some feeling in Denver that Tim Tebow is the future at quarterback. Orton finished the 2010 season with a 20:9 TD-to-INT ratio. He's played in a vast array of offenses in his career, and should strongly appeal to teams like the Cardinals, Vikings, and 49ers. Jan. 4 - 9:54 am et

Source: Denver Post

If I'm Arizona or Minnesota I would strongly look into Orton. I don't know if I'd give a 2nd rounder but I think he is the best qb available (that includeds McNabb and Kolb)

As a Sidney Rice and Larry Fitzgerald owner I would welcome Orton in either place

 

[mcjc4]

I believe Minny gave up a 3rd for Moss, not having a 2nd or 3rd on an aging team could be to costly. Pat Williams,Winfield,Hutchinson are all starters and are all past their prime and replacements will be needed. Not sure they can afford it. That Moss trade is just a killer.

 

[Sinrman]

A team that is struggling at the QB position should give him a shot. A 2nd rounder might be a bit pricey, but hey, unless there is a better rookie QB or veteran that

can be had at a cheaper price, why not try him out? He played quite well when he was the starter..

 

[The Kuhn]

How committed is Washington to Grossman? I can see Snyder not balking at a 2nd rounder, and Shanny gets to deal with the Broncos.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

He really crashed hard at the end there. I'd still take him in SF but not for a second rounder.

 

[King of the Jungle]

ARI should sign the dotted line right now.

 

[Football Jones]

Somebody will bite. Orton can play.

 

[Concept Coop]

Asking for a 2nd means they would settle for less. Maybe a 3 and a 5, or something conditional.

 

[todisco1]

Bunch of teams are in desperate need of a QB. I would think this is a sellers market right now.

 

[David Yudkin]

Until they have a coach, I don't see the Broncos trading anyone.

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

Somebody will bite. Orton can play.

I think Orton has had an absolutely fascinating last two years.In 09, he had a good season:336/54162.1 Completion %7.0 YPA21 TDs12 INTsThe last couple of seasons, those stats would put him as a middle of the pack (12-20) NFL starter.In 2010, he flew out of the gates. In his first five games, he put up the following numbers:141/21366.2 Completion %8.1 YPA8 TDs3 INTsThose are Brady/Manning/Brees numbers. But then something happened, in the last 8 games of 2010, he put up:152/28553.3 Completion %6.7 YPA12 TDs6 INTsThose numbers are poor and most QBs won't keep a job long with them. What's more, is those numbers are much closer to everything Orton has done in his career before going to Denver.It's just my opinion, but I think that Orton is most likely a bottom 5-10 starting NFL QB with a mediocre upside. He may put up some nice fantasy games if he goes somewhere that likes to throw a ton (Arizona), but he's definitely not the type of QB that will take a team to the next level.Best Case - Goes to a team with a great D and puts together a Dilfer/Brad Johnson season.Worst Case - Kyle Orton pre-2009.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

hate to admit it, but dude can play.....I believe the Broncos had the worst rushing offense in the league for most of the season.....put him in a sitaution where there is a running game and a solid defense.......(none of which he had in Denver) and I think the dude performs.....Minnesota makes too much sense..........

 

[munchkin]

Arizona and San Fran make sense. In that division a starting caliber QB matched with a solid receiving corp should produce instant results. KC gave up a high 2nd rounder for Cassel; the team paying for Orton would arguably know more about what it is getting than KC did. I believe he is also signed to a reasonable contract extension.

 

[Sweet Love]

Somebody will bite. Orton can play.

I think Orton has had an absolutely fascinating last two years.In 09, he had a good season:336/54162.1 Completion %7.0 YPA21 TDs12 INTsThe last couple of seasons, those stats would put him as a middle of the pack (12-20) NFL starter.In 2010, he flew out of the gates. In his first five games, he put up the following numbers:141/21366.2 Completion %8.1 YPA8 TDs3 INTsThose are Brady/Manning/Brees numbers. But then something happened, in the last 8 games of 2010, he put up:152/28553.3 Completion %6.7 YPA12 TDs6 INTsThose numbers are poor and most QBs won't keep a job long with them. What's more, is those numbers are much closer to everything Orton has done in his career before going to Denver.It's just my opinion, but I think that Orton is most likely a bottom 5-10 starting NFL QB with a mediocre upside. He may put up some nice fantasy games if he goes somewhere that likes to throw a ton (Arizona), but he's definitely not the type of QB that will take a team to the next level.Best Case - Goes to a team with a great D and puts together a Dilfer/Brad Johnson season.Worst Case - Kyle Orton pre-2009.

Jockstrap,This post makes little sense...You post the 2009 numbers as a total, but break out the 2010 numbers...If you look at the 2010 numbers as a whole, you are looking at (roughly) the following:293/498 - 59% completion %7.3 YPA (better than 2009)20 TDs passing (one less than 2009)9 INTs (3 less than 2009)Seems like 2009 and 2010 were pretty even, and if you look at the 2:1 TD INT ratio, I am guessing that would put him in the QB 15-20 ratio (at worst)...I am guessing he will have no issues finding a suitor.

 

[thriftyrocker]

Whisenhunt is dumb if he signs Bulger (as has been rumored a couple times) if the real price on Orton is 3rd+5th.

Given SF is young save Gore, they'd be better off with a rookie and play for 2012 IMO.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Trading for Orton = good idea.

Trading for Orton without a reasonable contingency plan = horrible, horrible idea.

 

[humpback]

Whisenhunt is dumb if he signs Bulger (as has been rumored a couple times) if the real price on Orton is 3rd+5th. Given SF is young save Gore, they'd be better off with a rookie and play for 2012 IMO.

It's not like Orton is old- he'll be in his prime in 2012. As bad as they looked at times this year, SF can certainly win that division next year, and Orton would give them a better chance than a rookie would.I think he's a good fit in all 3 spots, especially if you can get him for less than a #2.

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

Jockstrap,This post makes little sense...You post the 2009 numbers as a total, but break out the 2010 numbers...If you look at the 2010 numbers as a whole, you are looking at (roughly) the following:293/498 - 59% completion %7.3 YPA (better than 2009)20 TDs passing (one less than 2009)9 INTs (3 less than 2009)Seems like 2009 and 2010 were pretty even, and if you look at the 2:1 TD INT ratio, I am guessing that would put him in the QB 15-20 ratio (at worst)...I am guessing he will have no issues finding a suitor.

Yeah; I really didn't do a good job of trying to make my point.Before going to Denver (05-08), Orton was a below average to awful QB.His first year in Denver, he put up middle of the pack numbers and looked to have matured.This season, his numbers where again middle of the pack at the end of the year, but it was really a huge split of an incredible first five games paired with a poor final eight (every meaningful stat but TD/INT ratio).In 6 years (granted, not all as a starter), he's basically had a season and a quarter of average or above NFL-caliber QB play.Is he better than what Arizona or San Fran has; maybe, even probably. Is he that much better that it will translate to more wins; I wouldn't think so. Is he worth a second rounder; I would say hell no.

 

[humpback]

Orton is miles better than what SF and Arizona has at QB. If McNabb and Cassel can fetch an early 2nd rounder (plus), Orton could be worth a #2. I'd easily give a 3rd plus for him if I were one of those teams.

 

[Don Quixote]

Is this right that his contract is for $9 million next year? http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp...tory?id=5478172

Not sure I'd give up a 2nd-rounder knowing that I'd need to pay him that much (but may depend on new CBA and salary cap).

 

[SWC]

if people called me the old ball coach then the old ball coach would say that orton guy can really throw the rock around like all those other guys from purdue where qb legends are made and i would recommend him for a 2 round pick and thats the stone cold truth

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

The NFL is going to probably go to 18 games, which means more chance of injury. Teams now more than ever need 2 decent QB's who can run the offense. Signing Orton to be a quality backup to Tebow would have been a smart move. However, looking at how many good players Denver has gotten rid of the last couple of years "smart" and Denver really doesn't go to together.

Any team struggling at QB like a Minnesota or Arizona would be wise to sign him.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Minnesota should deal the 2 for him, franchise Rice then deal that 1 back to recoup the picks. It will be a very talented WR group and they should have a prime pick for one of them without the need making a deal somewhat easy.

 

[NoCheese]

Maybe Minnesota gives Denver a 2nd round pick & gets Denver's 3rd rounder in return? I'd love to see Orton in purple. The prospect of Joe Webb or a rookie starting makes me cringe.

 

[Unwrittenlaw]

If I were Carolina, I would give up a 2nd or 3rd rd pick for Orton. Trade down from the #1 pick and get a boatload of picks and still get a top tier WR to pair up with Steve Smith or OL help.

 

[delusional]

How committed is Washington to Grossman? I can see Snyder not balking at a 2nd rounder, and Shanny gets to deal with the Broncos.

I think as long as Kyle is the OC, Grossman is the guy

 

[We Tigers]

Orton's mediocre at best. Good FF QB, average NFL QB with violent bouts of lousiness. I'd trade a 4th for him if I ran one of the league's many rudderless teams and I needed somebody for a year or two while I tried to draft and develop a franchise guy. Fortunately for the Broncos, that's a third of the league right now, so they might get a 3rd.

 

[flapgreen]

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Problem for the Broncos is that no one's going to give up an early 2nd and the teams in the late 2nd are mostly solid at QB. I'd think Arizona would offer up the 3.05 in a heartbeat. San Fran at 3.07 or Washington at 3.10 might make sense too. I'm assuming the Panthers are all over Luck or they might be a good choice too.

 

[Sam Quentin]

Somebody will bite. Orton can play.

I think Orton has had an absolutely fascinating last two years.In 09, he had a good season:336/54162.1 Completion %7.0 YPA21 TDs12 INTsThe last couple of seasons, those stats would put him as a middle of the pack (12-20) NFL starter.In 2010, he flew out of the gates. In his first five games, he put up the following numbers:141/21366.2 Completion %8.1 YPA8 TDs3 INTsThose are Brady/Manning/Brees numbers. But then something happened, in the last 8 games of 2010, he put up:152/28553.3 Completion %6.7 YPA12 TDs6 INTsThose numbers are poor and most QBs won't keep a job long with them. What's more, is those numbers are much closer to everything Orton has done in his career before going to Denver.It's just my opinion, but I think that Orton is most likely a bottom 5-10 starting NFL QB with a mediocre upside. He may put up some nice fantasy games if he goes somewhere that likes to throw a ton (Arizona), but he's definitely not the type of QB that will take a team to the next level.Best Case - Goes to a team with a great D and puts together a Dilfer/Brad Johnson season.Worst Case - Kyle Orton pre-2009.

makes me wonder if he was hiding an injury..

 

[LHUCKS]

As a Cardinal fan I'd be wiling to give up a 3rd for Orton, but not a 2nd.

If the Cards can get McNabb, I obviously wouldn't give anything.

 

[thatguy]

Maybe Minnesota gives Denver a 2nd round pick & gets Denver's 3rd rounder in return? I'd love to see Orton in purple. The prospect of Joe Webb or a rookie starting makes me cringe.

Not a chance of that happening. Maybe Denver's 5th, no way they would get Denver's 3rd. More likely, if Denver can't get a second, they'll get a third and a fifth, or something in that ballpark.

 

[_lurker_]

If there was any chance of this, then the simple solution would be CAR's 1.01 for DEN's 1.02 and Orton.

If I were Carolina, I would give up a 2nd or 3rd rd pick for Orton. Trade down from the #1 pick and get a boatload of picks and still get a top tier WR to pair up with Steve Smith or OL help.

 

[LTsharks]

Somebody will bite. Orton can play.

I think Orton has had an absolutely fascinating last two years.In 09, he had a good season:336/54162.1 Completion %7.0 YPA21 TDs12 INTsThe last couple of seasons, those stats would put him as a middle of the pack (12-20) NFL starter.In 2010, he flew out of the gates. In his first five games, he put up the following numbers:141/21366.2 Completion %8.1 YPA8 TDs3 INTsThose are Brady/Manning/Brees numbers. But then something happened, in the last 8 games of 2010, he put up:152/28553.3 Completion %6.7 YPA12 TDs6 INTsThose numbers are poor and most QBs won't keep a job long with them. What's more, is those numbers are much closer to everything Orton has done in his career before going to Denver.It's just my opinion, but I think that Orton is most likely a bottom 5-10 starting NFL QB with a mediocre upside. He may put up some nice fantasy games if he goes somewhere that likes to throw a ton (Arizona), but he's definitely not the type of QB that will take a team to the next level.Best Case - Goes to a team with a great D and puts together a Dilfer/Brad Johnson season.Worst Case - Kyle Orton pre-2009.

makes me wonder if he was hiding an injury..

Why not break it down like this:First 11 games:265/42961.8%7.85 YPA20 TDs6 INTsLast 2 games:28/694.1 YPA0 TDs3 INTs

 

[stbugs]

If there was any chance of this, then the simple solution would be CAR's 1.01 for DEN's 1.02 and Orton.

If I were Carolina, I would give up a 2nd or 3rd rd pick for Orton. Trade down from the #1 pick and get a boatload of picks and still get a top tier WR to pair up with Steve Smith or OL help.

If Luck declares and he is rated as high as I think he will be, Carolina would be dumb to trade away the pick for Orton plus the 1.02. Guys like Orton are a lot easier to find and get than potential franchise QBs.How does Orton in Carolina help them get back to the playoffs? I would rather take a shot that Luck can be a stud than guarantee being bad to mediocre for years.

 

[Eminence]

Does this remind anyone of the Brees / Rivers situation a few years back? I can see both Tebow and Orton being relevant wherever they go.

 

[cvnpoka]

seems that a lot of teams would be well served to ship a 2nd rounder for orton.

 

[Joe Summer]

Does this remind anyone of the Brees / Rivers situation a few years back? I can see both Tebow and Orton being relevant wherever they go.

There are some similarities. Denver gave up on Orton when he started to regress; San Diego drafted Rivers when Brees started to regress. But Brees wasn't traded right away -- he ended up beating out Rivers and elevating his game to Pro Bowl levels. I am not sure if Orton has what it takes to step up his game to the Pro Bowl level. He's had 3 straight seasons with similar stats and it seems to me that he has reached a plateau.

 

[Richard_the_Vampire]

Whisenhunt is dumb if he signs Bulger (as has been rumored a couple times) if the real price on Orton is 3rd+5th. Given SF is young save Gore, they'd be better off with a rookie and play for 2012 IMO.

It's not like Orton is old- he'll be in his prime in 2012. As bad as they looked at times this year, SF can certainly win that division next year, and Orton would give them a better chance than a rookie would.I think he's a good fit in all 3 spots, especially if you can get him for less than a #2.

I think the best fit would be in Miami. Orton is a good quarterback, but I don't think he can carry a team. Miami has all the pieces except for a QB--defense, running game, o-line. Plus, Orton has familiarity with Brandon Marshall from their time in Denver.San Francisco might be a decent fit because of their defense and running game. Arizona, however, is too far away from competing, and I don't think Orton would get them over the hump.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

seems that a lot of teams would be well served to ship a 2nd rounder for orton.

I think the team that would be best served by that move would be Denver. Orton's good, but he's not a championship-caliber quarterback. I think they'll take a third.

 

[The_Wolfman]

Doubt DEN gets a second for him, but ARZ would be a great landing spot for him.

 

[NeverEnough]

I'd welcome him to the Dolphins.

 

[need2know]

Denver is making a bad move getting rid of Orton for Tebow. then again, most wouldn't have touched Tebow. so the bad moves continue for one of the worst managed teams in the NFL

 

[NoCheese]

Denver is making a bad move getting rid of Orton for Tebow. then again, most wouldn't have touched Tebow. so the bad moves continue for one of the worst managed teams in the NFL

Let me get this straight. Your first round pick looks really good and is emerging. The steady, but unspectacular, veteran at the same position can fetch a 2nd round pick and this is a terrible management decision?

 

[TheDirtyWord]

Somebody will bite. Orton can play.

I think Orton has had an absolutely fascinating last two years.In 09, he had a good season:336/54162.1 Completion %7.0 YPA21 TDs12 INTsThe last couple of seasons, those stats would put him as a middle of the pack (12-20) NFL starter.In 2010, he flew out of the gates. In his first five games, he put up the following numbers:141/21366.2 Completion %8.1 YPA8 TDs3 INTsThose are Brady/Manning/Brees numbers. But then something happened, in the last 8 games of 2010, he put up:152/28553.3 Completion %6.7 YPA12 TDs6 INTsThose numbers are poor and most QBs won't keep a job long with them. What's more, is those numbers are much closer to everything Orton has done in his career before going to Denver.It's just my opinion, but I think that Orton is most likely a bottom 5-10 starting NFL QB with a mediocre upside. He may put up some nice fantasy games if he goes somewhere that likes to throw a ton (Arizona), but he's definitely not the type of QB that will take a team to the next level.Best Case - Goes to a team with a great D and puts together a Dilfer/Brad Johnson season.Worst Case - Kyle Orton pre-2009.

makes me wonder if he was hiding an injury..

Why not break it down like this:First 11 games:265/42961.8%7.85 YPA20 TDs6 INTsLast 2 games:28/694.1 YPA0 TDs3 INTs

Granted DEN had to throw alot, but through 11 games Orton averaged 306 YPG with a 3/1 TD:INT ratio. Let's also realize that he had absolutely no running game whatsoever to support him which meant teams started to tee off on him and he started to get beat up real good. He took a shot against SF which I thought was going to knock him out for weeks. He came back in on the next series.I'm still stunned by how little credit Orton gets. He's legit and available and a 2nd is worth IMO.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Denver is making a bad move getting rid of Orton for Tebow. then again, most wouldn't have touched Tebow. so the bad moves continue for one of the worst managed teams in the NFL

Well, you need to look at it in the context of the overall goal. Denver is a bad...I mean BAD football team everywhere else. It's not like you have the Steelers or Eagles supporting cast and you're going from the capable Orton to an unknown commdity. That team needs rebuilt from the inside out.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Doubt DEN gets a second for him, but ARZ would be a great landing spot for him.

If he's good enough to make Lloyd the NFL's leading WR he's good enough to put Fitz and Breaston back where they belong in fantasy.

 

[Don Quixote]

Let me get this straight. Your first round pick looks really good and is emerging. The steady, but unspectacular, veteran at the same position can fetch a 2nd round pick and this is a terrible management decision?

I don't think it's been established that Denver "can fetch a 2nd round pick" for him yet. Denver wants a 2nd round pick for him. I also want my wife to lose 30 pounds.

 

[Tau837]

Somebody will bite. Orton can play.

I think Orton has had an absolutely fascinating last two years.In 09, he had a good season:336/54162.1 Completion %7.0 YPA21 TDs12 INTsThe last couple of seasons, those stats would put him as a middle of the pack (12-20) NFL starter.In 2010, he flew out of the gates. In his first five games, he put up the following numbers:141/21366.2 Completion %8.1 YPA8 TDs3 INTsThose are Brady/Manning/Brees numbers. But then something happened, in the last 8 games of 2010, he put up:152/28553.3 Completion %6.7 YPA12 TDs6 INTsThose numbers are poor and most QBs won't keep a job long with them. What's more, is those numbers are much closer to everything Orton has done in his career before going to Denver.It's just my opinion, but I think that Orton is most likely a bottom 5-10 starting NFL QB with a mediocre upside. He may put up some nice fantasy games if he goes somewhere that likes to throw a ton (Arizona), but he's definitely not the type of QB that will take a team to the next level.Best Case - Goes to a team with a great D and puts together a Dilfer/Brad Johnson season.Worst Case - Kyle Orton pre-2009.

makes me wonder if he was hiding an injury..

Why not break it down like this:First 11 games:265/42961.8%7.85 YPA20 TDs6 INTsLast 2 games:28/694.1 YPA0 TDs3 INTs

Granted DEN had to throw alot, but through 11 games Orton averaged 306 YPG with a 3/1 TD:INT ratio. Let's also realize that he had absolutely no running game whatsoever to support him which meant teams started to tee off on him and he started to get beat up real good. He took a shot against SF which I thought was going to knock him out for weeks. He came back in on the next series.I'm still stunned by how little credit Orton gets. He's legit and available and a 2nd is worth IMO.

 

[humpback]

Whisenhunt is dumb if he signs Bulger (as has been rumored a couple times) if the real price on Orton is 3rd+5th. Given SF is young save Gore, they'd be better off with a rookie and play for 2012 IMO.

It's not like Orton is old- he'll be in his prime in 2012. As bad as they looked at times this year, SF can certainly win that division next year, and Orton would give them a better chance than a rookie would.I think he's a good fit in all 3 spots, especially if you can get him for less than a #2.

I think the best fit would be in Miami. Orton is a good quarterback, but I don't think he can carry a team. Miami has all the pieces except for a QB--defense, running game, o-line. Plus, Orton has familiarity with Brandon Marshall from their time in Denver.San Francisco might be a decent fit because of their defense and running game. Arizona, however, is too far away from competing, and I don't think Orton would get them over the hump.

I think they are all good fits. Miami is probably better than the other two overall, but they also play in a much tougher division. I think Arizona can compete with Orton- the division is terrible, they only finished 2 games out with nothing at QB this year. They won the division two years ago- I know that was with Warner, but he wasn't all that great that year. Same with SF- they were in the division race with terrible coaching and QB play. Orton (along with a new coach) instantly makes them a lot better.