RB Tyler Badie, DEN (1 Viewer)

[Lansdowne]

My take on the Broncos RB situation:

Badie didn't play much until the 4th quarter because they didn't need pass blocking at that point, everyone knew they were running the ball to shorten the game up 16. To his credit, Badie was efficient despite the obvious run-heavy situation. If the game script had been different and the Broncos were trailing in the 4th and needing to pass it more, is Badie in there to block for Nix? My guess is no.

Badie presents a nice speculative add in deep leagues (I remember having him on my watch list the last two seasons), but he could just as easily find himself sent back on fantasy waivers after a date with the Jets defense this week. Assuming he's activated for the game at all. The Broncos still have Watson as an option for the 3rd RB role if they want to stall calling up Badie permanently. At least I think that's in play.

Right now Williams is the starter and McLaughlin the change of pace and backup, but I think both those guys are on notice. I see Estime as being the direct backup to Williams and Badie the direct backup to McLaughlin. But a lot can change in the coming weeks. Perhaps Badie continues producing and is serviceable in pass pro (does anyone know how he looks in that regard?). Perhaps Badie takes the ball and literally runs with it and becomes the out-of-nowhere RB1. But I still think it's a long shot. For what it's worth, Williams, McLaughlin, and Estime are all owned in my dynasty league but not Badie.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

They sent him back to the practice squad so their not apparently worried about another team snagging him.

It was a formality. He was called up from the practice squad to replace an injured player and be active the last two Sundays. When this happens, the player automatically reverts to the practice squad following the game.

We'll find out the real deal this weekend. If he gets called up again (and after his production, Payton's comments about special packages, the joker role and increased opportunity, fans would absolutely lose their **** Badie isn't called up again Sunday), the Broncos will be required to sign Badie to the 53 if he's called up a 3rd time.

If/when this happens, you'll start to see a lot of pieces on the board being shifted around in the Denver RB room. I believe Watson will be cut and hopefully added to the practice squad until Estime gets back. But, with him not due back for at least another 3 weeks, Williams is the only big body on the team and they'll probably keep him around for a little while longer. Once Estime gets back, if Williams hasn't shown out, he's gone IMHO.

Estime hasn't looked great since coming to Denver, but I believe he'll better than Williams. He needs to get used to the speed of the NFL and hit holes a little harder but ironically, the run he got hurt on was possibly his best as a Bronco. He hit the hole like a bat out of hell, but decided to try to hurdle a defender instead of running him over. Not only did he fumble, he got hurt.

Badie Badie Badie

So what do you think happens when Estime is back? Is it even possible that Badie could earn the starting role? It doesn't feel like it.

Who starts is kind of irrelevant, probably dictated by opponent and game script. Realistically, the best case scenario here for Badie is an even share with Estime that can swing back and forth based on the hot hand, possibly with a little bit of McGlaughlin mixed in. Problem with McGlaughlin is that the offense becomes extremely predictable when he takes the field because of his weaknesses.

Broncos need a banger. I think Estime can be that. Maybe this looks like Ingram/Thomas/Sprokes, maybe it's closer to Ingram/Kamara? I don't think there's any way Estime/Badie ever reach the production of Ingram/Kamara, but I do think the usage patterns might end up similar and they could end up a poor man's version of that duo. Broncos have a rookie QB, but also an offensive line that is better at run blocking than pass blocking. There will be bumps in the road, but someone will have value here.

At this point you'd have a hard time convincing me Williams isn't done in Denver. If Badie can show out in the next 3 weeks, I believe he not only seals the fate of Williams, but also his own. These two guys are on completely different trajectories.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

My take on the Broncos RB situation:

Badie didn't play much until the 4th quarter because they didn't need pass blocking at that point, everyone knew they were running the ball to shorten the game up 16. To his credit, Badie was efficient despite the obvious run-heavy situation. If the game script had been different and the Broncos were trailing in the 4th and needing to pass it more, is Badie in there to block for Nix? My guess is no.

Badie presents a nice speculative add in deep leagues (I remember having him on my watch list the last two seasons), but he could just as easily find himself sent back on fantasy waivers after a date with the Jets defense this week. Assuming he's activated for the game at all. The Broncos still have Watson as an option for the 3rd RB role if they want to stall calling up Badie permanently. At least I think that's in play.

Right now Williams is the starter and McLaughlin the change of pace and backup, but I think both those guys are on notice. I see Estime as being the direct backup to Williams and Badie the direct backup to McLaughlin. But a lot can change in the coming weeks. Perhaps Badie continues producing and is serviceable in pass pro (does anyone know how he looks in that regard?). Perhaps Badie takes the ball and literally runs with it and becomes the out-of-nowhere RB1. But I still think it's a long shot. For what it's worth, Williams, McLaughlin, and Estime are all owned in my dynasty league but not Badie.

I haven't seen Badie pass block but I would bet anything he's better at it than Jaleel. Problem with Jaleel coming into the game is the offense becomes extremely predictable. If Badie can pass block, which is admittedly a big if, he will add a dimension to this offense no other RB can. Javonte is one dimensional. Jaleel is one dimensional. Estime is one dimensional. Badie is a wild card.

 

[Chaka]

My take on the Broncos RB situation:

Badie didn't play much until the 4th quarter because they didn't need pass blocking at that point, everyone knew they were running the ball to shorten the game up 16. To his credit, Badie was efficient despite the obvious run-heavy situation. If the game script had been different and the Broncos were trailing in the 4th and needing to pass it more, is Badie in there to block for Nix? My guess is no.

Badie presents a nice speculative add in deep leagues (I remember having him on my watch list the last two seasons), but he could just as easily find himself sent back on fantasy waivers after a date with the Jets defense this week. Assuming he's activated for the game at all. The Broncos still have Watson as an option for the 3rd RB role if they want to stall calling up Badie permanently. At least I think that's in play.

Right now Williams is the starter and McLaughlin the change of pace and backup, but I think both those guys are on notice. I see Estime as being the direct backup to Williams and Badie the direct backup to McLaughlin. But a lot can change in the coming weeks. Perhaps Badie continues producing and is serviceable in pass pro (does anyone know how he looks in that regard?). Perhaps Badie takes the ball and literally runs with it and becomes the out-of-nowhere RB1. But I still think it's a long shot. For what it's worth, Williams, McLaughlin, and Estime are all owned in my dynasty league but not Badie.

I haven't seen Badie pass block but I would bet anything he's better at it than Jaleel. Problem with Jaleel coming into the game is the offense becomes extremely predictable. If Badie can pass block, which is admittedly a big if, he will add a dimension to this offense no other RB can. Javonte is one dimensional. Jaleel is one dimensional. Estime is one dimensional. Badie is a wild card.

Wildcard #######!!!

Love me some wildcard.

 

[JohnnyU]

My take on the Broncos RB situation:

Badie didn't play much until the 4th quarter because they didn't need pass blocking at that point, everyone knew they were running the ball to shorten the game up 16. To his credit, Badie was efficient despite the obvious run-heavy situation. If the game script had been different and the Broncos were trailing in the 4th and needing to pass it more, is Badie in there to block for Nix? My guess is no.

Badie presents a nice speculative add in deep leagues (I remember having him on my watch list the last two seasons), but he could just as easily find himself sent back on fantasy waivers after a date with the Jets defense this week. Assuming he's activated for the game at all. The Broncos still have Watson as an option for the 3rd RB role if they want to stall calling up Badie permanently. At least I think that's in play.

Right now Williams is the starter and McLaughlin the change of pace and backup, but I think both those guys are on notice. I see Estime as being the direct backup to Williams and Badie the direct backup to McLaughlin. But a lot can change in the coming weeks. Perhaps Badie continues producing and is serviceable in pass pro (does anyone know how he looks in that regard?). Perhaps Badie takes the ball and literally runs with it and becomes the out-of-nowhere RB1. But I still think it's a long shot. For what it's worth, Williams, McLaughlin, and Estime are all owned in my dynasty league but not Badie.

I haven't seen Badie pass block but I would bet anything he's better at it than Jaleel. Problem with Jaleel coming into the game is the offense becomes extremely predictable. If Badie can pass block, which is admittedly a big if, he will add a dimension to this offense no other RB can. Javonte is one dimensional. Jaleel is one dimensional. Estime is one dimensional. Badie is a wild card.

Wildcard #######!!!

Love me some wildcard.

That is so 2008

 

[ATB]

They sent him back to the practice squad so their not apparently worried about another team snagging him.

It was a formality. He was called up from the practice squad to replace an injured player and be active the last two Sundays. When this happens, the player automatically reverts to the practice squad following the game.

We'll find out the real deal this weekend. If he gets called up again (and after his production, Payton's comments about special packages, the joker role and increased opportunity, fans would absolutely lose their **** Badie isn't called up again Sunday), the Broncos will be required to sign Badie to the 53 if he's called up a 3rd time.

If/when this happens, you'll start to see a lot of pieces on the board being shifted around in the Denver RB room. I believe Watson will be cut and hopefully added to the practice squad until Estime gets back. But, with him not due back for at least another 3 weeks, Williams is the only big body on the team and they'll probably keep him around for a little while longer. Once Estime gets back, if Williams hasn't shown out, he's gone IMHO.

Estime hasn't looked great since coming to Denver, but I believe he'll better than Williams. He needs to get used to the speed of the NFL and hit holes a little harder but ironically, the run he got hurt on was possibly his best as a Bronco. He hit the hole like a bat out of hell, but decided to try to hurdle a defender instead of running him over. Not only did he fumble, he got hurt.

Badie Badie Badie

So what do you think happens when Estime is back? Is it even possible that Badie could earn the starting role? It doesn't feel like it.

Who starts is kind of irrelevant, probably dictated by opponent and game script. Realistically, the best case scenario here for Badie is an even share with Estime that can swing back and forth based on the hot hand, possibly with a little bit of McGlaughlin mixed in. Problem with McGlaughlin is that the offense becomes extremely predictable when he takes the field because of his weaknesses.

Broncos need a banger. I think Estime can be that. Maybe this looks like Ingram/Thomas/Sprokes, maybe it's closer to Ingram/Kamara? I don't think there's any way Estime/Badie ever reach the production of Ingram/Kamara, but I do think the usage patterns might end up similar and they could end up a poor man's version of that duo. Broncos have a rookie QB, but also an offensive line that is better at run blocking than pass blocking. There will be bumps in the road, but someone will have value here.

At this point you'd have a hard time convincing me Williams isn't done in Denver. If Badie can show out in the next 3 weeks, I believe he not only seals the fate of Williams, but also his own. These two guys are on completely different trajectories.

So who is the Ingram and who is the Kamara in this scenario? Because I think it's obvious that Estime compares easily to Ingram in terms of bruiser/hard-runner potential, but does Badie compare to Kamara in terms of excelling at pass-catching and route-running?

 

[JohnnyU]

Tyler Badie signed to Broncos' 53-man roster​

by Jesse Garcia | Broncos Correspondent | Wed, Sep 25th 2:34pm EDT

The Broncos have signed RB Tyler Badie to their 53-man roster. (Zac Stevens on Twitter)

 

[hamsterdam]

Tyler Badie signed to Broncos' 53-man roster​

by Jesse Garcia | Broncos Correspondent | Wed, Sep 25th 2:34pm EDT

The Broncos have signed RB Tyler Badie to their 53-man roster. (Zac Stevens on Twitter)

I see some smoke here. I’m thinking of dropping Javonte straight up for Badie. Even if it doesn’t work out at least I’ll be free from the shackles of Williams.

 

[JohnnyU]

Tyler Badie signed to Broncos' 53-man roster​

by Jesse Garcia | Broncos Correspondent | Wed, Sep 25th 2:34pm EDT

The Broncos have signed RB Tyler Badie to their 53-man roster. (Zac Stevens on Twitter)

I see some smoke here. I’m thinking of dropping Javonte straight up for Badie. Even if it doesn’t work out at least I’ll be free from the shackles of Williams.

Freedom is refreshing.

 

[Stoneworker]

Tyler Badie signed to Broncos' 53-man roster​

by Jesse Garcia | Broncos Correspondent | Wed, Sep 25th 2:34pm EDT

The Broncos have signed RB Tyler Badie to their 53-man roster. (Zac Stevens on Twitter)

Evidently starting ILB Alex Singleton tore his ACL so opened up a spot

 

[bro1ncos]

Or they could have been forced to call him up after another team offered to sign him to their active roster.

 

[JohnnyU]

Or they could have been forced to call him up after another team offered to sign him to their active roster.

I would have thought if that were true it would have been too late.

 

[Jppaul]

Evidently starting ILB Alex Singleton tore his ACL so opened up

oops, there goes the DEF

 

[Jppaul]

Or they could have been forced to call him up after another team offered to sign him to their active roster.

I would have thought if that were true it would have been too late.

how too late?

 

[Jppaul]

Or they could have been forced to call him up after another team offered to sign him to their active roster.

i really think all this was administrative and he was going active the ROS anyways

 

[JohnnyU]

Or they could have been forced to call him up after another team offered to sign him to their active roster.

I would have thought if that were true it would have been too late.

how too late?

Typically when a team signs a player off another practice squad there isn’t a warning to the team losing the player. I could be wrong, but I don’t think I am. Otherwise teams would do this all the time. As soon as another moves in to steal a player off another team’s practice squad they would promote them if possible. Teams sign players off other practice squads all the time.

EDIT: I've since been educated on how this works from @Jppaul , who said "When a team wants another practice squad player, all they do is make an offer. The player is allowed to let the home team active him, sign with new team or even stay on practice squad. It's also considered "bad form" for a practice squad player to not give the home team a chance to match the offer."

 

[Jppaul]

Typically when a team signs a player off another practice squad there isn’t a warning to the team losing the player. I could be wrong, but I don’t think I am. Otherwise teams would do this all the time. As soon as another moves in to steal a player off another team’s practice squad they would promote them if possible.

When a team wants another practice squad player, all they do is make an offer. The player is allowed to let the home team active him, sign with new team or even stay on practice squad. It's also considered "bad form" for a practice squad player to not give the home team a chance to match the offer.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Ye

They sent him back to the practice squad so their not apparently worried about another team snagging him.

It was a formality. He was called up from the practice squad to replace an injured player and be active the last two Sundays. When this happens, the player automatically reverts to the practice squad following the game.

We'll find out the real deal this weekend. If he gets called up again (and after his production, Payton's comments about special packages, the joker role and increased opportunity, fans would absolutely lose their **** Badie isn't called up again Sunday), the Broncos will be required to sign Badie to the 53 if he's called up a 3rd time.

If/when this happens, you'll start to see a lot of pieces on the board being shifted around in the Denver RB room. I believe Watson will be cut and hopefully added to the practice squad until Estime gets back. But, with him not due back for at least another 3 weeks, Williams is the only big body on the team and they'll probably keep him around for a little while longer. Once Estime gets back, if Williams hasn't shown out, he's gone IMHO.

Estime hasn't looked great since coming to Denver, but I believe he'll better than Williams. He needs to get used to the speed of the NFL and hit holes a little harder but ironically, the run he got hurt on was possibly his best as a Bronco. He hit the hole like a bat out of hell, but decided to try to hurdle a defender instead of running him over. Not only did he fumble, he got hurt.

Badie Badie Badie

So what do you think happens when Estime is back? Is it even possible that Badie could earn the starting role? It doesn't feel like it.

Who starts is kind of irrelevant, probably dictated by opponent and game script. Realistically, the best case scenario here for Badie is an even share with Estime that can swing back and forth based on the hot hand, possibly with a little bit of McGlaughlin mixed in. Problem with McGlaughlin is that the offense becomes extremely predictable when he takes the field because of his weaknesses.

Broncos need a banger. I think Estime can be that. Maybe this looks like Ingram/Thomas/Sprokes, maybe it's closer to Ingram/Kamara? I don't think there's any way Estime/Badie ever reach the production of Ingram/Kamara, but I do think the usage patterns might end up similar and they could end up a poor man's version of that duo. Broncos have a rookie QB, but also an offensive line that is better at run blocking than pass blocking. There will be bumps in the road, but someone will have value here.

At this point you'd have a hard time convincing me Williams isn't done in Denver. If Badie can show out in the next 3 weeks, I believe he not only seals the fate of Williams, but also his own. These two guys are on completely different trajectories.

So who is the Ingram and who is the Kamara in this scenario? Because I think it's obvious that Estime compares easily to Ingram in terms of bruiser/hard-runner potential, but does Badie compare to Kamara in terms of excelling at pass-catching and route-running?

Yes on the receiving and route running, but Kamara is 1 of 1. He’s a scat back in a bruiser’s body. That’s why I only mentioned the comparison from a usage standpoint. Badie can do all the things Kamara can, but he weights 30 pounds less. They will never approach the production of Kamara/Engram. Not convinced Badie has half the football IQ either, not yet. Kamara is 1 of 1 in that regard as well.

 

[JohnnyU]

Typically when a team signs a player off another practice squad there isn’t a warning to the team losing the player. I could be wrong, but I don’t think I am. Otherwise teams would do this all the time. As soon as another moves in to steal a player off another team’s practice squad they would promote them if possible.

When a team wants another practice squad player, all they do is make an offer. The player is allowed to let the home team active him, sign with new team or even stay on practice squad. It's also considered "bad form" for a practice squad player to not give the home team a chance to match the offer.

Like I said, I could be wrong and probably am. Thanks for setting me straight.

 

[Jppaul]

Not convinced Badie has half the football IQ either

could be why he didnt' get the chance until now. Being on the practice squad last year for Denver probably helped

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Not convinced Badie has half the football IQ either

could be why he didnt' get the chance until now. Being on the practice squad last year for Denver probably helped

For sure it helped. Just to be clear though, my comment wasn't so much a slight directed towards Badie's football IQ as it was praise for Kamara's. Kamara is one of the most intelligent players in the league, there aren't many RBs around with the football IQ he has.

I don't think there's too much to read into Badie's lack of opportunity other than the depth of the RB position in the NFL and the teams he was on. Baltimore drafted him in 2022 in the 6th round. They started the season with JK Dobbins, Mike Davis, Justice Hill and Patrick Ricard on the 53. Gus Edwards started the season on the PUP, but came back and was productive. The team also signed Kenyan Drake before the season and he would end up rushing for the most yards of any RB behind Dobbins who went down for the season in the 8th game. For a team that likes to carry 3 RBs and a FB, there just wasn't any room or opportunity for Badie on the 53, and Denver would up poaching him in December 2022.

Last year, Denver had what many believed to be a solid RB room also carrying 3 RBs and a FB. Williams, Perine, McGlaughlin and Burton. McGlaughlin looked explosive and probably filled any role Badie may have had. Simply put, the guy most similar to his skillset was producing at a high level ahead of him.

This year, things have changed. With the injury to Estime, the ineffectiveness of both Williams and McGlaughlin, and the inexperience of Watson it allowed the Broncos to get a "free" look at what Badie could do without having to cut anyone. They're obviously impressed, and they even created a set of plays for him. If he continues to produce, I don't see any way his role doesn't continue to grow. You can't keep someone that's producing off the field, especially when your running game was almost non-existent in weeks 1 and 2.

 

[ohio#1eaglesfan]

Tyler Badie signed to Broncos' 53-man roster​

by Jesse Garcia | Broncos Correspondent | Wed, Sep 25th 2:34pm EDT

The Broncos have signed RB Tyler Badie to their 53-man roster. (Zac Stevens on Twitter)

I see some smoke here. I’m thinking of dropping Javonte straight up for Badie. Even if it doesn’t work out at least I’ll be free from the shackles of Williams.

Dropped him last week. Got Irving and Braelon Allen. Thinking of a way to add this cat or Wilson from GB

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Singleton tore his ACL which bought the Broncos some time. The real decision making comes when Estime comes off the IR. There is no way they can carry 5 RBs plus 1 FB. IMO it will come down to them trying to sneak Watson onto the practice squad or cutting Williams outright. I don' think they're ready to give up on McGlaughin yet, and he's a Payton guy. Badie just got promoted, won't be him. Estime is another Payton guy with current year draft capital working in his favor and the team will carry a FB. Williams' cap hit would be much larger than that of Watson, but this is the team that was willing to eat Wilson's massive contract and take the corresponding cap hit so... Unless Williams really shows out in the Sundays before Estime gets healthy, he's gone IMO. This would be a giant surprise for some, but not all.

 

[Chaka]

Trade one of them to the Cowboys.

 

[Stoneworker]

Singleton tore his ACL which bought the Broncos some time. The real decision making comes when Estime comes off the IR. There is no way they can carry 5 RBs plus 1 FB. IMO it will come down to them trying to sneak Watson onto the practice squad or cutting Williams outright. I don' think they're ready to give up on McGlaughin yet, and he's a Payton guy. Badie just got promoted, won't be him. Estime is another Payton guy with current year draft capital working in his favor and the team will carry a FB. Williams' cap hit would be much larger than that of Watson, but this is the team that was willing to eat Wilson's massive contract and take the corresponding cap hit so... Unless Williams really shows out in the Sundays before Estime gets healthy, he's gone IMO. This would be a giant surprise for some, but not all.

Hmmm. McLaughlin wouldn't get cut because...he's a "Payton guy?"

There are three main ways an RB can contribute: 1) running, 2) receiving and 3) pass protection.

As runners, at the moment Javonte and Jaleel are equally putrid (2.2 ypc).

As receivers, Jaleel is currently averaging 1.3 y/recpt, while Javonte's 7.7 y/recpt is in the top echelon (> J. Gibbs, K. Williams, T. Etienne, T. Pollard, B. Hall, etc.)

In pass protection, Williams has faced the 4th most snaps in pass-pro among RB's, and has yet to give up a sack on Nix. McLaughlin is woefully undersized and has never been relied upon as a blocker.

No one has any idea how this will play out (in fact it is equally likely that Badie will prove a one-hit wonder as he will continue to build on his breakout game).

However, if there is no change in performance and things do come down to Williams vs. McLaughlin, IMO Payton will choose merit as the basis for his decision. Which at the moment is substantially in favor of Williams.

 

[JohnnyU]

Singleton tore his ACL which bought the Broncos some time. The real decision making comes when Estime comes off the IR. There is no way they can carry 5 RBs plus 1 FB. IMO it will come down to them trying to sneak Watson onto the practice squad or cutting Williams outright. I don' think they're ready to give up on McGlaughin yet, and he's a Payton guy. Badie just got promoted, won't be him. Estime is another Payton guy with current year draft capital working in his favor and the team will carry a FB. Williams' cap hit would be much larger than that of Watson, but this is the team that was willing to eat Wilson's massive contract and take the corresponding cap hit so... Unless Williams really shows out in the Sundays before Estime gets healthy, he's gone IMO. This would be a giant surprise for some, but not all.

Hmmm. McLaughlin wouldn't get cut because...he's a "Payton guy?"

There are three main ways an RB can contribute: 1) running, 2) receiving and 3) pass protection.

As runners, at the moment Javonte and Jaleel are equally putrid (2.2 ypc).

As receivers, Jaleel is currently averaging 1.3 y/recpt, while Javonte's 7.7 y/recpt is in the top echelon (> J. Gibbs, K. Williams, T. Etienne, T. Pollard, B. Hall, etc.)

In pass protection, Williams has faced the 4th most snaps in pass-pro among RB's, and has yet to give up a sack on Nix. McLaughlin is woefully undersized and has never been relied upon as a blocker.

No one has any idea how this will play out (in fact it is equally likely that Badie will prove a one-hit wonder as he will continue to build on his breakout game).

However, if there is no change in performance and things do come down to Williams vs. McLaughlin, IMO Payton will choose merit as the basis for his decision. Which at the moment is substantially in favor of Williams.

Nice post, but to me it looks like both Williams or McLaughlin are easy to replace. I wonder how Badie is at pass protection?

 

[Jppaul]

Singleton tore his ACL which bought the Broncos some time. The real decision making comes when Estime comes off the IR. There is no way they can carry 5 RBs plus 1 FB. IMO it will come down to them trying to sneak Watson onto the practice squad or cutting Williams outright. I don' think they're ready to give up on McGlaughin yet, and he's a Payton guy. Badie just got promoted, won't be him. Estime is another Payton guy with current year draft capital working in his favor and the team will carry a FB. Williams' cap hit would be much larger than that of Watson, but this is the team that was willing to eat Wilson's massive contract and take the corresponding cap hit so... Unless Williams really shows out in the Sundays before Estime gets healthy, he's gone IMO. This would be a giant surprise for some, but not all.

Hmmm. McLaughlin wouldn't get cut because...he's a "Payton guy?"

There are three main ways an RB can contribute: 1) running, 2) receiving and 3) pass protection.

As runners, at the moment Javonte and Jaleel are equally putrid (2.2 ypc).

As receivers, Jaleel is currently averaging 1.3 y/recpt, while Javonte's 7.7 y/recpt is in the top echelon (> J. Gibbs, K. Williams, T. Etienne, T. Pollard, B. Hall, etc.)

In pass protection, Williams has faced the 4th most snaps in pass-pro among RB's, and has yet to give up a sack on Nix. McLaughlin is woefully undersized and has never been relied upon as a blocker.

No one has any idea how this will play out (in fact it is equally likely that Badie will prove a one-hit wonder as he will continue to build on his breakout game).

However, if there is no change in performance and things do come down to Williams vs. McLaughlin, IMO Payton will choose merit as the basis for his decision. Which at the moment is substantially in favor of Williams.

great post.

The "most" "Payton guy" has to be Bo Nix, so if Javonte is doing that great of a job at pass-pro, he's a lock for the ROS

 

[Stoneworker]

ce and things do come down to Williams vs. McLaughlin, IMO Payton will choose merit as the basis for his decision. Which at the moment is substantially in favor of Williams.

Nice post, but to me it looks like both Williams or McLaughlin are easy to replace. I wonder how Badie is at pass protection?

Honestly, I don't think even Payton knows just yet. Even though he's been there two years, it's likely Badie has had very little reps with the 1's in practice. So we're all about to find out.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Singleton tore his ACL which bought the Broncos some time. The real decision making comes when Estime comes off the IR. There is no way they can carry 5 RBs plus 1 FB. IMO it will come down to them trying to sneak Watson onto the practice squad or cutting Williams outright. I don' think they're ready to give up on McGlaughin yet, and he's a Payton guy. Badie just got promoted, won't be him. Estime is another Payton guy with current year draft capital working in his favor and the team will carry a FB. Williams' cap hit would be much larger than that of Watson, but this is the team that was willing to eat Wilson's massive contract and take the corresponding cap hit so... Unless Williams really shows out in the Sundays before Estime gets healthy, he's gone IMO. This would be a giant surprise for some, but not all.

Hmmm. McLaughlin wouldn't get cut because...he's a "Payton guy?"

There are three main ways an RB can contribute: 1) running, 2) receiving and 3) pass protection.

As runners, at the moment Javonte and Jaleel are equally putrid (2.2 ypc).

As receivers, Jaleel is currently averaging 1.3 y/recpt, while Javonte's 7.7 y/recpt is in the top echelon (> J. Gibbs, K. Williams, T. Etienne, T. Pollard, B. Hall, etc.)

In pass protection, Williams has faced the 4th most snaps in pass-pro among RB's, and has yet to give up a sack on Nix. McLaughlin is woefully undersized and has never been relied upon as a blocker.

No one has any idea how this will play out (in fact it is equally likely that Badie will prove a one-hit wonder as he will continue to build on his breakout game).

However, if there is no change in performance and things do come down to Williams vs. McLaughlin, IMO Payton will choose merit as the basis for his decision. Which at the moment is substantially in favor of Williams.

great post.

The "most" "Payton guy" has to be Bo Nix, so if Javonte is doing that great of a job at pass-pro, he's a lock for the ROS

Nobody's a lock, if any coach has proven that it's Payton, and Williams is a holdover from the previous regime and after watching him for two years it doesn't seem like Payton likes him all that much. Denver isn't a team that seems unwilling to take a cap it, obviously. And judging from the responses, I was right that Williams getting released or traded would come as a huge surprise to most. Who knows, no one can predict the future. To me Javonte seems like the odd man out here, but Stoneworker made some good points about McLaughlin and for the same reasons Badie couldn't get a chance last season and was relegated to the practice squad (McLaughlin's performance), the same might happen to Jaleel if Badie can perform in the expanded role given to him. Maybe they view Jaleel as expendable and try to sneak him onto the practice squad? Maybe not, but because Jaleel can't pass block, Badie's pass blocking is a concern simply because of his size, and Estime's pass blocking technique was a concern in the draft, Stoneworker is right to point out an obvious hole there. Badie might prove capable in that area, who knows. It's more about recognition, technique and effort than it is about size and there isn't a lot of tape out there for Badie blocking because he was such a prolific receiver in college and no one's really seen him in the pros. And finally to wrap it all up with a bow, their fullback is a good blocker. Javonte ain't running routes on obvious passing downs. It's possible Denver's fullback could take over that role and he's also a capable receiver to keep defenses guessing. I'm done trying to predict the unpredictable here, we'll find out soon enough.

 

[Jppaul]

Nobody's a lock

he's a lock if he's protecting the QB

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Nobody's a lock

he's a lock if he's protecting the QB

What if Estime, Badie, Watson or the FB can do that as good or better? Unless another RB goes on IR, a RB is getting cut in 2-4 weeks when Estime gets right. We don't know who. All I'm saying is, there isn't one of them that's safe from getting the axe. I'm not in practices. I don't know what's going on, so again, all we can do is wait and see.

 

[JohnnyU]

I'm not expecting much and sure as hell won't play him now, but I hope I'm pleasantly surprised. If not, he only cost BB bucks.

 

[electric Ape]

I agree with the prevailing sentiment that this backfield is an uncertain mess for fantasy and that many future outcomes remain in play.

I also agree that both Javonte and McLaughlin have mostly played poorly thus far.

Where I don’t necessarily agree is on Javonte long term. Most seem very certain he’s complete dust at this point. Even with his bad recent play I think it’s quite premature to declare that after only 24 carries on the season.

Who is the best RB in the NFL at this moment? Most would say Saquon. I could point to many 24 carry sequences where Saquon has fared as poorly as Javonte has this year. Actually I can point to 24 carry sequences where Saquon has been even worse. And not just by stats, by the eye test too. If you went on message boards after any of those sequences you’d find a ton of opinions that Saquon is overrated, Saquon was a bad draft pick, Saquon is done etc.

I’m not saying Javonte is as good as Barkley because he definitely isn’t. I’m saying that the RB position is uniquely difficult to evaluate on a small sample. If I’m grading a WR over 3 games I can tell a lot. Is he consistently winning at the line of scrimmage, is he getting separation, is he running crisp routes, does he have drops? For a RB the story is way more muddled. And when you have a small 24 carry sample with many short yardage carries and generally poor offensive line push as Javonte has had it’s so hard to know what you are seeing. Short yardage especially. There are many short yardage plays where you could watch Walter Payton and Bishop Sankey and the film would look the exact same. You need a big sample to evaluate RBs.

Anyway sorry for the long post that has very little to do with Badie (need to see more of him to form an opinion). I’m not saying Javonte is great or even that he will lead the backfield. But with his pedigree and strong pass blocking I’d give him a little more runway before mentally elevating completely unheralded players above him. For whatever it’s worth I watched all of Javonte’s touches in the preseason and unlike the first 3 regular season games, I thought he looked really good

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

But that’s the thing, it’s not just what we saw this regular season. It’s what we saw all last year. It’s the reports from camp we chose to ignore. It’s the fact a practice squad guy is getting plays designed for him now. I loved Javonte his rookie year, one of my favorite players to watch, but he’s not the same guy, he’s just not.

 

[shoecrew22]

Tyler Badie signed to Broncos' 53-man roster​

by Jesse Garcia | Broncos Correspondent | Wed, Sep 25th 2:34pm EDT

The Broncos have signed RB Tyler Badie to their 53-man roster. (Zac Stevens on Twitter)

I see some smoke here. I’m thinking of dropping Javonte straight up for Badie. Even if it doesn’t work out at least I’ll be free from the shackles of Williams.

I dropped JW for Badie.

 

[Stoneworker]

“Just because the stats are telling you that they’re not gaining a bunch of yards doesn’t all of a sudden mean they’ve turned to crap,” Denver OC Joe Lombardi said today about Williams and McLaughlin. “You just keep handing them the ball and know that we’ll keep getting better, the plan will keep getting better, and we’ll keep blocking better. Their big runs are coming.”

 

[mrfrood]

He is ready to clean the crap out of this backfield.

 

[shoecrew22]

“Just because the stats are telling you that they’re not gaining a bunch of yards doesn’t all of a sudden mean they’ve turned to crap,” Denver OC Joe Lombardi said today about Williams and McLaughlin. “You just keep handing them the ball and know that we’ll keep getting better, the plan will keep getting better, and we’ll keep blocking better. Their big runs are coming.”

Meanwhile badie runs all over a D they both struggled against in the scenario where the D KNEW they'd be running out the clock

 

[Stoneworker]

“Just because the stats are telling you that they’re not gaining a bunch of yards doesn’t all of a sudden mean they’ve turned to crap,” Denver OC Joe Lombardi said today about Williams and McLaughlin. “You just keep handing them the ball and know that we’ll keep getting better, the plan will keep getting better, and we’ll keep blocking better. Their big runs are coming.”

Meanwhile badie runs all over a D they both struggled against in the scenario where the D KNEW they'd be running out the clock

Meanwhile if you listened to OG Quinn Meinerz today you would have heard him give props to Badie, but then quickly add "at that point in the game", "it was hot all day," and "the defense was tired."

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[ATB]

I would guess they're probably going to have a "hot hand" approach, which essentially means "Let's give first crack to Javonte, then McLaughlin, and when they almost certainly fall flat on their faces we'll give the ball to Badie and see what kinda juice he has." After a couple weeks of that, it'll be Badie with Estime until one of them asserts himself as top dog.

 

[JohnnyU]

I would guess they're probably going to have a "hot hand" approach, which essentially means "Let's give first crack to Javonte, then McLaughlin, and when they almost certainly fall flat on their faces we'll give the ball to Badie and see what kinda juice he has." After a couple weeks of that, it'll be Badie with Estime until one of them asserts himself as top dog.

Too risky to play guys like this until we know more. I think this goes without saying.

 

[socrates]

I would guess they're probably going to have a "hot hand" approach, which essentially means "Let's give first crack to Javonte, then McLaughlin, and when they almost certainly fall flat on their faces we'll give the ball to Badie and see what kinda juice he has." After a couple weeks of that, it'll be Badie with Estime until one of them asserts himself as top dog.

Too risky to play guys like this until we know more. I think this goes without saying.

Definitely no chance I would start Badie at this point. He was worth a waiver wire add, but the Denver backfield is a hot mess right now. I was high on Badie coming out of Missouri. He led the SEC in rushing in 2022, and perhaps his best asset is his ability as a receiver, so he brings an added bonus in PPR leagues. At this point, he is a stash-and-monitor player who is worth a roster spot in deeper leagues, but not much more.

 

[BespokeJort]

I would guess they're probably going to have a "hot hand" approach, which essentially means "Let's give first crack to Javonte, then McLaughlin, and when they almost certainly fall flat on their faces we'll give the ball to Badie and see what kinda juice he has." After a couple weeks of that, it'll be Badie with Estime until one of them asserts himself as top dog.

Too risky to play guys like this until we know more. I think this goes without saying.

Definitely no chance I would start Badie at this point. He was worth a waiver wire add, but the Denver backfield is a hot mess right now. I was high on Badie coming out of Missouri. He led the SEC in rushing in 2022, and perhaps his best asset is his ability as a receiver, so he brings an added bonus in PPR leagues. At this point, he is a stash-and-monitor player who is worth a roster spot in deeper leagues, but not much more.

I love using my last couple roster spots for guys like this—were on the sleeper lists in their draft year, about to get an opportunity, muddled situation with an eminently takeable long term job. If he’s good these guys aren’t obstacles. If he’s not you can toss him back in the pool in 2 weeks

 

[Faust]

Tyler Badie emerging for struggling Broncos rushing attack?

 

[socrates]

I would guess they're probably going to have a "hot hand" approach, which essentially means "Let's give first crack to Javonte, then McLaughlin, and when they almost certainly fall flat on their faces we'll give the ball to Badie and see what kinda juice he has." After a couple weeks of that, it'll be Badie with Estime until one of them asserts himself as top dog.

Too risky to play guys like this until we know more. I think this goes without saying.

Definitely no chance I would start Badie at this point. He was worth a waiver wire add, but the Denver backfield is a hot mess right now. I was high on Badie coming out of Missouri. He led the SEC in rushing in 2022, and perhaps his best asset is his ability as a receiver, so he brings an added bonus in PPR leagues. At this point, he is a stash-and-monitor player who is worth a roster spot in deeper leagues, but not much more.

I love using my last couple roster spots for guys like this—were on the sleeper lists in their draft year, about to get an opportunity, muddled situation with an eminently takeable long term job. If he’s good these guys aren’t obstacles. If he’s not you can toss him back in the pool in 2 weeks

I agree. There are a couple of strikes against Badie.

1. His size (especially his height) is a factor. Very few RBs his size succeed in today's NFL. However, I believe Badie is comparable to Ray Rice in stature and athletic profile. (My closest comparable was Boston Scott.)

2. The second concern is that Badie slipped to the 6th Round and was unable to work his way onto the Ravens' roster in 2022 despite an apparent need at RB, and he has been relegated mostly to the PS in Denver (until now). Game Day roster spots are valuable and limited, so it makes it difficult for a 6th-round pick who is undersized and may not contribute on special teams to make the game day roster. I think many coaches may prefer to roll with better-known commodities.

Payton, however, prides himself on discovering and developing deep talent. I am excited to see what Badie can do if he is given a real opportunity. While there may be no world-beaters at the RB position for Denver, this is a deep and talented group. The opportunity may be coming for Badie to emerge in this budding offense, but a late-round RB with size concerns will not be given a long leash. The next guy up is already in line.

 

[JohnnyU]

I would guess they're probably going to have a "hot hand" approach, which essentially means "Let's give first crack to Javonte, then McLaughlin, and when they almost certainly fall flat on their faces we'll give the ball to Badie and see what kinda juice he has." After a couple weeks of that, it'll be Badie with Estime until one of them asserts himself as top dog.

Too risky to play guys like this until we know more. I think this goes without saying.

Definitely no chance I would start Badie at this point. He was worth a waiver wire add, but the Denver backfield is a hot mess right now. I was high on Badie coming out of Missouri. He led the SEC in rushing in 2022, and perhaps his best asset is his ability as a receiver, so he brings an added bonus in PPR leagues. At this point, he is a stash-and-monitor player who is worth a roster spot in deeper leagues, but not much more.

I love using my last couple roster spots for guys like this—were on the sleeper lists in their draft year, about to get an opportunity, muddled situation with an eminently takeable long term job. If he’s good these guys aren’t obstacles. If he’s not you can toss him back in the pool in 2 weeks

I agree. There are a couple of strikes against Badie.

1. His size (especially his height) is a factor. Very few RBs his size succeed in today's NFL. However, I believe Badie is comparable to Ray Rice in stature and athletic profile. (My closest comparable was Boston Scott.)

2. The second concern is that Badie slipped to the 6th Round and was unable to work his way onto the Ravens' roster in 2022 despite an apparent need at RB, and he has been relegated mostly to the PS in Denver (until now). Game Day roster spots are valuable and limited, so it makes it difficult for a 6th-round pick who is undersized and may not contribute on special teams to make the game day roster. I think many coaches may prefer to roll with better-known commodities.

Payton, however, prides himself on discovering and developing deep talent. I am excited to see what Badie can do if he is given a real opportunity. While there may be no world-beaters at the RB position for Denver, this is a deep and talented group. The opportunity may be coming for Badie to emerge in this budding offense, but a late-round RB with size concerns will not be given a long leash. The next guy up is already in line.

If he comes out and gets 20 carries, then I'll perk up. Until then, not so much.

 

[Chaka]

I would guess they're probably going to have a "hot hand" approach, which essentially means "Let's give first crack to Javonte, then McLaughlin, and when they almost certainly fall flat on their faces we'll give the ball to Badie and see what kinda juice he has." After a couple weeks of that, it'll be Badie with Estime until one of them asserts himself as top dog.

Too risky to play guys like this until we know more. I think this goes without saying.

Definitely no chance I would start Badie at this point. He was worth a waiver wire add, but the Denver backfield is a hot mess right now. I was high on Badie coming out of Missouri. He led the SEC in rushing in 2022, and perhaps his best asset is his ability as a receiver, so he brings an added bonus in PPR leagues. At this point, he is a stash-and-monitor player who is worth a roster spot in deeper leagues, but not much more.

I love using my last couple roster spots for guys like this—were on the sleeper lists in their draft year, about to get an opportunity, muddled situation with an eminently takeable long term job. If he’s good these guys aren’t obstacles. If he’s not you can toss him back in the pool in 2 weeks

I agree. There are a couple of strikes against Badie.

1. His size (especially his height) is a factor. Very few RBs his size succeed in today's NFL. However, I believe Badie is comparable to Ray Rice in stature and athletic profile. (My closest comparable was Boston Scott.)

2. The second concern is that Badie slipped to the 6th Round and was unable to work his way onto the Ravens' roster in 2022 despite an apparent need at RB, and he has been relegated mostly to the PS in Denver (until now). Game Day roster spots are valuable and limited, so it makes it difficult for a 6th-round pick who is undersized and may not contribute on special teams to make the game day roster. I think many coaches may prefer to roll with better-known commodities.

Payton, however, prides himself on discovering and developing deep talent. I am excited to see what Badie can do if he is given a real opportunity. While there may be no world-beaters at the RB position for Denver, this is a deep and talented group. The opportunity may be coming for Badie to emerge in this budding offense, but a late-round RB with size concerns will not be given a long leash. The next guy up is already in line.

Well, here's to hoping he's the next Darren Sproles.

 

[BespokeJort]

Hmm this might be one of those back to the wire cases

EDIT: oof had just seen the stat line and Out status, did not realize how bad the injury looked when I wrote this. Hope he’s alright

 

[Chaka]

Hmm this might be one of those back to the wire cases

Does anyone have an update for what actually happened?

I have only heard that he took a hard shot then after he was on the sidelines he suddenly collapsed? From reading the blurbs it sounded very scary.

Is dude okay? Not in a football sense. Is he just okay?

 

[BespokeJort]

Hmm this might be one of those back to the wire cases

Does anyone have an update for what actually happened?

I have only heard that he took a hard shot then after he was on the sidelines he suddenly collapsed? From reading the blurbs it sounded very scary.

Is dude okay? Not in a football sense. Is he just okay?

Oh shoot I was not watching and didn’t hear that. Here’s hoping he’s alright. Listed as a back injury on sleeper