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RB Jaleel McLaughlin, DEN (3 Viewers)

If he's going to be flex-able, he needs catches.

The one thing from last year, he didn't do much with his receptions. Small sample size, but worth mentioning
 
Fun fact - Jaleel had 1250 college rushes. Is there another RB currently in the NFL who had even 1000?
Does that imply he's experienced, capable of a heavy workload, and utilizable? Or that he's effectively 27 years old?
No, it doesn't imply he's capable of a heavy workload... it PROVES it! If he doesn't get alot of touches it won't be because he's too small.
He handled a big workload in the MVFC. I didn't watch his college games, but I'm betting he wasn't hit by many NFL defenders.
Not a single college player has ever been hit by an NFL player. But Jaleel did have 107 touches as a rookie in the NFL, and since he only scored 3 times, I have to assume he was hit plenty by NFL players last year.
Well…

You’re using his college workload to say he can handle a big NFL workload.

I don’t think that’s a valid argument. Being hit by college defenders aint the same as being hit by NFL defenders.

He wasn’t even being tackled by Power 5 defenders.

I just don’t find the “he was able to do it in the MVFC” as a compelling or convincing argument.

Surely we’re not calling 107 touches “a big workload.”
I ain't trying to say he's already handled a big workload in the NFL. What I am saying is that he proved he can, in college. Did you know he holds the NCAA record with over 8100 rushing yards? I don't believe in your argument that being tackled by crappy college players isn't the same as NFL players. A tackle is a tackle, unless you're being tackled by puppies. Most RB injuries/missed time is due to injuries from the knee down. Last I checked, he had pretty good kneecaps, calves, and ankles.
 
Fun fact - Jaleel had 1250 college rushes. Is there another RB currently in the NFL who had even 1000?
Does that imply he's experienced, capable of a heavy workload, and utilizable? Or that he's effectively 27 years old?
No, it doesn't imply he's capable of a heavy workload... it PROVES it! If he doesn't get alot of touches it won't be because he's too small.
He handled a big workload in the MVFC. I didn't watch his college games, but I'm betting he wasn't hit by many NFL defenders.
Not a single college player has ever been hit by an NFL player. But Jaleel did have 107 touches as a rookie in the NFL, and since he only scored 3 times, I have to assume he was hit plenty by NFL players last year.
Well…

You’re using his college workload to say he can handle a big NFL workload.

I don’t think that’s a valid argument. Being hit by college defenders aint the same as being hit by NFL defenders.

He wasn’t even being tackled by Power 5 defenders.

I just don’t find the “he was able to do it in the MVFC” as a compelling or convincing argument.

Surely we’re not calling 107 touches “a big workload.”
I ain't trying to say he's already handled a big workload in the NFL. What I am saying is that he proved he can, in college. Did you know he holds the NCAA record with over 8100 rushing yards? I don't believe in your argument that being tackled by crappy college players isn't the same as NFL players. A tackle is a tackle, unless you're being tackled by puppies. Most RB injuries/missed time is due to injuries from the knee down. Last I checked, he had pretty good kneecaps, calves, and ankles.
He sure had a durable 10 years of college.
 
Fun fact - Jaleel had 1250 college rushes. Is there another RB currently in the NFL who had even 1000?
Does that imply he's experienced, capable of a heavy workload, and utilizable? Or that he's effectively 27 years old?
No, it doesn't imply he's capable of a heavy workload... it PROVES it! If he doesn't get alot of touches it won't be because he's too small.
He handled a big workload in the MVFC. I didn't watch his college games, but I'm betting he wasn't hit by many NFL defenders.
Not a single college player has ever been hit by an NFL player. But Jaleel did have 107 touches as a rookie in the NFL, and since he only scored 3 times, I have to assume he was hit plenty by NFL players last year.
Well…

You’re using his college workload to say he can handle a big NFL workload.

I don’t think that’s a valid argument. Being hit by college defenders aint the same as being hit by NFL defenders.

He wasn’t even being tackled by Power 5 defenders.

I just don’t find the “he was able to do it in the MVFC” as a compelling or convincing argument.

Surely we’re not calling 107 touches “a big workload.”
I ain't trying to say he's already handled a big workload in the NFL. What I am saying is that he proved he can, in college. Did you know he holds the NCAA record with over 8100 rushing yards? I don't believe in your argument that being tackled by crappy college players isn't the same as NFL players. A tackle is a tackle, unless you're being tackled by puppies. Most RB injuries/missed time is due to injuries from the knee down. Last I checked, he had pretty good kneecaps, calves, and ankles.
You don't actually believe that being tackled by a 22 year old in the MVFC is the same as being tackled by Fred Warner and Roquan Smith.

It's not the same. NFL players are bigger, faster, stronger. Having bigger men fall on your legs and ankles = more injury risk. They hit with more momentum, force, impact, etc. It's physics. A MAC Truck doing 70 does a lot more damage than a Prius doing 30.
 
If he's going to be flex-able, he needs catches.

The one thing from last year, he didn't do much with his receptions. Small sample size, but worth mentioning
Agree, he'll likely need 50% or more of his points to come from the passing game, which Sean Payton has had several RB's exceed in his system over the years, arguably no better offensive coach for that role in the NFL.

His points per reception and per target were pretty average at best but I've come across a few tweets touting his metrics and one I saw the other day said he was first among RB's in targets per route and 5th yards per route run among Rb's using minimum qualifiers. Which tells me he must not have been running a lot of routes which I view as untapped potential more then a negative.

If the third down job opens up would be a nice boon. Not much production in general from Bronco's RB's last year on third downs but he only had 7 intended touches on third/4th down combined, 4 carries and 3 targets, one of which was a TD.

I view his high end upside as a Sproles and the comps between the two due to size and Payton a monkey could tie together. Sproles averaged 4.27 carries/5.27 receptions a game and that amounted to an average of 15 fantasy points a game over their three years together, which last year would have put him around RB13-14. I'll repeat, that's his high end upside IMO. That may or may not be realistic to some, is to me, but I think 10 of the right kind of touches for about 12 fantasy points a game, Jaylen Warren type of production, is not only realistic but in line with my expectations.
 
McLaughlin was their most impressive RB last season, but this feels like Philip Lindsay all over again, but with more competition.

ETA: Maybe he pulls a Jaylen Warren, but its a little concerning Denver added 2 RBs in the draft, and still have Perine.
 
You don't actually believe that being tackled by a 22 year old in the MVFC is the same as being tackled by Fred Warner and Roquan Smith.
Yes, I do. Fred Warner is 230 lbs. Roquan Smith is 236 lbs. Are they made of a special material?
I think you're right. NFL players and Murray State players are the same. They're the same size. They run just as fast. They hit just as hard. Honestly, I'm surprised we don't just put Murray State in the NFC South and see what happens.
 
It's not the same. NFL players are bigger, faster, stronger. Having bigger men fall on your legs and ankles = more injury risk. They hit with more momentum, force, impact, etc. It's physics. A MAC Truck doing 70 does a lot more damage than a Prius doing 30.
I understand what you are saying. Yes, I would rather get punched by Floyd Mayweather vs George Foreman. And yes, the typical player in college is smaller, weaker, slower, younger, etc. But the fact is, when RB's miss time due to injury, it's not because they wore down. It's because of something that happened to them from the knees down. And that has very little to do with the opposing player's size, strength, speed, or age. A hit delivered to the knee doesn't have to come from a 250 lb middle linebacker running full speed for it to do damage. Just ask James Conner, who got sent to IR last year when a DB more than 50 lbs lighter knocked him out of bounds. He also happened to be the lightest player on the Bengals roster.

The truth is, we will likely never get to see if Jaleel can handle 300 NFL touches in a season, but to say he can't is wrong. James Wilder followed up a 492-touch season with a 418-touch season, and didn't miss a game in those 2 seasons. Emmitt Smith averaged 328 touches a season for 15 straight years. And since we are talking about a small RB like Jaleel, I have to mention Warrick Dunn. He was 2 inches taller than Jaleel, and weighed 7 pounds less. But that didn't stop him from a 12 year career with 1000 more touches than Derrick Henry currently has. Tony Dorsett was only 5 lbs heavier than Jaleel, but he was 4 inches taller, and managed 300+ touches in 6 seasons. Besides the strike shortened 1982 season, Walter Payton, who was only 200 lbs, topped 300 carries every year from 1976 thru 1986, and he never missed a game. Let me repeat that - 200 lb RB Walter Payton played in 156 straight games while averaging 335 carries per season for 10 years.

The fact that teams just don't give players workloads like they did in the past doesn't mean the players of today couldn't handle them. Heck, if I asked which current player is known as the work-horsiest in terms of carries (yes, I made up a word), many would say Derrick Henry. He could average 300 carries for the next 6 years and still be behind Walter Payton.
 
It's not the same. NFL players are bigger, faster, stronger. Having bigger men fall on your legs and ankles = more injury risk. They hit with more momentum, force, impact, etc. It's physics. A MAC Truck doing 70 does a lot more damage than a Prius doing 30.
I understand what you are saying. Yes, I would rather get punched by Floyd Mayweather vs George Foreman. And yes, the typical player in college is smaller, weaker, slower, younger, etc. But the fact is, when RB's miss time due to injury, it's not because they wore down. It's because of something that happened to them from the knees down. And that has very little to do with the opposing player's size, strength, speed, or age. A hit delivered to the knee doesn't have to come from a 250 lb middle linebacker running full speed for it to do damage. Just ask James Conner, who got sent to IR last year when a DB more than 50 lbs lighter knocked him out of bounds. He also happened to be the lightest player on the Bengals roster.

The truth is, we will likely never get to see if Jaleel can handle 300 NFL touches in a season, but to say he can't is wrong. James Wilder followed up a 492-touch season with a 418-touch season, and didn't miss a game in those 2 seasons. Emmitt Smith averaged 328 touches a season for 15 straight years. And since we are talking about a small RB like Jaleel, I have to mention Warrick Dunn. He was 2 inches taller than Jaleel, and weighed 7 pounds less. But that didn't stop him from a 12 year career with 1000 more touches than Derrick Henry currently has. Tony Dorsett was only 5 lbs heavier than Jaleel, but he was 4 inches taller, and managed 300+ touches in 6 seasons. Besides the strike shortened 1982 season, Walter Payton, who was only 200 lbs, topped 300 carries every year from 1976 thru 1986, and he never missed a game. Let me repeat that - 200 lb RB Walter Payton played in 156 straight games while averaging 335 carries per season for 10 years.

The fact that teams just don't give players workloads like they did in the past doesn't mean the players of today couldn't handle them. Heck, if I asked which current player is known as the work-horsiest in terms of carries (yes, I made up a word), many would say Derrick Henry. He could average 300 carries for the next 6 years and still be behind Walter Payton.
While this all true and I generally agree with your sentiment, the defensive players in Payton’s era were probably smaller. HOF DT Randy White was 255 pounds. But I don’t have the overall data to say for sure.
 
It's not the same. NFL players are bigger, faster, stronger. Having bigger men fall on your legs and ankles = more injury risk. They hit with more momentum, force, impact, etc. It's physics. A MAC Truck doing 70 does a lot more damage than a Prius doing 30.
I understand what you are saying. Yes, I would rather get punched by Floyd Mayweather vs George Foreman. And yes, the typical player in college is smaller, weaker, slower, younger, etc. But the fact is, when RB's miss time due to injury, it's not because they wore down. It's because of something that happened to them from the knees down. And that has very little to do with the opposing player's size, strength, speed, or age. A hit delivered to the knee doesn't have to come from a 250 lb middle linebacker running full speed for it to do damage. Just ask James Conner, who got sent to IR last year when a DB more than 50 lbs lighter knocked him out of bounds. He also happened to be the lightest player on the Bengals roster.

The truth is, we will likely never get to see if Jaleel can handle 300 NFL touches in a season, but to say he can't is wrong. James Wilder followed up a 492-touch season with a 418-touch season, and didn't miss a game in those 2 seasons. Emmitt Smith averaged 328 touches a season for 15 straight years. And since we are talking about a small RB like Jaleel, I have to mention Warrick Dunn. He was 2 inches taller than Jaleel, and weighed 7 pounds less. But that didn't stop him from a 12 year career with 1000 more touches than Derrick Henry currently has. Tony Dorsett was only 5 lbs heavier than Jaleel, but he was 4 inches taller, and managed 300+ touches in 6 seasons. Besides the strike shortened 1982 season, Walter Payton, who was only 200 lbs, topped 300 carries every year from 1976 thru 1986, and he never missed a game. Let me repeat that - 200 lb RB Walter Payton played in 156 straight games while averaging 335 carries per season for 10 years.

The fact that teams just don't give players workloads like they did in the past doesn't mean the players of today couldn't handle them. Heck, if I asked which current player is known as the work-horsiest in terms of carries (yes, I made up a word), many would say Derrick Henry. He could average 300 carries for the next 6 years and still be behind Walter Payton.
While this all true and I generally agree with your sentiment, the defensive players in Payton’s era were probably smaller. HOF DT Randy White was 255 pounds. But I don’t have the overall data to say for sure.
I don't think we need the data to say players have gotten bigger over the years. I'm sure it's true. But we also don't need current RB data to say no RB will ever again have 492 touches in a season, even if said RB weighed 250 pounds and can run a 4.3. If such a man existed, he would not be offered the opportunity to see just how much he could handle before wearing down. My point is simply this - Jaleel, at 5'7" and 187 pounds, is big enough to handle a big load. Now if he were 5'7" and 140 pounds I would say he wasn't. But at his height and weight, what would be a comparable weight for someone who is 6'0"?
 
Misssouri Valley Conference, checking in...

I'm not trying to be argumentative. Good on them for putting some guys in the NFL.

They had zero defensive players drafted in 2023, the year JM came out.
They had 2 5th round Defensive tackles in 2022.

I just don't think he was taking the same quality of hits he's going to see in the NFL.
I don't think his ability to "carry the load" in college speaks to his ability to do it in the NFL.
 
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It's not the same. NFL players are bigger, faster, stronger. Having bigger men fall on your legs and ankles = more injury risk. They hit with more momentum, force, impact, etc. It's physics. A MAC Truck doing 70 does a lot more damage than a Prius doing 30.
I understand what you are saying. Yes, I would rather get punched by Floyd Mayweather vs George Foreman. And yes, the typical player in college is smaller, weaker, slower, younger, etc. But the fact is, when RB's miss time due to injury, it's not because they wore down. It's because of something that happened to them from the knees down. And that has very little to do with the opposing player's size, strength, speed, or age. A hit delivered to the knee doesn't have to come from a 250 lb middle linebacker running full speed for it to do damage. Just ask James Conner, who got sent to IR last year when a DB more than 50 lbs lighter knocked him out of bounds. He also happened to be the lightest player on the Bengals roster.

The truth is, we will likely never get to see if Jaleel can handle 300 NFL touches in a season, but to say he can't is wrong. James Wilder followed up a 492-touch season with a 418-touch season, and didn't miss a game in those 2 seasons. Emmitt Smith averaged 328 touches a season for 15 straight years. And since we are talking about a small RB like Jaleel, I have to mention Warrick Dunn. He was 2 inches taller than Jaleel, and weighed 7 pounds less. But that didn't stop him from a 12 year career with 1000 more touches than Derrick Henry currently has. Tony Dorsett was only 5 lbs heavier than Jaleel, but he was 4 inches taller, and managed 300+ touches in 6 seasons. Besides the strike shortened 1982 season, Walter Payton, who was only 200 lbs, topped 300 carries every year from 1976 thru 1986, and he never missed a game. Let me repeat that - 200 lb RB Walter Payton played in 156 straight games while averaging 335 carries per season for 10 years.

The fact that teams just don't give players workloads like they did in the past doesn't mean the players of today couldn't handle them. Heck, if I asked which current player is known as the work-horsiest in terms of carries (yes, I made up a word), many would say Derrick Henry. He could average 300 carries for the next 6 years and still be behind Walter Payton.
While this all true and I generally agree with your sentiment, the defensive players in Payton’s era were probably smaller. HOF DT Randy White was 255 pounds. But I don’t have the overall data to say for sure.
I don't think we need the data to say players have gotten bigger over the years. I'm sure it's true. But we also don't need current RB data to say no RB will ever again have 492 touches in a season, even if said RB weighed 250 pounds and can run a 4.3. If such a man existed, he would not be offered the opportunity to see just how much he could handle before wearing down. My point is simply this - Jaleel, at 5'7" and 187 pounds, is big enough to handle a big load. Now if he were 5'7" and 140 pounds I would say he wasn't. But at his height and weight, what would be a comparable weight for someone who is 6'0"?

It might be true that he can handle a big load, but we obviously don't know do we? We do know that he wasn't able to make it through his first season in a part time role. We also know he had a LOT of carries in college. Was the injury a fluke or could it be that his body might not be able to take the physical level of play. Could the wear and tear be catching up with him? Only time will tell us.

We know that the Broncos used a 5th round pick on an RB with pretty good size. I personally don't think they would have done that if they felt good about the RB room, but that may be more question about Williams than JM. But any way you look at it it's certainly not a vote of confidence for JM.

I actually don't think it would be good for JM to have a big role. I think he can bring plenty value in a part time role the way that Pollard did with Dallas. Maybe the Broncos feel the same.
 
I just want to say we have no idea how much Jaleel weighs. He was listed at 187 last year, was 192 during his pro day when he ran very well. Said in an interview the other day he's packed on more muscle and weight and was concerned it would impact his speed but he was pleasantly surprised that he's been more explosive(which was seconded by some Denver beat writers).

For all we know he's 195 or 200 but sure seems like a safe bet he's more then 187. This may or may not matter to people but I just want to clarify this as a lot of comments seem to be running with him being 185-187.
 
We do know that he wasn't able to make it through his first season in a part time role. We also know he had a LOT of carries in college. Was the injury a fluke or could it be that his body might not be able to take the physical level of play. Could the wear and tear be catching up with him? Only time will tell us.
This all seems like a mighty stretch.

He played every game, had a concussion in the last game of the season.
 
It might be true that he can handle a big load, but we obviously don't know do we? We do know that he wasn't able to make it through his first season in a part time role. We also know he had a LOT of carries in college. Was the injury a fluke or could it be that his body might not be able to take the physical level of play. Could the wear and tear be catching up with him? Only time will tell us.

We know that the Broncos used a 5th round pick on an RB with pretty good size. I personally don't think they would have done that if they felt good about the RB room, but that may be more question about Williams than JM. But any way you look at it it's certainly not a vote of confidence for JM.

I actually don't think it would be good for JM to have a big role. I think he can bring plenty value in a part time role the way that Pollard did with Dallas. Maybe the Broncos feel the same.
What injury are you talking about? He played in all 17 games last year. Did his knees give out in game 17?
 
I just want to say we have no idea how much Jaleel weighs. He was listed at 187 last year, was 192 during his pro day when he ran very well. Said in an interview the other day he's packed on more muscle and weight and was concerned it would impact his speed but he was pleasantly surprised that he's been more explosive(which was seconded by some Denver beat writers).

For all we know he's 195 or 200 but sure seems like a safe bet he's more then 187. This may or may not matter to people but I just want to clarify this as a lot of comments seem to be running with him being 185-187.
OK, let's use 5'7" and 192 lbs as his size. Using a BMI calculator, that puts Jaleel at 30.07. Here are the BMI's of the RB's to have a 300 touch season in the last 3 seasons:

Jonathan Taylor - 5'10", 226 lbs = 32.42
Josh Jacobs - 5'10", 223 lbs = 31.99
Najee Harris - 6'1", 242 lbs = 31.92
Nick Chubb - 5'11", 227 lbs = 31.66
Saquon Barkley - 6'0", 232 lbs = 31.46
Derrick Henry - 6'3", 247 lbs = 30.87
Travis Etienne - 5'10", 215 lbs = 30.85
Dalvin Cook - 5'10", 210 lbs = 30.13
This is where Jaleel would be
Joe Mixon - 6'1", 220 lbs = 29.02
Rachaad White - 6'0", 214 lbs = 29.02
Austin Ekeler - 5'10", 200 lbs = 28.69
Christian McCaffrey - 5'11", 205 lbs = 28.59
Tony Pollard - 6'0", 209 lbs = 28.34
Antonio Gibson - 6'2", 220 lbs = 28.24
 
I just want to say we have no idea how much Jaleel weighs. He was listed at 187 last year, was 192 during his pro day when he ran very well. Said in an interview the other day he's packed on more muscle and weight and was concerned it would impact his speed but he was pleasantly surprised that he's been more explosive(which was seconded by some Denver beat writers).

For all we know he's 195 or 200 but sure seems like a safe bet he's more then 187. This may or may not matter to people but I just want to clarify this as a lot of comments seem to be running with him being 185-187.
OK, let's use 5'7" and 192 lbs as his size. Using a BMI calculator, that puts Jaleel at 30.07. Here are the BMI's of the RB's to have a 300 touch season in the last 3 seasons:

Jonathan Taylor - 5'10", 226 lbs = 32.42
Josh Jacobs - 5'10", 223 lbs = 31.99
Najee Harris - 6'1", 242 lbs = 31.92
Nick Chubb - 5'11", 227 lbs = 31.66
Saquon Barkley - 6'0", 232 lbs = 31.46
Derrick Henry - 6'3", 247 lbs = 30.87
Travis Etienne - 5'10", 215 lbs = 30.85
Dalvin Cook - 5'10", 210 lbs = 30.13
This is where Jaleel would be
Joe Mixon - 6'1", 220 lbs = 29.02
Rachaad White - 6'0", 214 lbs = 29.02
Austin Ekeler - 5'10", 200 lbs = 28.69
Christian McCaffrey - 5'11", 205 lbs = 28.59
Tony Pollard - 6'0", 209 lbs = 28.34
Antonio Gibson - 6'2", 220 lbs = 28.24
Even 192 may be stretching it.
 
It might be true that he can handle a big load, but we obviously don't know do we? We do know that he wasn't able to make it through his first season in a part time role. We also know he had a LOT of carries in college. Was the injury a fluke or could it be that his body might not be able to take the physical level of play. Could the wear and tear be catching up with him? Only time will tell us.

We know that the Broncos used a 5th round pick on an RB with pretty good size. I personally don't think they would have done that if they felt good about the RB room, but that may be more question about Williams than JM. But any way you look at it it's certainly not a vote of confidence for JM.

I actually don't think it would be good for JM to have a big role. I think he can bring plenty value in a part time role the way that Pollard did with Dallas. Maybe the Broncos feel the same.
What injury are you talking about? He played in all 17 games last year. Did his knees give out in game 17?
But...

You realize he touched the ball 6.3 times per game.

You're saying "SEE!!! HE HANDLED IT JUST FINE"

But he only handled it just fine 6.3 times per game.

Maybe Jaleel can handle 300 touches, and I'll be happy to be wrong as I own the guy in 3/4 dynasty leagues. But the arguments you're presenting aren't compelling or convincing.

"Oh, he did it in college vs the MVFC." But you ignore the size, speed, talent difference of the MVFC vs the NFL. The fact that you keep acting like the Linebackers are Indiana State and Murray State are the same as the Linebackers from the Dallas Cowboys makes it hard to take anything else you say with credibility. Maybe you're trolling and I'm too dense to get it?

"Oh, he survived all of last year without an injury." But we gloss over that he only touched the ball 6 times.

It feels like you made a "bold claim" and then looked for arguments to back it up rather than forming an opinion based on sound/logical arguments.
 
I just want to say we have no idea how much Jaleel weighs. He was listed at 187 last year, was 192 during his pro day when he ran very well. Said in an interview the other day he's packed on more muscle and weight and was concerned it would impact his speed but he was pleasantly surprised that he's been more explosive(which was seconded by some Denver beat writers).

For all we know he's 195 or 200 but sure seems like a safe bet he's more then 187. This may or may not matter to people but I just want to clarify this as a lot of comments seem to be running with him being 185-187.
OK, let's use 5'7" and 192 lbs as his size. Using a BMI calculator, that puts Jaleel at 30.07. Here are the BMI's of the RB's to have a 300 touch season in the last 3 seasons:

Jonathan Taylor - 5'10", 226 lbs = 32.42
Josh Jacobs - 5'10", 223 lbs = 31.99
Najee Harris - 6'1", 242 lbs = 31.92
Nick Chubb - 5'11", 227 lbs = 31.66
Saquon Barkley - 6'0", 232 lbs = 31.46
Derrick Henry - 6'3", 247 lbs = 30.87
Travis Etienne - 5'10", 215 lbs = 30.85
Dalvin Cook - 5'10", 210 lbs = 30.13
This is where Jaleel would be
Joe Mixon - 6'1", 220 lbs = 29.02
Rachaad White - 6'0", 214 lbs = 29.02
Austin Ekeler - 5'10", 200 lbs = 28.69
Christian McCaffrey - 5'11", 205 lbs = 28.59
Tony Pollard - 6'0", 209 lbs = 28.34
Antonio Gibson - 6'2", 220 lbs = 28.24
Even 192 may be stretching it.
I'd bet all I got on the over.
 
I just want to say we have no idea how much Jaleel weighs. He was listed at 187 last year, was 192 during his pro day when he ran very well. Said in an interview the other day he's packed on more muscle and weight and was concerned it would impact his speed but he was pleasantly surprised that he's been more explosive(which was seconded by some Denver beat writers).

For all we know he's 195 or 200 but sure seems like a safe bet he's more then 187. This may or may not matter to people but I just want to clarify this as a lot of comments seem to be running with him being 185-187.
OK, let's use 5'7" and 192 lbs as his size. Using a BMI calculator, that puts Jaleel at 30.07. Here are the BMI's of the RB's to have a 300 touch season in the last 3 seasons:

Jonathan Taylor - 5'10", 226 lbs = 32.42
Josh Jacobs - 5'10", 223 lbs = 31.99
Najee Harris - 6'1", 242 lbs = 31.92
Nick Chubb - 5'11", 227 lbs = 31.66
Saquon Barkley - 6'0", 232 lbs = 31.46
Derrick Henry - 6'3", 247 lbs = 30.87
Travis Etienne - 5'10", 215 lbs = 30.85
Dalvin Cook - 5'10", 210 lbs = 30.13
This is where Jaleel would be
Joe Mixon - 6'1", 220 lbs = 29.02
Rachaad White - 6'0", 214 lbs = 29.02
Austin Ekeler - 5'10", 200 lbs = 28.69
Christian McCaffrey - 5'11", 205 lbs = 28.59
Tony Pollard - 6'0", 209 lbs = 28.34
Antonio Gibson - 6'2", 220 lbs = 28.24
Even 192 may be stretching it.
I'd bet all I got on the over.
Can’t draw blood from …….oh nevermind.
 
I just want to say we have no idea how much Jaleel weighs. He was listed at 187 last year, was 192 during his pro day when he ran very well. Said in an interview the other day he's packed on more muscle and weight and was concerned it would impact his speed but he was pleasantly surprised that he's been more explosive(which was seconded by some Denver beat writers).

For all we know he's 195 or 200 but sure seems like a safe bet he's more then 187. This may or may not matter to people but I just want to clarify this as a lot of comments seem to be running with him being 185-187.
OK, let's use 5'7" and 192 lbs as his size. Using a BMI calculator, that puts Jaleel at 30.07. Here are the BMI's of the RB's to have a 300 touch season in the last 3 seasons:

Jonathan Taylor - 5'10", 226 lbs = 32.42
Josh Jacobs - 5'10", 223 lbs = 31.99
Najee Harris - 6'1", 242 lbs = 31.92
Nick Chubb - 5'11", 227 lbs = 31.66
Saquon Barkley - 6'0", 232 lbs = 31.46
Derrick Henry - 6'3", 247 lbs = 30.87
Travis Etienne - 5'10", 215 lbs = 30.85
Dalvin Cook - 5'10", 210 lbs = 30.13
This is where Jaleel would be
Joe Mixon - 6'1", 220 lbs = 29.02
Rachaad White - 6'0", 214 lbs = 29.02
Austin Ekeler - 5'10", 200 lbs = 28.69
Christian McCaffrey - 5'11", 205 lbs = 28.59
Tony Pollard - 6'0", 209 lbs = 28.34
Antonio Gibson - 6'2", 220 lbs = 28.24
Even 192 may be stretching it.
I'd bet all I got on the over.
Can’t draw blood from …….oh nevermind.
He was 192 at his pro day when he ran 4.44 and 4.42 so he showed he can carry that weight.

Since then he's gone from Youngstown St's weight room and training staff to a year of working with an NFL teams, where people can't stop raving about his work ethic.

He just said like in last day or two he's put on weight.

I just don't see how someone can say 192 is a stretch.
 
I just want to say we have no idea how much Jaleel weighs. He was listed at 187 last year, was 192 during his pro day when he ran very well. Said in an interview the other day he's packed on more muscle and weight and was concerned it would impact his speed but he was pleasantly surprised that he's been more explosive(which was seconded by some Denver beat writers).

For all we know he's 195 or 200 but sure seems like a safe bet he's more then 187. This may or may not matter to people but I just want to clarify this as a lot of comments seem to be running with him being 185-187.
OK, let's use 5'7" and 192 lbs as his size. Using a BMI calculator, that puts Jaleel at 30.07. Here are the BMI's of the RB's to have a 300 touch season in the last 3 seasons:

Jonathan Taylor - 5'10", 226 lbs = 32.42
Josh Jacobs - 5'10", 223 lbs = 31.99
Najee Harris - 6'1", 242 lbs = 31.92
Nick Chubb - 5'11", 227 lbs = 31.66
Saquon Barkley - 6'0", 232 lbs = 31.46
Derrick Henry - 6'3", 247 lbs = 30.87
Travis Etienne - 5'10", 215 lbs = 30.85
Dalvin Cook - 5'10", 210 lbs = 30.13
This is where Jaleel would be
Joe Mixon - 6'1", 220 lbs = 29.02
Rachaad White - 6'0", 214 lbs = 29.02
Austin Ekeler - 5'10", 200 lbs = 28.69
Christian McCaffrey - 5'11", 205 lbs = 28.59
Tony Pollard - 6'0", 209 lbs = 28.34
Antonio Gibson - 6'2", 220 lbs = 28.24
Even 192 may be stretching it.
I'd bet all I got on the over.
Can’t draw blood from …….oh nevermind.
He was 192 at his pro day when he ran 4.44 and 4.42 so he showed he can carry that weight.

Since then he's gone from Youngstown St's weight room and training staff to a year of working with an NFL teams, where people can't stop raving about his work ethic.

He just said like in last day or two he's put on weight.

I just don't see how someone can say 192 is a stretch.
You’re probably right. During his many years in college and time in the NFL he probably did add weight. I sit corrected.
 
It might be true that he can handle a big load, but we obviously don't know do we? We do know that he wasn't able to make it through his first season in a part time role. We also know he had a LOT of carries in college. Was the injury a fluke or could it be that his body might not be able to take the physical level of play. Could the wear and tear be catching up with him? Only time will tell us.

We know that the Broncos used a 5th round pick on an RB with pretty good size. I personally don't think they would have done that if they felt good about the RB room, but that may be more question about Williams than JM. But any way you look at it it's certainly not a vote of confidence for JM.

I actually don't think it would be good for JM to have a big role. I think he can bring plenty value in a part time role the way that Pollard did with Dallas. Maybe the Broncos feel the same.
What injury are you talking about? He played in all 17 games last year. Did his knees give out in game 17?
Fair enough. He left early for injury in his last game, but my memory did fail me. I thought he missed a 2nd one.
 
It might be true that he can handle a big load, but we obviously don't know do we? We do know that he wasn't able to make it through his first season in a part time role. We also know he had a LOT of carries in college. Was the injury a fluke or could it be that his body might not be able to take the physical level of play. Could the wear and tear be catching up with him? Only time will tell us.

We know that the Broncos used a 5th round pick on an RB with pretty good size. I personally don't think they would have done that if they felt good about the RB room, but that may be more question about Williams than JM. But any way you look at it it's certainly not a vote of confidence for JM.

I actually don't think it would be good for JM to have a big role. I think he can bring plenty value in a part time role the way that Pollard did with Dallas. Maybe the Broncos feel the same.
What injury are you talking about? He played in all 17 games last year. Did his knees give out in game 17?
But...

You realize he touched the ball 6.3 times per game.

You're saying "SEE!!! HE HANDLED IT JUST FINE"

But he only handled it just fine 6.3 times per game.

Maybe Jaleel can handle 300 touches, and I'll be happy to be wrong as I own the guy in 3/4 dynasty leagues. But the arguments you're presenting aren't compelling or convincing.

"Oh, he did it in college vs the MVFC." But you ignore the size, speed, talent difference of the MVFC vs the NFL. The fact that you keep acting like the Linebackers are Indiana State and Murray State are the same as the Linebackers from the Dallas Cowboys makes it hard to take anything else you say with credibility. Maybe you're trolling and I'm too dense to get it?

"Oh, he survived all of last year without an injury." But we gloss over that he only touched the ball 6 times.

It feels like you made a "bold claim" and then looked for arguments to back it up rather than forming an opinion based on sound/logical arguments.
I had to go back and read all my posts from the last 2 pages. Here are the things I said, in a nutshell:
- Jaleel had a buttload of touches in college and didn't seem to miss time doing so
- Jaleel played all 17 games last year in the NFL, albeit with only 107 touches, but didn't seem to miss time doing so
- Jaleel will likely never see 300 touches, but I think he could handle it like others who are taller and heavier

Please reread all my posts and tell me what "bold claim" you are referring to.
 
It might be true that he can handle a big load, but we obviously don't know do we? We do know that he wasn't able to make it through his first season in a part time role. We also know he had a LOT of carries in college. Was the injury a fluke or could it be that his body might not be able to take the physical level of play. Could the wear and tear be catching up with him? Only time will tell us.

We know that the Broncos used a 5th round pick on an RB with pretty good size. I personally don't think they would have done that if they felt good about the RB room, but that may be more question about Williams than JM. But any way you look at it it's certainly not a vote of confidence for JM.

I actually don't think it would be good for JM to have a big role. I think he can bring plenty value in a part time role the way that Pollard did with Dallas. Maybe the Broncos feel the same.
What injury are you talking about? He played in all 17 games last year. Did his knees give out in game 17?
Fair enough. He left early for injury in his last game, but my memory did fail me. I thought he missed a 2nd one.
And what was the injury he suffered in his last game? A concussion? Are you saying his head's too small?
 
I just want to say we have no idea how much Jaleel weighs. He was listed at 187 last year, was 192 during his pro day when he ran very well. Said in an interview the other day he's packed on more muscle and weight and was concerned it would impact his speed but he was pleasantly surprised that he's been more explosive(which was seconded by some Denver beat writers).

For all we know he's 195 or 200 but sure seems like a safe bet he's more then 187. This may or may not matter to people but I just want to clarify this as a lot of comments seem to be running with him being 185-187.
OK, let's use 5'7" and 192 lbs as his size. Using a BMI calculator, that puts Jaleel at 30.07. Here are the BMI's of the RB's to have a 300 touch season in the last 3 seasons:

Jonathan Taylor - 5'10", 226 lbs = 32.42
Josh Jacobs - 5'10", 223 lbs = 31.99
Najee Harris - 6'1", 242 lbs = 31.92
Nick Chubb - 5'11", 227 lbs = 31.66
Saquon Barkley - 6'0", 232 lbs = 31.46
Derrick Henry - 6'3", 247 lbs = 30.87
Travis Etienne - 5'10", 215 lbs = 30.85
Dalvin Cook - 5'10", 210 lbs = 30.13
This is where Jaleel would be
Joe Mixon - 6'1", 220 lbs = 29.02
Rachaad White - 6'0", 214 lbs = 29.02
Austin Ekeler - 5'10", 200 lbs = 28.69
Christian McCaffrey - 5'11", 205 lbs = 28.59
Tony Pollard - 6'0", 209 lbs = 28.34
Antonio Gibson - 6'2", 220 lbs = 28.24
Even 192 may be stretching it.
I'd bet all I got on the over.
Can’t draw blood from …….oh nevermind.
He was 192 at his pro day when he ran 4.44 and 4.42 so he showed he can carry that weight.

Since then he's gone from Youngstown St's weight room and training staff to a year of working with an NFL teams, where people can't stop raving about his work ethic.

He just said like in last day or two he's put on weight.

I just don't see how someone can say 192 is a stretch.
Of course he weighs more than he did at the combine. So does almost every NFL player. CMC, Ekeler, etc all added weight. Heck most humans period gain weight from early 20s to mid 20s. The combine weight is the only time we ever get an objective weight for any NFL player so it’s all we can use to compare them. Also I get the idea of BMI but overall mass does matter.
 
I have no idea why I am arguing so passionately for Jaleel. I play redraft, so it's not like I have any shares. I only came to say he was a workhorse in college, and I thought he could handle a big load, but would probably never be given the chance in the NFL. I don't buy the "but he only played against crappy players in college" defense. Even the worst teams in the MVFC still roster defensive players who can run fast, are strong, and have weight. I know the Murray State Racers were mentioned, so I decided to look at the size and weight of their defense. Here is a link to their team - https://goracers.com/sports/football/roster?sort=position
Based on how some people were talking, I would've expected the crappy Murray State defensive players to be around 200 pounds on the defensive line, with the LB's in the 175 range, and DB's around 140 lbs.
 
I have no idea why I am arguing so passionately for Jaleel. I play redraft, so it's not like I have any shares. I only came to say he was a workhorse in college, and I thought he could handle a big load, but would probably never be given the chance in the NFL. I don't buy the "but he only played against crappy players in college" defense. Even the worst teams in the MVFC still roster defensive players who can run fast, are strong, and have weight. I know the Murray State Racers were mentioned, so I decided to look at the size and weight of their defense. Here is a link to their team - https://goracers.com/sports/football/roster?sort=position
Based on how some people were talking, I would've expected the crappy Murray State defensive players to be around 200 pounds on the defensive line, with the LB's in the 175 range, and DB's around 140 lbs.
Some of the Murray State guys are NFL sized. A lot are a little smaller. Do you think they all run as fast? Do you think they all hit as hard? It's just SUCH a ridiculous argument.

I get it. You're so married to defending this idea that you can't see logic or reason anymore. I think it's time to let it go and move on. I can't keep arguing with someone that thinks that Murray State Linebackers are the same as the NFL linebackers. It's incredulous. You've got to be trolling. That's the only logical explanation.
 
I have no idea why I am arguing so passionately for Jaleel. I play redraft, so it's not like I have any shares. I only came to say he was a workhorse in college, and I thought he could handle a big load, but would probably never be given the chance in the NFL. I don't buy the "but he only played against crappy players in college" defense. Even the worst teams in the MVFC still roster defensive players who can run fast, are strong, and have weight. I know the Murray State Racers were mentioned, so I decided to look at the size and weight of their defense. Here is a link to their team - https://goracers.com/sports/football/roster?sort=position
Based on how some people were talking, I would've expected the crappy Murray State defensive players to be around 200 pounds on the defensive line, with the LB's in the 175 range, and DB's around 140 lbs.

Colleges are well known for being completely honest about the height and weight of their players. You can always count on it.
 
I have no idea why I am arguing so passionately for Jaleel. I play redraft, so it's not like I have any shares. I only came to say he was a workhorse in college, and I thought he could handle a big load, but would probably never be given the chance in the NFL. I don't buy the "but he only played against crappy players in college" defense. Even the worst teams in the MVFC still roster defensive players who can run fast, are strong, and have weight. I know the Murray State Racers were mentioned, so I decided to look at the size and weight of their defense. Here is a link to their team - https://goracers.com/sports/football/roster?sort=position
Based on how some people were talking, I would've expected the crappy Murray State defensive players to be around 200 pounds on the defensive line, with the LB's in the 175 range, and DB's around 140 lbs.
Some of the Murray State guys are NFL sized. A lot are a little smaller. Do you think they all run as fast? Do you think they all hit as hard? It's just SUCH a ridiculous argument.

I get it. You're so married to defending this idea that you can't see logic or reason anymore. I think it's time to let it go and move on. I can't keep arguing with someone that thinks that Murray State Linebackers are the same as the NFL linebackers. It's incredulous. You've got to be trolling. That's the only logical explanation.
I remember my brother in high school (Tates Creek in Lexington, Ky) in the mid-70s as a defensive lineman looking so much bigger than everyone else on the field. He was all-state and got a scholarship offer to Morehead State. He turned it down and went to work a regular job instead :( Dumb arse :angry: He didn't like football enough, go figure.
 
Just look at how Sean Payton used Darren Sproles in New Orleans...They had a 4 headed monster of Mark Ingram, Pierre Thomas, Chris Ivory and Sproles with around 70-100 carries each
 
I do not see how anyone can criticize this guys running after watching him last year. Excellent burst and seems to have great vision. Obviously there is the size issue (but decent weight for his height) and doesn’t do well if hit early. But he breaks tackles once quickly reaching speed with quick shifts to gain leverage. I am a buyer as I think he really has a nice shot to gain touches this year. Apparently is a worker-bee. His passing grade is poor because a lot of the throws were screens behind the line of scrimmage where defenders were there to make the play a lot of the time. If he can improve enough to get more receiving reps he has a chance to be Denver’s best FF back imo.
 
Seriously hoping he opts to wear a Guardian Cap in game

For the 2024 season, NFL players have the option to wear Guardian Caps during games to help prevent head injuries and increase player safety. Guardian Caps are soft-shell covers that provide extra cushioning over helmets, especially during helmet-to-helmet contact. According to their manufacturer, Guardian Caps can reduce impact by up to 33%.
 
Jaleel McLaughlin is one of my favorite dynasty stashes, although the price to acquire him is on the rise. All-time rushing leader in college, and the guy has a fire in his belly. When I watch him, I don't see a significant difference between McLaughlin and Achane. Great start-and-stop ability and acceleration. Excellent vision. Good hands. Runs with good pad level and football intelligence. Understands how to use his stature to his benefit. Limited effectiveness picking up blitzing linebackers. Mclaughlin does not have the elite open-field speed of Achane, but he is plenty fast.

McLaughlin may not be built to handle every-down work, but I believe he could potentially grow into that. We see other backs in the league who are undersized and enjoying success. James Cooks and Kyren Williams are under 200, and Jahmyr Gibbs is barely 200.
 
Baby MJD?
Maybe I'm just seeing the Broncos uniform, but I keep seeing another Philip Lindsay, who to be fair, was pretty good for a couple years.
Lindsay didn't look like a little fire hydrant like Jaleel does. Maybe it's just Jaleel's head - he has a huge melon! I bet he tops all RB's in head BMI.
Looks like a normal sized head to me. I just googled him looking at images. I don’t get it.
 

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