LawFitz
Footballguy
^^^ No prediction with the above. One game. Small sample. But I will say that *IF* Jaleel McG gets ~similar # of touches as Javonte, then I very much look forward to seeing what he does with them.
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RB Jaleel McLaughlin, DEN (2 Viewers)
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^^^ No prediction with the above. One game. Small sample. But I will say that *IF* Jaleel McG gets ~similar # of touches as Javonte, then I very much look forward to seeing what he does with them.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Film study and vision pays off for Jaleel with great counter-cutback move last week vs. Quay Walker (#7)
Broncos RB Jaleel McLaughlin on this 11-yard run vs. Green Bay: “I’ve been watching (Quay Walker) all week and he plays the cutback pretty well. Starting off, he beat me to the punch, so I had to make another move.”
Broncos RB Jaleel McLaughlin on this 11-yard run vs. Green Bay: “I’ve been watching (Quay Walker) all week and he plays the cutback pretty well. Starting off, he beat me to the punch, so I had to make another move.”
FantasyGuru24
Footballguy
He might be good in the screen game with snowy conditions
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Hard to say who gets more run if Williams goes down. I actually think for this year Perine would get the bigger chunk. Imo
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I think Perine would take pretty much all of Javonte's load.
I held Jaleel all season, but watching him try to pass block Monday night, it's just hard for me see him getting volume. It's one thing to miss assignments, but when you know where to be, and for the defender, it really doesn't matter, I'm not sure how you over come that one.
Obviously, he can have big games on limited touches though.
greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
Wasn’t Dulchich the rumored joker last year?
Boone22
Footballguy
I remember reading that too.
Supposedly. Unfortunately his hamstring ruined the punch line.
massraider
Footballguy
At their price, I think I want McLaughlin and Dulcich on my team this season. Shoot, and Mims.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
It's a generic term Payton uses to describe players that can create matchup problems. But historically it's been a dual-threat running back, so therefore McLaughlin the more likely candidate vis-a-vis Dulcich.
"The 'joker' player for us is not a receiver," Payton explained. "It's either a running back or a tight end with exceptional ball skills and then you can work matchups. We've had that at the running back position. Reggie Bush was the 'joker,' Darren Sproles and [Alvin] Kamara. Those were all unique players, not just in the running game, but they had passing game skill sets that allowed you to do multiple things, and I think Greg does, too."
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TheWinz
Footballguy
Only 2 RB's last year had as many carries and a higher YPC than Jaleel - CMC and Achane
The main roadblock to success IMO is not Javonte, and it's not the rookie Audric; it's Samaje. Perine is a great receiving back, and as long as he stays on the DEN roster, he will cannibalize touches that would otherwise be meant for Jaleel. Still, he seems fun to root for.
The main roadblock to success IMO is not Javonte, and it's not the rookie Audric; it's Samaje. Perine is a great receiving back, and as long as he stays on the DEN roster, he will cannibalize touches that would otherwise be meant for Jaleel. Still, he seems fun to root for.
FantasyGuru24
Footballguy
The biggest problem with Jaleel is pass pro .. If he gets that down this summer then look out
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be aware that Cecil sees things that the coaches can't/won't acknowledge. So while Cecil is often correct, teams still do dumb stuff. JW is still likely to be the #1, even if he shouldn't. I would acquire McLaughlin, if you could... as well as Estime and Watson.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
That's the coach talking about Javonte.
I wouldn't listen to this clickbait writer too much. Jaleel needs to learn how to block.
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He's going to take a jump a this year and the key will be if Denver is using a primarily 2 or 3 man RBBC. I will be surprised if Jaleel and Javonte are not 2 of those 3 or two of those two. With as much as Payton likes to throw to RB's and Nix likes to dump it short the PPR pie could be large even if the offense is not great.
Comments from their OC in past day or two regarding his pass pro:
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Comments from their OC in past day or two regarding his pass pro:
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Birdie048
Footballguy
Underdog Network had a List of Sleepers ... and this was a surprise to me
So is this speculation that Perine will be released in August at cut down and Javonte & Jaleel will be RB1 & RB2? I don't see Audric Estime more than GL/Short Yardage or garbage time role in 2024
So is this speculation that Perine will be released in August at cut down and Javonte & Jaleel will be RB1 & RB2? I don't see Audric Estime more than GL/Short Yardage or garbage time role in 2024
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Is he 185 lbs? That doesn’t spell heavy workload to me.
Birdie048
Footballguy
Well, soon to be 29 yo Perine is listed at 5'10 and 235 lb and undrafted Jaleel at 5'7" and 186 lb so my guess is yes. But who knows if any of this is accurate.
The Javonte thread has an interesting article quoting Cecil Lammey: Stunning Broncos Report Emerges Around Javonte Williams
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I read that even before my post. Fact remains he’s undersized by a good amount.
Birdie048
Footballguy
I agree when you look at the rest of the RB room. Compared to Notre Dame product Audric Estime 5'11" 227 lb or UNC Tarheel Javonte 5'10" 220 lb
But even undersized, he does offer some appeal as a Sean Payton "gadget guy"....
socrates
Footballguy
I agree that McLaughlin is unlikely to secure a role as an every-down back in this crowded RB room. He goes down on first contact too easily to push aside thumpers like Perine and Estime. (I understand McLaughlin has added some strength, and he even played bigger than his size in college, but looking like the best back in camp before the pads are on does not convince me he is ready for a starting role at 185.) However, his "rightful place" could be as a significant part of a rotation and as the joker in Payton's offense, which could be a valuable role in PPR leagues. McLaughlin arguably brings an element to the offense that the other backs on the roster lack. Whether that earns him more than a scatback role is to be seen.
eighsse2
Footballguy
Does that imply he's experienced, capable of a heavy workload, and utilizable? Or that he's effectively 27 years old?
TheWinz
Footballguy
No, it doesn't imply he's capable of a heavy workload... it PROVES it! If he doesn't get alot of touches it won't be because he's too small.
metoo
Footballguy
Time will tell. We all have our opinions.
Two inaccuracies in that one little Estime part of that article.
1. Jaleel weighed 192 at his pro day. I believe most reports suggest he's bulked up, I've seen nothing to indicate he got smaller.
2. Estime was a 5th round draft pick, not a 4th.
jm192
Footballguy
He handled a big workload in the MVFC. I didn't watch his college games, but I'm betting he wasn't hit by many NFL defenders.
I think there is a lot more actually then how he's looked in padless practices.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
IDK, he looked pretty darn good running he ball last year during the season.It's sad to see Cecil just posting clickbait.x.com
The small speedy guy looks good with no pads and no defenders, that's it, nothing more.
massraider
Footballguy
It's fair to keep an eye on Javonte camp reports. If he is damaged goods, and he didn't look awesome last year, then Jaleel and Estime get more interesting.
But it looks like 3 guys competing for similar work, and Jaleel as the change of pace.
Fact is, if he's good as he looked last year, that's worth rostering.
But it looks like 3 guys competing for similar work, and Jaleel as the change of pace.
Fact is, if he's good as he looked last year, that's worth rostering.
TheWinz
Footballguy
Not a single college player has ever been hit by an NFL player. But Jaleel did have 107 touches as a rookie in the NFL, and since he only scored 3 times, I have to assume he was hit plenty by NFL players last year.
This is almost Joe Morris' height and weight of 5-7 190. Lil Joe was incredible. Defenders often said they couldn't find him looking thru the 6-4 300 pound linemen and he'd appear last second and call it gimmicky. Whatever, he was a darn good back in a Superbowl offense with a coach that loved running a predictable play to establish dominance.
Morris had huge thighs. MJD often talks about thighs so just mentioning that if you've heard his rants.
There's been a ton of small backs since him that haven't done as well or lasted long enough.
In fact, a lot of talented HS and college players don't get opportunities at the next level because they're too small with this BMI.
If you're banking on him, you're looking for him to be an extremely rare individual. That's fine, to each their own, but I would definitely recommend backing him up for FF
Morris had huge thighs. MJD often talks about thighs so just mentioning that if you've heard his rants.
There's been a ton of small backs since him that haven't done as well or lasted long enough.
In fact, a lot of talented HS and college players don't get opportunities at the next level because they're too small with this BMI.
If you're banking on him, you're looking for him to be an extremely rare individual. That's fine, to each their own, but I would definitely recommend backing him up for FF
jm192
Footballguy
Well…
You’re using his college workload to say he can handle a big NFL workload.
I don’t think that’s a valid argument. Being hit by college defenders aint the same as being hit by NFL defenders.
He wasn’t even being tackled by Power 5 defenders.
I just don’t find the “he was able to do it in the MVFC” as a compelling or convincing argument.
Surely we’re not calling 107 touches “a big workload.”
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