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LA Lakers Thread: Welcome Brandon Ingram! (1 Viewer)

Grades: Lakers add veteran leadership by signing Luol Deng (B)

http://www.si.com/nba/2016/07/02/free-agency-grades-luol-deng-los-angeles-lakers

Does adding Luol Deng make the Lakers a playoff team?

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/adding-luol-deng-make-lakers-playoff-team/story?id=40305128

Sources: Luol Deng agrees to $72M deal with Lakers

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--luol-deng-agrees-to--72m-deal-with-lakers-130642295.html

* Ingram will be the second youngest player in the NBA during the 2016 season (youngest a top 5 pick).

 
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Hard to dislike the Deng deal, as he is the perfect mentor for Ingram, right down to them both playing one year at Duke. But I don't like that the Lakers are going for veteran leaders over young players who have potential and can grow with the youth movement. We know Mozgov at 30 is never going to be anything more than a decent center, and that's if he can stay healthy, but Biyombo at 23 could still turn out to be an All-Star player. Hopefully now that they've got the two vets they'll at least get somebody with upside for their last big-money spot.

 
With Burke in Washington now I'd like to bring back Ramon Sessions to back up D'Angelo.  If not I'd even go after Andre Miller, I think Russ would learn from either one.

The key is to not tie up any future money.  We need to have the ability to create a max slot or two for upcoming off seasons.

 
JMon348 said:
With Burke in Washington now I'd like to bring back Ramon Sessions to back up D'Angelo.  If not I'd even go after Andre Miller, I think Russ would learn from either one.

The key is to not tie up any future money.  We need to have the ability to create a max slot or two for upcoming off seasons.
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I guess we need to wait and see how the Mozgof and Deng contracts are structured, but it sure seems like they ####ed that up with these signings. They needed to tank again this year and not take on bad long term contracts. I don't understand the money or duration of either of these contracts as it stands.

 
I hope to God Mozgov returns to his form from two years ago.  Cole Aldrich is looked upon as a similar skilled Center and he got 3/22.  I expected a similar deal for Moz, so Mitch/Jim/and reportedly Luke are directly tied to his performance.  If we get the Moz from his first year in Cleveland for the next two years than I'd say it's justified but if not they will be in for a lot of questions.

If someone like Biyombo, Ezeli, or Mahimi clearly out perform Mozgov even more scrutiny for our FO.

 
Gr00vus said:
I guess we need to wait and see how the Mozgof and Deng contracts are structured, but it sure seems like they ####ed that up with these signings. They needed to tank again this year and not take on bad long term contracts. I don't understand the money or duration of either of these contracts as it stands.
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Disagree with the "tanking again" strategy.  Need a winning culture with our young core in place.  

 
tommyGunZ said:
Disagree with the "tanking again" strategy.  Need a winning culture with our young core in place.  
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How do Deng and Mozgof equate to winning culture? You know what a winning culture would be? Having a top 3 pick and enough cap space for 2 max free agents next offseason.

 
Just with the improvement of the young players under Walton, the Lakers were never going to be bottom 3 this year. The tank is over. Just have to hope to get lucky in the lottery. But there's also no tanking this year because it would mean the jobs of Jimmy Buss and probably Kupchak. I'd like to look at these signings as bringing in veterans to help the young core develop, but it's more likely Buss and Kupchak chosing veterans (Mozgov) over younger players (Biyombo) in an attempt to make the playoffs this season and save their jobs.

 
Shrugs said:
Just with the improvement of the young players under Walton, the Lakers were never going to be bottom 3 this year. The tank is over. Just have to hope to get lucky in the lottery. But there's also no tanking this year because it would mean the jobs of Jimmy Buss and probably Kupchak. I'd like to look at these signings as bringing in veterans to help the young core develop, but it's more likely Buss and Kupchak chosing veterans (Mozgov) over younger players (Biyombo) in an attempt to make the playoffs this season and save their jobs.
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Playoffs?  More llike an attempt to win 30 games.

 
Shrugs said:
Hard to dislike the Deng deal, as he is the perfect mentor for Ingram, right down to them both playing one year at Duke. But I don't like that the Lakers are going for veteran leaders over young players who have potential and can grow with the youth movement. We know Mozgov at 30 is never going to be anything more than a decent center, and that's if he can stay healthy, but Biyombo at 23 could still turn out to be an All-Star player. Hopefully now that they've got the two vets they'll at least get somebody with upside for their last big-money spot.
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I do like that Deng and Mozgov are professionals who will (hopefully) help the young guys see how they need to go about their business, but those contracts are awfully long and rich for veteran leadership.  If Russell/Ingram/Randle still need that kind of mentoring in 2019-2020, then there will be much bigger problems in Lakerland.  Maybe four year deals are what the market is dictating, but then again, the Lakers kind of set the market with these deals.  I do not like how they didn't leave a max slot open going forward.  They can free up some money to get one, but that means creating a max slot is no longer 100% in the team's control.  If the deals were three years with fourth-year options for a little less money (enough for the Lakers to have a max slot), I would be a lot less annoyed by these deals.

 
The Kansas Comet said:
I do like that Deng and Mozgov are professionals who will (hopefully) help the young guys see how they need to go about their business, but those contracts are awfully long and rich for veteran leadership.  If Russell/Ingram/Randle still need that kind of mentoring in 2019-2020, then there will be much bigger problems in Lakerland.  Maybe four year deals are what the market is dictating, but then again, the Lakers kind of set the market with these deals.  I do not like how they didn't leave a max slot open going forward.  They can free up some money to get one, but that means creating a max slot is no longer 100% in the team's control.  If the deals were three years with fourth-year options for a little less money (enough for the Lakers to have a max slot), I would be a lot less annoyed by these deals.
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Unless I'm off, the Lakers still have room for a max slot next year, and can get to 2 slots if the cap is slightly higher and they can move a $7M Lou Williams in his last year.  

 
I think my numbers were missing Brandon Ingram's dough, since he hasn't thin ally signed yet.  So the Lakers can grab Westbrook next year, but probably not another Max FÃ unless they get really creative, or trade someone.  

 
2/$13m for Tarik Black

Really happy for him. From everything I hear/read he's a great guy. Wish Byron played him more. 

Interesting fact, Luke Walton was an assistant coach at Memphis when Black played there. 

 
What's the bridge too far that gets Jimmy fired? Anything? This latest rounds of free agent signings should have been it. Who did they think they were bidding against for these guys and what did they bring to the table that some other scrap heap clowns couldn't have brought?

 
FishTacoTuesday said:
Think you'll win half the games the Warriors win this year?  I'm gonna guess, no. 
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They're going to win just enough to lose their 1st rounder. Worst of all possible worlds.

Which teams in the league are the Lakers clearly better than though? I'm struggling to think of any. Maybe the Nets? I don't think I can say they're clearly better than the Kings or 76ers.

 
I'd say Lakers are a 30-win team, and I'm guessing that adding Durant won't give the Warriors 13 fewer wins. This season was always about the Lakers youth making progress, so that it will take luck in the lottery balls to keep the pick. But they will get that No. 1 pick, draft Josh Jackson, add Westbrook in FA, and say FU David Stern!

 
Shrugs said:
I'd say Lakers are a 30-win team, and I'm guessing that adding Durant won't give the Warriors 13 fewer wins. This season was always about the Lakers youth making progress, so that it will take luck in the lottery balls to keep the pick. But they will get that No. 1 pick, draft Josh Jackson, add Westbrook in FA, and say FU David Stern!
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I'll take the under.

 
Lakers get Calderon (1 year $7.7m) and 2 future 2nd rounders from the Bulls. 

Now this is the right way to use cap space  (finally) - get a solid vet on a relatively cheap expiring deal (which can easily be moved mid year if wanted), and pick a couple #assets as the price of doing business. 

Solid move. 

 
Yo Mama said:
Lakers get Calderon (1 year $7.7m) and 2 future 2nd rounders from the Bulls. 

Now this is the right way to use cap space  (finally) - get a solid vet on a relatively cheap expiring deal (which can easily be moved mid year if wanted), and pick a couple #assets as the price of doing business. 

Solid move. 
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Exactly.  Hoping for more of this.

 
So by my count the roster is looking like:

Russell, Calderon

Clarkson, Williams, Brown

Deng, Ingram (obviously this will flip at some point)

Randle, Nance

Mozgov, Black, Zubac

Saw somewhere on Twitter if Lakers waive/stretch Young, they'd have about $17m of cap space left - 2 spots open.

I'd like to see them get a 3/D wing (I like Harkless) and probably another big (hopefully one who can shoot from outside) with their last 2 spots.  Keeping a spot and cap space open to facilitate trades like the Calderon one would make sense too. 

 
Yo Mama said:
I'd like to see them get a 3/D wing (I like Harkless) and probably another big (hopefully one who can shoot from outside) with their last 2 spots.  Keeping a spot and cap space open to facilitate trades like the Calderon one would make sense too. 
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They shouldn't be signing anyone else to anything that commits the Lakers past the upcoming season. They shouldn't have signed Mozgof or Deng on these deals already, don't freeze up more cap space on guys with no future.

 
ICE IN HIS VEINS!

Been fun watching the kids at Summer League.  Zubac has some real potential as a rim protector.

 
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