LaCanfora: Teams putting out feelers for Nicks trade (1 Viewer)

[karmarooster]

I have said it before, but why does Detroit want another receiver that can't stay on the field? Not to mention they have no money to sign him long term. Suh will be due another contract, Fairley right after him and the left tackle (his name escapes me right now) as well. Not to mention the big contracts that Calvin and Stafford already have.

Lions have the following issues: Between Suh (9.17%), Calvin (7.67%), and Stafford (15.58%), they have a combined one-third of cap space tied up in 3 out of 53 guys.

 

[Spike]

Thing is would the Giants let him go for only a 3rd? I've read that they'd get a 3rd as compensatory pick if Nicks signs elsewhere in the off-season.

The comp pick wouldn't be awarded until 2015. It's a year removed.

Plus, aren't the compensatory picks after all the "team" picks in a round?

 

[RUSF18]

Thing is would the Giants let him go for only a 3rd? I've read that they'd get a 3rd as compensatory pick if Nicks signs elsewhere in the off-season.

The comp pick wouldn't be awarded until 2015. It's a year removed.

Plus, aren't the compensatory picks after all the "team" picks in a round?

Yep, starts at 3(33)...

 

[ShaHBucks]

I can't believe how poorly the Giants have handled Nicks, locking up Nicks and Cruz should have been priority number 1

It would be hard to win in this league paying that much for two receivers. Giants lost guys like Smith and Mario and never skipped a beat.

 

[LittlePhatty]

Nicks seems like a really old 25.

I wonder what the market value for him would be in a trade? 2nd? I have to think the Panthers would be really interested in him.

Not an Nicks owner, but I'd be greatly interested if he were heading to Carolina. I think he would be a great fit and possibly finish the season in a huge way if he were able to stay on the field.

Fantasy-wise I'd like Carolina too. And with Atlanta and Tampa Bay stinking it up, Carolina might convince themselves they have a shot at a wild card this year.

 

[TheCommish]

As a Rueben Randle owner in two leagues, I would like to see this happen.

 

[Phenix]

As a Rueben Randle owner in two leagues, I would like to see this happen.

Thanks for informing us.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Nicks seems like a really old 25.

I wonder what the market value for him would be in a trade? 2nd? I have to think the Panthers would be really interested in him.

Not an Nicks owner, but I'd be greatly interested if he were heading to Carolina. I think he would be a great fit and possibly finish the season in a huge way if he were able to stay on the field.

Fantasy-wise I'd like Carolina too. And with Atlanta and Tampa Bay stinking it up, Carolina might convince themselves they have a shot at a wild card this year.

I would hate Carolina. Cam Newton sucks. I'm hoping NE makes a move

 

[msudaisy26]

Nicks seems like a really old 25.

I wonder what the market value for him would be in a trade? 2nd? I have to think the Panthers would be really interested in him.

Not an Nicks owner, but I'd be greatly interested if he were heading to Carolina. I think he would be a great fit and possibly finish the season in a huge way if he were able to stay on the field.

Fantasy-wise I'd like Carolina too. And with Atlanta and Tampa Bay stinking it up, Carolina might convince themselves they have a shot at a wild card this year.

I would hate Carolina. Cam Newton sucks. I'm hoping NE makes a move

New England usually only makes these moves if it is cheap, I don't think they will get him cheap.

 

[Tau837]

Throw in the fact it's impossible to know what that comp pick will actually be as it's awarded based on contract, playing time, and post season accolades in addition to possibly being impacted by their own FA signings.

It's certainly not something they should be banking on if another viable deal is offered.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Nicks seems like a really old 25.

I wonder what the market value for him would be in a trade? 2nd? I have to think the Panthers would be really interested in him.

Not an Nicks owner, but I'd be greatly interested if he were heading to Carolina. I think he would be a great fit and possibly finish the season in a huge way if he were able to stay on the field.

Fantasy-wise I'd like Carolina too. And with Atlanta and Tampa Bay stinking it up, Carolina might convince themselves they have a shot at a wild card this year.

I would hate Carolina. Cam Newton sucks. I'm hoping NE makes a move

New England usually only makes these moves if it is cheap, I don't think they will get him cheap.

The usually have a #### load of draftpick. Nicks would be a ideal WR for NE.I wouldn't mind SD with the way Rivers is playing. He'd be a nice Floyd/DX replacement

 

[RBM]

Nicks seems like a really old 25.

I wonder what the market value for him would be in a trade? 2nd? I have to think the Panthers would be really interested in him.

Not an Nicks owner, but I'd be greatly interested if he were heading to Carolina. I think he would be a great fit and possibly finish the season in a huge way if he were able to stay on the field.

Fantasy-wise I'd like Carolina too. And with Atlanta and Tampa Bay stinking it up, Carolina might convince themselves they have a shot at a wild card this year.

I would hate Carolina. Cam Newton sucks. I'm hoping NE makes a move

New England usually only makes these moves if it is cheap, I don't think they will get him cheap.

The usually have a #### load of draftpick. Nicks would be a ideal WR for NE.I wouldn't mind SD with the way Rivers is playing. He'd be a nice Floyd/DX replacement

They have their replacement.

 

[meyerj31]

The usually have a #### load of draftpick. Nicks would be a ideal WR for NE.I wouldn't mind SD with the way Rivers is playing. He'd be a nice Floyd/DX replacement

How exactly is Nicks an ideal fit for NE? Because he's... a WR? Lol. Nice analysis, bro.

Nothing else besides his position tells me he's an "ideal fit" for what they are doing in New England. The mental side of his game has been one of his weakest attributes (in addition to his health).

The Pats aren't going to blow more picks on trading for another injury-prone WR.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Nicks seems like a really old 25.

I wonder what the market value for him would be in a trade? 2nd? I have to think the Panthers would be really interested in him.

Not an Nicks owner, but I'd be greatly interested if he were heading to Carolina. I think he would be a great fit and possibly finish the season in a huge way if he were able to stay on the field.

Fantasy-wise I'd like Carolina too. And with Atlanta and Tampa Bay stinking it up, Carolina might convince themselves they have a shot at a wild card this year.

I would hate Carolina. Cam Newton sucks. I'm hoping NE makes a move

New England usually only makes these moves if it is cheap, I don't think they will get him cheap.

The usually have a #### load of draftpick. Nicks would be a ideal WR for NE.I wouldn't mind SD with the way Rivers is playing. He'd be a nice Floyd/DX replacement

They have their replacement.

You see Brown and/or Allen as big jumpball/vertical threats like Floyd/DX/Nicks?

 

[Khy]

Nicks seems like a really old 25.

I wonder what the market value for him would be in a trade? 2nd? I have to think the Panthers would be really interested in him.

Not an Nicks owner, but I'd be greatly interested if he were heading to Carolina. I think he would be a great fit and possibly finish the season in a huge way if he were able to stay on the field.

Fantasy-wise I'd like Carolina too. And with Atlanta and Tampa Bay stinking it up, Carolina might convince themselves they have a shot at a wild card this year.

I would hate Carolina. Cam Newton sucks. I'm hoping NE makes a move

New England usually only makes these moves if it is cheap, I don't think they will get him cheap.

The usually have a #### load of draftpick. Nicks would be a ideal WR for NE.I wouldn't mind SD with the way Rivers is playing. He'd be a nice Floyd/DX replacement

They have their replacement.

You see Brown and/or Allen as big jumpball/vertical threats like Floyd/DX/Nicks?

Allen is definitely that type of threat, if you've watched all the SD games these last three weeks it's pretty clear. Allen is catching anything Rivers throws in his general direction, his catch radius is well above average. As are his hands, leaping and route running. He seemed to be open on almost every play the past two weeks and Rivers is starting to realize that.

 

[ShaHBucks]

The usually have a #### load of draftpick. Nicks would be a ideal WR for NE.I wouldn't mind SD with the way Rivers is playing. He'd be a nice Floyd/DX replacement

How exactly is Nicks an ideal fit for NE? Because he's... a WR? Lol. Nice analysis, bro.

Nothing else besides his position tells me he's an "ideal fit" for what they are doing in New England. The mental side of his game has been one of his weakest attributes (in addition to his health).

The Pats aren't going to blow more picks on trading for another injury-prone WR.

They have a team full of underneath/possession receivers. Nicks is not that type of receiver. Remember when Brady had Moss and Welker?

 

[ShaHBucks]

Nicks seems like a really old 25.

I wonder what the market value for him would be in a trade? 2nd? I have to think the Panthers would be really interested in him.

Not an Nicks owner, but I'd be greatly interested if he were heading to Carolina. I think he would be a great fit and possibly finish the season in a huge way if he were able to stay on the field.

Fantasy-wise I'd like Carolina too. And with Atlanta and Tampa Bay stinking it up, Carolina might convince themselves they have a shot at a wild card this year.

I would hate Carolina. Cam Newton sucks. I'm hoping NE makes a move

New England usually only makes these moves if it is cheap, I don't think they will get him cheap.

The usually have a #### load of draftpick. Nicks would be a ideal WR for NE.I wouldn't mind SD with the way Rivers is playing. He'd be a nice Floyd/DX replacement

They have their replacement.

You see Brown and/or Allen as big jumpball/vertical threats like Floyd/DX/Nicks?

Allen is definitely that type of threat, if you've watched all the SD games these last three weeks it's pretty clear. Allen is catching anything Rivers throws in his general direction, his catch radius is well above average. As are his hands, leaping and route running. He seemed to be open on almost every play the past two weeks and Rivers is starting to realize that.

I've seen plenty of Allen. I don't see him outmuscling anyone for the ball or coming down with jumpballs. He wins with a combination of rout running, great hands and Rivers. Nicks is a different breed. He could open up more options in the offense.

 

[LittlePhatty]

I would hate Carolina. Cam Newton sucks. I'm hoping NE makes a move

It's too crowded already in New England.

And there are QBs worse than Newton who throw enough to support a WR2/WR1.

 

[msudaisy26]

The usually have a #### load of draftpick. Nicks would be a ideal WR for NE.I wouldn't mind SD with the way Rivers is playing. He'd be a nice Floyd/DX replacement

How exactly is Nicks an ideal fit for NE? Because he's... a WR? Lol. Nice analysis, bro.

Nothing else besides his position tells me he's an "ideal fit" for what they are doing in New England. The mental side of his game has been one of his weakest attributes (in addition to his health).

The Pats aren't going to blow more picks on trading for another injury-prone WR.

They have a team full of underneath/possession receivers. Nicks is not that type of receiver. Remember when Brady had Moss and Welker?

Nicks isn't like Moss or Welker

 

[Scooby1974]

Chiefs make sense as well. pass it to the one good guy they DO have. Why add Nicks?

Alex Smith can't get the ball to the one good WR they do have, I'm not sure Nicks helps that problem much.

 

[Sabertooth]

Throw in the fact it's impossible to know what that comp pick will actually be as it's awarded based on contract, playing time, and post season accolades in addition to possibly being impacted by their own FA signings.

It's certainly not something they should be banking on if another viable deal is offered.

Great point. Teams are often disappointed with what they end up with for comp picks.

 

[Grahamburn]

I would hate Carolina. Cam Newton sucks. I'm hoping NE makes a move

It's too crowded already in New England.

And there are QBs worse than Newton who throw enough to support a WR2/WR1.

Crowded?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

San Fran. Has to be.

Didn't they inquire about Gordon?

 

[menobrown]

Throw in the fact it's impossible to know what that comp pick will actually be as it's awarded based on contract, playing time, and post season accolades in addition to possibly being impacted by their own FA signings.

It's certainly not something they should be banking on if another viable deal is offered.

Great point. Teams are often disappointed with what they end up with for comp picks.

Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN 8h

Myth-busting: The Giants do NOT get an automatic comp pick if Hakeem Nicks signs elsewhere. That's not how NFL comp picks work.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

So many teams could use a WR like Hakeem Nicks and the Giants don't seem like they are going anywhere this year and since Nicks is likely going to be lost in free agency it makes a lot of sense for him to be traded.

In the AFC the only teams that are in-it and could really use a boost at the receiver position are New England and Baltimore.

- New England Lots of drops that nearly cost them the win Sunday, injury to Amendola, their leading receiver is only averaging 10.02 yard a reception (Nicks 17.68 per catch). Don't see them making a serious run in the post season with the current WRs on the club. Never liked Amendola because he is injury prone and doesn't play, Nicks gets injured but he plays

- Baltimore they got nothing behind Torey Smith

- NY Jets is it the WRs or the QBs? Not sure acquiring a WR is the solution but they might be in play

- Cincinnati they have a few young guys, Sanu, Jones, but they also have, Gresham, Eifert, and AJ, so they are not hurting

- KC aren't using their wideouts now, doesn't seem to be a priority

- IND depends on how long they feel Wayne will play but if he's there then they seem ok at WR

- TEN Without Britt they are just ok so they might make a lo-ball offer

NFC

- Philly but they wouldn't trade within division if they had other offers

- Washington 'see above'

- Seattle I think they will get Harvin back but they could really use someone

- San Fran They get Crabtree back soon and already traded for Boldin

- Rams I think they have terrible WRs but they've invested a lot in drafting young guys so they'll probably stick it out

- Detroit they have made investements to find someone opposite Mega for years so why not trade?

- Pack don't seem to make moves even though they are in an injury bind, they are loaded at WR when healthy

- Carolina it was mentioned in the thread that he'd like to go there and Steve Smith is 34

- Atlanta 1-4 so they're out of it, even though Julio is out for awhile when he and Roddy are back they are fine at WR

It depends on what NY is asking and what teams are offering but it seems that the following teams would be most logical trading partners based on need and curernt playoff run.

NE, BAL, DET

But as mentioned Carolina is a team that didn't immediately come to mind but if Hakeem has any say in the matter then it is a logical landing spot.

Since Hakeem doesn't seem in the Giants plans I hope he lands in a good spot and it works out for everyone, Giants, Nicks, whatever team he may get traded to.

 

[LittlePhatty]

I would hate Carolina. Cam Newton sucks. I'm hoping NE makes a move

It's too crowded already in New England.

And there are QBs worse than Newton who throw enough to support a WR2/WR1.

Crowded?

You're absolutey right, I guess I was thinking long-term "when healthy", i.e. Gronk and Amendola in the mix, plus Dobson, Edelman, and Thompkins. But they could certainly use him right now.

 

[bweiser]

hope they trade him. i have reuben randle

 

[Liquid Tension]

Nicks seems like a really old 25.

I wonder what the market value for him would be in a trade? 2nd? I have to think the Panthers would be really interested in him.

Not an Nicks owner, but I'd be greatly interested if he were heading to Carolina. I think he would be a great fit and possibly finish the season in a huge way if he were able to stay on the field.

Fantasy-wise I'd like Carolina too. And with Atlanta and Tampa Bay stinking it up, Carolina might convince themselves they have a shot at a wild card this year.

I would hate Carolina. Cam Newton sucks. I'm hoping NE makes a move

New England usually only makes these moves if it is cheap, I don't think they will get him cheap.

NE gave Miami a 2nd round pick and a 7th for Welker and Welker was not that well known. Nicks has not played well this year, but normally, he has glue hands and a very long wing span. He is kind of like a Colston with a little more quickness/speed and not the height. I would also say that Brady could use some passing weapons and he isn't getting younger. They need to try and keep this team moving in the right direction because when Brady is gone, BB will not look like such a genius

 

[msudaisy26]

Nicks seems like a really old 25.

I wonder what the market value for him would be in a trade? 2nd? I have to think the Panthers would be really interested in him.

Not an Nicks owner, but I'd be greatly interested if he were heading to Carolina. I think he would be a great fit and possibly finish the season in a huge way if he were able to stay on the field.

Fantasy-wise I'd like Carolina too. And with Atlanta and Tampa Bay stinking it up, Carolina might convince themselves they have a shot at a wild card this year.

I would hate Carolina. Cam Newton sucks. I'm hoping NE makes a move

New England usually only makes these moves if it is cheap, I don't think they will get him cheap.

NE gave Miami a 2nd round pick and a 7th for Welker and Welker was not that well known. Nicks has not played well this year, but normally, he has glue hands and a very long wing span. He is kind of like a Colston with a little more quickness/speed and not the height. I would also say that Brady could use some passing weapons and he isn't getting younger. They need to try and keep this team moving in the right direction because when Brady is gone, BB will not look like such a genius

That wasn't in the middle of the year, neither was Moss, or Chad Johnson.

 

[Run It Up]

Nicks seems like a really old 25.

I wonder what the market value for him would be in a trade? 2nd? I have to think the Panthers would be really interested in him.

Not an Nicks owner, but I'd be greatly interested if he were heading to Carolina. I think he would be a great fit and possibly finish the season in a huge way if he were able to stay on the field.

Fantasy-wise I'd like Carolina too. And with Atlanta and Tampa Bay stinking it up, Carolina might convince themselves they have a shot at a wild card this year.

I would hate Carolina. Cam Newton sucks. I'm hoping NE makes a move

New England usually only makes these moves if it is cheap, I don't think they will get him cheap.

NE gave Miami a 2nd round pick and a 7th for Welker and Welker was not that well known. Nicks has not played well this year, but normally, he has glue hands and a very long wing span. He is kind of like a Colston with a little more quickness/speed and not the height. I would also say that Brady could use some passing weapons and he isn't getting younger. They need to try and keep this team moving in the right direction because when Brady is gone, BB will not look like such a genius

That wasn't in the middle of the year, neither was Moss, or Chad Johnson.

The difference is Nicks is worth more now than Moss, Welker or Ocho were when they were traded for.

 

[msudaisy26]

Nicks seems like a really old 25.

I wonder what the market value for him would be in a trade? 2nd? I have to think the Panthers would be really interested in him.

Not an Nicks owner, but I'd be greatly interested if he were heading to Carolina. I think he would be a great fit and possibly finish the season in a huge way if he were able to stay on the field.

Fantasy-wise I'd like Carolina too. And with Atlanta and Tampa Bay stinking it up, Carolina might convince themselves they have a shot at a wild card this year.

I would hate Carolina. Cam Newton sucks. I'm hoping NE makes a move

New England usually only makes these moves if it is cheap, I don't think they will get him cheap.

NE gave Miami a 2nd round pick and a 7th for Welker and Welker was not that well known. Nicks has not played well this year, but normally, he has glue hands and a very long wing span. He is kind of like a Colston with a little more quickness/speed and not the height. I would also say that Brady could use some passing weapons and he isn't getting younger. They need to try and keep this team moving in the right direction because when Brady is gone, BB will not look like such a genius

That wasn't in the middle of the year, neither was Moss, or Chad Johnson.

The difference is Nicks is worth more now than Moss, Welker or Ocho were when they were traded for.

Ya, but can he learn the Pats offense on the fly? Johnson never did. I doubt he was worth more then Moss, the Patriots just fleeced the Raiders for Moss and then got him motivated. If Nicks goes some where and even puts up 80 percent of the numbers Moss did in his first 3 years with New England then I will come back and apologize.

 

[tdhartis]

Is this still pure speculation or has there been any murmurs since this first got out? It seems like if it was going to happen this week, we would have heard more, and if it doesn't happen this week then it's likely not happening at all, right?

 

[msudaisy26]

Is this still pure speculation or has there been any murmurs since this first got out? It seems like if it was going to happen this week, we would have heard more, and if it doesn't happen this week then it's likely not happening at all, right?

I know the trade deadline is during week 8, but when exactly I am not sure.

 

[menobrown]

Is this still pure speculation or has there been any murmurs since this first got out? It seems like if it was going to happen this week, we would have heard more, and if it doesn't happen this week then it's likely not happening at all, right?

I know the trade deadline is during week 8, but when exactly I am not sure.

October 29 I believe so plenty of time.

 

[Run It Up]

Nicks seems like a really old 25.

I wonder what the market value for him would be in a trade? 2nd? I have to think the Panthers would be really interested in him.

Not an Nicks owner, but I'd be greatly interested if he were heading to Carolina. I think he would be a great fit and possibly finish the season in a huge way if he were able to stay on the field.

Fantasy-wise I'd like Carolina too. And with Atlanta and Tampa Bay stinking it up, Carolina might convince themselves they have a shot at a wild card this year.

I would hate Carolina. Cam Newton sucks. I'm hoping NE makes a move

New England usually only makes these moves if it is cheap, I don't think they will get him cheap.

NE gave Miami a 2nd round pick and a 7th for Welker and Welker was not that well known. Nicks has not played well this year, but normally, he has glue hands and a very long wing span. He is kind of like a Colston with a little more quickness/speed and not the height. I would also say that Brady could use some passing weapons and he isn't getting younger. They need to try and keep this team moving in the right direction because when Brady is gone, BB will not look like such a genius

That wasn't in the middle of the year, neither was Moss, or Chad Johnson.

The difference is Nicks is worth more now than Moss, Welker or Ocho were when they were traded for.

Ya, but can he learn the Pats offense on the fly? Johnson never did. I doubt he was worth more then Moss, the Patriots just fleeced the Raiders for Moss and then got him motivated. If Nicks goes some where and even puts up 80 percent of the numbers Moss did in his first 3 years with New England then I will come back and apologize.

Nicks is capable of that when thrown the ball, hes had some bad drops this year but he still looks like the same old Nicks, I have no reason to believe he has changed.

 

[smapdi]

It makes sense for the Giants to move him. They're pretty much out of the running already at 0-6. They have Cruz locked up and Randle seems to be developing nicely (who they used a high pick on). It would be wise of them to get something for Nicks instead of losing him for nothing. Comp picks are tricky business & the NFL uses a complicated formula to determine them. I would not count on that at all.

If I was Carolina's GM, I would be all over Nicks. They need to provide Newton more weapons so he can take that next step up. A 34 year old Steve Smith and Brandon LaFell just isn't good enough. Nicks could really elevate that offense & give Smith a lot more room to work with. Offer the Giants a 3rd rounder this year and maybe a mid rounder in 2015.

 

[pennystock]

Does anyone know how mid season trades for wide receivers have typically worked out? Trying to think of some good comparisons but all I remember is Randy Moss when he was on three different teams and sucked on all three. I would think learning a new system and establishing a rapport with your new QB could take a while. But that's not really based on any kind of study.

 

[msudaisy26]

Does anyone know how mid season trades for wide receivers have typically worked out? Trying to think of some good comparisons but all I remember is Randy Moss when he was on three different teams and sucked on all three. I would think learning a new system and establishing a rapport with your new QB could take a while. But that's not really based on any kind of study.

Recent ones I can remember

Brandon Lloyd did ok with the Rams

Deion Branch did great with the Patriots, but he did already know the system

 

[ShaHBucks]

NE, SF and Sea would make sense. I wouldn't trade for Nicks if I wasn't a legit contender. SD and KC should test the market. Bal could make a play. Det could be desperate. It might be too late for Hou. With Cruz locked up for the next 5 years at 7-9m I don't see how Nicks is a priority at 0-6. You can't have a 15m tied up on two receivers in todays NFL. The Giants should move him before he gets hurt again. This is like a Carmelo Anthony NFL scenario. You at risk of letting a player with lots of market value walk for nothing.

 

[Phenix]

hope they trade him. i have reuben randle

Cool

 

[Sweet Love]

I would hate Carolina. Cam Newton sucks. I'm hoping NE makes a move

It's too crowded already in New England.

And there are QBs worse than Newton who throw enough to support a WR2/WR1.

Crowded?

They do have the corner marketed with small white guys with concussion issues.

 

[Khy]

I would hate Carolina. Cam Newton sucks. I'm hoping NE makes a move

It's too crowded already in New England.

And there are QBs worse than Newton who throw enough to support a WR2/WR1.

Crowded?

They do have the corner marketed with small white guys with concussion issues.

 

[PatsWillWin]

NE, SF and Sea would make sense. I wouldn't trade for Nicks if I wasn't a legit contender. SD and KC should test the market. Bal could make a play. Det could be desperate. It might be too late for Hou. With Cruz locked up for the next 5 years at 7-9m I don't see how Nicks is a priority at 0-6. You can't have a 15m tied up on two receivers in todays NFL. The Giants should move him before he gets hurt again. This is like a Carmelo Anthony NFL scenario. You at risk of letting a player with lots of market value walk for nothing.

The problem with this line of thinking is that it always ignores the reality of the situation, which is that there are a lot of people, coaches, players, personnel people, etc., who are trying to keep their jobs. Teams are never very quick to "blow it up" because of this fact, regardless of their record. It's something fantasy owners ignore because we know we'll all be managing another fantasy team next year.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Nicks seems like a really old 25.

I wonder what the market value for him would be in a trade? 2nd? I have to think the Panthers would be really interested in him.

Not an Nicks owner, but I'd be greatly interested if he were heading to Carolina. I think he would be a great fit and possibly finish the season in a huge way if he were able to stay on the field.

Fantasy-wise I'd like Carolina too. And with Atlanta and Tampa Bay stinking it up, Carolina might convince themselves they have a shot at a wild card this year.

I would hate Carolina. Cam Newton sucks. I'm hoping NE makes a move

New England usually only makes these moves if it is cheap, I don't think they will get him cheap.

NE gave Miami a 2nd round pick and a 7th for Welker and Welker was not that well known. Nicks has not played well this year, but normally, he has glue hands and a very long wing span. He is kind of like a Colston with a little more quickness/speed and not the height. I would also say that Brady could use some passing weapons and he isn't getting younger. They need to try and keep this team moving in the right direction because when Brady is gone, BB will not look like such a genius

That wasn't in the middle of the year, neither was Moss, or Chad Johnson.

The difference is Nicks is worth more now than Moss, Welker or Ocho were when they were traded for.

Ya, but can he learn the Pats offense on the fly? Johnson never did. I doubt he was worth more then Moss, the Patriots just fleeced the Raiders for Moss and then got him motivated. If Nicks goes some where and even puts up 80 percent of the numbers Moss did in his first 3 years with New England then I will come back and apologize.

I think the last thing the Patriots need right now is to start over with another WR. Even one who would be a significant upgrade with them, if/when he learns the system and gets on the same brain-page as Brady. That's a really important, big, "if."

 

[ShaHBucks]

NE, SF and Sea would make sense. I wouldn't trade for Nicks if I wasn't a legit contender. SD and KC should test the market. Bal could make a play. Det could be desperate. It might be too late for Hou. With Cruz locked up for the next 5 years at 7-9m I don't see how Nicks is a priority at 0-6. You can't have a 15m tied up on two receivers in todays NFL. The Giants should move him before he gets hurt again. This is like a Carmelo Anthony NFL scenario. You at risk of letting a player with lots of market value walk for nothing.

The problem with this line of thinking is that it always ignores the reality of the situation, which is that there are a lot of people, coaches, players, personnel people, etc., who are trying to keep their jobs. Teams are never very quick to "blow it up" because of this fact, regardless of their record. It's something fantasy owners ignore because we know we'll all be managing another fantasy team next year.

I don't think trading Nicks would mean your "blowing up" the team. The Giants have let WRs go in the past without much of a problem. I spoke more from a economic standpoint than like a fantasy owner. With tenths of a chance of a playoff birth at 0-6 what would you do with Nicks? What's best for the team next season? He's not going to be a offseason priority for NY. It's not a Welker or Jennings situation where a championship could be on the line. The second Nicks foot causes him a game you get nothing in return for 2014 for all of your rah rah effort. That would be stupid.

 

[Sweet Love]

Does anyone know how mid season trades for wide receivers have typically worked out? Trying to think of some good comparisons but all I remember is Randy Moss when he was on three different teams and sucked on all three. I would think learning a new system and establishing a rapport with your new QB could take a while. But that's not really based on any kind of study.

It is not pretty...Chase Stuart wrote a blog about it in 2009 on PFR in the wake of the Braylon Edwards deal (and he actually did OK with his switch), but up until 2009, only Chris Chambers, Eddie Kennison and Antonio Bryant played adequately (or equal to what they were doing previously) after the switch.

I swear since 2009, there have been one or two guys that did OK, but it is slipping me...here is a link to the article.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=4171

 

[PatsWillWin]

NE, SF and Sea would make sense. I wouldn't trade for Nicks if I wasn't a legit contender. SD and KC should test the market. Bal could make a play. Det could be desperate. It might be too late for Hou. With Cruz locked up for the next 5 years at 7-9m I don't see how Nicks is a priority at 0-6. You can't have a 15m tied up on two receivers in todays NFL. The Giants should move him before he gets hurt again. This is like a Carmelo Anthony NFL scenario. You at risk of letting a player with lots of market value walk for nothing.

The problem with this line of thinking is that it always ignores the reality of the situation, which is that there are a lot of people, coaches, players, personnel people, etc., who are trying to keep their jobs. Teams are never very quick to "blow it up" because of this fact, regardless of their record. It's something fantasy owners ignore because we know we'll all be managing another fantasy team next year.

I don't think trading Nicks would mean your "blowing up" the team. The Giants have let WRs go in the past without much of a problem.I spoke more from a economic standpoint than like a fantasy owner. With tenths of a chance of a playoff birth at 0-6 what would you do with Nicks? What's best for the team next season? He's not going to be a offseason priority for NY. It's not a Welker or Jennings situation where a championship could be on the line. The second Nicks foot causes him a game you get nothing in return for 2014 for all of your rah rah effort. That would be stupid.

I don't think the people who would be involved with this decision give a hoot about economics. Even if they're going to let him go in the off-season, going on a run and finishing 6-10 is better than finishing 3-13. Nicks doesn't equal that difference himself of course, but the point is, that's going to be the motivation. This ain't the MLB.

 

[ShaHBucks]

NE, SF and Sea would make sense. I wouldn't trade for Nicks if I wasn't a legit contender. SD and KC should test the market. Bal could make a play. Det could be desperate. It might be too late for Hou. With Cruz locked up for the next 5 years at 7-9m I don't see how Nicks is a priority at 0-6. You can't have a 15m tied up on two receivers in todays NFL. The Giants should move him before he gets hurt again. This is like a Carmelo Anthony NFL scenario. You at risk of letting a player with lots of market value walk for nothing.

The problem with this line of thinking is that it always ignores the reality of the situation, which is that there are a lot of people, coaches, players, personnel people, etc., who are trying to keep their jobs. Teams are never very quick to "blow it up" because of this fact, regardless of their record. It's something fantasy owners ignore because we know we'll all be managing another fantasy team next year.

I don't think trading Nicks would mean your "blowing up" the team. The Giants have let WRs go in the past without much of a problem.I spoke more from a economic standpoint than like a fantasy owner. With tenths of a chance of a playoff birth at 0-6 what would you do with Nicks? What's best for the team next season? He's not going to be a offseason priority for NY. It's not a Welker or Jennings situation where a championship could be on the line. The second Nicks foot causes him a game you get nothing in return for 2014 for all of your rah rah effort. That would be stupid.

don't think the people who would be involved with this decision give a hoot about economics. Even if they're going to let him go in the off-season, going on a run and finishing 6-10 is better than finishing 3-13. Nicks doesn't equal that difference himself of course, but the point is, that's going to be the motivation. This ain't the MLB.

You do realize they are running a business right?

 

[pennystock]

Does anyone know how mid season trades for wide receivers have typically worked out? Trying to think of some good comparisons but all I remember is Randy Moss when he was on three different teams and sucked on all three. I would think learning a new system and establishing a rapport with your new QB could take a while. But that's not really based on any kind of study.

It is not pretty...Chase Stuart wrote a blog about it in 2009 on PFR in the wake of the Braylon Edwards deal (and he actually did OK with his switch), but up until 2009, only Chris Chambers, Eddie Kennison and Antonio Bryant played adequately (or equal to what they were doing previously) after the switch.

I swear since 2009, there have been one or two guys that did OK, but it is slipping me...here is a link to the article.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=4171

Thanks. I like Nicks, have watched him play for years as a Giants fan. But if you have other decent options at WR, at least in my opinion I'd try to deal him if he gets traded. Let someone else take the risk.

 

[domvin]

Does anyone know how mid season trades for wide receivers have typically worked out? Trying to think of some good comparisons but all I remember is Randy Moss when he was on three different teams and sucked on all three. I would think learning a new system and establishing a rapport with your new QB could take a while. But that's not really based on any kind of study.

It is not pretty...Chase Stuart wrote a blog about it in 2009 on PFR in the wake of the Braylon Edwards deal (and he actually did OK with his switch), but up until 2009, only Chris Chambers, Eddie Kennison and Antonio Bryant played adequately (or equal to what they were doing previously) after the switch.

I swear since 2009, there have been one or two guys that did OK, but it is slipping me...here is a link to the article.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=4171

Thanks. I like Nicks, have watched him play for years as a Giants fan. But if you have other decent options at WR, at least in my opinion I'd try to deal him if he gets traded. Let someone else take the risk.

Yep

I had the chance to watch him play against the Bears, and he is just not healthy. His gait is off when he's running, and he's constantly protecting his knee.

Add in the fact, that it's a free agent year and to me it's obvious, he is not playing to make plays, he's playing to stay healthy and cash in. Can't say I blame him given his history