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LaDainian Tomlinson retires. (1 Viewer)

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Tomlinson to call it quits after 11 NFL seasons

By BERNIE WILSON - AP Sports Writer

2012-06-17 13:18

SAN DIEGO (AP) - LaDainian Tomlinson's brilliant NFL career will officially end when he ceremoniously rejoins the San Diego Chargers for a day.

The Chargers said Sunday that Tomlinson, who was the NFL MVP in 2006 with San Diego and is the fifth-leading rusher in league history, will re-sign with the team on Monday and then announce his retirement.

Tomlinson was drafted in the first round by San Diego in 2001 and became one of the biggest stars in team history, helping revive the Chargers after the devastating Ryan Leaf years and turning them into a force in the AFC West. He spent the first nine years of his career in San Diego. He played the last two seasons with the New York Jets.

Tomlinson won the MVP in '06, when he set NFL single-season records with 31 touchdowns, including 28 rushing, and 186 points. He ran for a career-high 1,815 yards that year, giving him the first of two straight league rushing titles.

Tomlinson finishes his career with 13,684 yards and 145 touchdowns.

Tomlinson spoke at the public memorial service for Junior Seau on May 11, drawing the biggest cheers of the night.

Perhaps his most memorable moment with the Chargers came on Dec. 10, 2006, when he swept into the end zone late in a game against the Denver Broncos for his third touchdown of the afternoon to break Shaun Alexander's year-old record of 28 touchdowns.

His linemen hoisted him onto their shoulders and carried him toward the sideline, with Tomlinson holding the ball high in his right hand and waving his left index finger, while the fans chanted ``L.T.! L.T.!'' and ``MVP! MVP!''

When the Chargers released him in February 2010, quarterback Philip Rivers said: ``I had the best view in the house on some of those awesome runs he made.''

Tomlinson had said recently that he might continue his career if the right opportunity was available. Some fans hoped the Chargers would bring back Tomlinson as a third-down back, but that appeared impossible as long as general manager A.J. Smith was in control.

Tomlinson had a less-than-smooth separation from the Chargers. The slashing, dazzling runs came less frequently and Tomlinson was slowing down because of injuries and age. He became less and less the face of the franchise as his role was reduced in a pass-happy offense. The Chargers would have been on the hook for a $2 million roster bonus, along with a $5 million salary.

Days after his release from the Chargers, Tomlinson held a tearful news conference at the suburban country club where he and his wife lived.

L.T. also had a public tiff with Smith.

A year before the Chargers released Tomlinson, Smith came under fire for mocking a statement Tomlinson made about wanting to stay in San Diego.

Tomlinson's squeaky-clean image took a hit during the AFC championship game loss at New England in January 2008. Forced out early with a sprained knee, Tomlinson watched glumly from the sideline, huddled in a parka and his face hidden behind the tinted visor on his helmet.

The Chargers were less than truthful in giving an overly optimistic prognosis about his injury during the game, announcing that he had a ``sore knee and can return.'' That caused fans and commentators to question his toughness.

Tomlinson said afterward that it was obvious he couldn't play. Coach Norv Turner got miffed when a reporter asked what Rivers and Antonio Gates should think when they played hurt but Tomlinson didn't.

``That's the stupidest thing you could ask,'' Turner said. ``The guy was not able to go. The doctors and trainers said he couldn't go.''

Burned by that experience, Tomlinson - always the most brutally honest employee in the Chargers' organization - was forthright with the media when he sustained a serious groin injury in the 2008 regular-season finale. Tomlinson's honesty caused Smith to bristle.

That groin injury sidelined Tomlinson in a divisional-round playoff loss to Pittsburgh, the first time he missed a game due to injury in his pro career. He had been slowed earlier that season by a toe injury.

He sprained his right ankle in the 2009 season opener against Oakland and missed the next two games.

He ran for 914 yards in 2010 with the Jets, but carried only 75 times for 280 yards last season, playing mostly on passing downs.
 
Code:
1. 	Emmitt Smith+ 	18,355 	 1990-2004  	2TM2. 	Walter Payton+ 	16,726 	 1975-1987  	chi3. 	Barry Sanders+ 	15,269 	 1989-1998  	det4. 	Curtis Martin+ 	14,101 	 1995-2005  	2TM5. >>>	LaDain Tomlinson 13,684  2001-2011  	2TM6. 	Jerome Bettis 	13,662 	 1993-2005  	2TM7. 	Eric Dickerson+ 13,259 	 1983-1993  	4TM8. 	Tony Dorsett+ 	12,739 	 1977-1988  	2TM9. 	Jim Brown+ 	12,312 	 1957-1965  	cle10. 	Marshall Faulk+ 12,279 	 1994-2005  	2TM11. 	Edgerrin James 	12,246 	 1999-2009  	3TM12. 	Marcus Allen+ 	12,243 	 1982-1997  	2TM13. 	Franco Harris+ 	12,120 	 1972-1984  	2TM14. 	Thurman Thomas+ 12,074 	 1988-2000  	2TM15. 	Fred Taylor 	11,695 	 1998-2010  	2TM16. 	John Riggins+ 	11,352 	 1971-1985  	2TM17. 	Corey Dillon 	11,241 	 1997-2006  	2TM18. 	O.J. Simpson+ 	11,236 	 1969-1979  	2TM19. 	Warrick Dunn 	10,967 	 1997-2008  	2TM20. 	Ricky Watters 	10,643 	 1992-2001  	3TM
 
Code:
1. 	Emmitt Smith+ 	18,355 	 1990-2004  	2TM2. 	Walter Payton+ 	16,726 	 1975-1987  	chi3. 	Barry Sanders+ 	15,269 	 1989-1998  	det4. 	Curtis Martin+ 	14,101 	 1995-2005  	2TM5. >>>	LaDain Tomlinson 13,684  2001-2011  	2TM6. 	Jerome Bettis 	13,662 	 1993-2005  	2TM7. 	Eric Dickerson+ 13,259 	 1983-1993  	4TM8. 	Tony Dorsett+ 	12,739 	 1977-1988  	2TM9. 	Jim Brown+ 	12,312 	 1957-1965  	cle10. 	Marshall Faulk+ 12,279 	 1994-2005  	2TM11. 	Edgerrin James 	12,246 	 1999-2009  	3TM12. 	Marcus Allen+ 	12,243 	 1982-1997  	2TM13. 	Franco Harris+ 	12,120 	 1972-1984  	2TM14. 	Thurman Thomas+ 12,074 	 1988-2000  	2TM15. 	Fred Taylor 	11,695 	 1998-2010  	2TM16. 	John Riggins+ 	11,352 	 1971-1985  	2TM17. 	Corey Dillon 	11,241 	 1997-2006  	2TM18. 	O.J. Simpson+ 	11,236 	 1969-1979  	2TM19. 	Warrick Dunn 	10,967 	 1997-2008  	2TM20. 	Ricky Watters 	10,643 	 1992-2001  	3TM
If the list included total yards from scrimmage and touchdowns it would better represent his greatness. I'll always be grateful for all the memories.
 
I think my favorite player to watch, ever. Well, Barry maybe, but LT had the emotional backing of me living in SD so it was a more personal experience. Dude was drafted to a terrible team and while they were still terrible and he could've gone anywhere when his rookie contract was up, he signed an 8 year deal. Sure he's had some gaffes, some bad moments, but for the most part he was pure class. I got to see him at the Murph many, many times and loved every one of them. I'm glad he and Smith had enough love for the fans and the team to agree on this deal. Smith may not let it happen, but they should retire his number. I don't think even Fouts, Seau, or Winslow did more for the team than LT. Him staying in SD let them come back to prominence (though not fruition) after the team was utterly destroyed by all they gave up to get the disaster that was Leaf. I still think the Chargers would've won a SB with Brees and LT...

Wish he could hang out with Seau at the beach.

eta: I'm too lazy to look it up, but I think he was 8/9 in completions with 7TDs (at one point he was 7/7/7 iirc). Possibly my favorite career stat ever.

 
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If the list included total yards from scrimmage and touchdowns it would better represent his greatness. I'll always be grateful for all the memories.
He's actually still 5th in yards from scrimmage (4th amongst RBs). He jumps Sanders and Martin but Rice and Faulk jump him.3rd in all-time TDs and 2nd among RBs (behind only Emmitt).
 
I'm not a SD fan but whenever they were on I was more than happy to watch his greatness. Just an absolute terror.

 
Makes me sad. But we all knew this day was coming. Barry Sanders is my all-time favorite player (Lions fan, so no surprise there), but LT would

be my next favorite. I always wished LT would escape Barry's fate, and get a Super Bowl ring, but sadly he didn't... :(

 
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Never had the pleasure of having him on any of my teams but he was sure fun to watch.

The one league I could have had him, I drafted Michael Bennett instead.

 
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Running backs I would take over LT to win one big game.

Definitely

Jim Brown

Walter Payton

Barry Sanders

Earl Campbell

Marshall Faulk

Possibly

Gale Sayers

Emmitt Smith

O.J. Simpson

Thurman Thomas

Eric Dickerson

Close, but no cigar

Marcus Allen

Tony Dorsett

Adrian Peterson

Any objections?

 
Running backs I would take over LT to win one big game.

Definitely

Jim Brown

Walter Payton

Barry Sanders

Earl Campbell

Marshall Faulk

Possibly

Gale Sayers

Emmitt Smith

O.J. Simpson

Thurman Thomas

Eric Dickerson

Close, but no cigar

Marcus Allen

Tony Dorsett

Adrian Peterson

Any objections?
You must have missed all of Barry Sanders negative runs, and he was held to -2 in a playoff game. Barry had uber talent, but LT IMO was a more complete back and a better guy to get ya those yards when you needed it, I watched both players play just about every single snap they played

 
Running backs I would take over LT to win one big game.

Definitely

Jim Brown

Walter Payton

Barry Sanders

Earl Campbell

Marshall Faulk

Possibly

Gale Sayers

Emmitt Smith

O.J. Simpson

Thurman Thomas

Eric Dickerson

Close, but no cigar

Marcus Allen

Tony Dorsett

Adrian Peterson

Any objections?
You must have missed all of Barry Sanders negative runs, and he was held to -2 in a playoff game. Barry had uber talent, but LT IMO was a more complete back and a better guy to get ya those yards when you needed it, I watched both players play just about every single snap they played
I also missed the playoff game that Rivers toughed out an injury while LT sulked on the sidelines wearing a cape.
 
Running backs I would take over LT to win one big game.

Definitely

Jim Brown

Walter Payton

Barry Sanders

Earl Campbell

Marshall Faulk

Possibly

Gale Sayers

Emmitt Smith

O.J. Simpson

Thurman Thomas

Eric Dickerson

Close, but no cigar

Marcus Allen

Tony Dorsett

Adrian Peterson

Any objections?
You must have missed all of Barry Sanders negative runs, and he was held to -2 in a playoff game. Barry had uber talent, but LT IMO was a more complete back and a better guy to get ya those yards when you needed it, I watched both players play just about every single snap they played
I also missed the playoff game that Rivers toughed out an injury while LT sulked on the sidelines wearing a cape.
you really think a RB can play with a torn knee ligament?
 
Running backs I would take over LT to win one big game.

Definitely

Jim Brown

Walter Payton

Barry Sanders

Earl Campbell

Marshall Faulk

Possibly

Gale Sayers

Emmitt Smith

O.J. Simpson

Thurman Thomas

Eric Dickerson

Close, but no cigar

Marcus Allen

Tony Dorsett

Adrian Peterson

Any objections?
You must have missed all of Barry Sanders negative runs, and he was held to -2 in a playoff game. Barry had uber talent, but LT IMO was a more complete back and a better guy to get ya those yards when you needed it, I watched both players play just about every single snap they played
I also missed the playoff game that Rivers toughed out an injury while LT sulked on the sidelines wearing a cape.
you really think a RB can play with a torn knee ligament?
Guess I just found it funny that of all the guys I listed, Barry is the one you have a problem with.Arguably the 2nd-best RB ever. It's not like I was insulting LT.

 
Running backs I would take over LT to win one big game.

Definitely

Jim Brown

Walter Payton

Barry Sanders

Earl Campbell

Marshall Faulk

Possibly

Gale Sayers

Emmitt Smith

O.J. Simpson

Thurman Thomas

Eric Dickerson

Close, but no cigar

Marcus Allen

Tony Dorsett

Adrian Peterson

Any objections?
You must have missed all of Barry Sanders negative runs, and he was held to -2 in a playoff game. Barry had uber talent, but LT IMO was a more complete back and a better guy to get ya those yards when you needed it, I watched both players play just about every single snap they played
I also missed the playoff game that Rivers toughed out an injury while LT sulked on the sidelines wearing a cape.
you really think a RB can play with a torn knee ligament?
Guess I just found it funny that of all the guys I listed, Barry is the one you have a problem with.Arguably the 2nd-best RB ever. It's not like I was insulting LT.
you were speaking in the context of winning a game. Barry as great as he was, was very limited in actullay pouding out wins, the guy was a terrific RB, a human highlight film but that was also his achilles heel, he walways tried for the big run, always, would never help sustain drives and often put his team in bad situations.

great player no doubt, but a very selfish and un-team like guy and talk about quitting on ur team, just walked away post-draft post-fa.

 
Running backs I would take over LT to win one big game.

Definitely

Jim Brown

Walter Payton

Barry Sanders

Earl Campbell

Marshall Faulk

Possibly

Gale Sayers

Emmitt Smith

O.J. Simpson

Thurman Thomas

Eric Dickerson

Close, but no cigar

Marcus Allen

Tony Dorsett

Adrian Peterson

Any objections?
Thurman Thomas is my all time favorite player, and I got into football watching the Bills of the 90's. But man that superbowl game where he fumbled 4 times. FOUR FK'ING TIMES! No thanks.
 
Running backs I would take over LT to win one big game.

Definitely

Jim Brown

Walter Payton

Barry Sanders

Earl Campbell

Marshall Faulk

Possibly

Gale Sayers

Emmitt Smith

O.J. Simpson

Thurman Thomas

Eric Dickerson

Close, but no cigar

Marcus Allen

Tony Dorsett

Adrian Peterson

Any objections?
You must have missed all of Barry Sanders negative runs, and he was held to -2 in a playoff game. Barry had uber talent, but LT IMO was a more complete back and a better guy to get ya those yards when you needed it, I watched both players play just about every single snap they played
I also missed the playoff game that Rivers toughed out an injury while LT sulked on the sidelines wearing a cape.
you really think a RB can play with a torn knee ligament?
Guess I just found it funny that of all the guys I listed, Barry is the one you have a problem with.Arguably the 2nd-best RB ever. It's not like I was insulting LT.
you were speaking in the context of winning a game. Barry as great as he was, was very limited in actullay pouding out wins, the guy was a terrific RB, a human highlight film but that was also his achilles heel, he walways tried for the big run, always, would never help sustain drives and often put his team in bad situations.

great player no doubt, but a very selfish and un-team like guy and talk about quitting on ur team, just walked away post-draft post-fa.
Gotcha. But it's not like LT was winning Super Bowl after Super Bowl, either.And IIRC, the ligament was sprained, not torn. I remember him catching hell for not giving it a go vs. NE.

 
Running backs I would take over LT to win one big game.

Definitely

Jim Brown

Walter Payton

Barry Sanders

Earl Campbell

Marshall Faulk
Earl Campbell's teams were 3-3 in playoff games. He averaged 3.11 YPC in those games and scored just 4 TDs. Basically, in 6 playoff games he had one good one, 27/118/1 in a win over New England in 1978.
 
Running backs I would take over LT to win one big game.

Definitely

Jim Brown

Walter Payton

Barry Sanders

Earl Campbell

Marshall Faulk
Earl Campbell's teams were 3-3 in playoff games. He averaged 3.11 YPC in those games and scored just 4 TDs. Basically, in 6 playoff games he had one good one, 27/118/1 in a win over New England in 1978.
Walter Payton was just as bad. 4-5 in playoff games. 3.51 a carry.

Two playoff TDs, both in WC loss to Eagles in '79.

One game over 100 yards.

... and Earl got the late 70s Steelers and Oakland for 1/2 of his playoff games. Those are his 3 losses, against 3 straight Super Bowl winners.

 
Running backs I would take over LT to win one big game.

Definitely

Jim Brown

Walter Payton

Barry Sanders

Earl Campbell

Marshall Faulk
Earl Campbell's teams were 3-3 in playoff games. He averaged 3.11 YPC in those games and scored just 4 TDs. Basically, in 6 playoff games he had one good one, 27/118/1 in a win over New England in 1978.
Walter Payton was just as bad.
There are ten other guys on offense, fellas.By "running backs I would take over LT", I meant with everything else being equal... meaning every RB has to play with the same other ten guys, that would be my personal list. But that also goes a long way to determining which back you want. If you have a huge, nasty, road-grading OL and a great in-line blocking TE, I would look at Brown or Campbell in that scenario. But if you had more of a West Coast offense where the guards are versatile and you value a short passing game, I would look at Sanders, Faulk and LT to compliment that personnel.

(Payton would be great in any era... with any offense, which speaks a lot to how magnificent he was.)

Again, considering the five guys I would definitely pick ahead of LT are all legends, it's not meant to disrespect the guy at all. Being the 6th-best RB in the HISTORY of the game (in my eyes, anyway) is a pretty damn great feat.

 
Running backs I would take over LT to win one big game.

Definitely

Jim Brown

Walter Payton

Barry Sanders

Earl Campbell

Marshall Faulk
Earl Campbell's teams were 3-3 in playoff games. He averaged 3.11 YPC in those games and scored just 4 TDs. Basically, in 6 playoff games he had one good one, 27/118/1 in a win over New England in 1978.
Walter Payton was just as bad.
There are ten other guys on offense, fellas.
I agree, I was merely pointing out that Earl shouldn't be "knocked" for getting pummeled by those Steeler and Raider teams. I used Walter for the comparison because he is considered the greatest RB by some people, and played around the same time.
 
Running backs I would take over LT to win one big game.

Definitely

Jim Brown

Walter Payton

Barry Sanders

Earl Campbell

Marshall Faulk
Earl Campbell's teams were 3-3 in playoff games. He averaged 3.11 YPC in those games and scored just 4 TDs. Basically, in 6 playoff games he had one good one, 27/118/1 in a win over New England in 1978.
Walter Payton was just as bad.
There are ten other guys on offense, fellas.
I agree, I was merely pointing out that Earl shouldn't be "knocked" for getting pummeled by those Steeler and Raider teams. I used Walter for the comparison because he is considered the greatest RB by some people, and played around the same time.
:thumbup:
 
Continuing the "Best Ever" discussion, here are the RBs who are currently in the Hall of Fame:

Marcus Allen (RB) 1982-1997

Jim Brown (FB) 1957-1965

Earl Campbell (RB) 1978-1985

Larry Csonka (FB) 1968-1979

Eric Dickerson (RB) 1983-1993

Tony Dorsett (RB) 1977-1988

Marshall Faulk (RB) 1994-2005

Frank Gifford (HB-FL) 1952-1960, 1962-1964

Franco Harris (RB) 1972-1984

Paul Hornung (HB) 1957-1962, 1964-1966

John Henry Johnson (FB) 1954-1966

Leroy Kelly (RB) 1964-1973

Floyd Little (RB) 1967-1975

Curtis Martin (RB) 1995-2005

Ollie Matson (HB) 1952, 1954-1966

Hugh McElhenny (HB) 1952-1964

Lenny Moore (HB) 1956-1967

Marion Motley (FB) 1946-1953, 1955

Walter Payton (RB) 1975-1987

Joe Perry (FB) 1948-1963

John Riggins (RB) 1971-1979, 1981-1985

Barry Sanders (RB) 1989-1998

Gale Sayers (HB) 1965-1971

O.J. Simpson (RB) 1969-1979

Emmitt Smith 1990-2004

Jim Taylor (FB) 1958-1967

Thurman Thomas 1988-2000

Charley Trippi (HB) 1947-1955

Doak Walker (HB) 1950-1955

I don't want to slight the guys who played prior to the 60s, but having not seen them personally, I have no idea how they would stack up to the other men I listed. I'm pretty sure nobody would have stopped Marion Motley from the 1-yard line in any era, but it's hard to speak to where that group of players fit in. Maybe our resident historians like Drinen and Chase can weigh in. :shrug:

 
Running backs I would take over LT to win one big game.

Definitely

Jim Brown

Walter Payton

Barry Sanders

Earl Campbell

Marshall Faulk
Earl Campbell's teams were 3-3 in playoff games. He averaged 3.11 YPC in those games and scored just 4 TDs. Basically, in 6 playoff games he had one good one, 27/118/1 in a win over New England in 1978.
Walter Payton was just as bad.
There are ten other guys on offense, fellas.By "running backs I would take over LT", I meant with everything else being equal... meaning every RB has to play with the same other ten guys, that would be my personal list. But that also goes a long way to determining which back you want. If you have a huge, nasty, road-grading OL and a great in-line blocking TE, I would look at Brown or Campbell in that scenario. But if you had more of a West Coast offense where the guards are versatile and you value a short passing game, I would look at Sanders, Faulk and LT to compliment that personnel.

(Payton would be great in any era... with any offense, which speaks a lot to how magnificent he was.)

Again, considering the five guys I would definitely pick ahead of LT are all legends, it's not meant to disrespect the guy at all. Being the 6th-best RB in the HISTORY of the game (in my eyes, anyway) is a pretty damn great feat.
LT was better than Faulk, Sanders, and Campbell, IMO. I think Brown and Sweetness were better backs. I'd put LT 3rd all time. As frustrating as it was seeing LT on the sidelines at NE in '07, as a Charger fan I'd much rather have had a healthy 100% Michael Turner out there than a gimpy LT.

 
Running backs I would take over LT to win one big game.

Definitely

Jim Brown

Walter Payton

Barry Sanders

Earl Campbell

Marshall Faulk
Earl Campbell's teams were 3-3 in playoff games. He averaged 3.11 YPC in those games and scored just 4 TDs. Basically, in 6 playoff games he had one good one, 27/118/1 in a win over New England in 1978.
Walter Payton was just as bad.
There are ten other guys on offense, fellas.By "running backs I would take over LT", I meant with everything else being equal... meaning every RB has to play with the same other ten guys, that would be my personal list. But that also goes a long way to determining which back you want. If you have a huge, nasty, road-grading OL and a great in-line blocking TE, I would look at Brown or Campbell in that scenario. But if you had more of a West Coast offense where the guards are versatile and you value a short passing game, I would look at Sanders, Faulk and LT to compliment that personnel.

(Payton would be great in any era... with any offense, which speaks a lot to how magnificent he was.)

Again, considering the five guys I would definitely pick ahead of LT are all legends, it's not meant to disrespect the guy at all. Being the 6th-best RB in the HISTORY of the game (in my eyes, anyway) is a pretty damn great feat.
LT was better than Faulk, Sanders, and Campbell, IMO. I think Brown and Sweetness were better backs. I'd put LT 3rd all time.
I respect your opinion, but I'm confident that if someone started a "Who was better - Sanders or Tomlinson?" poll, Barry would get at least 75% of the votes.Now... LT vs. Faulk? That's really, really interesting.

 
I respect your opinion, but I'm confident that if someone started a "Who was better - Sanders or Tomlinson?" poll, Barry would get at least 75% of the votes.

Now... LT vs. Faulk? That's really, really interesting.
Pretty sure Sanders would get even more than that. His negative runs and "drive killing style" are overblown. I would probably take LT over Faulk - but LT doesn't come anywhere close to Payton or Sanders.
 
Running backs I would take over LT to win one big game.

Definitely

Jim Brown

Walter Payton

Barry Sanders

Earl Campbell

Marshall Faulk
Earl Campbell's teams were 3-3 in playoff games. He averaged 3.11 YPC in those games and scored just 4 TDs. Basically, in 6 playoff games he had one good one, 27/118/1 in a win over New England in 1978.
Walter Payton was just as bad.
There are ten other guys on offense, fellas.By "running backs I would take over LT", I meant with everything else being equal... meaning every RB has to play with the same other ten guys, that would be my personal list. But that also goes a long way to determining which back you want. If you have a huge, nasty, road-grading OL and a great in-line blocking TE, I would look at Brown or Campbell in that scenario. But if you had more of a West Coast offense where the guards are versatile and you value a short passing game, I would look at Sanders, Faulk and LT to compliment that personnel.

(Payton would be great in any era... with any offense, which speaks a lot to how magnificent he was.)

Again, considering the five guys I would definitely pick ahead of LT are all legends, it's not meant to disrespect the guy at all. Being the 6th-best RB in the HISTORY of the game (in my eyes, anyway) is a pretty damn great feat.
LT was better than Faulk, Sanders, and Campbell, IMO. I think Brown and Sweetness were better backs. I'd put LT 3rd all time. As frustrating as it was seeing LT on the sidelines at NE in '07, as a Charger fan I'd much rather have had a healthy 100% Michael Turner out there than a gimpy LT.
I largely agree with one exception - I think Faulk and LT are about equal with LT a more complete player (like Walter) and Marshall a smudge more dynamic (obviously that is saying something). LT came in right when I really started following the draft and prospects closely and he was probably the first player I got really giddy about - turned out I got this one right, at least. No-brainer 1st ballot HOFer and one of the most exciting guys to ever play the game.

 
Huge LT fan and the best FF dynasty player I've ever had. Thanks for all the titles and good luck with your retirement!!

 
Big ups to LT. One of the greatest.....

AND he helped me go back to back in 06-07. Will always have a place in my heart for him!

 
best all-around RB ( Run, catch) in the history of the league, IMO..what a pleasure it was to watch him play..

not a show-boating player,either..never an out of control TD celebration,etc.

mild-mannered all around good guy

:thumbup:

 
did any team that didn't have him in his 31 TD season not get their points title for that season in FFL?

that was almost too sick of a season.

when the guy started out i thought he had the skills to pass emmitt smith.. if anything him falling so many yards short just makes me respect emmitt that much more.

I wished he'd passed Curtis Martin... he's such an odd listing on that all-time yards chart... at no point did i ever think he was elite, but he just kept compiling.

Same with Marcus Allen... only 1-2 years of elite-ness but he just kept playing and playing.. amazing longevity for the position.

 
Running backs I would take over LT to win one big game.

Definitely

Jim Brown

Walter Payton

Barry Sanders

Earl Campbell

Marshall Faulk

Possibly

Gale Sayers

Emmitt Smith

O.J. Simpson

Thurman Thomas

Eric Dickerson

Close, but no cigar

Marcus Allen

Tony Dorsett

Adrian Peterson

Any objections?
You must have missed all of Barry Sanders negative runs, and he was held to -2 in a playoff game. Barry had uber talent, but LT IMO was a more complete back and a better guy to get ya those yards when you needed it, I watched both players play just about every single snap they played
I also missed the playoff game that Rivers toughed out an injury while LT sulked on the sidelines wearing a cape.
you really think a RB can play with a torn knee ligament?
Guess I just found it funny that of all the guys I listed, Barry is the one you have a problem with.Arguably the 2nd-best RB ever. It's not like I was insulting LT.
you were speaking in the context of winning a game. Barry as great as he was, was very limited in actullay pouding out wins, the guy was a terrific RB, a human highlight film but that was also his achilles heel, he walways tried for the big run, always, would never help sustain drives and often put his team in bad situations.

great player no doubt, but a very selfish and un-team like guy and talk about quitting on ur team, just walked away post-draft post-fa.
Gotcha. But it's not like LT was winning Super Bowl after Super Bowl, either.And IIRC, the ligament was sprained, not torn. I remember him catching hell for not giving it a go vs. NE.
right he caught hell because he was sitting by himself on the bench with his dark helmet on and in big jacket. not sure what he was supposed to do, I remember him carrying in the ball like twice and looking terrible, Turner was better suited to play that day for sure. Rivers being out there giving it his all with a freshly torn acl probably didnt do LT any favors. But I dont think a RB can play after ripping up a ligament in his knee. Too much torque and pressure on the knee.

 
did any team that didn't have him in his 31 TD season not get their points title for that season in FFL?that was almost too sick of a season.
I got the points title, but lost in the semi's despite him rushing for nearly 200 & a few TD's. :kicksrock: Lost out on the points title in '07 because of Brady's monster year. Then bit the bullet because the rest of my squad wasn't good enough around him and traded LT away for MJD+ and it nearly broke my heart. Turned out to be 1 of the best moves I ever made, '08 was the beginning of the end for LT.There was all this talk early in his career about how he avoided hits to help increase his longevity. People used to ##### about how when LT would get enough for a 1st on the sideline he would often go out off bounds instead of fighting for that extra yard or 2 "so he could avoid contact." Back then really thought we would see him putting up solid numbers well into his 30's...
 
did any team that didn't have him in his 31 TD season not get their points title for that season in FFL?that was almost too sick of a season.
I got the points title, but lost in the semi's despite him rushing for nearly 200 & a few TD's. :kicksrock: Lost out on the points title in '07 because of Brady's monster year. Then bit the bullet because the rest of my squad wasn't good enough around him and traded LT away for MJD+ and it nearly broke my heart. Turned out to be 1 of the best moves I ever made, '08 was the beginning of the end for LT.There was all this talk early in his career about how he avoided hits to help increase his longevity. People used to ##### about how when LT would get enough for a 1st on the sideline he would often go out off bounds instead of fighting for that extra yard or 2 "so he could avoid contact." Back then really thought we would see him putting up solid numbers well into his 30's...
In my main 16 team league, Tomlinson never won a title. Though the team that had him his rookie year, and traded him week 6 (for a ton) won the title that year in-part by getting rid of him.
 
I remember him catching hell for not giving it a go vs. NE.
You remember people being morons.I won't defend LT against the charges that he could be a selfish player, or that he could occasionally pout; but to question his toughness is wrong.
 
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Snapshot of his career:

[*]#5 all time with 3174 rushing attempts

[*]#5 all time with 13684 rushing yards

[*]#17 all time with 80.5 rushing yards per game

[*]#2 all time with 145 rushing TDs

[*]#55 all time and #3 all time among RBs with 624 receptions

[*]#10 all time among RBs with 4772 receiving yards

[*]tied for #33 all time among RBs with 17 receiving TDs

[*]#4 all time with 3798 touches

[*]#5 all time with 18456 yards from scrimmage

[*]#7 all time with 18456 all purpose yards

[*]#3 all time with 162 total TDs

[*]#3 all time among non-kickers with 972 points scored

[*]Ranks very high all time among RBs with 143 passing yards (not sure how high; historical data dominator says #1, but Payton was higher, so it is not accurate)

[*]Ranks very high all time among RBs with 7 passing TDs (not sure how high; historical data dominator says #1, but Payton was higher, so it is not accurate)

[*]Led league in yards from scrimmage 1 time

[*]Led league in rushing yards 2 times (different seasons than the season he led in YFS)

[*]Led league in rushing TDs 3 times

[*]Single season record with 28 rushing TDs in 2006

[*]3 time 1st team All Pro

[*]3 time 2nd team All Pro

[*]2006 MVP, POY, OPOY

Obviously, he is an all time great and deserving 1st ballot HOFer. However, I think some people are overrating him in this thread and, inevitably, in the media due to the recency effect.

IMO it is not debatable that Jim Brown, Walter Payton, and Barry Sanders were better and are the top 3 RBs of all time. I think there are strong arguments to be made that Emmitt Smith, Eric Dickerson, and Marshall Faulk were better. And, while it is impossible to compare across such divergent eras, I'd rank Gale Sayers higher also. I'd probably rank Tomlinson #8 on my all time RB list.

 
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Arguing whether or not Tomlinson deserves to be considered as a top 3 or top 5 or top 10 runner is very subjective. I personally would say he's a better overall player than Barry Sanders was, but I realize that most would want to tar and feather me for daring to besmirch Sanders' greatness. I also would say comfortably that I would rank Tomlinson behind Brown, Payton and Emmitt (again I realize many would put Sanders above Emmitt). And I probably would choose Marshall Faulk five out of 10 coin tosses versus Tomlinson if I were building a team.

Either way, he's an astoundingly great player and someone that we had the privilege to watch. He's also one of the few clear "all time greats" that played most of their careers in the fantasy football era, which will no doubt keep him beloved in our circle for a long time to come.

If someone like Curtis Martin got into the HOF so quickly, Tomlinson better get in right away. Not that "1st ballot" really means much in the grand scheme, but this guy deserves it in a huge way.

 
Obviously, he is an all time great and deserving 1st ballot HOFer. However, I think some people are overrating him in this thread and, inevitably, in the media due to the recency effect.IMO it is not debatable that Jim Brown, Walter Payton, and Barry Sanders were better and are the top 3 RBs of all time. I think there are strong arguments to be made that Emmitt Smith, Eric Dickerson, and Marshall Faulk were better. And, while it is impossible to compare across such divergent eras, I'd rank Gale Sayers higher also. I'd probably rank Tomlinson #8 on my all time RB list.
I think Walter Payton and LaDainian Tomlinson were extremely similar in an awful lot of ways. They were both tremendously versatile (as runners, receivers, blockers, and even passers). They both were good soldiers on perennial losing teams early in their careers, and stuck with their teams until they turned things around and enjoyed success. They both had great goal-line leaps, and neither spiked the ball or otherwise engaged in flamboyant endzone celebrations. They both ran up steep hills in the offseason. They both played with tremendous heart, and were well respected, high-character guys off the field. They even both had that same little stutter step in the open field — probably because Tomlinson copied it from Payton.Rather than being "not debatable" as to which was better, I think they're pretty even.And as much as I loves me some Gale Sayers highlights, I don't think he's in the same tier as all the other guys you mentioned.(Did you grow up a Bears fan? ;) )
 
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