Dinsy Ejotuz
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On the year... 33 targets, 20 catches (61%), 410 yards (20.5), 4 TDs
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Ladarius Green's value (1 Viewer)
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Unless Gates retires,I don't think L.Greens numbers improve that much
zamboni
Footballguy
Tau837
Footballguy
I am skeptical that will happen. According to spotrac, he is set to make $5M next season. I don't think he's worth that much at this point, but his cap hit next season is $7.36M, and they would take a $4.725M cap hit if they trade or release him. Not sure there is enough cap savings there to release a surefire HOFer who has spent his entire career with the franchise. I think it's more likely they do nothing or restructure in some manner.
zamboni
Footballguy
Guess it's possible they keep him around whether they restructure or not, while lessening his playing time in favor of Green.
$5 million is still a lot of money to pay a guy that doesn't bring much to the table anymore - it's not like he's a good blocker to offset his reduction in pass catching. Seems like Green is better in pass protection as well at this point. I guess it boils down which is bigger - the cap hit or the PR hit the team would face.
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Tau837
Footballguy
Gates had 77 receptions for 872 yards this season. That is the 4th highest number of receptions and 3rd highest amount of receiving yards among all TEs. He caught 71% of his targets (per PFF). He's not what he once was, but he is still solid.
Agree he is probably no longer worth his salary, but it's not like they have to get rid of Gates to get Green more snaps. There is no reason Green and Gates can't play together, with Green taking snaps from Vincent Brown and/or Eddie Royal, along with taking some snaps from Gates.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I was all over this at the start of the year, but at this point you have to tip your hat to the coaches and shrug. They know what they're doing and the results speak for themselves.
And to be fair Royal did almost as much as Green did on a per target basis, and Philip Rivers is making everyone in that offense look good.
zamboni
Footballguy
Fair point. The one-time sleeper Brown has become virtually invisible, and after his flash in the pan start of the season, Royal hasn't done much. Green is basically an oversized WR, so no reason they can't use him and Gates concurrently.Just Win Baby said:
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BuckeyeChaos
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I saw that. If the two players are night and day, can they really keep Green off the field in 1TE sets? I don't see how they could. Damn it. I'm going to have to reach for this guy if I don't land Gronk or Olsen. Such tantalizing combo of talent and opportunity.
kutta
Footballguy
Regarding his worth, I traded him in my 12 team, PPR dynasty league about a month ago for Maclin (I have Ertz and Rudolph).
Before everyone chimes in with, "We don't care about your team," I know that. I'm just posting so people can see what kind of value he's bringing.
I do think Green could be really good, but he still has to get by Gates and his sample size is really small. He sure is a fun guy to watch though.
Before everyone chimes in with, "We don't care about your team," I know that. I'm just posting so people can see what kind of value he's bringing.
I do think Green could be really good, but he still has to get by Gates and his sample size is really small. He sure is a fun guy to watch though.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Still buying. Overpaying where needed. Long-term upside is Brandon Marshall or Marques Colston with more size, better long speed, and scoring his points as a TE. If he hits he'll be a top-20 dynasty player.
Zyphros
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
I'm really trying to get this kid on my team but I have Gronk, Eifer, and now Ebron. I just don't have room for him. I am actually trying to move players for future picks just to free up a spot for him. I've offered Larry Fitzgerald to 5 different owners for a 2015 first just so I can snag Green with Larry's roster spot. I have other guys but I don't think they will fetch much to be honest and I don't want to dump them for peanuts (Hunter, Allen Robinson, Brandin Cooks, Moncrief, Lattimore, Gore)
I Obviously don't value Green higher than any of those guys right now (I need Gore) but he's right on the cusp.
I Obviously don't value Green higher than any of those guys right now (I need Gore) but he's right on the cusp.
cstu
Footballguy
I couldn't help but notice the similarity between Green and Danario Alexander. If I can get anywhere close to the production DX had when healthy out of a TE I'm all in.
donkshow
Footballguy
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
get this hype machine rolling!
temper expectations this year boys its 2015 that LGreen pays off, get ready to "buy low" if owners get frustrated around halloween. Dont overpay yet
temper expectations this year boys its 2015 that LGreen pays off, get ready to "buy low" if owners get frustrated around halloween. Dont overpay yet
I could deal with another year of not being a ff stud, but I'll be watching how they use him closely. It'll be a red flag IMO if he doesn't get way more targets than last season.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
I've been trying too in the few I don't own him in. Late 1sts aren't getting it done anymore. And I don't even disagree with the guys turning them down too much...wdcrob said:
MattFancy
Footballguy
After our draft I flipped my 2015 1st for him. Hoping it ends up looking good for me.
Green may be a big reason why the Chargers didn't draft a wide receiver until the seventh round this year. Well, that and Malcom Floyd's expected return.
The Chargers really do need to get Green and Gates on the field together more. Move Gates out to the slot, maybe, since he's become pretty useless as a blocker.
The Chargers really do need to get Green and Gates on the field together more. Move Gates out to the slot, maybe, since he's become pretty useless as a blocker.
Winning IS Everything
Footballguy
I snagged Green as a long term stash last year in my 10 team, 10 player keeper league. My league has not caught up to the hype that we have for him as I put him out for feelers and got no responses. I am going to have a tough time keeping him, but may do it at the expense of a WR4 just for upside.
Not that anyone cares about my team, just presenting how I see him in value...... I am torn between keeping a WR4 of Justin Hunter or TY Hilton or Ladarius Green as TE2 after Graham.
Not that anyone cares about my team, just presenting how I see him in value...... I am torn between keeping a WR4 of Justin Hunter or TY Hilton or Ladarius Green as TE2 after Graham.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I'm on an island, but IMO one of Green's best comps is Mike Evans.
And, believing that, I'd much rather have the guy who not only has a very strong pre-draft profile, but has also backed it up on an actual NFL field in limited action. i.e. I think Green's worth a very early rookie pick. Getting him with the #5 or #6 is still a good deal IMO.
This is the only thing that has me tapping the breaks just a bit on him. It's not as if he's competing with a bunch of all-pro's out there, I can't figure out why they didn't utilize him more last year.
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Tau837
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Keep in mind, this is the coaching staff that played Mathews on less than 45% of their offensive snaps last season, despite the fact that he outperformed the other RBs. Just as they should have played Mathews more and utilized him differently (e.g., more in the passing game), they should have played Green more and utilized him differently (e.g., more 2 TE sets if they weren't willing to give him snaps at Gates' expense).
Yeah, but he still had over 300 touches on the season and he had major durability concerns. They also gave Mathews a ton of work down the stretch while Green fell off the map entirely.
I do think that's the most likely explanation which is why I'm only slightly reserved, but it still makes me wonder a bit.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
The SD brass took the air out of the ball late in the year to try and win game by milking the clock and running the ball, because their D sucked so badly.
And SD has a new OC this year, so we will see what wrinkles that brings
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
From March:
Sure, they threw the ball less, but Rivers still attempted 110 passes in those last 4 games, and only 4 of them were directed towards Green (he had 1 out of his 74 completions). That's ridiculous.bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
That part could at least be explained away (as he tried to do) as not really knowing what you had in him, not being totally comfortable, etc. The really bizarre part is how they watched him have 3 really nice games in a row later in the season, then completely stopped even trying to get him involved. Just doesn't make sense.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Coaches do dumb stuff sometimes. But it's hard to say they didn't know what they were doing -- the team was way better than expected overall.
Also, FWIW, he had eight targets, six catches and two TDs in his last three games (including the playoffs).
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I know they do, and I'm hoping that's all it was, but the quote about wishing they had used him earlier doesn't explain why they went away from him completely late in the season- I'd much rather hear him address that point. The comment about not knowing what they are doing is part of my concern- they exceeded expectations overall which makes you think they know what they're doing, but that includes hardly utilizing him at all. That doesn't really make me feel better about him.
Even if you include the playoffs (which had other circumstances like Mathews being hurt), that doesn't explain the lack of looks during the home stretch when they were fighting for their playoff lives. That's the part I'm trying to figure out.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
They got a team that had no business being in the playoffs in, and won a road game
Look Green has a HOF player in front of him.
I expect Greens stats to be better this year, but not by a whole lot and you can also expect some goose eggs.
socrates
Footballguy
I think that is spot on. I am very excited about Green as a dynasty prospect, but I think we need to temper our expectations for this season. His stats are likely to increase, but he may still not be a reliable weekly starter for 2014. By 2015, however, I expect Green may climb toward elite status at TE, but in redrafts, I might take a chance on another physically gifted TE who can be acquired even more cheaply who is in a better position to post weekly stats for 2014, such as David Ausberry or Adrien Robinson (edit to add Travis Kelce), depending on how their situations develop.
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His three really nice games were in weeks 11-13.
In weeks 1-10, Green was on the field for 18.4% of the offensive snaps.
In weeks 11-13, Green was on the field for 53.9% of the snaps.
In weeks 14 on (including playoffs), Green was on the field for 54.5% of the snaps.
So for whatever it's worth, Green's targets dropped after week 13, but his playing time didn't. Maybe defenses started trying harder to cover him at that point.
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msudaisy26
Footballguy
Just to help gauge the value. I just got Green and Gates and the 2.11 for 1.10 and 3.05
az_prof
Footballguy
Wow! I think you did well. As someone who owns Green and Gates, I wouldn't give them and a 2.11 up for a 1.10 and a third. But I guess it depends on if you are in "win now" mode or not because it is possible that the two of them will split so much time and so many looks that neither will be a top ten fantasy TE this year. But long term, I do like Green better than a late first round pick.
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
In weeks 11-13 his targets were 5-5-6
he had a 3 target game and the rest were 0-2 targets per game for the rest of the year
From what can remember around that time was when their run game was working pretty smoothly
week 14 an on Matthews had no less that 24 carries a game
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In weeks 11-13, he got 16 out of 110 targets (14.5%). Rest of the season (and post season), he got 10 out of 153 (6.5%). But you are correct that the running game took over for the most part. 36.7 passing attempts per game down to 25.5 attempts.
This was already addressed- yes, they passed the ball less towards the end of the season, but why did his portion of the passing game pie decline so much?
ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
Ladarius Green's offseason trainer said his client's biggest strides came in movement going in and out of breaks.
Although Green's snap count rose sharply toward the end of last season and into the playoffs, he was often used as an in-line blocking complement to Antonio Gates. Improvement as a route-runner will convince the coaching staff that they need to unleash this freak in the passing game. At 6'6/240 with 4.5 speed, they realize the sky is limit as the 24-year-old continues to develop. Green's usage at camp will help tell us if he's going to be a boom or bust pick in fantasy drafts.
Although Green's snap count rose sharply toward the end of last season and into the playoffs, he was often used as an in-line blocking complement to Antonio Gates. Improvement as a route-runner will convince the coaching staff that they need to unleash this freak in the passing game. At 6'6/240 with 4.5 speed, they realize the sky is limit as the 24-year-old continues to develop. Green's usage at camp will help tell us if he's going to be a boom or bust pick in fantasy drafts.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
From an article at NFL.com...
That's interesting after they said he was down to 240 earlier. At 250 he's a true TE, though still a little bit undersized, but if he didn't lose any of his speed or athleticism he'd be an almost impossible cover.
zamboni
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cstu
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Just picked him off waivers in my 10 team 2QB league.
Other tight ends that were rostered while Green languished on the waiver wire.
Tim Wright
Jared Cook
Jordan Cameron
Jermichael Finley
Martellus Bennett
Coby Fleener
Austin Seferian Jenkins
Jordan Reed
Delanie Walker
Antonio Gates
Heath Miller
Zach Ertz
Julius Thomas
Jason Witten
Owen Daniels (on IR though)
Greg Olsen
Dennis Pitta
Vernon Davis
Kyle Rudolph
Jimmy Graham
Eric Ebron
Rob Gronkowski
Tyler Eifert
Other tight ends that were rostered while Green languished on the waiver wire.
Tim Wright
Jared Cook
Jordan Cameron
Jermichael Finley
Martellus Bennett
Coby Fleener
Austin Seferian Jenkins
Jordan Reed
Delanie Walker
Antonio Gates
Heath Miller
Zach Ertz
Julius Thomas
Jason Witten
Owen Daniels (on IR though)
Greg Olsen
Dennis Pitta
Vernon Davis
Kyle Rudolph
Jimmy Graham
Eric Ebron
Rob Gronkowski
Tyler Eifert
