Ladarius Green's value (2 Viewers)

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Ladarius Green - TE - Chargers

The Union-Tribune San Diego's Michael Gehlken pinpoints third-year TE Ladarius Green as a 2014 breakout candidate.

Asked to name a Chargers breakout player in a chat, Gehlken replied, "Ladarius Green is the first name on offense who comes to mind." Fantasy leaguers are well aware by now of Green's athletic upside; he now needs San Diego's coaching staff to make a weekly commitment to feeding him. Ideally, 24-year-old Green would become Philip Rivers' No. 2 passing-game option behind Keenan Allen.

Source: Union-Tribune San Diego Jun 6 - 12:38 AM

 

[Sarlakticacid]

That part could at least be explained away (as he tried to do) as not really knowing what you had in him, not being totally comfortable, etc. The really bizarre part is how they watched him have 3 really nice games in a row later in the season, then completely stopped even trying to get him involved. Just doesn't make sense.

His three really nice games were in weeks 11-13.

In weeks 1-10, Green was on the field for 18.4% of the offensive snaps.

In weeks 11-13, Green was on the field for 53.9% of the snaps.

In weeks 14 on (including playoffs), Green was on the field for 54.5% of the snaps.

So for whatever it's worth, Green's targets dropped after week 13, but his playing time didn't. Maybe defenses started trying harder to cover him at that point.

Maybe that's it, but that would be a pretty big negative, no?

In weeks 11-13 his targets were 5-5-6

he had a 3 target game and the rest were 0-2 targets per game for the rest of the year

From what can remember around that time was when their run game was working pretty smoothly

week 14 an on Matthews had no less that 24 carries a game

This was already addressed- yes, they passed the ball less towards the end of the season, but why did his portion of the passing game pie decline so much?

Seems Gates and Allen both had a decline in targets similar to this. Him being on the field more may have been due to his blocking improving. Would be intersting to see his percentage of plays blocking as opposed to going out on a route from wk 13 on

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

article on McCoy/Frank Riech taking the chargers O to the K-Gun Bills style

Blurb about LGreen too:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000356456/article/philip-rivers-chargers-to-unleash-nohuddle-attack

 

[Skeletore Eh]

Ladarius Green - TE - Chargers

Ladarius Green is working as the Chargers' No. 1 tight end during minicamp while Antonio Gates attends to a "very personal" matter."

Gates is in no danger of being phased out of the offense, but it's an opportunity for Green to build chemistry with Philip Rivers, and impress a coaching staff that's yet to commit to Green as a featured passing-game component. Green reportedly "punctuated" a two-minute drill in Tuesday's practice with a 15-yard TD catch. 24-year-old Green offers a high level of 2014 breakout appeal.

Source: Union-Tribune San Diego Jun 19 - 9:48 PM

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

The Union-Tribune San Diego's Kevin Acee expects Ladarius Green to "at least double" his 2013 receiving line of 17-367-3.
We might consider it a disappointment if Green only doubled last year's stats. Acee confirms "there are plays Green makes ... no one else on the roster can make." Ideally, Green would emerge as the Chargers' No. 2 passing-game option, behind Keenan Allen, and become a jump-ball dominator in the red zone.

Source: Union-Tribune San Diego

 

[Faust]

Making the Leap, No. 9: Chargers' Ladarius Green

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

This season could be huge. If you can snag him as your TE2? Gravy.

Buy in dynasty before the season starts. After that it will be very costly.

 

[cstu]

Making the Leap, No. 9: Chargers' Ladarius Green

When the Chargers let Green run loose, he goes deep. He made nine plays over 20 yards, and most of those were bombs, not runs after the catch. Rivers treated Green like a wide receiver because he plays like a wide receiver.

Like I've said, he's DX playing TE. A huge mismatch for defenses.

 

[cstu]

PFF has a great efficiency metric called yards per route run; only Rob Gronkowski was more explosive among tight ends with at least 100 snaps.

 

[Eminence]

You almost have to give up a WR3, borderline WR2 to acquire him. Anyone who has him knows he's worth something.

 

[Sabertooth]

PFF has a great efficiency metric called yards per route run; only Rob Gronkowski was more explosive among tight ends with at least 100 snaps.

I traded Green for Witten. I have Gronk so I wanted a strong insurance policy. Probably crazy but I had Ebron and Eifert. I'm betting for 2014 I get more points out of Witten than Green.

 

[msudaisy26]

PFF has a great efficiency metric called yards per route run; only Rob Gronkowski was more explosive among tight ends with at least 100 snaps.

I traded Green for Witten. I have Gronk so I wanted a strong insurance policy. Probably crazy but I had Ebron and Eifert. I'm betting for 2014 I get more points out of Witten than Green.

I think they will be a lot closer in scoring this year then you think. by next year you will hate that trade.

 

[cstu]

PFF has a great efficiency metric called yards per route run; only Rob Gronkowski was more explosive among tight ends with at least 100 snaps.

I traded Green for Witten. I have Gronk so I wanted a strong insurance policy. Probably crazy but I had Ebron and Eifert. I'm betting for 2014 I get more points out of Witten than Green.

If you had Gronk you should have kept Green instead of keeping Witten on your bench. I have those 3 TE's (Green, Ebron, Eifert) and if I had to predict the one most likely to become a stud it would be Green.

 

[Sabertooth]

PFF has a great efficiency metric called yards per route run; only Rob Gronkowski was more explosive among tight ends with at least 100 snaps.

I traded Green for Witten. I have Gronk so I wanted a strong insurance policy. Probably crazy but I had Ebron and Eifert. I'm betting for 2014 I get more points out of Witten than Green.

I think they will be a lot closer in scoring this year then you think. by next year you will hate that trade.

Nah. I like Witten a lot more for this year...like 30 catches more at least.

 

[cstu]

PFF has a great efficiency metric called yards per route run; only Rob Gronkowski was more explosive among tight ends with at least 100 snaps.

I traded Green for Witten. I have Gronk so I wanted a strong insurance policy. Probably crazy but I had Ebron and Eifert. I'm betting for 2014 I get more points out of Witten than Green.

I think they will be a lot closer in scoring this year then you think. by next year you will hate that trade.

Nah. I like Witten a lot more for this year...like 30 catches more at least.

Even so, when will you be starting him? If you didn't have Gronk I could see it but I don't like it for a backup TE.

 

[msudaisy26]

PFF has a great efficiency metric called yards per route run; only Rob Gronkowski was more explosive among tight ends with at least 100 snaps.

I traded Green for Witten. I have Gronk so I wanted a strong insurance policy. Probably crazy but I had Ebron and Eifert. I'm betting for 2014 I get more points out of Witten than Green.

I think they will be a lot closer in scoring this year then you think. by next year you will hate that trade.

Nah. I like Witten a lot more for this year...like 30 catches more at least.

That maybe true but I would bet that Green has more tds and yards would be close because Green will have the higher ypc.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

PFF has a great efficiency metric called yards per route run; only Rob Gronkowski was more explosive among tight ends with at least 100 snaps.

I traded Green for Witten. I have Gronk so I wanted a strong insurance policy. Probably crazy but I had Ebron and Eifert. I'm betting for 2014 I get more points out of Witten than Green.

I think they will be a lot closer in scoring this year then you think. by next year you will hate that trade.

Nah. I like Witten a lot more for this year...like 30 catches more at least.

I love Green long term, but IMO it's a huge stretch to think that he out scores Jason Witten any time prior to Antonio Gates' retirement. Also, in many formats, Witten is likely a pretty viable starter in the flex. It's a pretty fair trade for a team in win now mode IMO. I love Green, but there's a glut of young upside TE talent out there right now.

 

[cstu]

PFF has a great efficiency metric called yards per route run; only Rob Gronkowski was more explosive among tight ends with at least 100 snaps.

I traded Green for Witten. I have Gronk so I wanted a strong insurance policy. Probably crazy but I had Ebron and Eifert. I'm betting for 2014 I get more points out of Witten than Green.

I think they will be a lot closer in scoring this year then you think. by next year you will hate that trade.

Nah. I like Witten a lot more for this year...like 30 catches more at least.

I love Green long term, but IMO it's a huge stretch to think that he out scores Jason Witten any time prior to Antonio Gates' retirement. Also, in many formats, Witten is likely a pretty viable starter in the flex. It's a pretty fair trade for a team in win now mode IMO. I love Green, but there's a glut of young upside TE talent out there right now.

Starting Witten in your flex is the same as starting a WR3. Perhaps a little more consistent but it doesn't have a lot of value. I'd rather make that trade during the season if Gronk gets hurt again.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

PFF has a great efficiency metric called yards per route run; only Rob Gronkowski was more explosive among tight ends with at least 100 snaps.

I traded Green for Witten. I have Gronk so I wanted a strong insurance policy. Probably crazy but I had Ebron and Eifert. I'm betting for 2014 I get more points out of Witten than Green.

I think they will be a lot closer in scoring this year then you think. by next year you will hate that trade.

Nah. I like Witten a lot more for this year...like 30 catches more at least.

I love Green long term, but IMO it's a huge stretch to think that he out scores Jason Witten any time prior to Antonio Gates' retirement. Also, in many formats, Witten is likely a pretty viable starter in the flex. It's a pretty fair trade for a team in win now mode IMO. I love Green, but there's a glut of young upside TE talent out there right now.

Starting Witten in your flex is the same as starting a WR3. Perhaps a little more consistent but it doesn't have a lot of value. I'd rather make that trade during the season if Gronk gets hurt again.

It definitely depends on format. In PPR, Witten would have finished WR22 last year; in larger leagues (12+) with deep lineups (3 WRs+) that kind of production is very strong in a flex spot. If it's a 10 teamer with only 2 WRs, then yeah Witten is not worth much in that spot.

 

[Dragon1952]

PFF has a great efficiency metric called yards per route run; only Rob Gronkowski was more explosive among tight ends with at least 100 snaps.

I traded Green for Witten. I have Gronk so I wanted a strong insurance policy. Probably crazy but I had Ebron and Eifert. I'm betting for 2014 I get more points out of Witten than Green.

I think they will be a lot closer in scoring this year then you think. by next year you will hate that trade.

Nah. I like Witten a lot more for this year...like 30 catches more at least.

I love Green long term, but IMO it's a huge stretch to think that he out scores Jason Witten any time prior to Antonio Gates' retirement. Also, in many formats, Witten is likely a pretty viable starter in the flex. It's a pretty fair trade for a team in win now mode IMO. I love Green, but there's a glut of young upside TE talent out there right now.

I agree. As long as Gates is there and healthy anybody wanting to plug Green in as their starting TE will have to wait until 2015 minimum and maybe 2016. In the meantime you'd be better off starting Scott Chandler or Heath Miller or any number of other guys.

 

[cstu]

PFF has a great efficiency metric called yards per route run; only Rob Gronkowski was more explosive among tight ends with at least 100 snaps.

I traded Green for Witten. I have Gronk so I wanted a strong insurance policy. Probably crazy but I had Ebron and Eifert. I'm betting for 2014 I get more points out of Witten than Green.

I think they will be a lot closer in scoring this year then you think. by next year you will hate that trade.

Nah. I like Witten a lot more for this year...like 30 catches more at least.

I love Green long term, but IMO it's a huge stretch to think that he out scores Jason Witten any time prior to Antonio Gates' retirement. Also, in many formats, Witten is likely a pretty viable starter in the flex. It's a pretty fair trade for a team in win now mode IMO. I love Green, but there's a glut of young upside TE talent out there right now.

Starting Witten in your flex is the same as starting a WR3. Perhaps a little more consistent but it doesn't have a lot of value. I'd rather make that trade during the season if Gronk gets hurt again.

It definitely depends on format. In PPR, Witten would have finished WR22 last year; in larger leagues (12+) with deep lineups (3 WRs+) that kind of production is very strong in a flex spot. If it's a 10 teamer with only 2 WRs, then yeah Witten is not worth much in that spot.

That's skewed because he stayed healthy but in terms of PPG he was within a point per game of all the WR3's. You could get a guy like Hartline for practically nothing to use as your flex to produce almost the same numbers and keep Green.

 

[humpback]

PFF has a great efficiency metric called yards per route run; only Rob Gronkowski was more explosive among tight ends with at least 100 snaps.

I traded Green for Witten. I have Gronk so I wanted a strong insurance policy. Probably crazy but I had Ebron and Eifert. I'm betting for 2014 I get more points out of Witten than Green.

I think they will be a lot closer in scoring this year then you think. by next year you will hate that trade.

Nah. I like Witten a lot more for this year...like 30 catches more at least.

I love Green long term, but IMO it's a huge stretch to think that he out scores Jason Witten any time prior to Antonio Gates' retirement. Also, in many formats, Witten is likely a pretty viable starter in the flex. It's a pretty fair trade for a team in win now mode IMO. I love Green, but there's a glut of young upside TE talent out there right now.

I agree. As long as Gates is there and healthy anybody wanting to plug Green in as their starting TE will have to wait until 2015 minimum and maybe 2016. In the meantime you'd be better off starting Scott Chandler or Heath Miller or any number of other guys.

It's premature to say this for sure, but even if true, Green will only be 25 or 26 then while Witten will be close to worthless.

I don't see the point in making this trade right now when he may never even play Witten.

 

[az_prof]

PFF has a great efficiency metric called yards per route run; only Rob Gronkowski was more explosive among tight ends with at least 100 snaps.

I traded Green for Witten. I have Gronk so I wanted a strong insurance policy. Probably crazy but I had Ebron and Eifert. I'm betting for 2014 I get more points out of Witten than Green.

I think they will be a lot closer in scoring this year then you think. by next year you will hate that trade.

Nah. I like Witten a lot more for this year...like 30 catches more at least.

I love Green long term, but IMO it's a huge stretch to think that he out scores Jason Witten any time prior to Antonio Gates' retirement. Also, in many formats, Witten is likely a pretty viable starter in the flex. It's a pretty fair trade for a team in win now mode IMO. I love Green, but there's a glut of young upside TE talent out there right now.

I agree. As long as Gates is there and healthy anybody wanting to plug Green in as their starting TE will have to wait until 2015 minimum and maybe 2016. In the meantime you'd be better off starting Scott Chandler or Heath Miller or any number of other guys.

It's premature to say this for sure, but even if true, Green will only be 25 or 26 then while Witten will be close to worthless.

I don't see the point in making this trade right now when he may never even play Witten.

I agree. If you had a great championship type team that only lacked a TE, it would make sense to trade Green for Witten. But it makes no sense when you already have a great TE or if your team is not poised for a championship run.

 

[Dragon1952]

PFF has a great efficiency metric called yards per route run; only Rob Gronkowski was more explosive among tight ends with at least 100 snaps.

I traded Green for Witten. I have Gronk so I wanted a strong insurance policy. Probably crazy but I had Ebron and Eifert. I'm betting for 2014 I get more points out of Witten than Green.

I think they will be a lot closer in scoring this year then you think. by next year you will hate that trade.

Nah. I like Witten a lot more for this year...like 30 catches more at least.

I love Green long term, but IMO it's a huge stretch to think that he out scores Jason Witten any time prior to Antonio Gates' retirement. Also, in many formats, Witten is likely a pretty viable starter in the flex. It's a pretty fair trade for a team in win now mode IMO. I love Green, but there's a glut of young upside TE talent out there right now.

I agree. As long as Gates is there and healthy anybody wanting to plug Green in as their starting TE will have to wait until 2015 minimum and maybe 2016. In the meantime you'd be better off starting Scott Chandler or Heath Miller or any number of other guys.

It's premature to say this for sure, but even if true, Green will only be 25 or 26 then while Witten will be close to worthless.

I don't see the point in making this trade right now when he may never even play Witten.

I was responding to this part of the post "but IMO it's a huge stretch to think that he out scores Jason Witten any time prior to Antonio Gates' retirement", however, and not saying I would make the trade as it would depend, but Witten is signed through 2017 and he is only 32 yrs old, which isn't all that old for a TE.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

PFF has a great efficiency metric called yards per route run; only Rob Gronkowski was more explosive among tight ends with at least 100 snaps.

I traded Green for Witten. I have Gronk so I wanted a strong insurance policy. Probably crazy but I had Ebron and Eifert. I'm betting for 2014 I get more points out of Witten than Green.

I think they will be a lot closer in scoring this year then you think. by next year you will hate that trade.

Nah. I like Witten a lot more for this year...like 30 catches more at least.

I love Green long term, but IMO it's a huge stretch to think that he out scores Jason Witten any time prior to Antonio Gates' retirement. Also, in many formats, Witten is likely a pretty viable starter in the flex. It's a pretty fair trade for a team in win now mode IMO. I love Green, but there's a glut of young upside TE talent out there right now.

I agree. As long as Gates is there and healthy anybody wanting to plug Green in as their starting TE will have to wait until 2015 minimum and maybe 2016. In the meantime you'd be better off starting Scott Chandler or Heath Miller or any number of other guys.

It's premature to say this for sure, but even if true, Green will only be 25 or 26 then while Witten will be close to worthless.I don't see the point in making this trade right now when he may never even play Witten.

I was responding to this part of the post "but IMO it's a huge stretch to think that he out scores Jason Witten any time prior to Antonio Gates' retirement", however, and not saying I would make the trade as it would depend, but Witten is signed through 2017 and he is only 32 yrs old, which isn't all that old for a TE.

You guys must have missed the end of Gates' 2013. Dude fell off a cliff.

 

[socrates]

This is the time of the year when that shiny new toy often eclipses in value that of the tried and true veteran. As a Green dynasty owner myself, I understand the significant potential value in him. His combination of athleticism and skills are rare at the TE position. Green's future is indeed bright. That said, let us not lose sight of the goal to also win now. Witten is already there. You know what you are getting with Witten. Witten is a perennial top 5 TE, and there is still some tread left on the tires. Eyes on the prize.

 

[Dragon1952]

PFF has a great efficiency metric called yards per route run; only Rob Gronkowski was more explosive among tight ends with at least 100 snaps.

I traded Green for Witten. I have Gronk so I wanted a strong insurance policy. Probably crazy but I had Ebron and Eifert. I'm betting for 2014 I get more points out of Witten than Green.

I think they will be a lot closer in scoring this year then you think. by next year you will hate that trade.

Nah. I like Witten a lot more for this year...like 30 catches more at least.

I love Green long term, but IMO it's a huge stretch to think that he out scores Jason Witten any time prior to Antonio Gates' retirement. Also, in many formats, Witten is likely a pretty viable starter in the flex. It's a pretty fair trade for a team in win now mode IMO. I love Green, but there's a glut of young upside TE talent out there right now.

I agree. As long as Gates is there and healthy anybody wanting to plug Green in as their starting TE will have to wait until 2015 minimum and maybe 2016. In the meantime you'd be better off starting Scott Chandler or Heath Miller or any number of other guys.

It's premature to say this for sure, but even if true, Green will only be 25 or 26 then while Witten will be close to worthless.I don't see the point in making this trade right now when he may never even play Witten.

I was responding to this part of the post "but IMO it's a huge stretch to think that he out scores Jason Witten any time prior to Antonio Gates' retirement", however, and not saying I would make the trade as it would depend, but Witten is signed through 2017 and he is only 32 yrs old, which isn't all that old for a TE.

You guys must have missed the end of Gates' 2013. Dude fell off a cliff.

Define 'end of Gate's 2013'. Not that it matters much because if you take L4 Gates was 13/17/146/1 and Green was 1/4/22/1.If you want to go L6 Gates was 21/34/208/1 and Green was 6/15/147/3

 

[humpback]

This is the time of the year when that shiny new toy often eclipses in value that of the tried and true veteran. As a Green dynasty owner myself, I understand the significant potential value in him. His combination of athleticism and skills are rare at the TE position. Green's future is indeed bright. That said, let us not lose sight of the goal to also win now. Witten is already there. You know what you are getting with Witten. Witten is a perennial top 5 TE, and there is still some tread left on the tires. Eyes on the prize.

Maybe you missed that this guy also happens to own Gronk (and has Ebron and Eifert in addition to Green to back him up)? Just doesn't make sense.

 

[humpback]

You guys must have missed the end of Gates' 2013. Dude fell off a cliff.

Define 'end of Gate's 2013'. Not that it matters much because if you take L4 Gates was 13/17/146/1 and Green was 1/4/22/1.If you want to go L6 Gates was 21/34/208/1 and Green was 6/15/147/3

What Green did has nothing to do with his post. Gates absolutely slowed down measurably in the last 3/4's or so of last season.

 

[msudaisy26]

You guys must have missed the end of Gates' 2013. Dude fell off a cliff.

Define 'end of Gate's 2013'. Not that it matters much because if you take L4 Gates was 13/17/146/1 and Green was 1/4/22/1.If you want to go L6 Gates was 21/34/208/1 and Green was 6/15/147/3

What Green did has nothing to do with his post. Gates absolutely slowed down measurably in the last 3/4's or so of last season.

I get what you are trying to say but I think he is saying that the passing attack in general faded down the stretch for the Chargers. It wasn't Gates slowing down as much as it was the Chargers running the ball more. I honestly am not sure if Gates slowed down due to age or if it was just a lack of targets.

 

[socrates]

This is the time of the year when that shiny new toy often eclipses in value that of the tried and true veteran. As a Green dynasty owner myself, I understand the significant potential value in him. His combination of athleticism and skills are rare at the TE position. Green's future is indeed bright. That said, let us not lose sight of the goal to also win now. Witten is already there. You know what you are getting with Witten. Witten is a perennial top 5 TE, and there is still some tread left on the tires. Eyes on the prize.

Maybe you missed that this guy also happens to own Gronk (and has Ebron and Eifert in addition to Green to back him up)? Just doesn't make sense.

I get what you are saying, humpback. Ebron and Eifert fall more in the Green speculative value tier for the immediate future, so I suppose it depends on your confidence in Gronk to stay healthy.

 

[Dragon1952]

You guys must have missed the end of Gates' 2013. Dude fell off a cliff.

Define 'end of Gate's 2013'. Not that it matters much because if you take L4 Gates was 13/17/146/1 and Green was 1/4/22/1.If you want to go L6 Gates was 21/34/208/1 and Green was 6/15/147/3

What Green did has nothing to do with his post. Gates absolutely slowed down measurably in the last 3/4's or so of last season.

OK, so looking at BOTH of their numbers ending the season last year, explain to me how that points to Green this year.

 

[cstu]

This is the time of the year when that shiny new toy often eclipses in value that of the tried and true veteran. As a Green dynasty owner myself, I understand the significant potential value in him. His combination of athleticism and skills are rare at the TE position. Green's future is indeed bright. That said, let us not lose sight of the goal to also win now. Witten is already there. You know what you are getting with Witten. Witten is a perennial top 5 TE, and there is still some tread left on the tires. Eyes on the prize.

Maybe you missed that this guy also happens to own Gronk (and has Ebron and Eifert in addition to Green to back him up)? Just doesn't make sense.

I get what you are saying, humpback. Ebron and Eifert fall more in the Green speculative value tier for the immediate future, so I suppose it depends on your confidence in Gronk to stay healthy.

If he doesn't stay healthy then make the trade. Not in June when Gronk is expected back week 1.

 

[cstu]

You guys must have missed the end of Gates' 2013. Dude fell off a cliff.

Define 'end of Gate's 2013'. Not that it matters much because if you take L4 Gates was 13/17/146/1 and Green was 1/4/22/1.If you want to go L6 Gates was 21/34/208/1 and Green was 6/15/147/3

What Green did has nothing to do with his post. Gates absolutely slowed down measurably in the last 3/4's or so of last season.

OK, so looking at BOTH of their numbers ending the season last year, explain to me how that points to Green this year.

Mike McCoy wishes he'd used Green more.

 

[Dragon1952]

Cool....so even if he doubles last year and goes for 34/58/752/6.....what's that...around TE20?

 

[Winning IS Everything]

Cool....so even if he doubles last year and goes for 34/58/752/6.....what's that...around TE20?

In my standard scoring league, using last years totals 752/6 would be good for 111 points and a TE 7 finish.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

Cool....so even if he doubles last year and goes for 34/58/752/6.....what's that...around TE20?

In my standard scoring league, using last years totals 752/6 would be good for 111 points and a TE 7 finish.

If Gates is still hanging on, and they are using 22 personnel as planned, I see maybe less yards (675?) and more TD (8-9?).

 

[Winning IS Everything]

Cool....so even if he doubles last year and goes for 34/58/752/6.....what's that...around TE20?

In my standard scoring league, using last years totals 752/6 would be good for 111 points and a TE 7 finish.

If Gates is still hanging on, and they are using 22 personnel as planned, I see maybe less yards (675?) and more TD (8-9?).

Your numbers make sense to me. At 6'6", you would like to think he will be a main redzone target this coming year. He just seems like a guy that should convert between 20-25% of his catches into TD's. Time will tell though.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Coaches have to win to keep their jobs. So coaches like to win. Elite players help them win more than other guys. So coaches get elite players the ball. If Ladarius Green is elite he's going to get the ball.

There's a "projection" that's 100% accurate.

 

[BoltNlava]

You guys must have missed the end of Gates' 2013. Dude fell off a cliff.

Define 'end of Gate's 2013'. Not that it matters much because if you take L4 Gates was 13/17/146/1 and Green was 1/4/22/1.If you want to go L6 Gates was 21/34/208/1 and Green was 6/15/147/3

What Green did has nothing to do with his post. Gates absolutely slowed down measurably in the last 3/4's or so of last season.

I get what you are trying to say but I think he is saying that the passing attack in general faded down the stretch for the Chargers. It wasn't Gates slowing down as much as it was the Chargers running the ball more. I honestly am not sure if Gates slowed down due to age or if it was just a lack of targets.

This. The Chargers used the running game more and employed a keep away game plan. Rivers' #'s fell off as well.

 

[Tau837]

I am a big Green fan. However, I am skeptical he will be a strong fantasy play this year for these reasons:

1. His lack of usage last year by the same head coach. Green had just 29 targets last season, despite producing well with them. Was it McCoy or Wisenhunt? Will Reich make the difference?

2. The presence of Gates. Gates has been Rivers' primary target for several years and had 113 targets last year. And, while he appears to have lost a step, he still produced last season, with 77 receptions (#4 among TEs) and 872 receiving yards (#3 among TEs). Even if the Chargers run plenty of 2 TE sets, Green's opportunities will probably be limited unless Gates gets hurt and misses time.

3. With Donald Brown in place of Ronnie Brown, and with another year of experience together for the OL, the running game should be even better this season. Last year, the Chargers had 544 pass attempts (#22 in NFL) and 486 rushing attempts (#6 in NFL). If there is any change, it seems more likely to be fewer pass attempts and more rushing attempts, given their success last year and the addition of Brown.

4. The defense should also be better this year, which also could lead to fewer pass attempts and more running.

5. Mathews, Woodhead, and Brown are all quality receiving RBs, and they will likely combine for a lot of targets. Allen may be better with a year of experience, and playing heavy snaps from the start of the season. Floyd is back. All of this seems to further cap Green's opportunities.

 

[humpback]

This is the time of the year when that shiny new toy often eclipses in value that of the tried and true veteran. As a Green dynasty owner myself, I understand the significant potential value in him. His combination of athleticism and skills are rare at the TE position. Green's future is indeed bright. That said, let us not lose sight of the goal to also win now. Witten is already there. You know what you are getting with Witten. Witten is a perennial top 5 TE, and there is still some tread left on the tires. Eyes on the prize.

Maybe you missed that this guy also happens to own Gronk (and has Ebron and Eifert in addition to Green to back him up)? Just doesn't make sense.

I get what you are saying, humpback. Ebron and Eifert fall more in the Green speculative value tier for the immediate future, so I suppose it depends on your confidence in Gronk to stay healthy.

One thing that seems almost undeniable is that Witten will only lose value from here, while Green has a much better chance at gaining value. I think it's very unlikely that he couldn't have made this (or a better) trade at any point in the future if a lot of things went against him and he really needed another TE.

 

[humpback]

You guys must have missed the end of Gates' 2013. Dude fell off a cliff.

Define 'end of Gate's 2013'. Not that it matters much because if you take L4 Gates was 13/17/146/1 and Green was 1/4/22/1.If you want to go L6 Gates was 21/34/208/1 and Green was 6/15/147/3

What Green did has nothing to do with his post. Gates absolutely slowed down measurably in the last 3/4's or so of last season.

I get what you are trying to say but I think he is saying that the passing attack in general faded down the stretch for the Chargers. It wasn't Gates slowing down as much as it was the Chargers running the ball more. I honestly am not sure if Gates slowed down due to age or if it was just a lack of targets.

This. The Chargers used the running game more and employed a keep away game plan. Rivers' #'s fell off as well.

Yes, they ran more and passed less towards the end of the season. No, that doesn't explain all of the drop off- Gates' numbers fell of more as a % than Rivers' did, and you could tell he slowed down just from watching him. It doesn't mean he's finished, but it's hard to argue he didn't slow down quite a bit last year.

 

[BoltNlava]

You guys must have missed the end of Gates' 2013. Dude fell off a cliff.

Define 'end of Gate's 2013'. Not that it matters much because if you take L4 Gates was 13/17/146/1 and Green was 1/4/22/1.If you want to go L6 Gates was 21/34/208/1 and Green was 6/15/147/3

What Green did has nothing to do with his post. Gates absolutely slowed down measurably in the last 3/4's or so of last season.

I get what you are trying to say but I think he is saying that the passing attack in general faded down the stretch for the Chargers. It wasn't Gates slowing down as much as it was the Chargers running the ball more. I honestly am not sure if Gates slowed down due to age or if it was just a lack of targets.

This. The Chargers used the running game more and employed a keep away game plan. Rivers' #'s fell off as well.

Yes, they ran more and passed less towards the end of the season. No, that doesn't explain all of the drop off- Gates' numbers fell of more as a % than Rivers' did, and you could tell he slowed down just from watching him. It doesn't mean he's finished, but it's hard to argue he didn't slow down quite a bit last year.

He was targeted as much as 10 times early on in games and as little as an average of 4 later on. You could argue that it's a mix of both reasons I guess. No doubt he's lost a step though.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

ESPN Chargers reporter Eric Williams says Ladarius Green "appears to have taken another step in his development."

We'd expect nothing less from a 6'6/240 physical freak entering his age-24 season. Williams confirms that Green "will be featured more in the offense," suggesting that he'll be freed to run more routes. Green played on 59.7 percent of the Chargers offensive snaps over the final seven games of last year, but stayed in to block 60.5 percent of the time. Although Antonio Gates will remain a part of the offense, Green has serious breakout appeal at the top of the TE2 ranks.

Related: Antonio Gates

Source: ESPN.com

Aug 7 - 9:48 AM

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Anyone know if Green and Gates were on the field together for the first drive last night? Or did Gates have the night off?

 

[One More Rep]

Anyone know if Green and Gates were on the field together for the first drive last night? Or did Gates have the night off?

I believe Gates had night off

 

[Xue]

Anyone know if Green and Gates were on the field together for the first drive last night? Or did Gates have the night off?

According to PFF Premium data, Gates didn't log any snaps.

 

[BoltNlava]

He had the night off. I saw all snaps.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Ladarius Green - TE - Chargers

Ladarius Green played on eight of Philip Rivers' nine snaps in Friday night's preseason game against the Seahawks.

Green's usage was really encouraging. He played just about every first-team snap even though Antonio Gates was active, lined up in the slot three times and was not asked to pass block at all. Green finished with two catches for 20 yards on two targets (both after Rivers left the game), but that's not the point. When the 6'6/240 freak with 4.4 wheels gets used on every down and as a receiver, good things are going to happen. Green brings tremendous upside at the top of the TE2 ranks.

Related: Antonio Gates

Source: Adam Levitan on Twitter

Aug 16 - 1:18 PM