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Ladarius Green's value (1 Viewer)

Freelove said:
bombjack said:
Has he been playing with the starters in the preseason?
They've been seeming to mix him in with Gates. Though from the game-plus-a-little I got to see, he and Rivers just didn't appear to be on the same page at all, even when Rivers did attempt to target him. A lot of going to the sidelines together after the drive, with Rivers making wild gesticulations showing him what he should have done. I'm not confident. Much more confident Allen/Woodhead/StevieJ get a nice boost for a month.
As he is wont to do.

This is not encouraging, though. Damn it. I wanted to think that with the four week audition they'd realize what they'd been missing and just never look back. If he can't hold off a 35 year old Gates with a permanently bum foot (plantar fascitis) after getting a 4 week head start then he's never going to get it. He's so cheap that I'm still going to buy that lottery ticket, though.
What do you mean by the bold?
Green will be the de facto TE1 while Gates is suspended for the first four weeks.

ETA: and during those four weeks they'd realize how limited Gates' game is at this point and the flexibility Green brings with his quickness and deep speed.

 
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The only thing Green seems to excel at is running fast in a straight line. And this is coming from someone who was high on him previously. Stevie J gonna eat this guy's (and his fantasy owners') lunch IMO.

 
Hmmmm, thought I had a good guy from my WW to cover for me until Julius Thomas came back. This thread isn't exactly optimistic in that regard.

Most here are focused on his athletic upside, but what are the chances of early Steady-Eddie type production from him? How would you compare him to a Celek, Josh Hill, Michael Rivera? From an upside perspective how do you compare him to Richard Rodgers?

 
Hmmmm, thought I had a good guy from my WW to cover for me until Julius Thomas came back. This thread isn't exactly optimistic in that regard.

Most here are focused on his athletic upside, but what are the chances of early Steady-Eddie type production from him? How would you compare him to a Celek, Josh Hill, Michael Rivera? From an upside perspective how do you compare him to Richard Rodgers?
Way more upside, but a very low floor.

 
Welp he ain't producing poop this week.
He either has a concussion or he doesn't, if he doesn't he will absolutely put some points on the board.

Hmmmm, thought I had a good guy from my WW to cover for me until Julius Thomas came back. This thread isn't exactly optimistic in that regard.

Most here are focused on his athletic upside, but what are the chances of early Steady-Eddie type production from him? How would you compare him to a Celek, Josh Hill, Michael Rivera? From an upside perspective how do you compare him to Richard Rodgers?
Way more upside, but a very low floor.
You saying Green has more upside? Or Rodgers?

 
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Welp he ain't producing poop this week.
He either has a concussion or he doesn't, if he doesn't he will absolutely put some points on the board.

Hmmmm, thought I had a good guy from my WW to cover for me until Julius Thomas came back. This thread isn't exactly optimistic in that regard.

Most here are focused on his athletic upside, but what are the chances of early Steady-Eddie type production from him? How would you compare him to a Celek, Josh Hill, Michael Rivera? From an upside perspective how do you compare him to Richard Rodgers?
Way more upside, but a very low floor.
You saying Green has more upside? Or Rodgers?
Green. The way I see it:

Rodgers = Dwayne Allen

Green = Fleener

 
Welp he ain't producing poop this week.
He either has a concussion or he doesn't, if he doesn't he will absolutely put some points on the board.

Hmmmm, thought I had a good guy from my WW to cover for me until Julius Thomas came back. This thread isn't exactly optimistic in that regard.

Most here are focused on his athletic upside, but what are the chances of early Steady-Eddie type production from him? How would you compare him to a Celek, Josh Hill, Michael Rivera? From an upside perspective how do you compare him to Richard Rodgers?
Way more upside, but a very low floor.
You saying Green has more upside? Or Rodgers?
Green. The way I see it:

Rodgers = Dwayne Allen

Green = Fleener
Okay, the first time I read it I thought you meant Rodgers and I was just like, theres no way. The chargers offense has revolved around the TE for a decade, Green Bay's TE has been a non-factor since Aaron Rodgers had been there.

 
Size wise, he is close to Fleener. Both 6'6 240-250. But Green runs a 4.5. Ridiculously fast for that size. Not sure if Flenner has wheels near that horse power. I have to think that someone will figure out how to turn this guy into a player. That size speed combo seems off the charts rare.

 
Size wise, he is close to Fleener. Both 6'6 240-250. But Green runs a 4.5. Ridiculously fast for that size. Not sure if Flenner has wheels near that horse power. I have to think that someone will figure out how to turn this guy into a player. That size speed combo seems off the charts rare.
He just needs the opportunities, if he has a concussion its the biggest disappointed I've felt for Green.

 
Hmmmm, thought I had a good guy from my WW to cover for me until Julius Thomas came back. This thread isn't exactly optimistic in that regard.

Most here are focused on his athletic upside, but what are the chances of early Steady-Eddie type production from him? How would you compare him to a Celek, Josh Hill, Michael Rivera? From an upside perspective how do you compare him to Richard Rodgers?
He is like Celek in that he's the better blocker on a team that would like to run more so he may see a higher snap %.

He is like Hill in that almost all his production has happened on a handfull of plays, and fans really love nothing more than "assuming his receptions double or triple...." blah blah blah. People love doing this with WRs as well.

He is the polar opposite of Rivera in every conceivable way. Rivera has limited upside but appears to be the favorite of his QB in a suspect passing offense. But Rivera has simply been more productive.

Green may have more upside than Rodgers on a week to week basis based on the possibility of long TD's but I disagree Green has more upside than Rodgers overall. Rodgers is a Cobb injury away from possibly having a big role in a 5000/40 type passing offense while Green is likely to finish the 5th/6th receiver in a 4000/30 type offense.

Really depends on the league type you are talking about. Green is more of a daily contest type player imo.

 
Size wise, he is close to Fleener. Both 6'6 240-250. But Green runs a 4.5. Ridiculously fast for that size. Not sure if Flenner has wheels near that horse power. I have to think that someone will figure out how to turn this guy into a player. That size speed combo seems off the charts rare.
The only thing is TE is the type of position I am not sure that always matters. Both Gonzales and Gates have shown you can be a pro-bowl TE even when your wheels are completely shot. It doesn't hurt to be fast but I am not sure speed is as big a deal as we make it out to be at that particular position.

I like Green though and hope he does get to see a big boost in targets. Gates hinted at more of a time share even before the suspension. He just turned 25 a few months ago.

 
Welp he ain't producing poop this week.
He either has a concussion or he doesn't, if he doesn't he will absolutely put some points on the board.

Hmmmm, thought I had a good guy from my WW to cover for me until Julius Thomas came back. This thread isn't exactly optimistic in that regard.

Most here are focused on his athletic upside, but what are the chances of early Steady-Eddie type production from him? How would you compare him to a Celek, Josh Hill, Michael Rivera? From an upside perspective how do you compare him to Richard Rodgers?
Way more upside, but a very low floor.
You saying Green has more upside? Or Rodgers?
Green. The way I see it:

Rodgers = Dwayne Allen

Green = Fleener
Okay, the first time I read it I thought you meant Rodgers and I was just like, theres no way. The chargers offense has revolved around the TE for a decade, Green Bay's TE has been a non-factor since Aaron Rodgers had been there.
Jermichael Finley likes to think he was a factor.

 
Ladarius Green - TE - Chargers

Ladarius Green (possible concussion) was held out of Thursday's practice.
We can probably drop the "possible" off Green's concussion after the Chargers signed TE John Phillips as insurance. The would-be TE2 should be formally ruled out within the next 24 hours.

Source: Michael Gehlken on Twitter Sep 10 - 2:59 PM
Ugh. I'm so tired of this guy and so sorry I drafted him in dynasty. The only bigger TE disappointment I can think of is Jordan Reed.

 
Still nothing on him? Seems odd there hasn't been an update since last night.
Mixed Reports:

According to Michael Gehlken, San Diego Union-Tribune beat writer, "Ladarius Green (possible concussion) not practicing. With signing of TE John Phillips, appears Chargers preparing to be without him Sunday."
According to Jason Cole, an NFL reporter for Bleacher Report, Ladarius Green is EXPECTED to play the season opener against the Lions. "Source said Ladarius Green is "fine." Asked if he'll play in the opener: "Hope so."
 
Interesting that they signed another TE. May hold out until tomorrow before I drop him or not. TE is cursed for me in one league. Drafted Julius Thomas and he's out, picked up Green and now he could be out.

 
Ladarius Green - TE - Chargers

Ladarius Green (possible concussion) was held out of Thursday's practice.
We can probably drop the "possible" off Green's concussion after the Chargers signed TE John Phillips as insurance. The would-be TE2 should be formally ruled out within the next 24 hours.

Source: Michael Gehlken on Twitter Sep 10 - 2:59 PM
Ugh. I'm so tired of this guy and so sorry I drafted him in dynasty. The only bigger TE disappointment I can think of is Jordan Reed.
Martellus Bennett was a 2nd round pick who spent 4 years on the bench. I'm sure few of his original owners held onto him.
 
Ladarius Green - TE - Chargers

Ladarius Green (possible concussion) was held out of Thursday's practice.
We can probably drop the "possible" off Green's concussion after the Chargers signed TE John Phillips as insurance. The would-be TE2 should be formally ruled out within the next 24 hours.

Source: Michael Gehlken on Twitter Sep 10 - 2:59 PM
Ugh. I'm so tired of this guy and so sorry I drafted him in dynasty. The only bigger TE disappointment I can think of is Jordan Reed.
Martellus Bennett was a 2nd round pick who spent 4 years on the bench. I'm sure few of his original owners held onto him.
Not sure who held him that long but just to add to your point, I remember CLEARLY, in this forum, the day I added Bennett to my team and posted that I thought he was guy to add, people blasting me because he was a bum in Dallas and couldn't do this and couldn't do that and every other reason and I remember saying that day to see the opportunity that wasn't there before and see the one that is there now. Guess I'm just saying patience can be rewarded even when it is a long time if you believe in the guy.

 
Ladarius Green - TE - Chargers

Ladarius Green has been officially diagnosed with a concussion.

He suffered the injury at Wednesday's practice. He'll miss Sunday's opener against the Lions, and should be considered week to week. It's a huge missed opportunity for a player who has four weeks to showcase himself in the absence of a suspended Antonio Gates. Instead, John Phillips will get the start at tight end. Green's absence figures to funnel even more targets Stevie Johnson's way.

Source: Michael Gehlken on Twitter Sep 10 - 4:41 PM
 
I'm really glad I stocked up on TEs at the end of last year on my dynasty team. Been holding this guy for two years now.

 
I thought if you had a concussion you weren't allowed back on the field at all until you'd been cleared of symptoms?

i.e. barring setbacks will be OK for Sunday? Not completely sure on that though -- is two more days enough time?

 
I'm not sure but everything I'm seeing he is not cleared to play yet. He was allowed to talk to reporters after practice as well. I didn't think that was allowed with a concussion.

 
A couple more games like that and SD will have to play him more or let him walk. Either option is good news for Green owners.

 
A couple more games like that and SD will have to play him more or let him walk. Either option is good news for Green owners.
I agree, but I'm a little worried about him only getting 6 targets when Rivers threw the ball 42 times. Since McCoy's arrival, Rivers has averaged less than 35 passes per game. Last year, he threw the ball 42 or more times in only 2 games. If Rivers has developed some Jake Delhomme tunnel vision then Green owners could be in trouble. Hopefully other teams start to game plan against Allen.

 
I think Keenan Allen being uncoverable last night, in addition to Stevie looking really good ate in to the TE targets.

That being said, the targets are still there.

 
Would you guys offer Torrey Smith for him in Dynasty? Have Kelce so hopefully only need him for a bye week but Kelce's bye is week 9 which by that time Gates is back

 
Would you guys offer Torrey Smith for him in Dynasty? Have Kelce so hopefully only need him for a bye week but Kelce's bye is week 9 which by that time Gates is back
Yes, but not because of your bye weeks this year. He should either take over for Gates in 2016 or sign to be the TE1 for some other team who will use him. Torrey Smith is a known commodity at this point and he's in a bad situation. I would not accept your trade if I was a Green owner, but if I was you, it can't hurt to try.

 
A couple more games like that and SD will have to play him more or let him walk. Either option is good news for Green owners.
He's already had a couple of games like this in the past, but then completely disappears afterwards. No idea why the coaching staff doesn't use him more, even when Gates is playing.

 
Would you guys offer Torrey Smith for him in Dynasty? Have Kelce so hopefully only need him for a bye week but Kelce's bye is week 9 which by that time Gates is back
He is young, has awesome measurables, and opportunity appears to either be now, or in the very near future. I wouldnt trade him for Torrey Smith unless there was a first round pick offered with him. I am sure I am higher than most on him, but thats my opinion. Dude is a pretty freakish athlete.

 
A couple more games like that and SD will have to play him more or let him walk. Either option is good news for Green owners.
He's already had a couple of games like this in the past, but then completely disappears afterwards. No idea why the coaching staff doesn't use him more, even when Gates is playing.
Yeah I agree. That's why I hope he gets out of SD.

 
Would you guys offer Torrey Smith for him in Dynasty? Have Kelce so hopefully only need him for a bye week but Kelce's bye is week 9 which by that time Gates is back
He is young, has awesome measurables, and opportunity appears to either be now, or in the very near future. I wouldnt trade him for Torrey Smith unless there was a first round pick offered with him. I am sure I am higher than most on him, but thats my opinion. Dude is a pretty freakish athlete.
I like him too, but he's really not the super-stud athlete that some people think. He's very fast for his size, but really nothing else is "freakish".

 
A couple more games like that and SD will have to play him more or let him walk. Either option is good news for Green owners.
He's already had a couple of games like this in the past, but then completely disappears afterwards. No idea why the coaching staff doesn't use him more, even when Gates is playing.
Just for fun, I'd like to point out that this isn't really true.

In his three year career prior to yesterday:

-he has had 6 targets only twice

-he has never had 5 receptions

-he has equaled or topped 74 yards twice

-he has topped 74 yards with a TD once

So no, he hasn't really had a couple games like this in the past. The fact that he's only had two games with six targets is probably the reason why he's disappeared in the past after these fictitious similar games.

 
Would you guys offer Torrey Smith for him in Dynasty? Have Kelce so hopefully only need him for a bye week but Kelce's bye is week 9 which by that time Gates is back
He is young, has awesome measurables, and opportunity appears to either be now, or in the very near future. I wouldnt trade him for Torrey Smith unless there was a first round pick offered with him. I am sure I am higher than most on him, but thats my opinion. Dude is a pretty freakish athlete.
I like him too, but he's really not the super-stud athlete that some people think. He's very fast for his size, but really nothing else is "freakish".
Freakish might be a stretch, but his measurables are definitely very impressive. He's the same height as Gronk, ran a faster 40, higher vertical, longer broad jump, faster 3 cone, and same 20 yard shuttle.

 

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