Ladarius Green's value (1 Viewer)

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A couple more games like that and SD will have to play him more or let him walk. Either option is good news for Green owners.

He's already had a couple of games like this in the past, but then completely disappears afterwards. No idea why the coaching staff doesn't use him more, even when Gates is playing.

Just for fun, I'd like to point out that this isn't really true.

In his three year career prior to yesterday:

-he has had 6 targets only twice

-he has never had 5 receptions

-he has equaled or topped 74 yards twice

-he has topped 74 yards with a TD once

So no, he hasn't really had a couple games like this in the past. The fact that he's only had two games with six targets is probably the reason why he's disappeared in the past after these fictitious similar games.

pretty obvious OP meant green's had other games where he was heavily involved in the game plan, not that he's specifically had several games where he had 74+ yds and a score.

it's little disingenuous to make it sound like he's only had one game like this. there are several games where he got 5 or 6 targets and went for 60+ yards, which is pretty involved for a tight end and even more so for a tight end who's been backing up one of the all time greats his first three years in the league.

 

[Milkman]

Nearly a 35 inch Vert on a 6'6 guy is decent.

 

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A couple more games like that and SD will have to play him more or let him walk. Either option is good news for Green owners.

He's already had a couple of games like this in the past, but then completely disappears afterwards. No idea why the coaching staff doesn't use him more, even when Gates is playing.

Just for fun, I'd like to point out that this isn't really true.

In his three year career prior to yesterday:

-he has had 6 targets only twice

-he has never had 5 receptions

-he has equaled or topped 74 yards twice

-he has topped 74 yards with a TD once

So no, he hasn't really had a couple games like this in the past. The fact that he's only had two games with six targets is probably the reason why he's disappeared in the past after these fictitious similar games.

Just for fun, I'd like to point out that it really is. During 3 consecutive games in 2013, he went 4/5 for 81 yards 0 TDs, 3/5 for 80 yards and 1 TD, and 2/6 for 45 yards and 1 TD. His next 3 games, 0 targets combined.

 

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Nearly a 35 inch Vert on a 6'6 guy is decent.

Sure, I'd say it's better than decent, but still not freakish. Same goes for just about all of his other measurables.

 

[Milkman]

Well that's why the best thing for Ladarius Green owners to see is Green signing somewhere else after this season. I'm not saying he's a lock to blow up obviously but Rivers doesn't look his way much despite the fact that over a limited sample going to Green has been very successful.

 

[cstu]

Nearly a 35 inch Vert on a 6'6 guy is decent.

Sure, I'd say it's better than decent, but still not freakish. Same goes for just about all of his other measurables.

What are your thoughts on DGB?

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Nearly a 35 inch Vert on a 6'6 guy is decent.

Sure, I'd say it's better than decent, but still not freakish. Same goes for just about all of his other measurables.

Freakish may or may not be the right word, but he is definitely an elite athlete for his size. He is in the 95th percentile for TEs in broad jump, 96 percentile for the 40 yard dash, and 88 percentile for the 10 yard dash. On top of that, his arm length is in the 92 percentile - I know that doesnt speak to athleticism, but it sure helps to bring in red zone looks.

Link - http://www.mockdraftable.com/player/100/

 

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Well that's why the best thing for Ladarius Green owners to see is Green signing somewhere else after this season. I'm not saying he's a lock to blow up obviously but Rivers doesn't look his way much despite the fact that over a limited sample going to Green has been very successful.

both him and gates are free agents after this year.

 

[Milkman]

He should run to a team with an elite QB. GB would be nice. NO would be pretty sweet too.

 

[FF Ninja]

A couple more games like that and SD will have to play him more or let him walk. Either option is good news for Green owners.

He's already had a couple of games like this in the past, but then completely disappears afterwards. No idea why the coaching staff doesn't use him more, even when Gates is playing.

Just for fun, I'd like to point out that this isn't really true.

In his three year career prior to yesterday:

-he has had 6 targets only twice

-he has never had 5 receptions

-he has equaled or topped 74 yards twice

-he has topped 74 yards with a TD once

So no, he hasn't really had a couple games like this in the past. The fact that he's only had two games with six targets is probably the reason why he's disappeared in the past after these fictitious similar games.

pretty obvious OP meant green's had other games where he was heavily involved in the game plan, not that he's specifically had several games where he had 74+ yds and a score.

it's little disingenuous to make it sound like he's only had one game like this. there are several games where he got 5 or 6 targets and went for 60+ yards, which is pretty involved for a tight end and even more so for a tight end who's been backing up one of the all time greats his first three years in the league.

Not really. He was just blustering about, assuming he'd had some big games, but really Green has ALWAYS been an afterthought. This is his first chance at being the guy and he's 1-for-1 so it's a bit disingenuous to pretend like he's been here before and fizzled out. He's been a backup tight end. Nobody can name a backup TE who HASN'T completely disappeared for a stretch of several games. That's how it goes. Pointing out that a backup TE has had stats and then hasn't had stats is akin to pointing out that water feels wet. Not very astute.

A couple more games like that and SD will have to play him more or let him walk. Either option is good news for Green owners.

He's already had a couple of games like this in the past, but then completely disappears afterwards. No idea why the coaching staff doesn't use him more, even when Gates is playing.

Just for fun, I'd like to point out that this isn't really true.

In his three year career prior to yesterday:

-he has had 6 targets only twice

-he has never had 5 receptions

-he has equaled or topped 74 yards twice

-he has topped 74 yards with a TD once

So no, he hasn't really had a couple games like this in the past. The fact that he's only had two games with six targets is probably the reason why he's disappeared in the past after these fictitious similar games.

Just for fun, I'd like to point out that it really is. During 3 consecutive games in 2013, he went 4/5 for 81 yards 0 TDs, 3/5 for 80 yards and 1 TD, and 2/6 for 45 yards and 1 TD. His next 3 games, 0 targets combined.

As I mentioned above, this is just a pointless assertion on your part. He's always been a backup to a hall of famer and thus has only gotten 6 targets twice in his career. To expect some sort of consistency is just... let's say "misguided". Especially when you consider that the game plan/execution was totally different in the three games where the backup TE only got 2 targets (not sure why you said 0 targets) than the previous three games. The games in which he got 16 targets were two losses and a shootout (41-38) where Rivers threw the ball 110 times. The next three games they won, two by a wide margin and Rivers only threw the ball 77 times in those three games. To most, it would seem perfectly natural for the backup to play a smaller role, but feel free to deduce whatever you want about him "disappearing".

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Games where Green had 5+ targets:

 T  R  Yd  Yd/Re TD 6  2  45  22.50  1 6  4  64  16.00  0 6  5  74  14.80  1 5  4  81  20.25  0 5  3  80  26.67  1 5  4  60  15.00  033 22 404  18.36  3

3.67 catches for 67 yards and .5 TDs per game. AKA 13.4ppg in PPR leagues.

 

[Milkman]

Games where Green had 5+ targets:

T R Yd Yd/Re TD 6 2 45 22.50 1 6 4 64 16.00 0 6 5 74 14.80 1 5 4 81 20.25 0 5 3 80 26.67 1 5 4 60 15.00 033 22 404 18.36 33.67 catches for 67 yards and .5 TDs per game. AKA 13.4ppg in PPR leagues.

Thank you for these stats. I was going to look this up later. He steps up everytime they target him. No reason why SD shouldn't have targeted Green 6+ times every game. It's not like they're loaded with receiving talent.

 

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A couple more games like that and SD will have to play him more or let him walk. Either option is good news for Green owners.

He's already had a couple of games like this in the past, but then completely disappears afterwards. No idea why the coaching staff doesn't use him more, even when Gates is playing.

Just for fun, I'd like to point out that this isn't really true.

In his three year career prior to yesterday:

-he has had 6 targets only twice

-he has never had 5 receptions

-he has equaled or topped 74 yards twice

-he has topped 74 yards with a TD once

So no, he hasn't really had a couple games like this in the past. The fact that he's only had two games with six targets is probably the reason why he's disappeared in the past after these fictitious similar games.

pretty obvious OP meant green's had other games where he was heavily involved in the game plan, not that he's specifically had several games where he had 74+ yds and a score.

it's little disingenuous to make it sound like he's only had one game like this. there are several games where he got 5 or 6 targets and went for 60+ yards, which is pretty involved for a tight end and even more so for a tight end who's been backing up one of the all time greats his first three years in the league.

Not really. He was just blustering about, assuming he'd had some big games, but really Green has ALWAYS been an afterthought. This is his first chance at being the guy and he's 1-for-1 so it's a bit disingenuous to pretend like he's been here before and fizzled out. He's been a backup tight end. Nobody can name a backup TE who HASN'T completely disappeared for a stretch of several games. That's how it goes. Pointing out that a backup TE has had stats and then hasn't had stats is akin to pointing out that water feels wet. Not very astute.

A couple more games like that and SD will have to play him more or let him walk. Either option is good news for Green owners.

He's already had a couple of games like this in the past, but then completely disappears afterwards. No idea why the coaching staff doesn't use him more, even when Gates is playing.

Just for fun, I'd like to point out that this isn't really true.

In his three year career prior to yesterday:

-he has had 6 targets only twice

-he has never had 5 receptions

-he has equaled or topped 74 yards twice

-he has topped 74 yards with a TD once

So no, he hasn't really had a couple games like this in the past. The fact that he's only had two games with six targets is probably the reason why he's disappeared in the past after these fictitious similar games.

Just for fun, I'd like to point out that it really is. During 3 consecutive games in 2013, he went 4/5 for 81 yards 0 TDs, 3/5 for 80 yards and 1 TD, and 2/6 for 45 yards and 1 TD. His next 3 games, 0 targets combined.

As I mentioned above, this is just a pointless assertion on your part. He's always been a backup to a hall of famer and thus has only gotten 6 targets twice in his career. To expect some sort of consistency is just... let's say "misguided". Especially when you consider that the game plan/execution was totally different in the three games where the backup TE only got 2 targets (not sure why you said 0 targets) than the previous three games. The games in which he got 16 targets were two losses and a shootout (41-38) where Rivers threw the ball 110 times. The next three games they won, two by a wide margin and Rivers only threw the ball 77 times in those three games. To most, it would seem perfectly natural for the backup to play a smaller role, but feel free to deduce whatever you want about him "disappearing".

When you are proven wrong, the assertion is "pointless" and "not very astute". I suppose you think that makes your incorrect assertion astute?

 

[Gr00vus]

Games where Green had 5+ targets:

T R Yd Yd/Re TD 6 2 45 22.50 1 6 4 64 16.00 0 6 5 74 14.80 1 5 4 81 20.25 0 5 3 80 26.67 1 5 4 60 15.00 033 22 404 18.36 33.67 catches for 67 yards and .5 TDs per game. AKA 13.4ppg in PPR leagues.

Thank you for these stats. I was going to look this up later. He steps up everytime they target him. No reason why SD shouldn't have targeted Green 6+ times every game. It's not like they're loaded with receiving talent.

Actually, this season is probably the best cast of receivers the Chargers have had in a while even though there's no Vincent Jackson among them. It was nice to see Green get some targets and cash in on them. I hope it continues, but I wouldn't expect him to dominate targets at any point this year. I could see a multi TD game out of him at some point this season though. Gates returning will definitely put a damper on things for Green this year. At that point, Rivers will have quite a few options to choose from, of which I'd figure Green will be pretty far down the list.

 

[Milkman]

Games where Green had 5+ targets:

T R Yd Yd/Re TD 6 2 45 22.50 1 6 4 64 16.00 0 6 5 74 14.80 1 5 4 81 20.25 0 5 3 80 26.67 1 5 4 60 15.00 033 22 404 18.36 33.67 catches for 67 yards and .5 TDs per game. AKA 13.4ppg in PPR leagues.

Thank you for these stats. I was going to look this up later. He steps up everytime they target him. No reason why SD shouldn't have targeted Green 6+ times every game. It's not like they're loaded with receiving talent.

Actually, this season is probably the best cast of receivers the Chargers have had in a while even though there's no Vincent Jackson among them. It was nice to see Green get some targets and cash in on them. I hope it continues, but I wouldn't expect him to dominate targets at any point this year. I could see a multi TD game out of him at some point this season though. Gates returning will definitely put a damper on things for Green this year. At that point, Rivers will have quite a few options to choose from, of which I'd figure Green will be pretty far down the list.

For the love of God let him walk then.

 

[Gr00vus]

Games where Green had 5+ targets:

T R Yd Yd/Re TD 6 2 45 22.50 1 6 4 64 16.00 0 6 5 74 14.80 1 5 4 81 20.25 0 5 3 80 26.67 1 5 4 60 15.00 033 22 404 18.36 33.67 catches for 67 yards and .5 TDs per game. AKA 13.4ppg in PPR leagues.

Thank you for these stats. I was going to look this up later. He steps up everytime they target him. No reason why SD shouldn't have targeted Green 6+ times every game. It's not like they're loaded with receiving talent.

Actually, this season is probably the best cast of receivers the Chargers have had in a while even though there's no Vincent Jackson among them. It was nice to see Green get some targets and cash in on them. I hope it continues, but I wouldn't expect him to dominate targets at any point this year. I could see a multi TD game out of him at some point this season though. Gates returning will definitely put a damper on things for Green this year. At that point, Rivers will have quite a few options to choose from, of which I'd figure Green will be pretty far down the list.

For the love of God let him walk then.

I don't think the Chargers will. Gates doesn't have much left. Plus, Green is a good run blocker for a TE. Also, Malcom Floyd is retiring at the end of the season. Could be an opportunity there for Green to pick up another target or two if they don't find someone who would demand focus there. A lot will depend on how this season goes. If Rivers gets comfortable with Green, I certainly don't see him leaving. And in truth, that's the best case scenario for Green owners.

 

[Milkman]

Games where Green had 5+ targets:

T R Yd Yd/Re TD 6 2 45 22.50 1 6 4 64 16.00 0 6 5 74 14.80 1 5 4 81 20.25 0 5 3 80 26.67 1 5 4 60 15.00 033 22 404 18.36 33.67 catches for 67 yards and .5 TDs per game. AKA 13.4ppg in PPR leagues.

Thank you for these stats. I was going to look this up later. He steps up everytime they target him. No reason why SD shouldn't have targeted Green 6+ times every game. It's not like they're loaded with receiving talent.

Actually, this season is probably the best cast of receivers the Chargers have had in a while even though there's no Vincent Jackson among them. It was nice to see Green get some targets and cash in on them. I hope it continues, but I wouldn't expect him to dominate targets at any point this year. I could see a multi TD game out of him at some point this season though. Gates returning will definitely put a damper on things for Green this year. At that point, Rivers will have quite a few options to choose from, of which I'd figure Green will be pretty far down the list.

For the love of God let him walk then.

I don't think the Chargers will. Gates doesn't have much left. Plus, Green is a good run blocker for a TE. Also, Malcom Floyd is retiring at the end of the season. Could be an opportunity there for Green to pick up another target or two if they don't find someone who would demand focus there. A lot will depend on how this season goes. If Rivers gets comfortable with Green, I certainly don't see him leaving. And in truth, that's the best case scenario for Green owners.

I know you know the Chargers but Green staying in SD would be a nightmare unless Rivers wants to target him on a regular basis. If I'm Green I'd be talking to the coaching staff about usage before I signed with them. Everytime they ask him to play a more prominent role in the offense he flashes. Either give him the ball or see ya later.

 

[Gr00vus]

I know you know the Chargers but Green staying in SD would be a nightmare unless Rivers wants to target him on a regular basis. If I'm Green I'd be talking to the coaching staff about usage before I signed with them. Everytime they ask him to play a more prominent role in the offense he flashes. Either give him the ball or see ya later.

True. This year will be telling, as will the contract offer (assuming there is one), the Chargers present to him. But if you're a dynasty guy, you've got to hold Green and be patient regardless.

ETA: Throughout the preseason both Rivers and Gates had positive things to say about Green. Gates intimated that he is taking a mentorship role with Green. I think Rivers just needs to develop some trust with Green in the passing game - knowing he'll be where expected, will know what adjustments to make, etc. Yesterday was a good step in that direction.

 

[Tau837]

Games where Green had 5+ targets:

T R Yd Yd/Re TD 6 2 45 22.50 1 6 4 64 16.00 0 6 5 74 14.80 1 5 4 81 20.25 0 5 3 80 26.67 1 5 4 60 15.00 033 22 404 18.36 33.67 catches for 67 yards and .5 TDs per game. AKA 13.4ppg in PPR leagues.

Thank you for these stats. I was going to look this up later. He steps up everytime they target him. No reason why SD shouldn't have targeted Green 6+ times every game. It's not like they're loaded with receiving talent.

Actually, this season is probably the best cast of receivers the Chargers have had in a while even though there's no Vincent Jackson among them. It was nice to see Green get some targets and cash in on them. I hope it continues, but I wouldn't expect him to dominate targets at any point this year. I could see a multi TD game out of him at some point this season though. Gates returning will definitely put a damper on things for Green this year. At that point, Rivers will have quite a few options to choose from, of which I'd figure Green will be pretty far down the list.

For the love of God let him walk then.

I don't think the Chargers will. Gates doesn't have much left. Plus, Green is a good run blocker for a TE. Also, Malcom Floyd is retiring at the end of the season. Could be an opportunity there for Green to pick up another target or two if they don't find someone who would demand focus there. A lot will depend on how this season goes. If Rivers gets comfortable with Green, I certainly don't see him leaving. And in truth, that's the best case scenario for Green owners.

I know you know the Chargers but Green staying in SD would be a nightmare unless Rivers wants to target him on a regular basis. If I'm Green I'd be talking to the coaching staff about usage before I signed with them. Everytime they ask him to play a more prominent role in the offense he flashes. Either give him the ball or see ya later.

Gates could retire after this season. If so, Green inherits his targets. There are probably very few, if any, better situations than that, with Rivers at QB.

 

[FF Ninja]

A couple more games like that and SD will have to play him more or let him walk. Either option is good news for Green owners.

He's already had a couple of games like this in the past, but then completely disappears afterwards. No idea why the coaching staff doesn't use him more, even when Gates is playing.

Just for fun, I'd like to point out that this isn't really true.

In his three year career prior to yesterday:

-he has had 6 targets only twice

-he has never had 5 receptions

-he has equaled or topped 74 yards twice

-he has topped 74 yards with a TD once

So no, he hasn't really had a couple games like this in the past. The fact that he's only had two games with six targets is probably the reason why he's disappeared in the past after these fictitious similar games.

pretty obvious OP meant green's had other games where he was heavily involved in the game plan, not that he's specifically had several games where he had 74+ yds and a score.

it's little disingenuous to make it sound like he's only had one game like this. there are several games where he got 5 or 6 targets and went for 60+ yards, which is pretty involved for a tight end and even more so for a tight end who's been backing up one of the all time greats his first three years in the league.

Not really. He was just blustering about, assuming he'd had some big games, but really Green has ALWAYS been an afterthought. This is his first chance at being the guy and he's 1-for-1 so it's a bit disingenuous to pretend like he's been here before and fizzled out. He's been a backup tight end. Nobody can name a backup TE who HASN'T completely disappeared for a stretch of several games. That's how it goes. Pointing out that a backup TE has had stats and then hasn't had stats is akin to pointing out that water feels wet. Not very astute.

A couple more games like that and SD will have to play him more or let him walk. Either option is good news for Green owners.

He's already had a couple of games like this in the past, but then completely disappears afterwards. No idea why the coaching staff doesn't use him more, even when Gates is playing.

Just for fun, I'd like to point out that this isn't really true.

In his three year career prior to yesterday:

-he has had 6 targets only twice

-he has never had 5 receptions

-he has equaled or topped 74 yards twice

-he has topped 74 yards with a TD once

So no, he hasn't really had a couple games like this in the past. The fact that he's only had two games with six targets is probably the reason why he's disappeared in the past after these fictitious similar games.

Just for fun, I'd like to point out that it really is. During 3 consecutive games in 2013, he went 4/5 for 81 yards 0 TDs, 3/5 for 80 yards and 1 TD, and 2/6 for 45 yards and 1 TD. His next 3 games, 0 targets combined.

As I mentioned above, this is just a pointless assertion on your part. He's always been a backup to a hall of famer and thus has only gotten 6 targets twice in his career. To expect some sort of consistency is just... let's say "misguided". Especially when you consider that the game plan/execution was totally different in the three games where the backup TE only got 2 targets (not sure why you said 0 targets) than the previous three games. The games in which he got 16 targets were two losses and a shootout (41-38) where Rivers threw the ball 110 times. The next three games they won, two by a wide margin and Rivers only threw the ball 77 times in those three games. To most, it would seem perfectly natural for the backup to play a smaller role, but feel free to deduce whatever you want about him "disappearing".

When you are proven wrong, the assertion is "pointless" and "not very astute". I suppose you think that makes your incorrect assertion astute?

Um, wat? How did you prove me wrong? What you said didn't refute anything I said. He had a span of 3 decent games, but it didn't change the fact that he hasn't had "a couple games like this" in the past. This was only the third time he's gotten six targets and the first time he's had 5 receptions. But yes, even if he had, it would be one of the most pointless observations of all time. Of course a backup TE is going to "disappear" statistically at times. That's one of the biggest "no **** sherlock" statements anyone could make. Thanks for the astute observation. Do you have a blog I could follow?

My assertion is that this was the first of four unique opportunities for him and he's 1-for-1. And that disappearing statistically when in a backup role is not abnormal at all and thus not the least bit noteworthy.

 

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Nearly a 35 inch Vert on a 6'6 guy is decent.

Sure, I'd say it's better than decent, but still not freakish. Same goes for just about all of his other measurables.

What are your thoughts on DGB?

Similar. Intriguing size/measurables, but overrated in the athletic/explosiveness department.

 

[humpback]

Um, wat? How did you prove me wrong? What you said didn't refute anything I said. He had a span of 3 decent games, but it didn't change the fact that he hasn't had "a couple games like this" in the past. This was only the third time he's gotten six targets and the first time he's had 5 receptions. But yes, even if he had, it would be one of the most pointless observations of all time. Of course a backup TE is going to "disappear" statistically at times. That's one of the biggest "no **** sherlock" statements anyone could make. Thanks for the astute observation. Do you have a blog I could follow?
My assertion is that this was the first of four unique opportunities for him and he's 1-for-1. And that disappearing statistically when in a backup role is not abnormal at all and thus not the least bit noteworthy.

I'm assuming this is schtick at this point- you can't possibly be arguing that the 3 games I listed weren't "like this".

In case you can't figure it out, the point of my original post was to say that this week wasn't some revelation to the coaching staff. They already know he's capable of this type of performance, since, YES, he's done it before when he's had the opportunity. Just like last time, it seems likely that he'll go back to being an afterthought this year once Gates returns. If they change course and decide to keep him more involved, it won't be because they finally saw what he is capable of this week.

You can keep pretending that hasn't happened if you'd like, but it's an absurd argument to make.

 

[FF Ninja]

Um, wat? How did you prove me wrong? What you said didn't refute anything I said. He had a span of 3 decent games, but it didn't change the fact that he hasn't had "a couple games like this" in the past. This was only the third time he's gotten six targets and the first time he's had 5 receptions. But yes, even if he had, it would be one of the most pointless observations of all time. Of course a backup TE is going to "disappear" statistically at times. That's one of the biggest "no **** sherlock" statements anyone could make. Thanks for the astute observation. Do you have a blog I could follow?
My assertion is that this was the first of four unique opportunities for him and he's 1-for-1. And that disappearing statistically when in a backup role is not abnormal at all and thus not the least bit noteworthy.

I'm assuming this is schtick at this point- you can't possibly be arguing that the 3 games I listed weren't "like this".

In case you can't figure it out, the point of my original post was to say that this week wasn't some revelation to the coaching staff. They already know he's capable of this type of performance, since, YES, he's done it before when he's had the opportunity. Just like last time, it seems likely that he'll go back to being an afterthought this year once Gates returns. If they change course and decide to keep him more involved, it won't be because they finally saw what he is capable of this week.

You can keep pretending that hasn't happened if you'd like, but it's an absurd argument to make.

The point you made was that he's had some nice games before and then disappeared. My main point is that your statement was akin to "water feels wet" since of course a talented backup is going to disappear statistically. Backups are not known for their consistency. I also wanted to highlight just how underutilized he's been for the past three years, by pointing out that this is just the third time he's had that many targets and the first time in his career to record 5 receptions. A very nice start to his 4 game audition for both a larger role when Gates returns and for a paycheck/starting job in 2016.

 

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Um, wat? How did you prove me wrong? What you said didn't refute anything I said. He had a span of 3 decent games, but it didn't change the fact that he hasn't had "a couple games like this" in the past. This was only the third time he's gotten six targets and the first time he's had 5 receptions. But yes, even if he had, it would be one of the most pointless observations of all time. Of course a backup TE is going to "disappear" statistically at times. That's one of the biggest "no **** sherlock" statements anyone could make. Thanks for the astute observation. Do you have a blog I could follow?

My assertion is that this was the first of four unique opportunities for him and he's 1-for-1. And that disappearing statistically when in a backup role is not abnormal at all and thus not the least bit noteworthy.

I'm assuming this is schtick at this point- you can't possibly be arguing that the 3 games I listed weren't "like this".

In case you can't figure it out, the point of my original post was to say that this week wasn't some revelation to the coaching staff. They already know he's capable of this type of performance, since, YES, he's done it before when he's had the opportunity. Just like last time, it seems likely that he'll go back to being an afterthought this year once Gates returns. If they change course and decide to keep him more involved, it won't be because they finally saw what he is capable of this week.

You can keep pretending that hasn't happened if you'd like, but it's an absurd argument to make.

The point you made was that he's had some nice games before and then disappeared. My main point is that your statement was akin to "water feels wet" since of course a talented backup is going to disappear statistically. Backups are not known for their consistency. I also wanted to highlight just how underutilized he's been for the past three years, by pointing out that this is just the third time he's had that many targets and the first time in his career to record 5 receptions. A very nice start to his 4 game audition for both a larger role when Gates returns and for a paycheck/starting job in 2016.

My post was in response to "A couple more games like that and SD will have to play him more or let him walk". I simply pointed out that he has had games like that in the past, and it didn't lead them to playing him more. Then you jumped in with your snark, trying to deny that he's had similar games in the past, which obviously is completely ridiculous since he clearly has.

This is a silly tangent, I'm not interested in arguing just for the sake of it.

 

[Scooby1974]

A couple more games like that and SD will have to play him more or let him walk. Either option is good news for Green owners.

He's already had a couple of games like this in the past, but then completely disappears afterwards. No idea why the coaching staff doesn't use him more, even when Gates is playing.

Just for fun, I'd like to point out that this isn't really true.

In his three year career prior to yesterday:

-he has had 6 targets only twice

-he has never had 5 receptions

-he has equaled or topped 74 yards twice

-he has topped 74 yards with a TD once

So no, he hasn't really had a couple games like this in the past. The fact that he's only had two games with six targets is probably the reason why he's disappeared in the past after these fictitious similar games.

The bold has a tad to do with that guy named Gates...arguably the best TE to play the game...playing in front of him.

 

[Tau837]

Bad news for Green. It was reported yesterday that he suffered another concussion. Per local (San Diego) talk radio this morning, it is his second concussion in 11 days and third in 9 months.

If the reports are accurate that he suffered 2 concussions within the past 2 weeks, I assume there is no chance he plays this week and maybe not next week either. Then Gates is back. So his opportunity this season may be over.

More importantly, 3 concussions in 9 months suggests to me that no other team is going to sign him to be a starting TE. It is possible if Gates retires that the Chargers would re-sign him and start him, given their familiarity with him, but who knows if Gates will retire after this season.

Bottom line, based on this development, his fantasy value just took a big hit, both redraft and dynasty.

 

[Milkman]

It makes you wonder why they rushed him back if getting another concussion was potentially career ending.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Bad news for Green. It was reported yesterday that he suffered another concussion. Per local (San Diego) talk radio this morning, it is his second concussion in 11 days and third in 9 months.

If the reports are accurate that he suffered 2 concussions within the past 2 weeks, I assume there is no chance he plays this week and maybe not next week either. Then Gates is back. So his opportunity this season may be over.

More importantly, 3 concussions in 9 months suggests to me that no other team is going to sign him to be a starting TE. It is possible if Gates retires that the Chargers would re-sign him and start him, given their familiarity with him, but who knows if Gates will retire after this season.

Bottom line, based on this development, his fantasy value just took a big hit, both redraft and dynasty.

Agree. I was surprised they let him play so soon after the one he suffered midweek in practice. Really dumb. No way he plays this week.

 

[NREC34]

Gronk owner that drafted him to cover week 4.

Get well soon buddy...

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Except both times he was back on the field really quickly and it sounds like he may play again this week. IMO it doesn't add up unless one (or both) were both precautionary.

ETA: or the Chargers are playing fast and loose with concussions -- which doesn't seem very likely in 2015.

 

[Shutout]

Bad news for Green. It was reported yesterday that he suffered another concussion. Per local (San Diego) talk radio this morning, it is his second concussion in 11 days and third in 9 months.

If the reports are accurate that he suffered 2 concussions within the past 2 weeks, I assume there is no chance he plays this week and maybe not next week either. Then Gates is back. So his opportunity this season may be over.

More importantly, 3 concussions in 9 months suggests to me that no other team is going to sign him to be a starting TE. It is possible if Gates retires that the Chargers would re-sign him and start him, given their familiarity with him, but who knows if Gates will retire after this season.

Bottom line, based on this development, his fantasy value just took a big hit, both redraft and dynasty.

Agree. I was surprised they let him play so soon after the one he suffered midweek in practice. Really dumb. No way he plays this week.

We live in a FF world where concussions scare me much more than ACLs these days. Having multiple concussions that close together concern me big time if I own Green.

 

[MattFancy]

Bad news for Green. It was reported yesterday that he suffered another concussion. Per local (San Diego) talk radio this morning, it is his second concussion in 11 days and third in 9 months.

If the reports are accurate that he suffered 2 concussions within the past 2 weeks, I assume there is no chance he plays this week and maybe not next week either. Then Gates is back. So his opportunity this season may be over.

More importantly, 3 concussions in 9 months suggests to me that no other team is going to sign him to be a starting TE. It is possible if Gates retires that the Chargers would re-sign him and start him, given their familiarity with him, but who knows if Gates will retire after this season.

Bottom line, based on this development, his fantasy value just took a big hit, both redraft and dynasty.

Agree. I was surprised they let him play so soon after the one he suffered midweek in practice. Really dumb. No way he plays this week.

We live in a FF world where concussions scare me much more than ACLs these days. Having multiple concussions that close together concern me big time if I own Green.

I just dropped him for Gilmore. Though, I dropped him the last time and he ended up playing. But 2 concussions in 11 days shouldn't be overlooked.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Ladarius Green said he's still dealing with concussion symptoms.
Green was limited in practice and is listed as questionable despite two concussions in an 11-day span. He's reportedly "still experiencing headaches" and has "no clue" if he'll be cleared for contact. The Chargers have yet to rule out Green, but their roster moves this week have his status in doubt.

Source: Union-Tribune San Diego
Sep 25 - 9:28 PM

 

[TDorBust]

No updates? Looking at him for start on Gronks bye week.

 

[TwinTurbo]

No updates? Looking at him for start on Gronks bye week.

They waived Kyle Miller after signing him just a few days ago. So maybe they feel better about Green playing now. They would be down to only two active TE on the roster if Green is out. I think that means Green will play. If they re-sign another TE before the game, then Green is likely out.

 

[Otis]

Been waiting on this guy for years. It may finally be time to cut bait and move on.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Been waiting on this guy for years. It may finally be time to cut bait and move on.

That seems like a mistake to me. What have you been waiting for? Gates to retire or Green to become a free agent? Well... both are about to happen.

Another concussion this season, and I may change my tune...but this is hold/acquire time for Green IMO. Definitely acquire time if there are others out there who share your frustrations.

 

[cstu]

I thought Jordan Reed was done with all the concussions but he seems fine. Wait it out with LG.

 

[Ladsud]

Antonio Gates (knee), WR Keenan Allen (hip) missing second straight practice. Philip Rivers working without a couple favorite targets.

15-20 targets for Green sunday?

 

[cockroach]

Gates might only practice a handful of times over the rest of the season.

 

[Milkman]

Even if Gates and Allen don't play they will pull somebody off the street and give that person 3X the targets they give Green. 7 targets max.

 

[gadkins]

I was watching the game when Gates hurt his knee last week. It kind of looked like he wouldn't be able to play this week. The look on his face made it seem like it was something bad.

 

[FF Ninja]

So is this a high ankle sprain or what? With Allen vacating 12 targets a game, he could see a nice boost in value if he's healthy.

 

[Milkman]

Probably because I own him and I'm not allowed to have nice things. Besides it's not like he's going to play Allen's position so i don't see a huge increase anyway. Maybe a small bump.....

 

[Tau837]

So is this a high ankle sprain or what? With Allen vacating 12 targets a game, he could see a nice boost in value if he's healthy.

I seriously doubt it.

1. Allen has averaged 11.1 targets per game, and that number is skewed high by time missed by Gates, Stevie, et al.

2. Inman stands to get the largest increase in playing time, since Allen, Floyd, and Stevie have been on the field for most snaps, with Inman playing mainly when one of them was hurt.

3. The Chargers probably will not hold their pace that projects to 708 passing attempts for the season. I'm guessing they drop to "just" 41 attempts per game the rest of the way. If so, and if all remaining players stay healthy the rest of the way, I'd break it down like this:

9 Gates

7 Stevie

6 Woodhead

5 Floyd

5 Inman

5 Green

2 Gordon

1 Oliver

1 Phillips

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Been pretty quiet as far as his ankle goes. Haven't seen anything on it since Sunday.

 

[FF Ninja]

So is this a high ankle sprain or what? With Allen vacating 12 targets a game, he could see a nice boost in value if he's healthy.

I seriously doubt it.

1. Allen has averaged 11.1 targets per game, and that number is skewed high by time missed by Gates, Stevie, et al.

2. Inman stands to get the largest increase in playing time, since Allen, Floyd, and Stevie have been on the field for most snaps, with Inman playing mainly when one of them was hurt.

3. The Chargers probably will not hold their pace that projects to 708 passing attempts for the season. I'm guessing they drop to "just" 41 attempts per game the rest of the way. If so, and if all remaining players stay healthy the rest of the way, I'd break it down like this:

9 Gates

7 Stevie

6 Woodhead

5 Floyd

5 Inman

5 Green

2 Gordon

1 Oliver

1 Phillips

Fair points - I do agree the attempts will decrease. However:

1. Allen averaged 12.0 targets per game through his 6 healthy games. He had 5 targets through 2 quarters in week 7.

2. Inman will likely only be on the field when they go 3WR. Before Green's injury, they had used a fair amount of 2 TE sets (week 6 Green played 70% of snaps, Gates played 75%). Hard to know if they'd increase those or would prefer 3WR.

3. 9 targets per game would be a career high for Gates (16g pace of 144). Actually, in 2005 he had 140 in 15 games. But through most of his career he's gotten about 7. But this would be a career high in attempts for Rivers, so maybe it is possible. Just seems like a lot of an old, slow TE playing limited snaps.

I still think there's a chance he at least regains the value he had before Gates' return.

 

[Tau837]

2. Inman will likely only be on the field when they go 3WR. Before Green's injury, they had used a fair amount of 2 TE sets (week 6 Green played 70% of snaps, Gates played 75%). Hard to know if they'd increase those or would prefer 3WR.

Hard to really know how much of what the Chargers have done with respect to 3 WR vs 2 TE was driven by what they want to do vs what they had to do due to injuries. For example, you mention week 6 here, and Stevie Johnson missed that game. Despite that and despite the snaps you mentioned, Inman had 7 targets and Green had 4 in week 6.

3. 9 targets per game would be a career high for Gates (16g pace of 144). Actually, in 2005 he had 140 in 15 games. But through most of his career he's gotten about 7. But this would be a career high in attempts for Rivers, so maybe it is possible. Just seems like a lot of an old, slow TE playing limited snaps.

Well, he had 11 targets in his first game back in week 5, followed by 16 targets in week 6. After getting hurt at the end of the game in week 6, he missed the game in week 7 and played week 8 at less than 100% and got just 5 targets. That is an average of just under 11 targets per game so far, albeit on very small sample size.

I still think there's a chance he at least regains the value he had before Gates' return.

Excluding last week since he left so early, he has averaged 4.5/52/0.7 per game on just 6 targets per game. However, in the 2 healthy games Gates played, weeks 5 and 6, Green's targets dropped slightly, with just 9 targets in those 2 games. So his average of 6 targets will likely drop, especially if passing attempts drop.

IMO if Gates remains healthy the rest of the season, Green will not match his production this season to date. If Gates misses time, combined with Allen being out, Green would get a nice bump.

 

[Milkman]

I predict SD continues to lose games as well. Lol

8 more games until Ladarius Green is free!

 

[cstu]

I predict SD continues to lose games as well. Lol

8 more games until Ladarius Green is free!*

*Patriots I hope.