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Ladell Betts Owners (1 Viewer)
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If Portis goes down, are you going to feel comfortable starting Dunn? Complete garbage. Foster? Garbage. And how can you possibly compare Marion Barber with Betts? Considering there's not a SINGLE draft where Betts went ahead of Barber.I posted something along these lines in another thread after having gone through a draft. It is utterly ridiculous the value and STARTING RBs some people left on the board to reach for Betts. As a Portis owner in several leagues, I have to say I would love to have his handcuff. Not at the expense of starting RBs however. I walked away from one draft with 5 starting RBs simply because of this.So you (or people you are defending) drafted a back up RB in the 7th round?Again, look at who you (or people you are defending) could have had.... think Lamont Jordan in the 7th round
Sweetness_34
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I just won this past week starting Jamal Lewis as my RB3 in a start 2 RBs and 1 flex league.....are you kidding me? Oh and I drafted Jamal after someone took Betts in front me ....yes I have Portis too.....
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
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Yah, that's a good trade for you. None of those backups are obviously worth starting on their own, but out of the 3, if they do get their chance, we KNOW Betts can be productive. Some may believe this and that about those other two but it's certainly not as definitive as what we saw from Betts last year.I drafted Portis, but the guy who drafted LJ and Benson grabbed Betts before I could . . . so I drafted Peterson and Bennett and offered to trade handcuffs. He's considering it.I have Portis and have started him the past two weeks and I am now going to target Betts. Picking up the handcuff was too expensive for me but right now I'm gonna throw a couple offers at the guy in our league. He's hurting a little bit at RB and I'm gonna offer him either Foster from Carolina or Bell from Detroit.Neither are setting the world on fire either but.....just sitting on Betts and sitting on Betts might be painful for him. I'd like to have Betts just in case because unless I'm really hurting, I wouldn't be starting either of the guys I mentioned.All those that drafted Betts in the 7th round or so, you could have had Lamont Jordan instead.Are you convinced now that Portis is the man in Wash or are you still delusional about Betts 1000 yard season last year?Portis has 170 yards and 2 TDs in 2 games....and it will only get better for us Portis owners as Portis gets more and more into game shape.
jurb26
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I can tell you that I won 2 leagues primarily because I had J. Lewis and Portis starting this week while somebody else drafted Betts ahead of Lewis under the 2 year and running fair tail that "Lewis is done." So yes, maybe Betts will have value later in the year IF Portis gets hurt. The fact of the matter is Lewis and several of the other RBs you could have had already proved that value.PlebsforPresident
Footballguy
Exactly. Portis owner here. Took him in the mid third, took Betts in the late 7th. Glad I have him, because if Portis goes down my team won't miss a beat. As long as you drafted solidly elsewhere then it isn't much of a sacrifice to spend a 7th round pick securing production out of your second RB spot no matter what.
Sweetness_34
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I saw 2 drafts where Barber was left on board for Betts. I do not play in those leagues but I saw them first hand (one of my best friend plays in them and I always go with him for his drafts).If Portis goes down, are you going to feel comfortable starting Dunn? Complete garbage. Foster? Garbage. And how can you possibly compare Marion Barber with Betts? Considering there's not a SINGLE draft where Betts went ahead of Barber.I posted something along these lines in another thread after having gone through a draft. It is utterly ridiculous the value and STARTING RBs some people left on the board to reach for Betts. As a Portis owner in several leagues, I have to say I would love to have his handcuff. Not at the expense of starting RBs however. I walked away from one draft with 5 starting RBs simply because of this.So you (or people you are defending) drafted a back up RB in the 7th round?
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
If they are never going to start, why have them on your team?
Sweetness_34
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There is nothing wrong in taking Betts if you already have Portis....even then I prefer taking a starting RB over a back up in the 7th round....but I do understand your position and that is not that far fetched....you are hedging your bet. I am talking about people who drafted Betts in the 7th WITHOUT having Portis on their team. They were PURELY trying to get lucky like Larry Johnson/Priest Holmes.....
jurb26
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You are asking this question yet advocating the drafting of Betts ahead of starting NFL RBs?If they are never going to start, why have them on your team?
Ummm, I did start Lewis this week. Not that it matters to the argument.1huskerfan
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you clinched in week 2?And a TD. That won two leagues for me. I am very happy.yeah, I mean, 17-69 for Portis was an outstanding night!All those that drafted Betts in the 7th round or so, you could have had Lamont Jordan instead.Are you convinced now that Portis is the man in Wash or are you still delusional about Betts 1000 yard season last year?Portis has 170 yards and 2 TDs in 2 games....and it will only get better for us Portis owners as Portis gets more and more into game shape.
Burning Sensation
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Dunn is one hell of a starter...not. Betts has more upside than Dunn or Foster, who cares if they are starters, they're not making the lineup in any decent team. When Portis misses some time, Betts will see the lineup in a lot of teams.I guess you're not following too well. He does not have his backup, only 3 other starting RBs who didn't need an injury to get there in the 1st place.Who said I drafted him in the 7th? You evidently have Portis who is not exactly the ironman, so if he goes down you lose your #2 RB and you don't have his backup, one of 2 backups worth drafting.So you (or people you are defending) drafted a back up RB in the 7th round?
Burning Sensation
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I didnt advocate drafting Betts there, i said people should be drafting their QB their, maybe WR3, even a TE.Edit to add, if i owned Portis i would be more likely to take Betts rather than Lewis, Green, Bell etc.You are asking this question yet advocating the drafting of Betts ahead of starting NFL RBs?If they are never going to start, why have them on your team?
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Sweetness_34
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True, but the difference between this year and last is Portis was the feature back. This year he's not soley the RB and won't be nearly as beat up. There's always a chance to get hurt, it takes just one play but if you're fresh and not taking hit after hit, it's at least less likely he'll be injured or it will certainly take longer.As weird as this may sound. If you're a Betts owner, you actually want Portis just to get all the carries. You can't start Ladell Betts right now, you just can't. So, until Portis gets hurt, if that is indeed your angle than you want him in there as often as he can be. Run him 30 times a game would be my philosophy.If he's just running 15 to 20 times.....I think the odds are in his favor to not get hurt, certainly compared to last year.Sweetness,For the record, I own neither of them. That said, the prospect of you being seriously
mad sweeney
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You said Betts is more than a backup, I'm saying this year he is just a backup. He's talented backup and will do well IF Portis goes down, but counting on that in the 6-8th round is bad drafting strategy IMO. Portis is not glass, his knee is fine, his injuries last year were more or less flukes and he's no more injury prone than any other RB in the league. And so far this year, Portis has been far and away the better back. And today's touches prove that that's what Gibbs sees as well, relegating BEtts to what he is, a back up. In the rounds Betts was drafted in, you could have gotten starters that were backups for your ff teams instead of backups that need help to become backups on your ff team. I rode Betts to a championship last year but there was no way I am wasting a pick on a guy who I HOPE will get some time when I still have roster spots to fill and there are guys I KNOW will see time still on the board.Okay. So you don't think Betts is more than just an average backup?This year, he sees he has a backup. 17 carries to 6, 3:1 ratio = backup. The FB had only 2 less carries than Betts.Gibbs saw last year that he has more than just a backup.And Portis completely outscored him, so did you happen to miss week 1?....it will only get better for Portis as Gibbs sees there is only one RB who is the man on his team and the other is nothing more than a back upDid you happen to miss Week 1?...Betts had more touches than Portis.All those that drafted Betts in the 7th round or so, you could have had Lamont Jordan instead.Are you convinced now that Portis is the man in Wash or are you still delusional about Betts 1000 yard season last year?Portis has 170 yards and 2 TDs in 2 games....and it will only get better for us Portis owners as Portis gets more and more into game shape.
jurb26
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It's round 7 that was being discussed. You could have drafted 3 RBs, 3 WRs and a QB if you wanted to. I know in one of my drafts I went RBI didnt advocate drafting Betts there, i said peiople should be drafting their QB their, maybe WR3, even a TE.You are asking this question yet advocating the drafting of Betts ahead of starting NFL RBs?If they are never going to start, why have them on your team?
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In those cases you have a point, although it only happens in guppie leagues.I saw 2 drafts where Barber was left on board for Betts. I do not play in those leagues but I saw them first hand (one of my best friend plays in them and I always go with him for his drafts).If Portis goes down, are you going to feel comfortable starting Dunn? Complete garbage. Foster? Garbage. And how can you possibly compare Marion Barber with Betts? Considering there's not a SINGLE draft where Betts went ahead of Barber.I posted something along these lines in another thread after having gone through a draft. It is utterly ridiculous the value and STARTING RBs some people left on the board to reach for Betts. As a Portis owner in several leagues, I have to say I would love to have his handcuff. Not at the expense of starting RBs however. I walked away from one draft with 5 starting RBs simply because of this.So you (or people you are defending) drafted a back up RB in the 7th round?
The Man with the Plan
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While I wouldn't be as mean-spirited about it as the OP I have to agree. Think about it this way. It's that spectre of Ladell Betts hanging over Clinton Portis which was one of the reasons that he (Portis) fell in drafts. If you capitalized on that then you're probably doing okay so far.
Sweetness_34
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If you start them against the correct opponents, there is VALUABLE PRODUCTION that will help you win games. Eg: Look at Foster's #s from the Rams-Car game in week 1. I will take that in my flex position any day of the week.....I started Foster and benched Jamal in week 1.... (since Jamal was against Steelers week 1 - easy projection to make).....in week 2 I benched Foster and started Jamal.... (again Cincy D was easy projection to make).....guess what, I got Flex production for 2 weeks that BOTH HELPED ME WIN GAMES THE PAST 2 WEEKS......do you get it now???? All this while Betts was sitting on a bench somewhere. Even if Portis gets injured tonight, guess what......I will always have the 2 wins I would have not had without Jamal or Foster.....now if Portis DOES NOT get injured at all, then do you see how I can win at the flex position in most weeks by selecting match ups....sure there will be weeks when I may start a WR at the flex because I do not like either the Jamal or Foster match up.....but it does not change the fact that they helped me win games 2 weeks in a row....games that will actually HELP me to get to the playoffs.....get it???????Dunn is one hell of a starter...not. Betts has more upside than Dunn or Foster, who cares if they are starters, they're not making the lineup in any decent team. When Portis misses some time, Betts will see the lineup in a lot of teams.I guess you're not following too well. He does not have his backup, only 3 other starting RBs who didn't need an injury to get there in the 1st place.Who said I drafted him in the 7th? You evidently have Portis who is not exactly the ironman, so if he goes down you lose your #2 RB and you don't have his backup, one of 2 backups worth drafting.So you (or people you are defending) drafted a back up RB in the 7th round?Again, look at who you (or people you are defending) could have had.... think Lamont Jordan in the 7th round
moleculo
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of course.Not that anyone cares, but Betts owner here. Also, I led my league in scoring for week 1 and week 2.
The Gator
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I also never mentioned where Betts should or shouldn't be drafted. My response was to this:You said Betts is more than a backup, I'm saying this year he is just a backup. He's talented backup and will do well IF Portis goes down, but counting on that in the 6-8th round is bad drafting strategy IMO. Portis is not glass, his knee is fine, his injuries last year were more or less flukes and he's no more injury prone than any other RB in the league. And so far this year, Portis has been far and away the better back. And today's touches prove that that's what Gibbs sees as well, relegating BEtts to what he is, a back up. In the rounds Betts was drafted in, you could have gotten starters that were backups for your ff teams instead of backups that need help to become backups on your ff team. I rode Betts to a championship last year but there was no way I am wasting a pick on a guy who I HOPE will get some time when I still have roster spots to fill and there are guys I KNOW will see time still on the board.Okay. So you don't think Betts is more than just an average backup?This year, he sees he has a backup. 17 carries to 6, 3:1 ratio = backup. The FB had only 2 less carries than Betts.Gibbs saw last year that he has more than just a backup.And Portis completely outscored him, so did you happen to miss week 1?....it will only get better for Portis as Gibbs sees there is only one RB who is the man on his team and the other is nothing more than a back upDid you happen to miss Week 1?...Betts had more touches than Portis.All those that drafted Betts in the 7th round or so, you could have had Lamont Jordan instead.Are you convinced now that Portis is the man in Wash or are you still delusional about Betts 1000 yard season last year?Portis has 170 yards and 2 TDs in 2 games....and it will only get better for us Portis owners as Portis gets more and more into game shape.
Yes, i believe Betts is more than a back up. That has nothing to do with where he was or wasn't drafted.
Sweetness_34
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No disagreements there. I would not be surprised though if nygiants here drafted Betts before Barber.....after all he predicted ....I mean guaranteed that Portis would be on IR by now.....In those cases you have a point, although it only happens in guppie leagues.I saw 2 drafts where Barber was left on board for Betts. I do not play in those leagues but I saw them first hand (one of my best friend plays in them and I always go with him for his drafts).If Portis goes down, are you going to feel comfortable starting Dunn? Complete garbage. Foster? Garbage. And how can you possibly compare Marion Barber with Betts? Considering there's not a SINGLE draft where Betts went ahead of Barber.I posted something along these lines in another thread after having gone through a draft. It is utterly ridiculous the value and STARTING RBs some people left on the board to reach for Betts. As a Portis owner in several leagues, I have to say I would love to have his handcuff. Not at the expense of starting RBs however. I walked away from one draft with 5 starting RBs simply because of this.So you (or people you are defending) drafted a back up RB in the 7th round?Again, look at who you (or people you are defending) could have had.... think Lamont Jordan in the 7th round
Burning Sensation
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OK, and my point is i would never want to end up starting whichever RB you took in the 7th round. That is exactly what you would have to do if one of your top 2 RB's went down. Assuming Portis is one of those two, and he goes down, Betts>>>>any RB you will get in round 7.It's round 7 that was being discussed. You could have drafted 3 RBs, 3 WRs and a QB if you wanted to. I know in one of my drafts I went RBI didnt advocate drafting Betts there, i said peiople should be drafting their QB their, maybe WR3, even a TE.You are asking this question yet advocating the drafting of Betts ahead of starting NFL RBs?If they are never going to start, why have them on your team?
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Do you just roll up to drafts to hang out?
Sweetness_34
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You said Betts is more than a backup, I'm saying this year he is just a backup. He's talented backup and will do well IF Portis goes down, but counting on that in the 6-8th round is bad drafting strategy IMO. Portis is not glass, his knee is fine, his injuries last year were more or less flukes and he's no more injury prone than any other RB in the league. And so far this year, Portis has been far and away the better back. And today's touches prove that that's what Gibbs sees as well, relegating BEtts to what he is, a back up. In the rounds Betts was drafted in, you could have gotten starters that were backups for your ff teams instead of backups that need help to become backups on your ff team. I rode Betts to a championship last year but there was no way I am wasting a pick on a guy who I HOPE will get some time when I still have roster spots to fill and there are guys I KNOW will see time still on the board.Okay. So you don't think Betts is more than just an average backup?This year, he sees he has a backup. 17 carries to 6, 3:1 ratio = backup. The FB had only 2 less carries than Betts.Gibbs saw last year that he has more than just a backup.And Portis completely outscored him, so did you happen to miss week 1?....it will only get better for Portis as Gibbs sees there is only one RB who is the man on his team and the other is nothing more than a back upDid you happen to miss Week 1?...Betts had more touches than Portis.All those that drafted Betts in the 7th round or so, you could have had Lamont Jordan instead.Are you convinced now that Portis is the man in Wash or are you still delusional about Betts 1000 yard season last year?Portis has 170 yards and 2 TDs in 2 games....and it will only get better for us Portis owners as Portis gets more and more into game shape.
moleculo
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are you comparing Betts to Lewis AND foster? 1<>2. HTH.If you start them against the correct opponents, there is VALUABLE PRODUCTION that will help you win games. Eg: Look at Foster's #s from the Rams-Car game in week 1. I will take that in my flex position any day of the week.....I started Foster and benched Jamal in week 1.... (since Jamal was against Steelers week 1 - easy projection to make).....in week 2 I benched Foster and started Jamal.... (again Cincy D was easy projection to make).....guess what, I got Flex production for 2 weeks that BOTH HELPED ME WIN GAMES THE PAST 2 WEEKS......do you get it now???? All this while Betts was sitting on a bench somewhere. Even if Portis gets injured tonight, guess what......I will always have the 2 wins I would have not had without Jamal or Foster.....now if Portis DOES NOT get injured at all, then do you see how I can win at the flex position in most weeks by selecting match ups....sure there will be weeks when I may start a WR at the flex because I do not like either the Jamal or Foster match up.....but it does not change the fact that they helped me win games 2 weeks in a row....games that will actually HELP me to get to the playoffs.....get it???????Dunn is one hell of a starter...not. Betts has more upside than Dunn or Foster, who cares if they are starters, they're not making the lineup in any decent team. When Portis misses some time, Betts will see the lineup in a lot of teams.I guess you're not following too well. He does not have his backup, only 3 other starting RBs who didn't need an injury to get there in the 1st place.Who said I drafted him in the 7th? You evidently have Portis who is not exactly the ironman, so if he goes down you lose your #2 RB and you don't have his backup, one of 2 backups worth drafting.So you (or people you are defending) drafted a back up RB in the 7th round?
Sweetness_34
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Get on high horses much?These 2 leagues are really old leagues made up of friends....and I know most of the people there because of my friend....since I meet them all at my friend's house at parties etc....So I always gets invited if I am interested in joining....and since I enjoy FF, I have no problem. I always help with the draft board, putting names in places etc so it helps all owners to focus on their drafts.
redman
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I happen to be 0-2, but that has more to do with McNabb than Portis.
jurb26
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Totally disagree when you can have either Green or Lewis (in a lot of drafts) who are both legit RB2s. Again, the argument is also that people who DO NOT HAVE PORTIS are foolish for drafting Betts in round 7. Not that people who do have him are. I think you are missing that point. So, lets say you don't have Portis and you take Betts in round 7 as your RB3. Now let's assume (as you assume with Portis) one of your RB1 or RB2 goes down. Now you are stuck with only 1 starting RB and totally screwed. Again, I if I have Portis or not, see it as poor draft strategy to take Betts ahead of starting NFL RBs. If you have Portis and just want to play it safe then I at least understand it. If you don't, it's simply foolish.OK, and my point is i would never want to end up starting whichever RB you took in the 7th round. That is exactly what you would have to do if one of your top 2 RB's went down. Assuming Portis is one of those two, and he goes down, Betts>>>>any RB you will get in round 7.It's round 7 that was being discussed. You could have drafted 3 RBs, 3 WRs and a QB if you wanted to. I know in one of my drafts I went RBI didnt advocate drafting Betts there, i said peiople should be drafting their QB their, maybe WR3, even a TE.You are asking this question yet advocating the drafting of Betts ahead of starting NFL RBs?If they are never going to start, why have them on your team?
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Betts went before MB111 in a couple of my leagues & they're NOT guppie leagues. Personally I wouldn't have done it, but I guess those guys bought into the whole Portis has a "degenerative knee" thing hook line & sinker.
We all get it kid, but your point is still weak. People can draft Betts in the 7th, 8th or 9th round and still have a better team than yours, with the difference being if Portis goes down you're screwed and the ones who have Betts are not. I know I'd rather have Betts in my bench than Foster. Lewis is irrelevant to this discussion because unless you drafted with #######, no one passed on him to get Betts.If you start them against the correct opponents, there is VALUABLE PRODUCTION that will help you win games. Eg: Look at Foster's #s from the Rams-Car game in week 1. I will take that in my flex position any day of the week.....I started Foster and benched Jamal in week 1.... (since Jamal was against Steelers week 1 - easy projection to make).....in week 2 I benched Foster and started Jamal.... (again Cincy D was easy projection to make).....guess what, I got Flex production for 2 weeks that BOTH HELPED ME WIN GAMES THE PAST 2 WEEKS......do you get it now???? All this while Betts was sitting on a bench somewhere. Even if Portis gets injured tonight, guess what......I will always have the 2 wins I would have not had without Jamal or Foster.....now if Portis DOES NOT get injured at all, then do you see how I can win at the flex position in most weeks by selecting match ups....sure there will be weeks when I may start a WR at the flex because I do not like either the Jamal or Foster match up.....but it does not change the fact that they helped me win games 2 weeks in a row....games that will actually HELP me to get to the playoffs.....get it???????Dunn is one hell of a starter...not. Betts has more upside than Dunn or Foster, who cares if they are starters, they're not making the lineup in any decent team. When Portis misses some time, Betts will see the lineup in a lot of teams.I guess you're not following too well. He does not have his backup, only 3 other starting RBs who didn't need an injury to get there in the 1st place.Who said I drafted him in the 7th? You evidently have Portis who is not exactly the ironman, so if he goes down you lose your #2 RB and you don't have his backup, one of 2 backups worth drafting.So you (or people you are defending) drafted a back up RB in the 7th round?
jurb26
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No, your team is screwed if your RB goes down and all you have left to play is a backup instead of an actual starting NFL RB. If Portis goes down, he still has 3 RBs who will be hitting the field and seeing significant touches, Betts or not.We all get it kid, but your point is still weak. People can draft Betts in the 7th, 8th or 9th round and still have a better team than yours, with the difference being if Portis goes down you're screwed and the ones who have Betts are not. I know I'd rather have Betts in my bench than Foster. Lewis is irrelevant to this discussion because unless you drafted with #######, no one passed on him to get Betts.If you start them against the correct opponents, there is VALUABLE PRODUCTION that will help you win games. Eg: Look at Foster's #s from the Rams-Car game in week 1. I will take that in my flex position any day of the week.....I started Foster and benched Jamal in week 1.... (since Jamal was against Steelers week 1 - easy projection to make).....in week 2 I benched Foster and started Jamal.... (again Cincy D was easy projection to make).....guess what, I got Flex production for 2 weeks that BOTH HELPED ME WIN GAMES THE PAST 2 WEEKS......do you get it now???? All this while Betts was sitting on a bench somewhere. Even if Portis gets injured tonight, guess what......I will always have the 2 wins I would have not had without Jamal or Foster.....now if Portis DOES NOT get injured at all, then do you see how I can win at the flex position in most weeks by selecting match ups....sure there will be weeks when I may start a WR at the flex because I do not like either the Jamal or Foster match up.....but it does not change the fact that they helped me win games 2 weeks in a row....games that will actually HELP me to get to the playoffs.....get it???????Dunn is one hell of a starter...not. Betts has more upside than Dunn or Foster, who cares if they are starters, they're not making the lineup in any decent team. When Portis misses some time, Betts will see the lineup in a lot of teams.I guess you're not following too well. He does not have his backup, only 3 other starting RBs who didn't need an injury to get there in the 1st place.Who said I drafted him in the 7th? You evidently have Portis who is not exactly the ironman, so if he goes down you lose your #2 RB and you don't have his backup, one of 2 backups worth drafting.So you (or people you are defending) drafted a back up RB in the 7th round?Again, look at who you (or people you are defending) could have had.... think Lamont Jordan in the 7th round
Burning Sensation
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Lets get this out of the way, I would NOT take Betts in the 7th round without having Portis. With that said, i also wouldnt take scrap RB's in round 7 because the are "starters" for their team. Odds are these players would never start for me, and if for some reason they had to, my season is probably shot anyway.Totally disagree when you can have either Green or Lewis (in a lot of drafts) who are both legit RB2s. Again, the argument is also that people who DO NOT HAVE PORTIS are foolish for drafting Betts in round 7. Not that people who do have him are. I think you are missing that point. So, lets say you don't have Portis and you take Betts in round 7 as your RB3. Now let's assume (as you assume with Portis) one of your RB1 or RB2 goes down. Now you are stuck with only 1 starting RB and totally screwed. Again, I if I have Portis or not, see it as poor draft strategy to take Betts ahead of starting NFL RBs. If you have Portis and just want to play it safe then I at least understand it. If you don't, it's simply foolish.OK, and my point is i would never want to end up starting whichever RB you took in the 7th round. That is exactly what you would have to do if one of your top 2 RB's went down. Assuming Portis is one of those two, and he goes down, Betts>>>>any RB you will get in round 7.It's round 7 that was being discussed. You could have drafted 3 RBs, 3 WRs and a QB if you wanted to. I know in one of my drafts I went RBI didnt advocate drafting Betts there, i said peiople should be drafting their QB their, maybe WR3, even a TE.You are asking this question yet advocating the drafting of Betts ahead of starting NFL RBs?If they are never going to start, why have them on your team?
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Sweetness_34
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I agree with your point, BUT what if Portis does NOT go down. Then what? Who wins there? Case 1: You draft Betts in 7th round. Portis goes down in week 4.....yes, you have a starting RB you can now use as flex or for bye weeks going forward (I am assuming you cannot use Betts as RB1 or 2 since you drafted Betts purely for upside of Portis going down and are NOT counting on starting him when Portis is healthy....this is what I have read from all Betts owners in this thread at least). Note: The assumption is you did not draft Portis as RB1 or 2 which is what this debate is about....the owners who drafted Betts in the 7th round WITHOUT having Portis on their squads hoping to get lucky.OK, and my point is i would never want to end up starting whichever RB you took in the 7th round. That is exactly what you would have to do if one of your top 2 RB's went down. Assuming Portis is one of those two, and he goes down, Betts>>>>any RB you will get in round 7.It's round 7 that was being discussed. You could have drafted 3 RBs, 3 WRs and a QB if you wanted to. I know in one of my drafts I went RBI didnt advocate drafting Betts there, i said peiople should be drafting their QB their, maybe WR3, even a TE.You are asking this question yet advocating the drafting of Betts ahead of starting NFL RBs?If they are never going to start, why have them on your team?
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Case 2: You draft Betts in 7th round. Portis does not go down ever. You are stuck with a back up on your bench and at some point in the year, you will most likely drop him for some back up TE or K or DEF or some WR who has a match up you like etc because your roster size does not allow you to keep Betts. (I am not talking of big roster size leagues here mind you)
So the Betts owner only wins if Case 1 occurs. And even then, he gets ZERO production from Betts in weeks 1 to 3.
Case 3: You do not draft Betts in 7th round and instead get a Lamont Jordan or a Foster or Dunn or some other starting RB. Portis goes down in week 4.....well, you got the best production for 3 weeks from the other RB you got at the flex position AND you still have a starter you can play in Portis's place starting week 5. Sure he may not have the production from week 5 that Betts had last year BUT you also got 2 wins atleast from them in weeks 1 & 2 by using them in the flex. And there is no guarantee Betts will reproduce last year's production AND the other guy will always contoinue to suck every week.
Case 4: You do not draft Betts in 7th round and Portis does not go down ever. Now I can continue to use this RB SELECTIVELY at the flex position (Jamal in week 2'; Foster in week 1 - see match ups and decide) and WIN GAMES.
So as you can see, by not drafting Betts, I am covered in both cases if Portis does go down. You can argue Betts has more upside than this other starting RB I may have got in the 7th, but I can argue that RB is actually helping me win games when Portis is not down yet.
And if Portis does not go down then I win big time easily. The other guy wastes a spot, I get a RB to start in flex and hammer him every week AND more importantly, I prevent him from ever getting this RB when he needs a flex or a bye week filler.
Now there is one more case I have not mentioned. What happens if the RB1 on your team (say SJax or Larry Johnson or Shaun Alex) goes down ....the Betts owner does not have that starting RB to start him. I CAN START JAMAL OR FOSTER OR WHOEVER I GOT INSTEAD OF MY RB1....guess who wins in that scenario too.
In summary, the Betts owner only gets a marginal upside and that is based ONLY if Portis goes down. In my case, I win if Portis goes down, does not go down OR even if my RB1 goes down. He does not.....
Note: I see Portis's injuries to be such that this is a 50% chance - just like there is a 50% chance LT2 or SJax goes down tomorrow....it can happen to anyone.....before Portis had his 1st injury, he was injury free too you know)
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If Portis goes down, you would rather have Foster or Dunn starting over Betts?No, your team is screwed if your RB goes down and all you have left to play is a backup instead of an actual starting NFL RB. If Portis goes down, he still has 3 RBs who will be hitting the field and seeing significant touches, Betts or not.We all get it kid, but your point is still weak. People can draft Betts in the 7th, 8th or 9th round and still have a better team than yours, with the difference being if Portis goes down you're screwed and the ones who have Betts are not. I know I'd rather have Betts in my bench than Foster. Lewis is irrelevant to this discussion because unless you drafted with #######, no one passed on him to get Betts.If you start them against the correct opponents, there is VALUABLE PRODUCTION that will help you win games. Eg: Look at Foster's #s from the Rams-Car game in week 1. I will take that in my flex position any day of the week.....I started Foster and benched Jamal in week 1.... (since Jamal was against Steelers week 1 - easy projection to make).....in week 2 I benched Foster and started Jamal.... (again Cincy D was easy projection to make).....guess what, I got Flex production for 2 weeks that BOTH HELPED ME WIN GAMES THE PAST 2 WEEKS......do you get it now???? All this while Betts was sitting on a bench somewhere. Even if Portis gets injured tonight, guess what......I will always have the 2 wins I would have not had without Jamal or Foster.....now if Portis DOES NOT get injured at all, then do you see how I can win at the flex position in most weeks by selecting match ups....sure there will be weeks when I may start a WR at the flex because I do not like either the Jamal or Foster match up.....but it does not change the fact that they helped me win games 2 weeks in a row....games that will actually HELP me to get to the playoffs.....get it???????Dunn is one hell of a starter...not. Betts has more upside than Dunn or Foster, who cares if they are starters, they're not making the lineup in any decent team. When Portis misses some time, Betts will see the lineup in a lot of teams.I guess you're not following too well. He does not have his backup, only 3 other starting RBs who didn't need an injury to get there in the 1st place.Who said I drafted him in the 7th? You evidently have Portis who is not exactly the ironman, so if he goes down you lose your #2 RB and you don't have his backup, one of 2 backups worth drafting.So you (or people you are defending) drafted a back up RB in the 7th round?
jurb26
Footballguy
The funniest thing about all this is that you guys are supporting the idea that Betts is "only a Portis injury away." Well, Barber is only a Jones injury away, Taylor is only a MJD injury away, Foster is only a Williams injury away, Dunn is only a Norwood injury away, and so on and so on. Only difference is, those guys will all see more touches than Betts, do more with them and score you more fantasy points until anyone goes down... if anyone goes down. This strategy just doesn't make sense on so may levels.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
Well, let me ask you this, how many guppies have to be in a league for it to be considered a guppy league? Whatever league had an owner draft Betts over MBIII has a one guppy head start.Betts went before MB111 in a couple of my leagues & they're NOT guppie leagues. Personally I wouldn't have done it, but I guess those guys bought into the whole Portis has a "degenerative knee" thing hook line & sinker.
jurb26
Footballguy
This is exactly what the debate is about, no?
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
There you go....so there are more leagues than the ones I have seen where Betts went before MB IIIBetts went before MB111 in a couple of my leagues & they're NOT guppie leagues. Personally I wouldn't have done it, but I guess those guys bought into the whole Portis has a "degenerative knee" thing hook line & sinker.
jurb26
Footballguy
Gee, wonder if I could trade Lewis or Green or Foster or Dunn for Betts right now?If Portis goes down, you would rather have Foster or Dunn starting over Betts?No, your team is screwed if your RB goes down and all you have left to play is a backup instead of an actual starting NFL RB. If Portis goes down, he still has 3 RBs who will be hitting the field and seeing significant touches, Betts or not.We all get it kid, but your point is still weak. People can draft Betts in the 7th, 8th or 9th round and still have a better team than yours, with the difference being if Portis goes down you're screwed and the ones who have Betts are not. I know I'd rather have Betts in my bench than Foster. Lewis is irrelevant to this discussion because unless you drafted with #######, no one passed on him to get Betts.If you start them against the correct opponents, there is VALUABLE PRODUCTION that will help you win games. Eg: Look at Foster's #s from the Rams-Car game in week 1. I will take that in my flex position any day of the week.....I started Foster and benched Jamal in week 1.... (since Jamal was against Steelers week 1 - easy projection to make).....in week 2 I benched Foster and started Jamal.... (again Cincy D was easy projection to make).....guess what, I got Flex production for 2 weeks that BOTH HELPED ME WIN GAMES THE PAST 2 WEEKS......do you get it now???? All this while Betts was sitting on a bench somewhere. Even if Portis gets injured tonight, guess what......I will always have the 2 wins I would have not had without Jamal or Foster.....now if Portis DOES NOT get injured at all, then do you see how I can win at the flex position in most weeks by selecting match ups....sure there will be weeks when I may start a WR at the flex because I do not like either the Jamal or Foster match up.....but it does not change the fact that they helped me win games 2 weeks in a row....games that will actually HELP me to get to the playoffs.....get it???????Dunn is one hell of a starter...not. Betts has more upside than Dunn or Foster, who cares if they are starters, they're not making the lineup in any decent team. When Portis misses some time, Betts will see the lineup in a lot of teams.I guess you're not following too well. He does not have his backup, only 3 other starting RBs who didn't need an injury to get there in the 1st place.Who said I drafted him in the 7th? You evidently have Portis who is not exactly the ironman, so if he goes down you lose your #2 RB and you don't have his backup, one of 2 backups worth drafting.So you (or people you are defending) drafted a back up RB in the 7th round?
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
I wish there was an emoticon for excellent posting, but I will have to do with this
Big Score
Footballguy
No.He's saying if you're one of many people who drafted Betts in the 7th without having Portis & one of your other STARTING RB's goes down, you're screwed. But if you'd have drafted Foster or Dunn, instead of Betts, you'd at least have something to work with.If Portis goes down, you would rather have Foster or Dunn starting over Betts?No, your team is screwed if your RB goes down and all you have left to play is a backup instead of an actual starting NFL RB. If Portis goes down, he still has 3 RBs who will be hitting the field and seeing significant touches, Betts or not.We all get it kid, but your point is still weak. People can draft Betts in the 7th, 8th or 9th round and still have a better team than yours, with the difference being if Portis goes down you're screwed and the ones who have Betts are not. I know I'd rather have Betts in my bench than Foster. Lewis is irrelevant to this discussion because unless you drafted with #######, no one passed on him to get Betts.If you start them against the correct opponents, there is VALUABLE PRODUCTION that will help you win games. Eg: Look at Foster's #s from the Rams-Car game in week 1. I will take that in my flex position any day of the week.....I started Foster and benched Jamal in week 1.... (since Jamal was against Steelers week 1 - easy projection to make).....in week 2 I benched Foster and started Jamal.... (again Cincy D was easy projection to make).....guess what, I got Flex production for 2 weeks that BOTH HELPED ME WIN GAMES THE PAST 2 WEEKS......do you get it now???? All this while Betts was sitting on a bench somewhere. Even if Portis gets injured tonight, guess what......I will always have the 2 wins I would have not had without Jamal or Foster.....now if Portis DOES NOT get injured at all, then do you see how I can win at the flex position in most weeks by selecting match ups....sure there will be weeks when I may start a WR at the flex because I do not like either the Jamal or Foster match up.....but it does not change the fact that they helped me win games 2 weeks in a row....games that will actually HELP me to get to the playoffs.....get it???????Dunn is one hell of a starter...not. Betts has more upside than Dunn or Foster, who cares if they are starters, they're not making the lineup in any decent team. When Portis misses some time, Betts will see the lineup in a lot of teams.I guess you're not following too well. He does not have his backup, only 3 other starting RBs who didn't need an injury to get there in the 1st place.Who said I drafted him in the 7th? You evidently have Portis who is not exactly the ironman, so if he goes down you lose your #2 RB and you don't have his backup, one of 2 backups worth drafting.So you (or people you are defending) drafted a back up RB in the 7th round?
jurb26
Footballguy
No.He's saying if you're one of many people who drafted Betts in the 7th without having Portis & one of your other STARTING RB's goes down, you're screwed. But if you'd have drafted Foster or Dunn, instead of Betts, you'd at least have something to work with.If Portis goes down, you would rather have Foster or Dunn starting over Betts?No, your team is screwed if your RB goes down and all you have left to play is a backup instead of an actual starting NFL RB. If Portis goes down, he still has 3 RBs who will be hitting the field and seeing significant touches, Betts or not.We all get it kid, but your point is still weak. People can draft Betts in the 7th, 8th or 9th round and still have a better team than yours, with the difference being if Portis goes down you're screwed and the ones who have Betts are not. I know I'd rather have Betts in my bench than Foster. Lewis is irrelevant to this discussion because unless you drafted with #######, no one passed on him to get Betts.If you start them against the correct opponents, there is VALUABLE PRODUCTION that will help you win games. Eg: Look at Foster's #s from the Rams-Car game in week 1. I will take that in my flex position any day of the week.....I started Foster and benched Jamal in week 1.... (since Jamal was against Steelers week 1 - easy projection to make).....in week 2 I benched Foster and started Jamal.... (again Cincy D was easy projection to make).....guess what, I got Flex production for 2 weeks that BOTH HELPED ME WIN GAMES THE PAST 2 WEEKS......do you get it now???? All this while Betts was sitting on a bench somewhere. Even if Portis gets injured tonight, guess what......I will always have the 2 wins I would have not had without Jamal or Foster.....now if Portis DOES NOT get injured at all, then do you see how I can win at the flex position in most weeks by selecting match ups....sure there will be weeks when I may start a WR at the flex because I do not like either the Jamal or Foster match up.....but it does not change the fact that they helped me win games 2 weeks in a row....games that will actually HELP me to get to the playoffs.....get it???????Dunn is one hell of a starter...not. Betts has more upside than Dunn or Foster, who cares if they are starters, they're not making the lineup in any decent team. When Portis misses some time, Betts will see the lineup in a lot of teams.I guess you're not following too well. He does not have his backup, only 3 other starting RBs who didn't need an injury to get there in the 1st place.Who said I drafted him in the 7th? You evidently have Portis who is not exactly the ironman, so if he goes down you lose your #2 RB and you don't have his backup, one of 2 backups worth drafting.So you (or people you are defending) drafted a back up RB in the 7th round?
Not a difficult concept to follow.Burning Sensation
Footballguy
It makes perfect sense, many obviously believe IF Portis went down, Betts has the skill/situation to put up top FF numbers. Who would you rather have if both Norwood and Portis were out for the season? I would much rather have Betts.
Big Score
Footballguy
Considering you have no knowledge of the leagues, the experience of the owners in those leagues, what they were thinking & why they did what they did, what the rest of their draft was like, I'd say that was an extremely arrogant statement on your part & having read a lot of your posts in the past, I'm pretty surprised you'd post something like that.Well, let me ask you this, how many guppies have to be in a league for it to be considered a guppy league? Whatever league had an owner draft Betts over MBIII has a one guppy head start.Betts went before MB111 in a couple of my leagues & they're NOT guppie leagues. Personally I wouldn't have done it, but I guess those guys bought into the whole Portis has a "degenerative knee" thing hook line & sinker.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
No, i just thought it was against taking Betts in the 7th round, despite the circumstances.
jurb26
Footballguy
Agreed, but again I am talking about people who DON'T have Portis to begin with. What are the odds that if you don't have Portis, a Portis injury magically aligns with the injury of one of your RB1 or RB2 and Betts is suddenly thrusts into a starting role at perfect timing for you?
If you pass on guys like Jamal Lewis, MBIII, etc. I agree.By the time I drafted Betts in the league I have him (10 teams), he was my 5th RB and I passed on guys like Dunn and Pittman. And later in the draft I got Kevin Jones and FatDale White.
