again... my lazy afternoon and web browsing led me to an LSU site. Some locals reported that Collins was very "Entitled" in how he interacted with people. He was described as not very bright and not really a good person. So take it as you will. Just one person's interpretation of the kid.Mayock isn't the only scout that has him as the top OT in the draft. Coyle has him as the top guard (with Scherff ranked as top OT). Nothing wrong with his pass pro metrics (below), he is one of the better run blockers, and has the versatility to maybe play four positions, everything but center. He was reportedly one of the most highly recruited OL in LA state history.This is all over the radio, in Charlotte anyway because radio types have loved Collins, but I'm not really sure why.
From what I've read he isn't a suspect. Why would his stock drop because of this. I mean people here are saying he's lucky to go in the 4th round now.
"LSU OL La'El Collins tied for first in College Football Focus' pass-blocking efficiency metric.
He shared the honor with Northern Illinois' Ryan Brown. You know that we love Collins and rank him as the No. 1 offensive lineman in the class, believing he can stick at left tackle. Here's the numbers to back up the assertion: Collins allowed no sacks, zero hits and only four hurries on 312 pass-blocking plays. Remember that on draft day when it is suggested Collins could struggle with pass pro in the NFL." Apr 23 - 7:45 PM
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/cfb/132727/lael-collins
This is from yesterday - police contacted him over a murder but instead of talking to them he hopped on the plane to Chicago. It will be interesting to find out the location and timing of the text and what time he actually boarded the flight to Chicago. Baton Rouge is a 7 hour drive from Atlanta.When WAFB contacted Collins by text message Tuesday, he replied that he was in Atlanta boarding a plane for Chicago and that his agent would be contacting the station for comment. His agent has not yet done so.
I didn't say anything to the contrary. Just that if somebody saw somebody matching his description, that would probably be sufficient to order forensics tests.When an 8 month pregnant women gets shot at her front door the most likely suspect is the child's father.
I know that if police wanted to question me about the murder of a woman I was sleeping with, I'd get a lawyer. Do you really think that you wouldn't?He immediately lawyered up instead of talking to the police. That's suspicious to me. You weren't there and have alibis, tell the police directly if you have nothing to hide.Police have confirmed he isn't a suspect and he's provided alibis already from my understanding.
This isn't an Aaron Hernandez situation. Why would hit stock drop for knowing a girl who was shot?
Honestly, whoever broke this story should be hit with a brick upside the head for even trying to cast doubt on Collins in the slightest way without knowing the facts. The most important day in this kids life is coming up tomorrow and he's confirmed not to be a suspect, why try to ruin his draft stock?
It's also a huge exception that a potential 1st round draft pick would be linked to a murder the day before the draft.I didn't say anything to the contrary. Just that if somebody saw somebody matching his description, that would probably be sufficient to order forensics tests.When an 8 month pregnant women gets shot at her front door the most likely suspect is the child's father.
OTOH, most paternity-related murders aren't committed by people about to become multi-millionaires in a mtter of days. Anything is possible, but it sounds far fetched (Collins was supposedly an Eagle Scout and sounds pretty responsible in many ways). Anybody who points out exceptions like Carruth, AH, etc., has to acknowledge they ARE exceptions by a massive percentage. People do get murdered sometimes, it could be completely random that he knew her, or turns out to be the father (if this is even established).
I would at least talk to them and say where I was that night, especially if I did have a solid alibi like his lawyer claims.I know that if police wanted to question me about the murder of a woman I was sleeping with, I'd get a lawyer. Do you really think that you wouldn't?He immediately lawyered up instead of talking to the police. That's suspicious to me. You weren't there and have alibis, tell the police directly if you have nothing to hide.Police have confirmed he isn't a suspect and he's provided alibis already from my understanding.
This isn't an Aaron Hernandez situation. Why would hit stock drop for knowing a girl who was shot?
Honestly, whoever broke this story should be hit with a brick upside the head for even trying to cast doubt on Collins in the slightest way without knowing the facts. The most important day in this kids life is coming up tomorrow and he's confirmed not to be a suspect, why try to ruin his draft stock?
Getting a lawyer can in no way hurt you in this circumstance. What you're saying makes no sense.I would at least talk to them and say where I was that night, especially if I did have a solid alibi like his lawyer claims.I know that if police wanted to question me about the murder of a woman I was sleeping with, I'd get a lawyer. Do you really think that you wouldn't?He immediately lawyered up instead of talking to the police. That's suspicious to me. You weren't there and have alibis, tell the police directly if you have nothing to hide.Police have confirmed he isn't a suspect and he's provided alibis already from my understanding.
This isn't an Aaron Hernandez situation. Why would hit stock drop for knowing a girl who was shot?
Honestly, whoever broke this story should be hit with a brick upside the head for even trying to cast doubt on Collins in the slightest way without knowing the facts. The most important day in this kids life is coming up tomorrow and he's confirmed not to be a suspect, why try to ruin his draft stock?
I think it is routine in any murder without an obvious lead (in this case, she might have known the person and let them in, I think was reported), to start from those closest to the victim first. Family, friends, co-workers, neighbors, extra-curricular activities (gym?), organizational affilation contacts? As a former boy friend, he would certainly fit that description. That is just SOP, if only to rule them out. He could have some information about known associates unkown to other family and friends, that could provide a lead or maybe even help break the case. Or maybe not. But the police would be remiss and grossly incompetent to not question anybody and everybody that could help shed some light on the subject. That in no way points to an increased liklihood of his guilt, imo.again... my lazy afternoon and web browsing led me to an LSU site. Some locals reported that Collins was very "Entitled" in how he interacted with people. He was described as not very bright and not really a good person. So take it as you will. Just one person's interpretation of the kid.Mayock isn't the only scout that has him as the top OT in the draft. Coyle has him as the top guard (with Scherff ranked as top OT). Nothing wrong with his pass pro metrics (below), he is one of the better run blockers, and has the versatility to maybe play four positions, everything but center. He was reportedly one of the most highly recruited OL in LA state history.This is all over the radio, in Charlotte anyway because radio types have loved Collins, but I'm not really sure why.
From what I've read he isn't a suspect. Why would his stock drop because of this. I mean people here are saying he's lucky to go in the 4th round now.
"LSU OL La'El Collins tied for first in College Football Focus' pass-blocking efficiency metric.
He shared the honor with Northern Illinois' Ryan Brown. You know that we love Collins and rank him as the No. 1 offensive lineman in the class, believing he can stick at left tackle. Here's the numbers to back up the assertion: Collins allowed no sacks, zero hits and only four hurries on 312 pass-blocking plays. Remember that on draft day when it is suggested Collins could struggle with pass pro in the NFL." Apr 23 - 7:45 PM
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/cfb/132727/lael-collins
No contact with this female September either and somehow he is involved enough that the police requested to talk to him during the biggest night of his life.
It's all about public perception.Getting a lawyer can in no way hurt you in this circumstance. What you're saying makes no sense.I would at least talk to them and say where I was that night, especially if I did have a solid alibi like his lawyer claims.
If that's you're criteria than everyone is guilty of something in this world.It's all about public perception.Getting a lawyer can in no way hurt you in this circumstance. What you're saying makes no sense.I would at least talk to them and say where I was that night, especially if I did have a solid alibi like his lawyer claims.
It seems highly unlikely, I never said or implied ruled out.It's also a huge exception that a potential 1st round draft pick would be linked to a murder the day before the draft.I didn't say anything to the contrary. Just that if somebody saw somebody matching his description, that would probably be sufficient to order forensics tests.When an 8 month pregnant women gets shot at her front door the most likely suspect is the child's father.
OTOH, most paternity-related murders aren't committed by people about to become multi-millionaires in a mtter of days. Anything is possible, but it sounds far fetched (Collins was supposedly an Eagle Scout and sounds pretty responsible in many ways). Anybody who points out exceptions like Carruth, AH, etc., has to acknowledge they ARE exceptions by a massive percentage. People do get murdered sometimes, it could be completely random that he knew her, or turns out to be the father (if this is even established).
I'm not saying he was involved, but it's within the realm of possibility. I would not rule him out as this point.
Boren said he has retained the services of a private investigative firm to help him prove that Collins was not close to Mills' home when she was murdered.
They should want to talk to him, just as they should consider him and any other possible fathers of the child suspects.It seems highly unlikely, I never said or implied ruled out.It's also a huge exception that a potential 1st round draft pick would be linked to a murder the day before the draft.I didn't say anything to the contrary. Just that if somebody saw somebody matching his description, that would probably be sufficient to order forensics tests.When an 8 month pregnant women gets shot at her front door the most likely suspect is the child's father.
OTOH, most paternity-related murders aren't committed by people about to become multi-millionaires in a mtter of days. Anything is possible, but it sounds far fetched (Collins was supposedly an Eagle Scout and sounds pretty responsible in many ways). Anybody who points out exceptions like Carruth, AH, etc., has to acknowledge they ARE exceptions by a massive percentage. People do get murdered sometimes, it could be completely random that he knew her, or turns out to be the father (if this is even established).
I'm not saying he was involved, but it's within the realm of possibility. I would not rule him out as this point.
If, God forbid, your recent ex (maybe pregnant with your child) was murdered, and the police didn't have any leads, they might want to question you. Routinely.
He is under the gun (so to speak) and racing against the clock to exonerate himself before tomorrow night if possible. If a lawyer and/or PI could help you expedite this process (witness depositions?), the onus is on you to explain why you wouldn't do that? That is just common sense?So are guys saying that every single person the police ask to talk to regarding this should hire a lawyer?
And everyone should hire PI?
Boren said he has retained the services of a private investigative firm to help him prove that Collins was not close to Mills' home when she was murdered.
Right, just like you would be a suspect in similar circumstances.They should want to talk to him, just as they should consider him and any other possible fathers of the child suspects.It seems highly unlikely, I never said or implied ruled out.It's also a huge exception that a potential 1st round draft pick would be linked to a murder the day before the draft.I didn't say anything to the contrary. Just that if somebody saw somebody matching his description, that would probably be sufficient to order forensics tests.When an 8 month pregnant women gets shot at her front door the most likely suspect is the child's father.
OTOH, most paternity-related murders aren't committed by people about to become multi-millionaires in a mtter of days. Anything is possible, but it sounds far fetched (Collins was supposedly an Eagle Scout and sounds pretty responsible in many ways). Anybody who points out exceptions like Carruth, AH, etc., has to acknowledge they ARE exceptions by a massive percentage. People do get murdered sometimes, it could be completely random that he knew her, or turns out to be the father (if this is even established).
I'm not saying he was involved, but it's within the realm of possibility. I would not rule him out as this point.
If, God forbid, your recent ex (maybe pregnant with your child) was murdered, and the police didn't have any leads, they might want to question you. Routinely.
I would absolutely expect to be, which is why this "he's not a suspect" thing is joke.Right, just like you would be a suspect in similar circumstances.
Fair enough.He is under the gun (so to speak) and racing against the clock to exonerate himself before tomorrow night if possible. If a lawyer and/or PI could help you expedite this process (witness depositions?), the onus is on you to explain why you wouldn't do that? That is just common sense?So are guys saying that every single person the police ask to talk to regarding this should hire a lawyer?
And everyone should hire PI?
Boren said he has retained the services of a private investigative firm to help him prove that Collins was not close to Mills' home when she was murdered.
I don't think it is a joke, just that it is often routine to question somebody close to a murdered victim, even if they *REALLY* aren't viewed as a prime suspect.I would absolutely expect to be, which is why this "he's not a suspect" thing is joke.Right, just like you would be a suspect in similar circumstances.
If there's zero chance he could be the father then why isn't his lawyer saying that?
I definitely agree with you here and I'm not rushing to judgment, but the facts that are out there right now don't paint La'el in the best light.I think it is routine in any murder without an obvious lead (in this case, she might have known the person and let them in, I think was reported), to start from those closest to the victim first. Family, friends, co-workers, neighbors, extra-curricular activities (gym?), organizational affilation contacts? As a former boy friend, he would certainly fit that description. That is just SOP, if only to rule them out.again... my lazy afternoon and web browsing led me to an LSU site. Some locals reported that Collins was very "Entitled" in how he interacted with people. He was described as not very bright and not really a good person. So take it as you will. Just one person's interpretation of the kid.Mayock isn't the only scout that has him as the top OT in the draft. Coyle has him as the top guard (with Scherff ranked as top OT). Nothing wrong with his pass pro metrics (below), he is one of the better run blockers, and has the versatility to maybe play four positions, everything but center. He was reportedly one of the most highly recruited OL in LA state history.This is all over the radio, in Charlotte anyway because radio types have loved Collins, but I'm not really sure why.
From what I've read he isn't a suspect. Why would his stock drop because of this. I mean people here are saying he's lucky to go in the 4th round now.
"LSU OL La'El Collins tied for first in College Football Focus' pass-blocking efficiency metric.
He shared the honor with Northern Illinois' Ryan Brown. You know that we love Collins and rank him as the No. 1 offensive lineman in the class, believing he can stick at left tackle. Here's the numbers to back up the assertion: Collins allowed no sacks, zero hits and only four hurries on 312 pass-blocking plays. Remember that on draft day when it is suggested Collins could struggle with pass pro in the NFL." Apr 23 - 7:45 PM
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/cfb/132727/lael-collins
No contact with this female September either and somehow he is involved enough that the police requested to talk to him during the biggest night of his life.
Do we know enough from the blurbs to reconstruct that Collins was definitely wanted for questioning by the police BEFORE leaving town? Is he on the run and eluding police? He wouldn't have been too hard to find if he had remained at the draft. I don't recall, but thought the story just broke YESTERDAY, that the police wanted to meet with him for questioning?Fair enough.He is under the gun (so to speak) and racing against the clock to exonerate himself before tomorrow night if possible. If a lawyer and/or PI could help you expedite this process (witness depositions?), the onus is on you to explain why you wouldn't do that? That is just common sense?So are guys saying that every single person the police ask to talk to regarding this should hire a lawyer?
And everyone should hire PI?
Boren said he has retained the services of a private investigative firm to help him prove that Collins was not close to Mills' home when she was murdered.
However, the one thing I wouldn't do is get on a plane to Chicago after I just found out that the police want to talk to me about the murder of a murder who might have been pregnant with my child.
I'm going off this poorly worded statement, But it sounds to me like Collins wasn't being responsive to the initial inquiries. This statement was on Tuesday. 4 days after the murder.Do we know enough from the blurbs to reconstruct that Collins was definitely wanted for questioning by the police BEFORE leaving town? Is he on the run and eluding police? He wouldn't have been too hard to find if he had remained at the draft. I don't recall, but thought the story just broke YESTERDAY, that the police wanted to meet with him for questioning?Fair enough.He is under the gun (so to speak) and racing against the clock to exonerate himself before tomorrow night if possible. If a lawyer and/or PI could help you expedite this process (witness depositions?), the onus is on you to explain why you wouldn't do that? That is just common sense?So are guys saying that every single person the police ask to talk to regarding this should hire a lawyer?
And everyone should hire PI?
Boren said he has retained the services of a private investigative firm to help him prove that Collins was not close to Mills' home when she was murdered.
However, the one thing I wouldn't do is get on a plane to Chicago after I just found out that the police want to talk to me about the murder of a murder who might have been pregnant with my child.
Cpl. Don Coppola with the Baton Rouge Police Department said they were trying to reach Collins now.
“We are consistently pursuing getting in touch with him, not as a suspect, but to ask him questions about the victim,” Coppola said. “Detectives have reached out and been in touch with his agent.
Yes, the police contacted him and he texted back that he was in Atlanta boarding a plane for Chicago and would have his agent contact them.Do we know enough from the blurbs to reconstruct that Collins was definitely wanted for questioning by the police BEFORE leaving town? Is he on the run and eluding police? He wouldn't have been too hard to find if he had remained at the draft. I don't recall, but thought the story just broke YESTERDAY, that the police wanted to meet with him for questioning?
When WAFB contacted Collins by text message Tuesday, he replied that he was in Atlanta boarding a plane for Chicago and that his agent would be contacting the station for comment. His agent has not yet done so.
I have no idea if he is involved with the young lady’s murder but him getting a lawyer is the smart thing for him (or anyone if they can afford one) to do. Getting a lawyer doesn’t make him more suspicious to me.It's all about public perception.Getting a lawyer can in no way hurt you in this circumstance. What you're saying makes no sense.I would at least talk to them and say where I was that night, especially if I did have a solid alibi like his lawyer claims.
I think we are talking about two different things. I asked if it was clear police contacted him prior to departing for Chicago. You are citing WAFB, which I assume is a news station. Not the same as failing to respond to a direct request by the police to appear immediately for questioning.Yes, the police contacted him and he texted back that he was in Atlanta boarding a plane for Chicago and would have his agent contact them.Do we know enough from the blurbs to reconstruct that Collins was definitely wanted for questioning by the police BEFORE leaving town? Is he on the run and eluding police? He wouldn't have been too hard to find if he had remained at the draft. I don't recall, but thought the story just broke YESTERDAY, that the police wanted to meet with him for questioning?
When WAFB contacted Collins by text message Tuesday, he replied that he was in Atlanta boarding a plane for Chicago and that his agent would be contacting the station for comment. His agent has not yet done so.
Abso####ingloutelySo are guys saying that every single person the police ask to talk to regarding this should hire a lawyer?
And everyone should hire PI?
Boren said he has retained the services of a private investigative firm to help him prove that Collins was not close to Mills' home when she was murdered.
My prediction: undrafted.This does not sound great 23 hours before the draft. Police have not heard from Collins.
no no no... 7th round at worstMy prediction: undrafted.This does not sound great 23 hours before the draft. Police have not heard from Collins.
bumpCan he withdraw from the NFL draft and re-enter the supplemental draft?
Doesn't matter. He'll be in prison.bumpCan he withdraw from the NFL draft and re-enter the supplemental draft?
ProFootballZone @ProFootballZone 16m16 minutes ago
ICYMI: LSU OT La'el Collins being removed from multiple draft boards http://wp.me/p1L24z-Auz
cstu has been hacked.The NFL has a lot more information than we do so if there's *any* chance he's innocent then someone will draft him.
Albert Breer @AlbertBreer 28m28 minutes ago
Spoke with Baton Rouge PD Cpl. Don Coppola a few minutes ago. La'El Collins still has yet to speak to the police there.
bumpbumpCan he withdraw from the NFL draft and re-enter the supplemental draft?