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La'el Collins stock just dropped (1 Viewer)

When an 8 month pregnant women gets shot at her front door the most likely suspect is the child's father.

 
This is all over the radio, in Charlotte anyway because radio types have loved Collins, but I'm not really sure why.

From what I've read he isn't a suspect. Why would his stock drop because of this. I mean people here are saying he's lucky to go in the 4th round now.
Mayock isn't the only scout that has him as the top OT in the draft. Coyle has him as the top guard (with Scherff ranked as top OT). Nothing wrong with his pass pro metrics (below), he is one of the better run blockers, and has the versatility to maybe play four positions, everything but center. He was reportedly one of the most highly recruited OL in LA state history.

"LSU OL La'El Collins tied for first in College Football Focus' pass-blocking efficiency metric.

He shared the honor with Northern Illinois' Ryan Brown. You know that we love Collins and rank him as the No. 1 offensive lineman in the class, believing he can stick at left tackle. Here's the numbers to back up the assertion: Collins allowed no sacks, zero hits and only four hurries on 312 pass-blocking plays. Remember that on draft day when it is suggested Collins could struggle with pass pro in the NFL." Apr 23 - 7:45 PM

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/cfb/132727/lael-collins
again... my lazy afternoon and web browsing led me to an LSU site. Some locals reported that Collins was very "Entitled" in how he interacted with people. He was described as not very bright and not really a good person. So take it as you will. Just one person's interpretation of the kid.

No contact with this female September either and somehow he is involved enough that the police requested to talk to him during the biggest night of his life.

 
When WAFB contacted Collins by text message Tuesday, he replied that he was in Atlanta boarding a plane for Chicago and that his agent would be contacting the station for comment. His agent has not yet done so.
This is from yesterday - police contacted him over a murder but instead of talking to them he hopped on the plane to Chicago. It will be interesting to find out the location and timing of the text and what time he actually boarded the flight to Chicago. Baton Rouge is a 7 hour drive from Atlanta.

 
When an 8 month pregnant women gets shot at her front door the most likely suspect is the child's father.
I didn't say anything to the contrary. Just that if somebody saw somebody matching his description, that would probably be sufficient to order forensics tests.

OTOH, most paternity-related murders aren't committed by people about to become multi-millionaires in a matter of days. Anything is possible, but it sounds far fetched (Collins was supposedly an Eagle Scout and sounds pretty responsible in many ways). Anybody who points out exceptions like Carruth, AH, etc., has to acknowledge they ARE exceptions by a massive percentage. People do get murdered sometimes, it could be completely random that he knew her, or turns out to be the father (if this is even established).

 
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Police have confirmed he isn't a suspect and he's provided alibis already from my understanding.

This isn't an Aaron Hernandez situation. Why would hit stock drop for knowing a girl who was shot?

Honestly, whoever broke this story should be hit with a brick upside the head for even trying to cast doubt on Collins in the slightest way without knowing the facts. The most important day in this kids life is coming up tomorrow and he's confirmed not to be a suspect, why try to ruin his draft stock?
He immediately lawyered up instead of talking to the police. That's suspicious to me. You weren't there and have alibis, tell the police directly if you have nothing to hide.
I know that if police wanted to question me about the murder of a woman I was sleeping with, I'd get a lawyer. Do you really think that you wouldn't?

 
When an 8 month pregnant women gets shot at her front door the most likely suspect is the child's father.
I didn't say anything to the contrary. Just that if somebody saw somebody matching his description, that would probably be sufficient to order forensics tests.

OTOH, most paternity-related murders aren't committed by people about to become multi-millionaires in a mtter of days. Anything is possible, but it sounds far fetched (Collins was supposedly an Eagle Scout and sounds pretty responsible in many ways). Anybody who points out exceptions like Carruth, AH, etc., has to acknowledge they ARE exceptions by a massive percentage. People do get murdered sometimes, it could be completely random that he knew her, or turns out to be the father (if this is even established).
It's also a huge exception that a potential 1st round draft pick would be linked to a murder the day before the draft.

I'm not saying he was involved, but it's within the realm of possibility. I would not rule him out as this point.

 
Police have confirmed he isn't a suspect and he's provided alibis already from my understanding.

This isn't an Aaron Hernandez situation. Why would hit stock drop for knowing a girl who was shot?

Honestly, whoever broke this story should be hit with a brick upside the head for even trying to cast doubt on Collins in the slightest way without knowing the facts. The most important day in this kids life is coming up tomorrow and he's confirmed not to be a suspect, why try to ruin his draft stock?
He immediately lawyered up instead of talking to the police. That's suspicious to me. You weren't there and have alibis, tell the police directly if you have nothing to hide.
I know that if police wanted to question me about the murder of a woman I was sleeping with, I'd get a lawyer. Do you really think that you wouldn't?
I would at least talk to them and say where I was that night, especially if I did have a solid alibi like his lawyer claims.

 
Police have confirmed he isn't a suspect and he's provided alibis already from my understanding.

This isn't an Aaron Hernandez situation. Why would hit stock drop for knowing a girl who was shot?

Honestly, whoever broke this story should be hit with a brick upside the head for even trying to cast doubt on Collins in the slightest way without knowing the facts. The most important day in this kids life is coming up tomorrow and he's confirmed not to be a suspect, why try to ruin his draft stock?
He immediately lawyered up instead of talking to the police. That's suspicious to me. You weren't there and have alibis, tell the police directly if you have nothing to hide.
I know that if police wanted to question me about the murder of a woman I was sleeping with, I'd get a lawyer. Do you really think that you wouldn't?
I would at least talk to them and say where I was that night, especially if I did have a solid alibi like his lawyer claims.
Getting a lawyer can in no way hurt you in this circumstance. What you're saying makes no sense.
 
This is all over the radio, in Charlotte anyway because radio types have loved Collins, but I'm not really sure why.

From what I've read he isn't a suspect. Why would his stock drop because of this. I mean people here are saying he's lucky to go in the 4th round now.
Mayock isn't the only scout that has him as the top OT in the draft. Coyle has him as the top guard (with Scherff ranked as top OT). Nothing wrong with his pass pro metrics (below), he is one of the better run blockers, and has the versatility to maybe play four positions, everything but center. He was reportedly one of the most highly recruited OL in LA state history.

"LSU OL La'El Collins tied for first in College Football Focus' pass-blocking efficiency metric.

He shared the honor with Northern Illinois' Ryan Brown. You know that we love Collins and rank him as the No. 1 offensive lineman in the class, believing he can stick at left tackle. Here's the numbers to back up the assertion: Collins allowed no sacks, zero hits and only four hurries on 312 pass-blocking plays. Remember that on draft day when it is suggested Collins could struggle with pass pro in the NFL." Apr 23 - 7:45 PM

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/cfb/132727/lael-collins
again... my lazy afternoon and web browsing led me to an LSU site. Some locals reported that Collins was very "Entitled" in how he interacted with people. He was described as not very bright and not really a good person. So take it as you will. Just one person's interpretation of the kid.

No contact with this female September either and somehow he is involved enough that the police requested to talk to him during the biggest night of his life.
I think it is routine in any murder without an obvious lead (in this case, she might have known the person and let them in, I think was reported), to start from those closest to the victim first. Family, friends, co-workers, neighbors, extra-curricular activities (gym?), organizational affilation contacts? As a former boy friend, he would certainly fit that description. That is just SOP, if only to rule them out. He could have some information about known associates unkown to other family and friends, that could provide a lead or maybe even help break the case. Or maybe not. But the police would be remiss and grossly incompetent to not question anybody and everybody that could help shed some light on the subject. That in no way points to an increased liklihood of his guilt, imo.

Maybe he is guilty, but I'm not making that inference yet based merely on the evidence of questioning that could simply be routine (point taken elsewhere in the thread that wanted for questioning and person of interest are sometimes early stage investigation euphamisms for somebody about to become a suspect and charged, but more often I would thing it is best taken at face value). He knew her, might know somebody that she knew, that could help the police in their investigation. If he has an alibi and his whereabouts are accounted for, that should be able to be established quickly. As to if he contracted a murder, that could be a lot tougher to nail down the specifics and details in building an investigation, unless he did something massively clumsy like calling a former known hit man with a record multiple times on his cell phone right before and after the murder?

 
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When an 8 month pregnant women gets shot at her front door the most likely suspect is the child's father.
I didn't say anything to the contrary. Just that if somebody saw somebody matching his description, that would probably be sufficient to order forensics tests.

OTOH, most paternity-related murders aren't committed by people about to become multi-millionaires in a mtter of days. Anything is possible, but it sounds far fetched (Collins was supposedly an Eagle Scout and sounds pretty responsible in many ways). Anybody who points out exceptions like Carruth, AH, etc., has to acknowledge they ARE exceptions by a massive percentage. People do get murdered sometimes, it could be completely random that he knew her, or turns out to be the father (if this is even established).
It's also a huge exception that a potential 1st round draft pick would be linked to a murder the day before the draft.

I'm not saying he was involved, but it's within the realm of possibility. I would not rule him out as this point.
It seems highly unlikely, I never said or implied ruled out.

If, God forbid, your recent ex (maybe pregnant with your child) was murdered, and the police didn't have any leads, they might want to question you. Routinely.

 
So are guys saying that every single person the police ask to talk to regarding this should hire a lawyer?

And everyone should hire PI?

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Boren said he has retained the services of a private investigative firm to help him prove that Collins was not close to Mills' home when she was murdered.
 
When an 8 month pregnant women gets shot at her front door the most likely suspect is the child's father.
I didn't say anything to the contrary. Just that if somebody saw somebody matching his description, that would probably be sufficient to order forensics tests.

OTOH, most paternity-related murders aren't committed by people about to become multi-millionaires in a mtter of days. Anything is possible, but it sounds far fetched (Collins was supposedly an Eagle Scout and sounds pretty responsible in many ways). Anybody who points out exceptions like Carruth, AH, etc., has to acknowledge they ARE exceptions by a massive percentage. People do get murdered sometimes, it could be completely random that he knew her, or turns out to be the father (if this is even established).
It's also a huge exception that a potential 1st round draft pick would be linked to a murder the day before the draft.

I'm not saying he was involved, but it's within the realm of possibility. I would not rule him out as this point.
It seems highly unlikely, I never said or implied ruled out.

If, God forbid, your recent ex (maybe pregnant with your child) was murdered, and the police didn't have any leads, they might want to question you. Routinely.
They should want to talk to him, just as they should consider him and any other possible fathers of the child suspects.

 
His lawyer wouldn't say he hopes Collins is 'ruled out' as a suspect if he's not currently 'ruled in'.

 
So are guys saying that every single person the police ask to talk to regarding this should hire a lawyer?

And everyone should hire PI?

Boren said he has retained the services of a private investigative firm to help him prove that Collins was not close to Mills' home when she was murdered.
He is under the gun (so to speak) and racing against the clock to exonerate himself before tomorrow night if possible. If a lawyer and/or PI could help you expedite this process (witness depositions?), the onus is on you to explain why you wouldn't do that? That is just common sense?

 
When an 8 month pregnant women gets shot at her front door the most likely suspect is the child's father.
I didn't say anything to the contrary. Just that if somebody saw somebody matching his description, that would probably be sufficient to order forensics tests.

OTOH, most paternity-related murders aren't committed by people about to become multi-millionaires in a mtter of days. Anything is possible, but it sounds far fetched (Collins was supposedly an Eagle Scout and sounds pretty responsible in many ways). Anybody who points out exceptions like Carruth, AH, etc., has to acknowledge they ARE exceptions by a massive percentage. People do get murdered sometimes, it could be completely random that he knew her, or turns out to be the father (if this is even established).
It's also a huge exception that a potential 1st round draft pick would be linked to a murder the day before the draft.

I'm not saying he was involved, but it's within the realm of possibility. I would not rule him out as this point.
It seems highly unlikely, I never said or implied ruled out.

If, God forbid, your recent ex (maybe pregnant with your child) was murdered, and the police didn't have any leads, they might want to question you. Routinely.
They should want to talk to him, just as they should consider him and any other possible fathers of the child suspects.
Right, just like you would be a suspect in similar circumstances.

 
Right, just like you would be a suspect in similar circumstances.
I would absolutely expect to be, which is why this "he's not a suspect" thing is joke.

If there's zero chance he could be the father then why isn't his lawyer saying that?

 
So are guys saying that every single person the police ask to talk to regarding this should hire a lawyer?

And everyone should hire PI?

Boren said he has retained the services of a private investigative firm to help him prove that Collins was not close to Mills' home when she was murdered.
He is under the gun (so to speak) and racing against the clock to exonerate himself before tomorrow night if possible. If a lawyer and/or PI could help you expedite this process (witness depositions?), the onus is on you to explain why you wouldn't do that? That is just common sense?
Fair enough.

However, the one thing I wouldn't do is get on a plane to Chicago after I just found out that the police want to talk to me about the murder of a murder who might have been pregnant with my child.

 
The NFL has a lot of law enforcement connections at their disposal. A lot may be known by tomorrow night as far as his alibi. But, yeah, with the paternity test not slated until next week, this is just going to be a cloud hanging over him, even if he was completely innocent. Don't see how everything could possibly be answered in the next 24 hours.

It pales in comparison to the tragedy of a murder, but I wonder how it impacts his stock (if he is innocent).

 
“Your ex-girlfriend was murdered, but her baby survived. The baby might be yours.”

“It’s probably not. I’m off to the NFL draft!”

 
Right, just like you would be a suspect in similar circumstances.
I would absolutely expect to be, which is why this "he's not a suspect" thing is joke.

If there's zero chance he could be the father then why isn't his lawyer saying that?
I don't think it is a joke, just that it is often routine to question somebody close to a murdered victim, even if they *REALLY* aren't viewed as a prime suspect.

He could be the father and not the murderer, obviously, they may not be inextricably linked.

* Don't know, but with the mother gone, and paternity now in question, is it a legal requirement to undergo paternity test ASAP, for potential establishment of child support, if applicable?

 
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This is all over the radio, in Charlotte anyway because radio types have loved Collins, but I'm not really sure why.

From what I've read he isn't a suspect. Why would his stock drop because of this. I mean people here are saying he's lucky to go in the 4th round now.
Mayock isn't the only scout that has him as the top OT in the draft. Coyle has him as the top guard (with Scherff ranked as top OT). Nothing wrong with his pass pro metrics (below), he is one of the better run blockers, and has the versatility to maybe play four positions, everything but center. He was reportedly one of the most highly recruited OL in LA state history.

"LSU OL La'El Collins tied for first in College Football Focus' pass-blocking efficiency metric.

He shared the honor with Northern Illinois' Ryan Brown. You know that we love Collins and rank him as the No. 1 offensive lineman in the class, believing he can stick at left tackle. Here's the numbers to back up the assertion: Collins allowed no sacks, zero hits and only four hurries on 312 pass-blocking plays. Remember that on draft day when it is suggested Collins could struggle with pass pro in the NFL." Apr 23 - 7:45 PM

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/cfb/132727/lael-collins
again... my lazy afternoon and web browsing led me to an LSU site. Some locals reported that Collins was very "Entitled" in how he interacted with people. He was described as not very bright and not really a good person. So take it as you will. Just one person's interpretation of the kid.

No contact with this female September either and somehow he is involved enough that the police requested to talk to him during the biggest night of his life.
I think it is routine in any murder without an obvious lead (in this case, she might have known the person and let them in, I think was reported), to start from those closest to the victim first. Family, friends, co-workers, neighbors, extra-curricular activities (gym?), organizational affilation contacts? As a former boy friend, he would certainly fit that description. That is just SOP, if only to rule them out.
I definitely agree with you here and I'm not rushing to judgment, but the facts that are out there right now don't paint La'el in the best light.

We're 5 days past the murder now. The smart play is to call the police station after you hear about it. Offer everything they need and THEN fly to Chicago. If you may or may not be the father of an unborn child inside a murder victim, you're INVOLVED... Get it out of the way and then chase your dream. La'el chose a different route and now it has his name everywhere.

Half the reason this is public is because the police couldn't get in touch with him. I just refuse to believe he didn't know about this until 2 days after the fact.

Heck the sister of the murdered girl wouldn't even go on record talking about la'el. She said it "needed to play out through legal matters". That isn't a good sign either.

These are not good signs. GMs are in no rush to attach their name to this kid. He will fall and probably hard.

 
So are guys saying that every single person the police ask to talk to regarding this should hire a lawyer?

And everyone should hire PI?

Boren said he has retained the services of a private investigative firm to help him prove that Collins was not close to Mills' home when she was murdered.
He is under the gun (so to speak) and racing against the clock to exonerate himself before tomorrow night if possible. If a lawyer and/or PI could help you expedite this process (witness depositions?), the onus is on you to explain why you wouldn't do that? That is just common sense?
Fair enough.

However, the one thing I wouldn't do is get on a plane to Chicago after I just found out that the police want to talk to me about the murder of a murder who might have been pregnant with my child.
Do we know enough from the blurbs to reconstruct that Collins was definitely wanted for questioning by the police BEFORE leaving town? Is he on the run and eluding police? He wouldn't have been too hard to find if he had remained at the draft. I don't recall, but thought the story just broke YESTERDAY, that the police wanted to meet with him for questioning?

 
So are guys saying that every single person the police ask to talk to regarding this should hire a lawyer?

And everyone should hire PI?

Boren said he has retained the services of a private investigative firm to help him prove that Collins was not close to Mills' home when she was murdered.
He is under the gun (so to speak) and racing against the clock to exonerate himself before tomorrow night if possible. If a lawyer and/or PI could help you expedite this process (witness depositions?), the onus is on you to explain why you wouldn't do that? That is just common sense?
Fair enough.

However, the one thing I wouldn't do is get on a plane to Chicago after I just found out that the police want to talk to me about the murder of a murder who might have been pregnant with my child.
Do we know enough from the blurbs to reconstruct that Collins was definitely wanted for questioning by the police BEFORE leaving town? Is he on the run and eluding police? He wouldn't have been too hard to find if he had remained at the draft. I don't recall, but thought the story just broke YESTERDAY, that the police wanted to meet with him for questioning?
I'm going off this poorly worded statement, But it sounds to me like Collins wasn't being responsive to the initial inquiries. This statement was on Tuesday. 4 days after the murder.

Cpl. Don Coppola with the Baton Rouge Police Department said they were trying to reach Collins now.

“We are consistently pursuing getting in touch with him, not as a suspect, but to ask him questions about the victim,” Coppola said. “Detectives have reached out and been in touch with his agent.
 
Do we know enough from the blurbs to reconstruct that Collins was definitely wanted for questioning by the police BEFORE leaving town? Is he on the run and eluding police? He wouldn't have been too hard to find if he had remained at the draft. I don't recall, but thought the story just broke YESTERDAY, that the police wanted to meet with him for questioning?
Yes, the police contacted him and he texted back that he was in Atlanta boarding a plane for Chicago and would have his agent contact them.

When WAFB contacted Collins by text message Tuesday, he replied that he was in Atlanta boarding a plane for Chicago and that his agent would be contacting the station for comment. His agent has not yet done so.
 
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I would at least talk to them and say where I was that night, especially if I did have a solid alibi like his lawyer claims.
Getting a lawyer can in no way hurt you in this circumstance. What you're saying makes no sense.
It's all about public perception.
I have no idea if he is involved with the young lady’s murder but him getting a lawyer is the smart thing for him (or anyone if they can afford one) to do. Getting a lawyer doesn’t make him more suspicious to me.

Now him leaving town (unless he got the call from police as he was already boarding the flight) doesn’t look good.

 
Do we know enough from the blurbs to reconstruct that Collins was definitely wanted for questioning by the police BEFORE leaving town? Is he on the run and eluding police? He wouldn't have been too hard to find if he had remained at the draft. I don't recall, but thought the story just broke YESTERDAY, that the police wanted to meet with him for questioning?
Yes, the police contacted him and he texted back that he was in Atlanta boarding a plane for Chicago and would have his agent contact them.

When WAFB contacted Collins by text message Tuesday, he replied that he was in Atlanta boarding a plane for Chicago and that his agent would be contacting the station for comment. His agent has not yet done so.
I think we are talking about two different things. I asked if it was clear police contacted him prior to departing for Chicago. You are citing WAFB, which I assume is a news station. Not the same as failing to respond to a direct request by the police to appear immediately for questioning.

The latest from PFT:

Teams anxious to get reliable information on La’el Collins by Mike Florio

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/04/29/teams-anxious-to-get-reliable-information-on-lael-collins/

As eleventh-hour surprises go, there are the conveniently-timed smokescreens and the poorly-timed blunders. Then there are the horribly-timed, complicated situations that require teams to sift through troubling details in a very small handful of days.

For tackle La’El Collins, the timing couldn’t be much worse because the time to figure out his situation couldn’t be much more limited.

It’s known that police want to talk to Collins regarding a murder investigation. It’s also known that Collins believes he has an alibi, and that his lawyer hopes Collins will be ruled out as a suspect — which means he still could be, in theory, ruled in. It’s further known that the woman who has murdered was pregnant, and that Collins possibly was the father.

Some teams fear that, if Collins ultimately is determined to be the father, he could end up being a suspect. Regardless of the quality of his own personal alibi, police would need to determine that Collins has no connection of any kind to the persons who committed the crime before conclusively finding that Collins had nothing to do with it.

At this point, there’s no evidence that points to Collins as a suspect. But teams making significant investments in post-Ray Rice reality of the NFL can’t afford, less than a month after the conviction of Aaron Hernandez for the killing of Odin Lloyd, to take a chance on Collins without knowing for sure that Collins won’t become a suspect, a defendant, or eventually a convict for something that happened before his name was written onto the card.

 
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I think ultimately what you just posted is exactly why he wont go in the first round anymore. Maybe not even in round 2.

 
No way this guy clears himself by tomorrow. If he's innocent, the police just cost him millions of dollars. If he's guilty, it's a disaster for the victim, her family, and the NFL.

 
So are guys saying that every single person the police ask to talk to regarding this should hire a lawyer?

And everyone should hire PI?

Boren said he has retained the services of a private investigative firm to help him prove that Collins was not close to Mills' home when she was murdered.
Abso####ingloutely

 
If you were an NFL GM and you drafted this guy in round?? and then he turns out to be involved how do you think that is going to go over with your owner? If I were drafting he'd be of my board til round 5 at the earliest. This whole thing is a potential mess and any smart GM would distance himself as far as possible from him. Guys with possible murder implications drop for good reason.

 
La'el better hope that there is "no way" that they will ever find out who it was that pulled that trigger.

My guess is that if they find out who actually pulled the trigger that that person will rat on him.

If they don't find out who shot her La'el will probably never be convicted on simply circumstantial evidence...

This will probably not resolve itself in the next 20 hours...

 
Isn't this all too much last minute madness NOT to risk a later pick on him, even if the rumors are true and you never end up actually signing?

I am going to assume he's innocent until proven guilty, or you know we actually know at least a few hard facts, even if his twitter trial has already convicted him.

First team that comes to mind is SEA who has a ton of picks but none before the 60s. Can you imagine if SEA drafts him at the end of the 6th and burns a pick that has next to no chance of making the roster anyway... and it turned out we actually don't know the entire story just yet? Could be a 10yr starter on the OL for the price of a discount scratcher ticket.

Don't get me wrong, if he is actually guilty of what he is being accused of here I hope he burns. I have just seen the twitter lynch mob go sideways before when the hive mind is dead certain they know all the details of a situation instantaneously when obviously they can't possibly.

 
No.

He's lawyered up, and not even tried to help the police rule him out as a suspect.

He's avoided the police's phone calls and requests for an interview for DAYS.

He's hired a P.I. to "prove" he wasn't there, without even speaking to police.

No way he's not guilty.

No way any team drafts him, ever.

 
The NFL has a lot more information than we do so if there's *any* chance he's innocent then someone will draft him.

 

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