LaFell, Gettis, Armanti - what's the shark move here? (1 Viewer)

[Zdravko]

Chances are Carolina will be behind a lot and will have to throw the ball plenty.

Assuming Steve Smith leaves as expected, what is the shark move here - LaFell, Gettis or Armanti?

Or can the Panthers afford to spend another pick on a WR?

 

[BassNBrew]

Chances are Carolina will be behind a lot and will have to throw the ball plenty.Assuming Steve Smith leaves as expected, what is the shark move here - LaFell, Gettis or Armanti?Or can the Panthers afford to spend another pick on a WR?

They were behind a lot last year and you see what kind of fantasy stats their WRs garnered. Unless you're in a 16 team league the shark move is none of the above. You'd be much better served by playing the lottery in STL, SD, etc. You'll be able to ww a WR equal to any of these guys.

 

[Eastwood]

all could be great pickups IF the Panthers sign a FA or draft a good rookie QB (NOT Netwon)

 

[Shermdog4444]

I dont expect the panthers to draft a WR this year They have too many other needs. I would say Gettis is the guy to grab. He was pretty impressive last year with good speed and hands. I think LaFell gets more name recognition so people over look Gettis a bit. If the panthers take Cam Newton I expect a lot of long bombs to Gettis towards the end of most games this season.

 

[Faust]

Great question.

Don't blame it all on Armanti Edwards

By Pat Yasinskas

In this Insider post, Todd McShay says the Carolina Panthers are feeling more urgency than teams who have held the No. 1 pick in past years.

The reason? McShay points to Armanti Edwards.

Yep, the Panthers gave up this year’s second-round pick, which turned out to be No. 33 overall, for the chance to take Edwards in the third round last year. The lack of a second-round pick, McShay reasons, could force the Panthers to take Auburn quarterback Cam Newton with the No. 1 overall pick. If the Panthers still had that second-round pick, the Panthers could use it on a quarterback or even package it to move back into the first round and grab a quarterback.

It all makes sense. But let me add one thing here. There are a lot of people in Carolina and elsewhere who point to Edwards as a bust and they blame him for the Panthers being without a second-round pick.

I don’t think that’s fair at all. The Panthers knew Edwards was a project when they drafted him. He’s a former college quarterback and the team views him as a wide receiver who also has some ability as a return man.

The problem was, former coach John Fox pretty much refused to let Edwards near the field as a rookie. Fox was fighting a youth movement as well as an owner and front office. Refusing to use guys like Edwards and starting Brian St. Pierre at quarterback ahead of rookie Tony Pike was Fox’s way of sending a message. It also turned out to be his way of getting run out of town.

I’d tell any Carolina fan not to give up on Edwards just yet. A big part of the reason Ron Rivera was hired as the new coach was because he’s open to building with youth. Carolina general manager Marty Hurney was the guy who drafted Edwards and he still has high hopes for him.

At least with Rivera, we’ll get a chance to see if Edwards was worth the draft pick.

Panthers’ Edwards stands to benefit from clean slate

Posted April 23, 2011 @ 12:45 p.m. ET

By Dan Parr

After WR Armanti Edwards' very disappointing rookie season, the Panthers' decision to trade their 2011 second-round pick — which ended up being the 33rd overall choice — to be in position to take him in the third round last year has been second-guessed, even by former head coach John Fox. Fox had little use for Edwards, playing him in only three games, but we hear Fox's successor, Ron Rivera, has a much more optimistic outlook on Edwards' future. Carolina hired former NFL WR Ricky Proehl as an offensive consultant this offseason and he's expected to work closely with Edwards and try to help him become a weapon in the slot. Edwards had a lot to digest last season, transitioning from playing quarterback at Appalachian State, and Carolina might try to simplify things for him this year after he was overwhelmed by trying to learn all three receiver positions last year, we're told. He might not get much time to work with Proehl and the rest of the staff, however, with the lockout lingering.

The NFL is all about talent and opportunity. With respect to Edwards, he is a bit of a raw project type of player so the talent part of the equation is hard to evaluate; however, it sounds like he will be given the opportunity to showcase his potential, and he wasn't given this chance last year under the Fox regime. It will be interesting to see how the WR depth chart will shake out and what direction the Panthers go with the # 1 pick.

 

[Shermdog4444]

Chances are Carolina will be behind a lot and will have to throw the ball plenty.Assuming Steve Smith leaves as expected, what is the shark move here - LaFell, Gettis or Armanti?Or can the Panthers afford to spend another pick on a WR?

They were behind a lot last year and you see what kind of fantasy stats their WRs garnered. Unless you're in a 16 team league the shark move is none of the above. You'd be much better served by playing the lottery in STL, SD, etc. You'll be able to ww a WR equal to any of these guys.

True they put up miserable FF stats last year but you have to remember that they have a new offensive coordinator(Chudzinski) and coach(Ron Rivera) this year that should be a lot less predictable and vanilla. I expect their offense to improve a lot this year. Also, whoever they settle on as their TE will be someone to stash away becasue Chuzinski's offense likes to lean on the TE.

 

[loose circuits]

Chances are Carolina will be behind a lot and will have to throw the ball plenty.Assuming Steve Smith leaves as expected, what is the shark move here - LaFell, Gettis or Armanti?Or can the Panthers afford to spend another pick on a WR?

They were behind a lot last year and you see what kind of fantasy stats their WRs garnered. Unless you're in a 16 team league the shark move is none of the above. You'd be much better served by playing the lottery in STL, SD, etc. You'll be able to ww a WR equal to any of these guys.

because no offense has ever improved before with better QB play? In my 12X30 non-IDP dynasty leagues I doubt there is any chance that you would be able to scoop up anything better on the WW. Maybe 1 or 2 guys throughout the whole season and what are the odds I end up with them?Having said all that, Gettis has as much upside as anyone ranked in his region. I think he's the most physically gifted of the bunch and also brings the most in terms of production on the NFL level

 

[loose circuits]

Also, whoever they settle on as their TE will be someone to stash away becasue Chuzinski's offense likes to lean on the TE.

Shockey was signed recently so I'd have to say it would be him, no?

 

[Shermdog4444]

Also, whoever they settle on as their TE will be someone to stash away becasue Chuzinski's offense likes to lean on the TE.

Shockey was signed recently so I'd have to say it would be him, no?

Yes, most likely for now but I also expect them to groom someone for the longterm. Gary Barnidge is a guy that is already on the roster with lots of talent that never seemed to put it all together under John Fox. I am keeping an eye on him. They also could very likely draft a TE.

 

[Tau837]

Unless you're in a 16 team league the shark move is none of the above. You'd be much better served by playing the lottery in STL, SD, etc. You'll be able to ww a WR equal to any of these guys.

 

[Faust]

NFL Draft 2011: When Could Carolina Panthers Address Wide Receiver?

By Jon Gilbert(Correspondent) on April 18, 2011

Carolina Panthers Draft: Would the Panthers be able to get help in the third round?

Steve Smith, honestly, is beyond his Pro Bowl days. That's not saying that he can't be a No. 1 receiver for a contending team. But there needs to be sufficient talent around him. As of now, David Gettis and Brandon LaFell aren't sufficient enough.

LaFell, in particular, does have talent necessary to be a complimentary receiver in the NFL. So does Gettis, but he's a No. 3 at best.

The Panthers must consider addressing the receiving corps. They met with Troy speedster Jerrel Jernigan April 14, reports Yahoo! Sports.

Jernigan, however, is widely considered to be a second-round pick. The Panthers currently don't have a second-round pick. Unless some unforeseen events shake up the draft, Jernigan will be gone when Carolina picks first in the third round.

Jernigan projects as a speedy and diminutive slot receiver that could demote Gettis. Jernigan's stock is rising as team's see him in the mold of Wes Welker or DeSean Jackson.

 

[Faust]

While I think that it is very unlikely that the Panthers will pick Green, there is some speculation that it could still be a viable option:

WR should make Clausen better

By Mel Kiper Jr.

ESPN.com

Quick, name a wide receiver picked No. 1 overall who ended up a bust.

Got an answer?

There isn't one. Really. Of course, it's also a bit of a trick question. The last wideout taken No. 1 overall was Keyshawn Johnson in 1996. Before that, it was Irving Fryar in 1984. They combined for 1,665 catches and 23,356 yards during their careers. Before that, only Dave Parks in 1964 qualifies as a modern-style wide receiver drafted No. 1 overall. He also was no bust. We know these numbers say more about the perceived value of wide receivers than they do about how safe the pick is. But if making a safe pick and looking out for the development of the quarterback is what Carolina really cares about, the Panthers should take A.J. Green, a guy certain to be a star at the next level.

Let's face it -- as I've said before -- there isn't a quarterback in this draft Carolina should expect to be a starter in 2011. In fact, Cam Newton and Blaine Gabbert could use at least a year of seasoning on an NFL bench if a franchise really wants the most out of them. Although there are also good defensive players available, if Carolina takes Green, the Panthers would help two positions immediately. If Carolina intends to develop quarterback Jimmy Clausen, who is just 23, it should give him the best target in the draft and create a chance to build chemistry. Green is superior to Panthers receivers Brandon LaFell and David Gettis, and drafting the Georgia receiver would take the onus off both of them. It makes sense from a personnel standpoint.

Green can do everything you want in an elite wideout. He can stretch the field, draw safety help on anything deep and open up passing lanes elsewhere. He can go over the middle and make catches in traffic, and he has the size (a hair under 6-4 and 211 pounds) to dominate the red zone. Green also has great speed (4.48 40 at the combine) and runs great routes.

If Clausen doesn't improve with Green, the Panthers will know they don't have their man at QB. If they want someone else altogether, the new starter will at least have an elite target. Either way, Carolina gains a solution.

And:

The gravity of the Panthers decision, should they choose Green

by James Dator on Apr 27, 2011 11:00 AM EDT

It seems too bizarrely fortuitous that the morning I decided to write about what A.J. Green would bring to the Panthers it would be roughly 12 hrs since the news broke that Steve Smith wanted out of Carolina. One point I had planned to make was about planning for the future, and Green being a chance to be a proactive, rather than reactive selection- but c'est la vie... it looks like he would be another attempt to bandaid a bullet hole.

As it stands I think there's an outside chance he's the pick, but a chance nonetheless- so lets look at what he brings to the organization.

1. Green has the rare talent to make his QB better

We all know the common thinking when it comes to a WR- they can't do anything without a good QB. However, when it comes to A.J. Green he's really one of the exceptions to this rule. He brings a rare combination of size, speed, athleticism and astounding hands to the table that truly makes the life of his QB easier. Need more proof? Look no further than to his QB Aaron Murray:

- Average game without A.J. Green (2010): 61.45% completion, 219.75 yards, 1.25 TD

- Average game with A.J. Green (2010): 64.53% completion, 246.5 yards, 2.37 TD

When you have a WR who can lift he QBs performance like that he becomes worthy of a top selection, especially when he's the surest thing on the offensive side of the ball.

In short, it gives the Panthers the best last chance to give Jimmy Clausen one last chance before deciding he was a waste of a 2nd round pick. If he can't succeed with A.J. Green at WR, then it's unlikely he'll be able to in any other situation. In this way Green fills myriad roles of helping you evaluate current talent, and set yourself up for the future.

2. He is a bonafide #1 receiver

Until last night this would seem to be a topic for the back-burner, or an afterthought... but now it has to become a stark realization that without Steve Smith the Carolina Panthers have far and away the worst receiving corps in the NFL. Both Brandon LaFell and David Gettis did very well as #2 receivers their first year, but one of the reasons this team got to 2-14 in the first place was putting too much stock in single season's worth of good numbers.

Though both were tremendous value where they were picked in the draft, and despite Gettis showing flashes of #1 WR ability, ultimately neither look like true #1 receivers, not yet.

3. Immediate impact

There's only one player at the top of the draft on the offensive side of the ball who can immediately step in and improve his team, and that's A.J. Green. Either of the quarterbacks would need at least one year of seasoning and instruction to be ready, but scouts believe Green's route running and feel for the game is already so advanced that he can step in immediately and contribute. Here's some food for thought:

- Andre Johnson: 976 yards, 4 TD his rookie season (David Carr as QB)

- Calvin Johnson: 756 yards, 4 TD his rookie season (John Kitna as QB)

- Larry Fitzgerald: 780 yards, 8 TD his rookie season (Josh McCown as QB)

Compare to

- Steve Smith: 556 yards, 2 TD (Jimmy Clausen as QB)

Despite Fitzgerald, Johnson and Johnson not having elite QBs, they still put forward better performances their rookie seasons than any Carolina Panthers WR did last year. If Green is truly in that same class, then he's worth the pick.

4. We have a precedent of getting the WR first making the most sense

I again need to lean on the above examples of Detroit, Houston and Arizona. Sure, Houston hadn't worked out David Carr was a complete bust yet in 2003, but how much easier did it make Matt Schaub's transition into the role of starting QB to have a #1 target out of the gate?

The Cardinals were relying on Josh McCown and passed on Philip Rivers when they took Larry Fitzgerald, but pairing Fitzgerald with Kurt Warner proved to be the dynamic needed to make them NFC champions.

Detroit were still looking for their way when they took Calvin Johnson, passing on Brady Quinn... but as it stands if Matt Stafford can remain healthy the nucleus is there.

Though some see it as putting the cart before the horse, the reality is that having an established and seasoned WR makes life easier for a QB when they hit the field. Even if the Panthers waited and took a Ryan Mallett/Ricky Stanzi later in the draft, having them on the bench while Green worked a full season would ultimately aid their transition.

5. This is a passing league

This is the phrase we keep hearing over, and over, and over again... and it's true. However, there's more that just getting a QB needed to fill in this equation, you also need a reliable WR. If you're going to look at this draft from offensive BPA (with BPA meaning the ideal for his position) then Green is the best guy you can take.

 

[Khalua83]

I say if you got two empty roster spots no reason to not have gettis/lafell on your team. I personally like Lafell more, I feel he has higher upside He just needed some time to grow in the nfl. Both had like 38 catches 500 yds as rookies. Not everyone can come into the leauge and randy moss it. Plus if you look closer those stats were comparable to steve smith. If he is so great why did he do that bad.....the QB! If they get any better qb play and these guys step it up and both start. Someone is going to be worth rostering.

 

[lyon812]

Honestly, they both seem like #2s. Part of that was due to the QB situation, but that isn't going to improve in the next couple of years.

Gettis showed flashes of talent with the speed and hands of a deep threat, but runs roughshod routes and gets physically overpowered by opposing DB's.

LaFell has good size and speed, isn't afraid to go across the middle, and made a number of clutch catches in big situations. Not that there were many of those. Regardless, this is a matter of consistent vs upside; I think Lafell's more reliable, but Gettis is the one that'll have those 6-150 days out of nowhere.

 

[Invictus~Bronte]

Out of the three current WR's discussed Gettis has the most physical upside, LaFell will be playing the most snaps as he's the best blocker and Edwards is still a project. When has any of the late QB College transition projects ever amounted to high productivity for Fantasy? I'm not gonna bet Edwards will set the bar with all the current woes in Carolina

 

[Steel Dillo]

I just hope that Clausen is smart enough to have called all these guys & set up work outs with them over the summer. They need all the extra practice together they can get.

 

[Faust]

Scouting Reports:

David Gettis, WR

Overview

A classic size-speed prospect, Gettis has been on the minds of NFL Southwest region scouts since coming on the scene as a top 50 California recruit out of Los Angeles. His 6-4 frame and track speed (he owned the best 400 meters time in high school track as a senior) give him the tools to be a fantastic receiver.

Baylor's passing attack has not been prolific over the past four years, which hurt Gettis' ability to wow the casual fan with awesome statistics. After a true freshman season in which he caught only four passes (82 yards, one score), he began to contribute more as a sophomore (31-407-0, eight starts) and junior (29-391-0, 10 starts) before finally earning honorable mention All-Big 12 honors with 52 catches for 675 yards and three touchdowns in 2009.

Far from a finished product, Gettis flashed explosive ability and the Texas vs. the Nation All-Star Challenge but clearly needs work catching the ball with his hands and more consistency as a route-runner. Teams will look at him as a mid-round pick worth taking a chance on.

Analysis

Release: Has moves and strength to get past press coverage, but must be more quick and violent with his hands to beat the jam. Accelerates quickly off the line and gets past most corners with his long strides.

Hands: Catches nearly everything thrown his way, but traps the ball against his chest too often; needs to trust his large and strong hands and catch the ball away from his frame. Extends to grab wide throws and reaches above his head to snare high throws, exhibiting good body control in the air.

Route running: Uses his size and length to get physical separation, and his long strides are hard for corners to match when running full tilt down the sideline. Sells the deep route, but has better foot quickness than expected for his size when stopping to curl or turn outside. Working on sinking his hips to get into and out of cuts more fluidly.

After the catch: Possesses acceleration and elusiveness not expected of large receivers. Also able to stiff arm and run through smaller would-be tacklers in the secondary. Used on quick screens. Though he's taller than most kick returners, he has a chance to contribute there because he has a bit of elusiveness and hits holes at full stride.

Blocking: Uses his size to neutralize corners in the run game or on quick screens, dropping his hips and extending to keep them from ripping off. Needs to consistently give the effort to get to a target.

Intangibles: Took him some time to become a regular contributor despite his physical attributes. Puts effort in on the field now, however, gaining the respect of his teammates and coaches - and now looks to be ascending up draft boards in a similar way.

Brandon LaFell, WR

Overview

Known for his quiet production on the field, many scouts regard LaFell as one of the finest athletes in the draft. Even though he put up impressive numbers during his LSU career, he never developed into that franchise-type receiver many envisioned for him after he pulled down 63 passes and gained 929 yards with eight touchdowns during his junior campaign.

Still, he became one of the most productive receivers in school history with 175 career receptions for 2,517 yards and 25 touchdowns, LaFell ranks second in Tiger annals with 25 touchdown catches, including pulling down 19 scoring tosses during his final two seasons. His eleven touchdowns in 2009 rank second on the Tigers' all-time record chart.

He would end his college career by catching at least one pass in each of his final 41 games.

LaFell finished third in school annals in receptions, while his receiving yardage places him fifth on that career-record chart. His 175 grabs led the Southeastern Conference's active receivers, as did his 25 touchdowns. Only Shay Hodge of Mississippi (2,646 yards) had more receiving yards among the SEC players that competed last season.

Flying "under the radar" is nothing new for LaFell. During his days at Lamar High School, he was known more for his skills at defensive back before receiving national attention as a receiver during his senior season. That year, he caught 46 passes for 1,116 yards and 16 touchdowns and continued to excel as a defensive back, pulling down eight interceptions and returning four for touchdowns, including one for 87 yards. On special teams, he returned punts of 65 and 58 yards for touchdowns.

LaFell's best game during his final campaign came when he recorded seven catches for 224 yards and two touchdowns vs. Bellaire High. As a junior, he hauled in 49 passes for 552 yards and 15 touchdowns. He was a member of the Houston Chronicle Top 100 and named first-team All-Greater Houston Area in 2004. He also received Tom Lemming Prep All-American recognition. In addition to his exploits on the football field, he was also a standout point guard on the basketball team.

LaFell enrolled at Louisiana State in 2005, spending the season performing on the scout team as a red-shirt. Listed deep down the depth chart behind All-Southeastern Conference receivers Dwayne Bowe, Early Doucet and Craig Davis, LaFell appeared in 11 games in 2006, coming up with five catches for 140 yards (28.0-yard average) and a pair of touchdowns, giving LSU fans hope that there would still be a bright future for the receiving unit that was hit hard by the graduations of Davis and Bowe.

LaFell became much more involved in the aerial game as a sophomore, starting nine of the fourteen games while sharing duties with Doucet and Demetrius Byrd. He finished second on the squad with 50 receptions, pacing the Tigers with 656 yards (13.12-yard average) that included four touchdown grabs. The first time he handled the ball out of the backfield, he scored on an 18-yard reverse vs. Middle Tennessee.

As a junior, LaFell started twelve games at the "Z" receiver position. He was named first-team All-SEC as he led the team with 63 catches that were good for 929 yards (14.75-yard average) and eight touchdowns. His reception total rank eighth on the school season-record list while his receiving yardage placed tenth. His average of 4.85 receptions per game was the third-best total in the conference and his 71.46 yards receiving per game ranked second.

LaFell was named to the coaches' All-SEC second-team in 2009. His eleven touchdown catches are tied with Devery Henderson (2003) and Wendell Davis (1986) for second on the Tigers' season-record chart. He took down 57 receptions that totaled 792 yards (13.89-yard average), despite playing for a team that finished 97th in the nation in passing (181.77), one of LSU's lowest rankings in the last 20 years.

Analysis

Release: Good quickness off the snap. Good hand strength to slap away the opponent's attempt at the jam. Good lateral quickness to jab step and gain a free release. Accelerates smoothly to challenge deep despite only marginal top-end speed.

Hands: Good hands for the reception. Can snatch the ball out of the air outside of his frame. Will attempt to make a move before securing the ball at times, resulting in some drops due to a loss of concentration. Typically secures the ball quickly and looks to gain additional yardage. Can track the ball over either shoulder. "Boxes out" the cornerback effectively to make the contested grab.

Route running: Enough top-end speed to challenge deep, and a good route-runner with the body control to sink his hips and generate burst out of his breaks to gain separation. Very effective post and slant route-runner.

After the catch: Best attribute might be his overall physicality for the position. Good vision and burst to gain yardage after the catch, though he has shown a tendency to lose his balance as he tries to make cuts at full-speed. Courageous going over the middle and fights for every ball thrown his way. Takes a hit and hangs on to the ball.

Blocking: Physical downfield blocker. Seems to take pride in his ability to keep his assignment from making the tackle. Looks to escort his teammate downfield if he breaks into the open.

Intangibles: Prototypical build for an NFL receiver. Long-armed, muscled up frame. Appears capable of handling the jump in size and physicality of the NFL immediately, but needs to prove that 2008 was no fluke, as his production jumped significantly from 2007.

NFL Comparison: Anquan Boldin, Cardinals

And finally:Armanti Edwards, WR

04/25/2010 - COULD SURPRISE: Wide receiver/ returner Armanti Edwards. It may take a few years but Edwards could develop into a game-breaker for the Panthers.

Overview

Had Edwards enjoyed his level of success playing for Alabama, USC or Texas, he might be the most celebrated quarterback in the nation.

Though most football fans only know him for leading Appalachian State to a dramatic 2008 upset over Michigan, Edwards led the Mountaineers to four consecutive Southern Conference championships and two national titles. He won the Walter Payton Award winner (the FCS version of the Heisman Trophy) as a junior and senior - the first player to ever win the award twice.

Edwards' production with the Mountaineers is straight out of a video game. He leaves having started 49 of 51 games and completing 65.1 percent of his passes for 10,392 yards and 74 touchdowns (against 33 interceptions) and running for 4,631 yards and 56 touchdowns.

Edwards' production, alone, should be enough to earn him a look from scouts. When they break down his game, however, they'll find that he's a legitimate NFL quarterback prospect with the arm strength, accuracy and poise to warrant at least late-round consideration. His athleticism may also get him a shot as a receiver and return specialist, as scouts have worked him out at those positions during the draft process.

Analysis

Accuracy: Shows legitimate accuracy on short to intermediate passes that require zip, but loses it in this area when the passes require touch. Best throws are typically on dig and drag routes across the middle, where Edwards consistently hits his wideouts in stride. Good accuracy on the deep out to the sideline, away from the defender. Good touch for the dump-off passes to the back, but often misfires on longer passes requiring some touch. Passes tend to come in too hot and too flat, not allowing the receiver to get under them sufficiently.

Arm Strength: Plenty of arm-strength to make every NFL throw. Can stick the deep-out and attack the defense over the top. Relies too much on his arm strength.

Setup/Release: Taking the majority of snaps out of shotgun, Edwards will need work in his drop back from center. He has the athleticism to handle this transition, but his lack of height is a significant concern, the greatest reason many will project him as a wide receiver. Edwards scans the field easily and has an efficient set up and quick delivery of the football.

Reading Defenses: Had the advantage of making adjustments from shotgun. Trusted on the field by the coaching staff to put the team in winning situations on each play. Team didn't huddle pre-snap and relied on Edwards to call audibles. Good poise in the pocket but was not asked to make more than one or two reads before running.

On the Move: Elusive in the pocket and a constant threat to leave the pocket and run on his own. Prides himself, however, on exhausting his pass options before running. Feels the pocket collapsing and is willing to step up in the pocket or laterally to keep his options. Keeps his eyes downfield. Good lateral agility to elude in the open field. Quick release and good accuracy when throwing on the move make him tough to defend.

Intangibles: The first two-time winner of the Walter Payton Award, the FCS' version of the Heisman Trophy. Former prep wide receiver with the size and athleticism that will cause some to project him back at this position in the NFL. Renowned for his poise and clutch play in critical situations, including the upset over Michigan in the Big House, four consecutive Southern Conference titles and two National Championships. Graduated from Appalachian State in 3.5 years -- a feat matched by only 2.8 percent of Appalachian State students in its latest graduating class.

 

[Zdravko]

Unless you're in a 16 team league the shark move is none of the above. You'd be much better served by playing the lottery in STL, SD, etc. You'll be able to ww a WR equal to any of these guys.

First off, new coach, new coordinator, new QB most likely. Most offenses improve under those circumstances.Second, you don't need 16 teams. 12 will do, with deep rosters. Half of my leagues are 12x24 or deeper. Gettis and LaFell are owned across the board. So the question is hardly who is WW material, the question is who is the best trade target.

 

[Touchdown There]

My gut tells me that the Panthers are going to draft AJ Green first overall tomorrow night. I think they want to trade down, but will not be able to.

 

[Eastwood]

My gut tells me that the Panthers are going to draft AJ Green first overall tomorrow night. I think they want to trade down, but will not be able to.

I hope your gut is right but I have my doubts. :(

 

[Orange Crush]

The shark move here is to talk up whichever of those receivers you have on your roster and then trade him to some schmuck who actually thinks any of those guys has a chance to put up numbers next year.

 

[loose circuits]

The shark move here is to talk up whichever of those receivers you have on your roster and then trade him to some schmuck who actually thinks any of those guys has a chance to put up numbers next year.

I couldn't disagree more. I own Gettis and wouldn't move him because you can't get anything comparable to his upside in return

 

[Orange Crush]

The shark move here is to talk up whichever of those receivers you have on your roster and then trade him to some schmuck who actually thinks any of those guys has a chance to put up numbers next year.

I couldn't disagree more. I own Gettis and wouldn't move him because you can't get anything comparable to his upside in return

If you can't spot the sucker at the table ...

 

[UTLonghorn31]

3 rookie WRs had multiple games with 6 or more catches:

Dez Bryant, 3 games

Brandon LaFell, 2 games

Mike Williams, 2 games

If you are in a PPR league, there you have it.

 

[loose circuits]

The shark move here is to talk up whichever of those receivers you have on your roster and then trade him to some schmuck who actually thinks any of those guys has a chance to put up numbers next year.

I couldn't disagree more. I own Gettis and wouldn't move him because you can't get anything comparable to his upside in return

If you can't spot the sucker at the table ...

sucker at the table? I got him off the waiver wire last season after week 2. His physical talent is as good as anyone at the position and he's already shown a lot more than LaFell who many people paid either a late 1st or 2nd round pick for

 

[BassNBrew]

Unless you're in a 16 team league the shark move is none of the above. You'd be much better served by playing the lottery in STL, SD, etc. You'll be able to ww a WR equal to any of these guys.

First off, new coach, new coordinator, new QB most likely. Most offenses improve under those circumstances.Second, you don't need 16 teams. 12 will do, with deep rosters. Half of my leagues are 12x24 or deeper. Gettis and LaFell are owned across the board. So the question is hardly who is WW material, the question is who is the best trade target.

fyi...both recently went in rd 19/20 in a 16 teamer. That would be after the 24th rd in a 12 teamer. If you feel the ADP of the sharks in the pre-draft survivor leagues are off, I invite you to join us in the spring survivor leagues starting after the draft (see my sig).

 

[Go deep]

Dez Brant and Brandon Lafell both missed a handful of games and finished less than 100 yards apart.....just saying.

 

[Zdravko]

If you don't think any of them is worth a roster spot, that's fine, but the question really is about who is the best value. If you don't like 'em, just don't buy 'em and answer the question anyway.

I was quite high on LaFell after his preseason, but he did zilch with the opportunity. Somehow Gettis, who is clearly the more raw WR, ended up with a better catch % and higher yards per target. And Armanti was a higher pick than both.

That doesn't make me all warm and fuzzy about LaFell going forward. If I had to pick one right now, I'd say Gettis has the most upside and is the only one who has shown flashes of FF starter potential.

But I suppose the real question is who gets Steve Smith's targets. If Weeks 15-17 are any indication, I should expect a 50-50 split.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Dez Brant and Brandon Lafell both missed a handful of games and finished less than 100 yards apart.....just saying.

Oh I am so using this next time I try to trade LaFell

 

[BassNBrew]

Dez Brant and Brandon Lafell both missed a handful of games and finished less than 100 yards apart.....just saying.

Oh I am so using this next time I try to trade LaFell

Hope the Panthers are using it too.

 

[The Commish]

Agree with those saying stay away. Unless you are finding yourself in the last round looking for a WR to fill out your roster, you stay away from them. I'd keep an eye on them and at the first sign of consistent success, I'd snatch one of Gettis or La Fell. So many things of changed, I keep telling myself it can't be worse than last year, but until I see improvement at QB, I stay away.

 

[Tau837]

The shark move here is to talk up whichever of those receivers you have on your roster and then trade him to some schmuck who actually thinks any of those guys has a chance to put up numbers next year.

I couldn't disagree more. I own Gettis and wouldn't move him because you can't get anything comparable to his upside in return

If you can't spot the sucker at the table ...

 

[Tau837]

The shark move here is to talk up whichever of those receivers you have on your roster and then trade him to some schmuck who actually thinks any of those guys has a chance to put up numbers next year.

I couldn't disagree more. I own Gettis and wouldn't move him because you can't get anything comparable to his upside in return

If you can't spot the sucker at the table ...

sucker at the table? I got him off the waiver wire last season after week 2. His physical talent is as good as anyone at the position and he's already shown a lot more than LaFell who many people paid either a late 1st or 2nd round pick for

Anyone? Really?

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

I don't know what upside people are talking about with Gettis.I think (if any) the guy to grab there is Lafell...he seemed to flourish last year in the few opportunities when he got solid passes thrown his way.Not saying i think hes a stud or anything, but, if one of them is gonna produce a 'break out' season (WR2/WR3 numbers) I think it would be Lafell. But i guess it would depend on who gets the most targets out of all of them. Not sure any of them are going to emerge at all.

 

[TheFanatic]

The shark move here is to talk up whichever of those receivers you have on your roster and then trade him to some schmuck who actually thinks any of those guys has a chance to put up numbers next year.

I couldn't disagree more. I own Gettis and wouldn't move him because you can't get anything comparable to his upside in return

If you can't spot the sucker at the table ...

sucker at the table? I got him off the waiver wire last season after week 2. His physical talent is as good as anyone at the position and he's already shown a lot more than LaFell who many people paid either a late 1st or 2nd round pick for

Anyone? Really?

The guy is 6' 4" with excellent size and speed and really good hands when he doesn't catch the ball against his body. So yeah, just about anyone. Does he have the drive of Jerry Rice, or the freakish ability to snag any ball thrown at him like Randy Moss, does he block down field like Hines Ward, or the route running skills of Larry Fitzgerald? We don't really know that just yet. But physically, he has all the tools.

 

[Tau837]

The shark move here is to talk up whichever of those receivers you have on your roster and then trade him to some schmuck who actually thinks any of those guys has a chance to put up numbers next year.

I couldn't disagree more. I own Gettis and wouldn't move him because you can't get anything comparable to his upside in return

If you can't spot the sucker at the table ...

sucker at the table? I got him off the waiver wire last season after week 2. His physical talent is as good as anyone at the position and he's already shown a lot more than LaFell who many people paid either a late 1st or 2nd round pick for

Anyone? Really?

The guy is 6' 4" with excellent size and speed and really good hands when he doesn't catch the ball against his body. So yeah, just about anyone. Does he have the drive of Jerry Rice, or the freakish ability to snag any ball thrown at him like Randy Moss, does he block down field like Hines Ward, or the route running skills of Larry Fitzgerald? We don't really know that just yet. But physically, he has all the tools.

Physical talent includes size, speed, quickness, leaping ability, body control, stamina, toughness, and to some degree hands (there is also a concentration factor with hands). And I probably missed some. Drive and blocking ability aren't about physical talent IMO.To say the guy has very good physical talent is a lot different than to say it's as good as any NFL WR. That's just silly talk.

 

[RobertBobson]

I don’t think that’s fair at all. The Panthers knew Edwards was a project when they drafted him. He’s a former college quarterback and the team views him as a wide receiver who also has some ability as a return man. The problem was, former coach John Fox pretty much refused to let Edwards near the field as a rookie. Fox was fighting a youth movement as well as an owner and front office. Refusing to use guys like Edwards and starting Brian St. Pierre at quarterback ahead of rookie Tony Pike was Fox’s way of sending a message. It also turned out to be his way of getting run out of town. I’d tell any Carolina fan not to give up on Edwards just yet. A big part of the reason Ron Rivera was hired as the new coach was because he’s open to building with youth. Carolina general manager Marty Hurney was the guy who drafted Edwards and he still has high hopes for him. At least with Rivera, we’ll get a chance to see if Edwards was worth the draft pick.

Stuff like that is so frustrating as a fan, when the coach and front office are not on the same page. I understand completely why a coach, who is fearing for his job, would be adverse to playing rookies and developing young players, at the cost of the current season. Coaches feel the pressure of having to "win now" and I can understand why a coach would want to play vets and players he ( thinks) he can trust over unproven younger players. But I think that kind of mentality is so destructive to a team that needs to rebuild in order to compete for championships. If I was the owner of a team, who was several major pieces away from winning, I would make my decisions on firing coaches not on wins or losses, but on the coach's ability and willingness to develop younger players. I would have snap fired fox the second he started Brian St. Pierre. In other news, as an Orton owner on a couple teams, I hope fox sticks with this philosophy, and keeps Tebow's ### on the bench

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

The shark move here is to talk up whichever of those receivers you have on your roster and then trade him to some schmuck who actually thinks any of those guys has a chance to put up numbers next year.

I couldn't disagree more. I own Gettis and wouldn't move him because you can't get anything comparable to his upside in return

If you can't spot the sucker at the table ...

sucker at the table? I got him off the waiver wire last season after week 2. His physical talent is as good as anyone at the position and he's already shown a lot more than LaFell who many people paid either a late 1st or 2nd round pick for

Anyone? Really?

The guy is 6' 4" with excellent size and speed and really good hands when he doesn't catch the ball against his body. So yeah, just about anyone. Does he have the drive of Jerry Rice, or the freakish ability to snag any ball thrown at him like Randy Moss, does he block down field like Hines Ward, or the route running skills of Larry Fitzgerald? We don't really know that just yet. But physically, he has all the tools.

I don't think you have watched him much to be honest.Because if you did then you would have seen a slow 6'3" WR that only body catches and runs mediocre routes,Not a fast, 6'4" ,hands catcher. That sounds more like A J Green than David Gettis.I realize he ran fast at the combine, but I watched all his targets this year and he doesnt really seem to play as fast as his combine speed says.

 

[TheFanatic]

The shark move here is to talk up whichever of those receivers you have on your roster and then trade him to some schmuck who actually thinks any of those guys has a chance to put up numbers next year.

I couldn't disagree more. I own Gettis and wouldn't move him because you can't get anything comparable to his upside in return

If you can't spot the sucker at the table ...

sucker at the table? I got him off the waiver wire last season after week 2. His physical talent is as good as anyone at the position and he's already shown a lot more than LaFell who many people paid either a late 1st or 2nd round pick for

Anyone? Really?

The guy is 6' 4" with excellent size and speed and really good hands when he doesn't catch the ball against his body. So yeah, just about anyone. Does he have the drive of Jerry Rice, or the freakish ability to snag any ball thrown at him like Randy Moss, does he block down field like Hines Ward, or the route running skills of Larry Fitzgerald? We don't really know that just yet. But physically, he has all the tools.

Physical talent includes size, speed, quickness, leaping ability, body control, stamina, toughness, and to some degree hands (there is also a concentration factor with hands). And I probably missed some. Drive and blocking ability aren't about physical talent IMO.To say the guy has very good physical talent is a lot different than to say it's as good as any NFL WR. That's just silly talk.

Jermarcus Russel has all the physical talent in the world. So did Ryan Leaf. It's the intangibles that we don't know about for Gettis. His physical prowess is on par with the elite in the league. Doesn't mean he won't be an absolute bust, but he is a very gifted athlete. The thing is, physical talent gets one to the dance, it's the rest that make the guy great (other than for Randy Moss, he's just a freak). Speaking of Moss, he's got a lot more talent than Rice, but Rice is a much better WR and it has nothing to do with that list you put down.Don't look at his paltry numbers from last year and assume the guy can't get it done and then mock his physical gifts. 6' 4" with freakishly fast feet and really good hands? But there's a lot more to it than that to be a pro-bowler.

 

[Tau837]

The shark move here is to talk up whichever of those receivers you have on your roster and then trade him to some schmuck who actually thinks any of those guys has a chance to put up numbers next year.

I couldn't disagree more. I own Gettis and wouldn't move him because you can't get anything comparable to his upside in return

If you can't spot the sucker at the table ...

sucker at the table? I got him off the waiver wire last season after week 2. His physical talent is as good as anyone at the position and he's already shown a lot more than LaFell who many people paid either a late 1st or 2nd round pick for

Anyone? Really?

The guy is 6' 4" with excellent size and speed and really good hands when he doesn't catch the ball against his body. So yeah, just about anyone. Does he have the drive of Jerry Rice, or the freakish ability to snag any ball thrown at him like Randy Moss, does he block down field like Hines Ward, or the route running skills of Larry Fitzgerald? We don't really know that just yet. But physically, he has all the tools.

Physical talent includes size, speed, quickness, leaping ability, body control, stamina, toughness, and to some degree hands (there is also a concentration factor with hands). And I probably missed some. Drive and blocking ability aren't about physical talent IMO.To say the guy has very good physical talent is a lot different than to say it's as good as any NFL WR. That's just silly talk.

Jermarcus Russel has all the physical talent in the world. So did Ryan Leaf. It's the intangibles that we don't know about for Gettis. His physical prowess is on par with the elite in the league. Doesn't mean he won't be an absolute bust, but he is a very gifted athlete. The thing is, physical talent gets one to the dance, it's the rest that make the guy great (other than for Randy Moss, he's just a freak). Speaking of Moss, he's got a lot more talent than Rice, but Rice is a much better WR and it has nothing to do with that list you put down.Don't look at his paltry numbers from last year and assume the guy can't get it done and then mock his physical gifts. 6' 4" with freakishly fast feet and really good hands? But there's a lot more to it than that to be a pro-bowler.

I haven't mocked his physical gifts. I have mocked the notion that he is as physically talented as any WR in the league, because that is a laughable statement IMO.

 

[TheFanatic]

The shark move here is to talk up whichever of those receivers you have on your roster and then trade him to some schmuck who actually thinks any of those guys has a chance to put up numbers next year.

I couldn't disagree more. I own Gettis and wouldn't move him because you can't get anything comparable to his upside in return

If you can't spot the sucker at the table ...

sucker at the table? I got him off the waiver wire last season after week 2. His physical talent is as good as anyone at the position and he's already shown a lot more than LaFell who many people paid either a late 1st or 2nd round pick for

Anyone? Really?

The guy is 6' 4" with excellent size and speed and really good hands when he doesn't catch the ball against his body. So yeah, just about anyone. Does he have the drive of Jerry Rice, or the freakish ability to snag any ball thrown at him like Randy Moss, does he block down field like Hines Ward, or the route running skills of Larry Fitzgerald? We don't really know that just yet. But physically, he has all the tools.

Physical talent includes size, speed, quickness, leaping ability, body control, stamina, toughness, and to some degree hands (there is also a concentration factor with hands). And I probably missed some. Drive and blocking ability aren't about physical talent IMO.To say the guy has very good physical talent is a lot different than to say it's as good as any NFL WR. That's just silly talk.

Jermarcus Russel has all the physical talent in the world. So did Ryan Leaf. It's the intangibles that we don't know about for Gettis. His physical prowess is on par with the elite in the league. Doesn't mean he won't be an absolute bust, but he is a very gifted athlete. The thing is, physical talent gets one to the dance, it's the rest that make the guy great (other than for Randy Moss, he's just a freak). Speaking of Moss, he's got a lot more talent than Rice, but Rice is a much better WR and it has nothing to do with that list you put down.Don't look at his paltry numbers from last year and assume the guy can't get it done and then mock his physical gifts. 6' 4" with freakishly fast feet and really good hands? But there's a lot more to it than that to be a pro-bowler.

I haven't mocked his physical gifts. I have mocked the notion that he is as physically talented as any WR in the league, because that is a laughable statement IMO.

I disagree.I feel that physical talent is only a part of a player's success. In a league that is being overrun with the smallish WR this guy stands out as a huge target. Could he be out of the league in 2 years? Sure. But I'm pretty sure he will be out of the league because of things not related to his physical gifts. Jerry Rice wasn't the fastest or tallest WR, but he is probably the greatest in history. Randy Moss has more raw physical talent than Jerry Rice but won't be anywhere near the guy in terms of career production.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

While I think that it is very unlikely that the Panthers will pick Green, there is some speculation that it could still be a viable option:

WR should make Clausen better

By Mel Kiper Jr.

ESPN.com

Quick, name a wide receiver picked No. 1 overall who ended up a bust.

Got an answer?

There isn't one. Really. Of course, it's also a bit of a trick question. The last wideout taken No. 1 overall was Keyshawn Johnson in 1996. Before that, it was Irving Fryar in 1984. They combined for 1,665 catches and 23,356 yards during their careers. Before that, only Dave Parks in 1964 qualifies as a modern-style wide receiver drafted No. 1 overall. He also was no bust. We know these numbers say more about the perceived value of wide receivers than they do about how safe the pick is. But if making a safe pick and looking out for the development of the quarterback is what Carolina really cares about, the Panthers should take A.J. Green, a guy certain to be a star at the next level.

Let's face it -- as I've said before -- there isn't a quarterback in this draft Carolina should expect to be a starter in 2011. In fact, Cam Newton and Blaine Gabbert could use at least a year of seasoning on an NFL bench if a franchise really wants the most out of them. Although there are also good defensive players available, if Carolina takes Green, the Panthers would help two positions immediately. If Carolina intends to develop quarterback Jimmy Clausen, who is just 23, it should give him the best target in the draft and create a chance to build chemistry. Green is superior to Panthers receivers Brandon LaFell and David Gettis, and drafting the Georgia receiver would take the onus off both of them. It makes sense from a personnel standpoint.

Green can do everything you want in an elite wideout. He can stretch the field, draw safety help on anything deep and open up passing lanes elsewhere. He can go over the middle and make catches in traffic, and he has the size (a hair under 6-4 and 211 pounds) to dominate the red zone. Green also has great speed (4.48 40 at the combine) and runs great routes.

If Clausen doesn't improve with Green, the Panthers will know they don't have their man at QB. If they want someone else altogether, the new starter will at least have an elite target. Either way, Carolina gains a solution.

And:

The gravity of the Panthers decision, should they choose Green

by James Dator on Apr 27, 2011 11:00 AM EDT

It seems too bizarrely fortuitous that the morning I decided to write about what A.J. Green would bring to the Panthers it would be roughly 12 hrs since the news broke that Steve Smith wanted out of Carolina. One point I had planned to make was about planning for the future, and Green being a chance to be a proactive, rather than reactive selection- but c'est la vie... it looks like he would be another attempt to bandaid a bullet hole.

As it stands I think there's an outside chance he's the pick, but a chance nonetheless- so lets look at what he brings to the organization.

1. Green has the rare talent to make his QB better

We all know the common thinking when it comes to a WR- they can't do anything without a good QB. However, when it comes to A.J. Green he's really one of the exceptions to this rule. He brings a rare combination of size, speed, athleticism and astounding hands to the table that truly makes the life of his QB easier. Need more proof? Look no further than to his QB Aaron Murray:

- Average game without A.J. Green (2010): 61.45% completion, 219.75 yards, 1.25 TD

- Average game with A.J. Green (2010): 64.53% completion, 246.5 yards, 2.37 TD

When you have a WR who can lift he QBs performance like that he becomes worthy of a top selection, especially when he's the surest thing on the offensive side of the ball.

In short, it gives the Panthers the best last chance to give Jimmy Clausen one last chance before deciding he was a waste of a 2nd round pick. If he can't succeed with A.J. Green at WR, then it's unlikely he'll be able to in any other situation. In this way Green fills myriad roles of helping you evaluate current talent, and set yourself up for the future.

2. He is a bonafide #1 receiver

Until last night this would seem to be a topic for the back-burner, or an afterthought... but now it has to become a stark realization that without Steve Smith the Carolina Panthers have far and away the worst receiving corps in the NFL. Both Brandon LaFell and David Gettis did very well as #2 receivers their first year, but one of the reasons this team got to 2-14 in the first place was putting too much stock in single season's worth of good numbers.

Though both were tremendous value where they were picked in the draft, and despite Gettis showing flashes of #1 WR ability, ultimately neither look like true #1 receivers, not yet.

3. Immediate impact

There's only one player at the top of the draft on the offensive side of the ball who can immediately step in and improve his team, and that's A.J. Green. Either of the quarterbacks would need at least one year of seasoning and instruction to be ready, but scouts believe Green's route running and feel for the game is already so advanced that he can step in immediately and contribute. Here's some food for thought:

- Andre Johnson: 976 yards, 4 TD his rookie season (David Carr as QB)

- Calvin Johnson: 756 yards, 4 TD his rookie season (John Kitna as QB)

- Larry Fitzgerald: 780 yards, 8 TD his rookie season (Josh McCown as QB)

Compare to

- Steve Smith: 556 yards, 2 TD (Jimmy Clausen as QB)

Despite Fitzgerald, Johnson and Johnson not having elite QBs, they still put forward better performances their rookie seasons than any Carolina Panthers WR did last year. If Green is truly in that same class, then he's worth the pick.

4. We have a precedent of getting the WR first making the most sense

I again need to lean on the above examples of Detroit, Houston and Arizona. Sure, Houston hadn't worked out David Carr was a complete bust yet in 2003, but how much easier did it make Matt Schaub's transition into the role of starting QB to have a #1 target out of the gate?

The Cardinals were relying on Josh McCown and passed on Philip Rivers when they took Larry Fitzgerald, but pairing Fitzgerald with Kurt Warner proved to be the dynamic needed to make them NFC champions.

Detroit were still looking for their way when they took Calvin Johnson, passing on Brady Quinn... but as it stands if Matt Stafford can remain healthy the nucleus is there.

Though some see it as putting the cart before the horse, the reality is that having an established and seasoned WR makes life easier for a QB when they hit the field. Even if the Panthers waited and took a Ryan Mallett/Ricky Stanzi later in the draft, having them on the bench while Green worked a full season would ultimately aid their transition.

5. This is a passing league

This is the phrase we keep hearing over, and over, and over again... and it's true. However, there's more that just getting a QB needed to fill in this equation, you also need a reliable WR. If you're going to look at this draft from offensive BPA (with BPA meaning the ideal for his position) then Green is the best guy you can take.

I think Claussen is fine. I can't believe they wanna go qb at 1. People just overeacted to being so bad.

 

[Invictus~Bronte]

Taking Newton will be a gigantic blunder, after the Edwards mistake

 

[UTLonghorn31]

3 rookie WRs had multiple games with 6 or more catches:

Dez Bryant, 3 games

Brandon LaFell, 2 games

Mike Williams, 2 games

If you are in a PPR league, there you have it.

Gettis talk = stop the insanity!

 

[The Commish]

You guys can argue over physical tools all you want. The Panthers still need someone to get those physically gifted WRs the ball. They just drafted a project. Let's hope that Jimmy can greatly improve from last year to this coming. Otherwise, the WRs here will be useless to everyone.

 

[Faust]

At this point in time, I would rely on training camp reports and preseason reports from the local beat writers, and hope that you are not drafting too soon. It would also depend upon your league roster size and format to determine if you should be taking a chance with any of these guys, as neither Newton or Clausen will be very likely to be passing for yardage in the top half of the league this year. In deeper, dynasty formats, I am more interested in following who is emerging, but in smaller redraft leagues, I would look in other places for my WR depth and/or projects.

 

[pantherclub]

I dont care who it is, you dont use a 2nd round pick on a undersized converted qb "project" wr from an obscure college. How Hurney has a job is one of the great mystery's. He gets a couple right here and there but for the most part he is the definition of draft failure.

 

[FavreCo]

You guys can argue over physical tools all you want. The Panthers still need someone to get those physically gifted WRs the ball. They just drafted a project. Let's hope that Jimmy can greatly improve from last year to this coming. Otherwise, the WRs here will be useless to everyone.

I'll be cutting Gettis as soon as I draft a rookie WR. No reason to waste time with WR on this team for the next 3 years.

 

[bmsarvis]

Keolaha pilares should be in the discussion as well, hope I didn't butcher his name too bad, tried my best,

Potential sleeper imo

 

[loose circuits]

The shark move here is to talk up whichever of those receivers you have on your roster and then trade him to some schmuck who actually thinks any of those guys has a chance to put up numbers next year.

I couldn't disagree more. I own Gettis and wouldn't move him because you can't get anything comparable to his upside in return

If you can't spot the sucker at the table ...

sucker at the table? I got him off the waiver wire last season after week 2. His physical talent is as good as anyone at the position and he's already shown a lot more than LaFell who many people paid either a late 1st or 2nd round pick for

Anyone? Really?

The guy is 6' 4" with excellent size and speed and really good hands when he doesn't catch the ball against his body. So yeah, just about anyone. Does he have the drive of Jerry Rice, or the freakish ability to snag any ball thrown at him like Randy Moss, does he block down field like Hines Ward, or the route running skills of Larry Fitzgerald? We don't really know that just yet. But physically, he has all the tools.

I don't think you have watched him much to be honest.Because if you did then you would have seen a slow 6'3" WR that only body catches and runs mediocre routes,Not a fast, 6'4" ,hands catcher. That sounds more like A J Green than David Gettis.I realize he ran fast at the combine, but I watched all his targets this year and he doesnt really seem to play as fast as his combine speed says.

u have access to coach's tape? I don't see how you could assume that from watching TV copies with some of the worst QB play in league