Lamar Miller, 2016, Infinity and beyond (2 Viewers)

[General Tso]

Thanks. That makes perfect sense now.

 

[steveski]

So it obviously helps that Moreno is done. And it also helps that he's getting goal line work, but let's look at what he's been doing and who he's been doing it against:

1) 11/49 rushing and 1/4/1 receiving against the #26 ranked rushing defense.

2) 11/46 rushing and 2/7 receiving against the #5 ranked rushing defense.

3) 15/108 rushing and 4/24 receiving against the #20 ranked rushing defense.

4) 12/64 2 rushing and 2/3 receiving against the #31 ranked rushing defense.

6) 14/53/1 rushing and 3/40 receiving against the #32 ranked rushing defense.

Coming up schedule with ranking of rush defense:

7) #10

8) #19

9) #9

10) #2

11) #1

12) #4

13) #8

14) #7

15) #15

16) #20

17) #8

Anybody see anything there that stands out? His only bad week was against a good rushing defense and that's excusable. But all the rest of his games have been against all the worst defenses and he still hasn't done anything spectacular. Yes, he's looked good, but as we see with other teams, a bad rushing defense can make a lot of guys look good. And look at his schedule going forward.

No concern here for anybody? On the wake of this Moreno news, it may be a prime time to sell. Unfortunately I own 0 shares and the only reason I'm here was because I was starting negotiations with the Miller owner for a trade. I'm going to back down from that trade now.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Defensive rankings change quickly when we're only dealing with a 16-game season. I'm not gonna assume a top-10 rush D now is still gonna be that way in Week 13. So much of it has to do with prior opponents. Very few rush Ds are totally impenetrable. The Seahawks and Jets were considered to be, but have gotten gashed the past week (SEA) or two weeks (NYJ). You're outthinking yourself if you feel the need to move him.

 

[steveski]

Defensive rankings change quickly when we're only dealing with a 16-game season. I'm not gonna assume a top-10 rush D now is still gonna be that way in Week 13. So much of it has to do with prior opponents. Very few rush Ds are totally impenetrable. The Seahawks and Jets were considered to be, but have gotten gashed the past week (SEA) or two weeks (NYJ). You're outthinking yourself if you feel the need to move him.

I just feel like you can get a lot for him right now. He hasn't been getting a ton of carries and that's when Moreno was out anyways, so why would his carries and/or yards increase when he's going up against tougher defenses? His upcoming schedule isn't my main point. My main point is explaining what he's done. Yardage and volume wise he hasn't been very good. The TD's have been saving him.

Like I said, I'm not selling him (I don't own him anywhere), I was actually looking at trading for him until I looked a little deeper at his stats so far. I'm mainly talking his dynasty value rather than redraft value. I just have a feeling this recent surge from him is due to schedule.

 

[SameSongNDance]

A rougher schedule is no doubt a concern because he's never going to get the type of volume it takes to push through a truly bad match-up. He's been running well but if you can get legitimately good value for him right now I'd debate moving him. Moreno being out helps his outlook from a TD perspective but it was never going to really affect volume. TDs are also, obviously, pretty high variance events. The thing is, I don't believe anyone is going to pay for him what he's currently worth, so you're better off just holding.

 

[ImTheScientist]

So it obviously helps that Moreno is done. And it also helps that he's getting goal line work, but let's look at what he's been doing and who he's been doing it against:

1) 11/49 rushing and 1/4/1 receiving against the #26 ranked rushing defense.

2) 11/46 rushing and 2/7 receiving against the #5 ranked rushing defense.

3) 15/108 rushing and 4/24 receiving against the #20 ranked rushing defense.

4) 12/64 2 rushing and 2/3 receiving against the #31 ranked rushing defense.

6) 14/53/1 rushing and 3/40 receiving against the #32 ranked rushing defense.

Coming up schedule with ranking of rush defense:

7) #10

8) #19

9) #9

10) #2

11) #1

12) #4

13) #8

14) #7

15) #15

16) #20

17) #8

Anybody see anything there that stands out? His only bad week was against a good rushing defense and that's excusable. But all the rest of his games have been against all the worst defenses and he still hasn't done anything spectacular. Yes, he's looked good, but as we see with other teams, a bad rushing defense can make a lot of guys look good. And look at his schedule going forward.

No concern here for anybody? On the wake of this Moreno news, it may be a prime time to sell. Unfortunately I own 0 shares and the only reason I'm here was because I was starting negotiations with the Miller owner for a trade. I'm going to back down from that trade now.

No concern at all. Those rankings at this point in the season can change a lot. He's been AWESOME on limited work thus far. Hope to see 20 carries this week.

championship!

 

[ImTheScientist]

Defensive rankings change quickly when we're only dealing with a 16-game season. I'm not gonna assume a top-10 rush D now is still gonna be that way in Week 13. So much of it has to do with prior opponents. Very few rush Ds are totally impenetrable. The Seahawks and Jets were considered to be, but have gotten gashed the past week (SEA) or two weeks (NYJ). You're outthinking yourself if you feel the need to move him.

I just feel like you can get a lot for him right now. He hasn't been getting a ton of carries and that's when Moreno was out anyways, so why would his carries and/or yards increase when he's going up against tougher defenses? His upcoming schedule isn't my main point. My main point is explaining what he's done. Yardage and volume wise he hasn't been very good. The TD's have been saving him.

Like I said, I'm not selling him (I don't own him anywhere), I was actually looking at trading for him until I looked a little deeper at his stats so far. I'm mainly talking his dynasty value rather than redraft value. I just have a feeling this recent surge from him is due to schedule.

Why trade a guy doing well for a guy performing like a turd? Seems like you are thinking too hard.

 

[steveski]

So it obviously helps that Moreno is done. And it also helps that he's getting goal line work, but let's look at what he's been doing and who he's been doing it against:

1) 11/49 rushing and 1/4/1 receiving against the #26 ranked rushing defense.

2) 11/46 rushing and 2/7 receiving against the #5 ranked rushing defense.

3) 15/108 rushing and 4/24 receiving against the #20 ranked rushing defense.

4) 12/64 2 rushing and 2/3 receiving against the #31 ranked rushing defense.

6) 14/53/1 rushing and 3/40 receiving against the #32 ranked rushing defense.

Coming up schedule with ranking of rush defense:

7) #10

8) #19

9) #9

10) #2

11) #1

12) #4

13) #8

14) #7

15) #15

16) #20

17) #8

Anybody see anything there that stands out? His only bad week was against a good rushing defense and that's excusable. But all the rest of his games have been against all the worst defenses and he still hasn't done anything spectacular. Yes, he's looked good, but as we see with other teams, a bad rushing defense can make a lot of guys look good. And look at his schedule going forward.

No concern here for anybody? On the wake of this Moreno news, it may be a prime time to sell. Unfortunately I own 0 shares and the only reason I'm here was because I was starting negotiations with the Miller owner for a trade. I'm going to back down from that trade now.

No concern at all. Those rankings at this point in the season can change a lot. He's been AWESOME on limited work thus far. Hope to see 20 carries this week.

championship!

Well unless those rankings all somehow change into bottom 5 defenses, he will be facing tougher defenses than he has so far. What makes you think he will be getting more carries than he has any game so far this season? Moreno was only really a factor in 1 game. Also, yes he has looked good so far (not great, but good).......against really bad defenses. Are we just ignoring that?

 

[steveski]

Defensive rankings change quickly when we're only dealing with a 16-game season. I'm not gonna assume a top-10 rush D now is still gonna be that way in Week 13. So much of it has to do with prior opponents. Very few rush Ds are totally impenetrable. The Seahawks and Jets were considered to be, but have gotten gashed the past week (SEA) or two weeks (NYJ). You're outthinking yourself if you feel the need to move him.

I just feel like you can get a lot for him right now. He hasn't been getting a ton of carries and that's when Moreno was out anyways, so why would his carries and/or yards increase when he's going up against tougher defenses? His upcoming schedule isn't my main point. My main point is explaining what he's done. Yardage and volume wise he hasn't been very good. The TD's have been saving him.

Like I said, I'm not selling him (I don't own him anywhere), I was actually looking at trading for him until I looked a little deeper at his stats so far. I'm mainly talking his dynasty value rather than redraft value. I just have a feeling this recent surge from him is due to schedule.

Why trade a guy doing well for a guy performing like a turd? Seems like you are thinking too hard.

Because I trade players based on what I expect them to do going forward and not based on what they've done so far. I haven't seen Miller have a good game against a decent defense in his whole career.

What I'm trying to gather from people's opinions here is if they actually think a light has come on in Miller's head or if this is just a nice combination of poor defenses along with some TDs to pad the stats.

 

[gianmarco]

So it obviously helps that Moreno is done. And it also helps that he's getting goal line work, but let's look at what he's been doing and who he's been doing it against:

1) 11/49 rushing and 1/4/1 receiving against the #26 ranked rushing defense.

2) 11/46 rushing and 2/7 receiving against the #5 ranked rushing defense.

3) 15/108 rushing and 4/24 receiving against the #20 ranked rushing defense.

4) 12/64 2 rushing and 2/3 receiving against the #31 ranked rushing defense.

6) 14/53/1 rushing and 3/40 receiving against the #32 ranked rushing defense.

Coming up schedule with ranking of rush defense:

7) #10

8) #19

9) #9

10) #2

11) #1

12) #4

13) #8

14) #7

15) #15

16) #20

17) #8

Anybody see anything there that stands out? His only bad week was against a good rushing defense and that's excusable. But all the rest of his games have been against all the worst defenses and he still hasn't done anything spectacular. Yes, he's looked good, but as we see with other teams, a bad rushing defense can make a lot of guys look good. And look at his schedule going forward.

No concern here for anybody? On the wake of this Moreno news, it may be a prime time to sell. Unfortunately I own 0 shares and the only reason I'm here was because I was starting negotiations with the Miller owner for a trade. I'm going to back down from that trade now.

Nothing spectacular? He has the 2nd highest YPC amongst starters in the NFL with over 50 carries at 5.2 ypc. He's tied for 2nd in the NFL with most runs over 20 yards. And his "bad" game was still over 4.2 ypc and was only "bad" because of only getting 11 carries, not due to lack of production.

Finally, your #'s are way off. If you're going to post something like the rush defenses he's faced, get the facts correct.

NE is 14th against the run, not 26th.

Buff is 1st against the run, not 5th.

KC is 23rd against the run, not 20th.

You did get the last 2 right, at least.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Defensive rankings change quickly when we're only dealing with a 16-game season. I'm not gonna assume a top-10 rush D now is still gonna be that way in Week 13. So much of it has to do with prior opponents. Very few rush Ds are totally impenetrable. The Seahawks and Jets were considered to be, but have gotten gashed the past week (SEA) or two weeks (NYJ). You're outthinking yourself if you feel the need to move him.

I just feel like you can get a lot for him right now. He hasn't been getting a ton of carries and that's when Moreno was out anyways, so why would his carries and/or yards increase when he's going up against tougher defenses? His upcoming schedule isn't my main point. My main point is explaining what he's done. Yardage and volume wise he hasn't been very good. The TD's have been saving him.

Like I said, I'm not selling him (I don't own him anywhere), I was actually looking at trading for him until I looked a little deeper at his stats so far. I'm mainly talking his dynasty value rather than redraft value. I just have a feeling this recent surge from him is due to schedule.

Why trade a guy doing well for a guy performing like a turd? Seems like you are thinking too hard.

Because I trade players based on what I expect them to do going forward and not based on what they've done so far. I haven't seen Miller have a good game against a decent defense in his whole career.

Good luck with that. I would venture to guess a poor rate of return on that strategy (although people would never admit it). Your second comment isn't worth a response because its ridiculous.

 

[steveski]

So it obviously helps that Moreno is done. And it also helps that he's getting goal line work, but let's look at what he's been doing and who he's been doing it against:

1) 11/49 rushing and 1/4/1 receiving against the #26 ranked rushing defense.

2) 11/46 rushing and 2/7 receiving against the #5 ranked rushing defense.

3) 15/108 rushing and 4/24 receiving against the #20 ranked rushing defense.

4) 12/64 2 rushing and 2/3 receiving against the #31 ranked rushing defense.

6) 14/53/1 rushing and 3/40 receiving against the #32 ranked rushing defense.

Coming up schedule with ranking of rush defense:

7) #10

8) #19

9) #9

10) #2

11) #1

12) #4

13) #8

14) #7

15) #15

16) #20

17) #8

Anybody see anything there that stands out? His only bad week was against a good rushing defense and that's excusable. But all the rest of his games have been against all the worst defenses and he still hasn't done anything spectacular. Yes, he's looked good, but as we see with other teams, a bad rushing defense can make a lot of guys look good. And look at his schedule going forward.

No concern here for anybody? On the wake of this Moreno news, it may be a prime time to sell. Unfortunately I own 0 shares and the only reason I'm here was because I was starting negotiations with the Miller owner for a trade. I'm going to back down from that trade now.

Nothing spectacular? He has the 2nd highest YPC amongst starters in the NFL with over 50 carries at 5.2 ypc. He's tied for 2nd in the NFL with most runs over 20 yards. And his "bad" game was still over 4.2 ypc and was only "bad" because of only getting 11 carries, not due to lack of production.

Finally, your #'s are way off. If you're going to post something like the rush defenses he's faced, get the facts correct.

NE is 14th against the run, not 26th.

Buff is 1st against the run, not 5th.

KC is 23rd against the run, not 20th.

You did get the last 2 right, at least.

The numbers I posted were from MFL so I'm not sure where they get their numbers from as opposed to where you got yours from. I didn't just pull the numbers out of a hat.

And I agree that his YPC is nice, but giving him a bunch more carries doesn't necessarily always mean his YPC is going to stay the same.

Like I said, I don't own Miller anywhere so I don't really care. I was just trying to generate some discussion about him, but it appears this is a circlejerk so if you're not praising him, you're not allowed to speak. Carry on!

 

[steveski]

Defensive rankings change quickly when we're only dealing with a 16-game season. I'm not gonna assume a top-10 rush D now is still gonna be that way in Week 13. So much of it has to do with prior opponents. Very few rush Ds are totally impenetrable. The Seahawks and Jets were considered to be, but have gotten gashed the past week (SEA) or two weeks (NYJ). You're outthinking yourself if you feel the need to move him.

I just feel like you can get a lot for him right now. He hasn't been getting a ton of carries and that's when Moreno was out anyways, so why would his carries and/or yards increase when he's going up against tougher defenses? His upcoming schedule isn't my main point. My main point is explaining what he's done. Yardage and volume wise he hasn't been very good. The TD's have been saving him.

Like I said, I'm not selling him (I don't own him anywhere), I was actually looking at trading for him until I looked a little deeper at his stats so far. I'm mainly talking his dynasty value rather than redraft value. I just have a feeling this recent surge from him is due to schedule.

Why trade a guy doing well for a guy performing like a turd? Seems like you are thinking too hard.

Because I trade players based on what I expect them to do going forward and not based on what they've done so far. I haven't seen Miller have a good game against a decent defense in his whole career.

Good luck with that. I would venture to guess a poor rate of return on that strategy (although people would never admit it). Your second comment isn't worth a response because its ridiculous.

You're right. Selling high on a player is a terrible strategy.

 

[lod01]

Since steveski is talking dynasty, let me add this into the equation. It is hard to find a RB that can do it all. I believe Miller can do just that. I really could care less about the stats of #1 run D in dynasty. If they draft OL like Dallas did, then it matters not how good the run D is as Demarco Murray tore up a good run D.

Using past performance on Miller is a huge mistake. Last year the OL was gawd awful, probably worst in the NFL and he still averaged 4 ypc with Sherman as the OC. That guy isn't even in the NFL now.

There are more reasons to keep Miller in dynasty than there are to sell him now. I've got L. Bell, Bernard Miller and Crowell with Freeman on the rookie squad in a 14 team dynasty league and I would need a lot to take Miller off my team. RB's can disappear fast via injury.

 

[gianmarco]

So it obviously helps that Moreno is done. And it also helps that he's getting goal line work, but let's look at what he's been doing and who he's been doing it against:

1) 11/49 rushing and 1/4/1 receiving against the #26 ranked rushing defense.

2) 11/46 rushing and 2/7 receiving against the #5 ranked rushing defense.

3) 15/108 rushing and 4/24 receiving against the #20 ranked rushing defense.

4) 12/64 2 rushing and 2/3 receiving against the #31 ranked rushing defense.

6) 14/53/1 rushing and 3/40 receiving against the #32 ranked rushing defense.

Coming up schedule with ranking of rush defense:

7) #10

8) #19

9) #9

10) #2

11) #1

12) #4

13) #8

14) #7

15) #15

16) #20

17) #8

Anybody see anything there that stands out? His only bad week was against a good rushing defense and that's excusable. But all the rest of his games have been against all the worst defenses and he still hasn't done anything spectacular. Yes, he's looked good, but as we see with other teams, a bad rushing defense can make a lot of guys look good. And look at his schedule going forward.

No concern here for anybody? On the wake of this Moreno news, it may be a prime time to sell. Unfortunately I own 0 shares and the only reason I'm here was because I was starting negotiations with the Miller owner for a trade. I'm going to back down from that trade now.

Nothing spectacular? He has the 2nd highest YPC amongst starters in the NFL with over 50 carries at 5.2 ypc. He's tied for 2nd in the NFL with most runs over 20 yards. And his "bad" game was still over 4.2 ypc and was only "bad" because of only getting 11 carries, not due to lack of production.

Finally, your #'s are way off. If you're going to post something like the rush defenses he's faced, get the facts correct.

NE is 14th against the run, not 26th.

Buff is 1st against the run, not 5th.

KC is 23rd against the run, not 20th.

You did get the last 2 right, at least.

The numbers I posted were from MFL so I'm not sure where they get their numbers from as opposed to where you got yours from. I didn't just pull the numbers out of a hat.

And I agree that his YPC is nice, but giving him a bunch more carries doesn't necessarily always mean his YPC is going to stay the same.

Like I said, I don't own Miller anywhere so I don't really care. I was just trying to generate some discussion about him, but it appears this is a circlejerk so if you're not praising him, you're not allowed to speak. Carry on!

MFL is based on fantasy pts allowed. My rankings are from NFL.com and are based on actual yards allowed per game.

As for his YPC and his # of carries, he's not just doing this on a handful of carries per game. He's averaging 5.2 ypc as the feature runner with double digit carries in every game this year. There's still room for those carries to go up which means his production can still go up. The YPC might drop some, but he's not going to fall off just bc he goes from 12 carries/game to 15 carries/game.

Either way, your argument that he hasn't produced against good defenses is nonsense. He's played 2 of his 5 games this year against top half defenses and he STILL has a 5.2 ypc and solid #s in every game on a per touch basis. His schedule coming up is brutal but your argument that he hasn't done anything yet just isn't true.

 

[ponchsox]

I sense a lot of butt hurt from non-Miller and Moreno owners (or former) in this thread.

 

[gianmarco]

FWIW, L. Bell has the same 5.2 ypc against the following ranked rush defenses:

30th
7th
27th
25th
19th
30th

Are we worried about him as well?

 

[steveski]

FWIW, L. Bell has the same 5.2 ypc against the following ranked rush defenses:

30th

7th

27th

25th

19th

30th

Are we worried about him as well?

No, the opposite actually. Bell is a bellcow back that gets more than 10-15 carries and he's put up good numbers without even scoring a TD yet this year. I see Bell as the #1 dynasty RB. If Miller was given a full load and still produced the same numbers and against real NFL Defenses then I'd be all over him.

Fwiw, I'm still talking to the Miller owner and there's a chance I end up getting him. I'm not here as a hater or because I'm "butthurt", I'm here to discuss his value going forward.

He's been a major letdown in the past and he's faced Swiss cheese Defenses so far. I don't think it's ridiculous to bring up a discussion over whether now is a time to buy or sell.

 

[ImTheScientist]

ITT: We learn steveski is a Moreno owner.

 

[steveski]

ITT: We learn steveski is a Moreno owner.

You post crap all over this forum. If it's not a circle jerk about the Seahawks it's a circle jerk about a player you own. Why do you even bother posting?

I don't and haven't owned either Miller or Moreno in dynasty or redraft. I posted because my gut reaction today was to try to acquire Miller everywhere. Then after looking into his numbers I decided to discuss what I found.

 

[steveski]

Since steveski is talking dynasty, let me add this into the equation. It is hard to find a RB that can do it all. I believe Miller can do just that. I really could care less about the stats of #1 run D in dynasty. If they draft OL like Dallas did, then it matters not how good the run D is as Demarco Murray tore up a good run D.

Using past performance on Miller is a huge mistake. Last year the OL was gawd awful, probably worst in the NFL and he still averaged 4 ypc with Sherman as the OC. That guy isn't even in the NFL now.

There are more reasons to keep Miller in dynasty than there are to sell him now. I've got L. Bell, Bernard Miller and Crowell with Freeman on the rookie squad in a 14 team dynasty league and I would need a lot to take Miller off my team. RB's can disappear fast via injury.

Thanks for the post. I appreciate the insight and my gut says the same about him but the Miller owner wants a decent chunk to get him so I wanted to see what people in here thought. Unfortunately it's mostly just posts by the Seahawks guy and others that aren't discussing anything or providing any value. Theyd rather just sit here and pat themselves on the back because Moreno got hurt.

 

[MCguidance]

Am I convinced Miller is going to be a top 10 RB? No. But did his chances just increase. Absolutely. Plus, based on the fact that he has been playing better than he ever has, I think I will hold onto this guy.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Am I convinced Miller is going to be a top 10 RB? No. But did his chances just increase. Absolutely. Plus, based on the fact that he has been playing better than he ever has, I think I will hold onto this guy.

What if you could get RB1 value for him though? Right now he is a top 10 RB. I think that's the point of the sell high recommendation.

 

[MCguidance]

Am I convinced Miller is going to be a top 10 RB? No. But did his chances just increase. Absolutely. Plus, based on the fact that he has been playing better than he ever has, I think I will hold onto this guy.

What if you could get RB1 value for him though? Right now he is a top 10 RB. I think that's the point of the sell high recommendation.

I don't think he would command that price, though. He needs to put up two more weeks of those numbers in order to get a top 10WR in return, IMO.

But I'd certainly entertain an offer for him, though.

 

[steveski]

So after all the people hating on me saying that I'm a Moreno owner or whatever they said, I ended up trading for Miller. I gave up Quick, Cunningham, Storm Johnson and a 2nd round pick for Miller and 3rd,5th,6th rounders.

It started as Quick and Storm and 2nd for Miller and 3rd but he really wanted Cunningham as well and it didn't matter much to me so I went for it.

Thanks for those of you that voiced opinions about Miller and talked football, you helped me make the decision.

I hope my concern about his success being a result of poor Defenses turns out to be unwarranted.

 

[Pots]

So after all the people hating on me saying that I'm a Moreno owner or whatever they said, I ended up trading for Miller. I gave up Quick, Cunningham, Storm Johnson and a 2nd round pick for Miller and 3rd,5th,6th rounders.

It started as Quick and Storm and 2nd for Miller and 3rd but he really wanted Cunningham as well and it didn't matter much to me so I went for it.

Thanks for those of you that voiced opinions about Miller and talked football, you helped me make the decision.

I hope my concern about his success being a result of poor Defenses turns out to be unwarranted.

You bent him over.

 

[Touchdown There]

What is the current run/pass ratio for the Dolphins?

 

[DaveL]

What is the current run/pass ratio for the Dolphins?

"The Dolphins are 15th in the NFL in pass-run ratio (58-42%). Do you know who is 27, 28, 29, and 30 on the ratio list? The Chargers, Seahawks, Niners, and Cowboys. That’s Rivers, Wilson, Kaepernick, and Romo letting the ground game help them win."

 

[Ebaker5]

I sense a lot of butt hurt from non-Miller and Moreno owners (or former) in this thread.

I sold Miller/Dez for Welker/McCoy.. Kicking myself in the ### now... Oh well lol

 

[Jack White]

Am I convinced Miller is going to be a top 10 RB? No. But did his chances just increase. Absolutely. Plus, based on the fact that he has been playing better than he ever has, I think I will hold onto this guy.

What if you could get RB1 value for him though? Right now he is a top 10 RB. I think that's the point of the sell high recommendation.

I don't think he would command that price, though. He needs to put up two more weeks of those numbers in order to get a top 10WR in return, IMO.

But I'd certainly entertain an offer for him, though.

That's exactly why I advised selling high after Week 8. Maybe he overcomes the schedule, but if he doesn't -- and you can steal a better player for him from an owner who is not paying attention to his schedule -- why not?

 

[DaveL]

He won't fetch his full value until next year, people still don't trust him or that offense.

 

[Pearl Frumpkin]

So what is his value right now? It seems there is a divide on how good Miller is but a large part of this depends on how he is perceived. If you can trade him for a top 5 WR he is a great sell high. If you can acquire him for a WR3 then he is a great buy low. But where does everyone think he stands if you were to trade for/away?

 

[SengerCJ]

I gave up Quick and Ball for Miller. I can't realistically see myself using Quick, and I'm tired of the Broncos RB situation. My RBs are questionable and he faces NE during our championship week.

 

[gianmarco]

Here we go again. Let's have D. Thomas have more touches than L. Miller.

I hope the Dolphins lose every game this year with their stupidity.

 

[cstu]

Here we go again. Let's have D. Thomas have more touches than L. Miller.

I hope the Dolphins lose every game this year with their stupidity.

Don't you think they know Miller better than all of us?

 

[gianmarco]

Here we go again. Let's have D. Thomas have more touches than L. Miller.

I hope the Dolphins lose every game this year with their stupidity.

Don't you think they know Miller better than all of us?

I don't assume anything given what some head coaches do across the NFL, especially on perennially underachieving and seemingly poorly coaches teams like the Dolphins. If D. Thomas is good enough to earn so many carries, why was he not even signed to a team until Dolphins just picked him back up after Moreno went down for good?

 

[Slider]

Yep clearly they don't like Miller and it makes no sense to the human eye why this is.

 

[gianmarco]

Well would you look at that.....

 

[jurb26]

Miller just continues to produce.

 

[MCguidance]

Love this thread.

 

[ponchsox]

$$ in the bank

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Lamar Miller rushed for 61 yards and one touchdown on 18 carries in Miami's Week 7 win over Chicago.

He caught two passes for an additional 22 yards. Miller and Daniel Thomas rotated a bit, but Miller ended up out-touchind his backfield mate 20-10. Miller also had a late four-yard touchdown called back on a holding penalty. It could have been a much bigger day. He's a legit RB1 in an offense that wants to run the ball. Fire him up with confidence against the Jaguars in Week 8.

Oct 19 - 4:26 PM

 

[Jack White]

Rotoworld:

Lamar Miller rushed for 61 yards and one touchdown on 18 carries in Miami's Week 7 win over Chicago.

He caught two passes for an additional 22 yards. Miller and Daniel Thomas rotated a bit, but Miller ended up out-touchind his backfield mate 20-10. Miller also had a late four-yard touchdown called back on a holding penalty. It could have been a much bigger day. He's a legit RB1 in an offense that wants to run the ball. Fire him up with confidence against the Jaguars in Week 8.

Oct 19 - 4:26 PM

Absolutely fire him up in Week 8 against the Jags . . . then sell him to the highest bidder on Tuesday.

 

[jurb26]

Rotoworld:

Lamar Miller rushed for 61 yards and one touchdown on 18 carries in Miami's Week 7 win over Chicago.

He caught two passes for an additional 22 yards. Miller and Daniel Thomas rotated a bit, but Miller ended up out-touchind his backfield mate 20-10. Miller also had a late four-yard touchdown called back on a holding penalty. It could have been a much bigger day. He's a legit RB1 in an offense that wants to run the ball. Fire him up with confidence against the Jaguars in Week 8.

Oct 19 - 4:26 PM

Absolutely fire him up in Week 8 against the Jags . . . then sell him to the highest bidder on Tuesday.

Why would you sell a top 10 RB?

 

[Jack White]

Rotoworld:

Lamar Miller rushed for 61 yards and one touchdown on 18 carries in Miami's Week 7 win over Chicago.

He caught two passes for an additional 22 yards. Miller and Daniel Thomas rotated a bit, but Miller ended up out-touchind his backfield mate 20-10. Miller also had a late four-yard touchdown called back on a holding penalty. It could have been a much bigger day. He's a legit RB1 in an offense that wants to run the ball. Fire him up with confidence against the Jaguars in Week 8.

Oct 19 - 4:26 PM

Absolutely fire him up in Week 8 against the Jags . . . then sell him to the highest bidder on Tuesday.

Why would you sell a top 10 RB?

It's called selling high. Look at the schedule.

 

[jurb26]

Rotoworld:

Lamar Miller rushed for 61 yards and one touchdown on 18 carries in Miami's Week 7 win over Chicago.

He caught two passes for an additional 22 yards. Miller and Daniel Thomas rotated a bit, but Miller ended up out-touchind his backfield mate 20-10. Miller also had a late four-yard touchdown called back on a holding penalty. It could have been a much bigger day. He's a legit RB1 in an offense that wants to run the ball. Fire him up with confidence against the Jaguars in Week 8.

Oct 19 - 4:26 PM

Absolutely fire him up in Week 8 against the Jags . . . then sell him to the highest bidder on Tuesday.

Why would you sell a top 10 RB?

It's called selling high. Look at the schedule.

Schedule is the most overrated measure in fantasy.

 

[Jack White]

Rotoworld:

Lamar Miller rushed for 61 yards and one touchdown on 18 carries in Miami's Week 7 win over Chicago.

He caught two passes for an additional 22 yards. Miller and Daniel Thomas rotated a bit, but Miller ended up out-touchind his backfield mate 20-10. Miller also had a late four-yard touchdown called back on a holding penalty. It could have been a much bigger day. He's a legit RB1 in an offense that wants to run the ball. Fire him up with confidence against the Jaguars in Week 8.

Oct 19 - 4:26 PM

Absolutely fire him up in Week 8 against the Jags . . . then sell him to the highest bidder on Tuesday.

Why would you sell a top 10 RB?

It's called selling high. Look at the schedule.

Schedule is the most overrated measure in fantasy.

Perhaps.

I would say if you're a Miller owner, you could roll certainly with him after he gashes JAC next week.

But would it hurt to at least see what you might be able to get for him? He's never going to get more than 20 touches in a game, and with the likes of Chargers, Lions, Bills, Broncos, Jets and Ravens coming up, are you sure he's going to continue to put up the same numbers he has against the Patriots, Chiefs, Raiders, Packers and Bears?

I would say you're not doing your job an an owner if you don't at least consider selling high on him after Week 8. If you don't like the price, hold onto him. But if an RB-desperate team were willing to trade a WR1, or you could flip him for two starters where you have a need?

 

[jurb26]

Miller is never going to have more than 20 touches on a game? He just had 20 yesterday. You really think he NEVER sees more than 20?

 

[Jack White]

Miller is never going to have more than 20 touches on a game? He just had 20 yesterday. You really think he NEVER sees more than 20?

I guess I shouldn't say never. I didn't mean it literally.

He's averaging 16 touches a game, and 20 is his high. How many touches did Thomas and Williams get? The answer is 13, plus Tannehill has 6 rushing attempts. So Miller's workload is consistent with or without Moreno: 15-20 touches a game. The Dolphins know that's his limit.

When these stout run defenses start bottling him up, Miami will have to pass more, and their possession time will fall.

I challenge you Miller owners to put out some feelers after Week 8 and see what his value is. Then come back here and share with us what others are willing to pay for him. In other words, what will the market bear? Sometimes when we own a player, it's harder to be objective.

 

[Van Dyman]

Rotoworld:

Lamar Miller rushed for 61 yards and one touchdown on 18 carries in Miami's Week 7 win over Chicago.

He caught two passes for an additional 22 yards. Miller and Daniel Thomas rotated a bit, but Miller ended up out-touchind his backfield mate 20-10. Miller also had a late four-yard touchdown called back on a holding penalty. It could have been a much bigger day. He's a legit RB1 in an offense that wants to run the ball. Fire him up with confidence against the Jaguars in Week 8.

Oct 19 - 4:26 PM

Absolutely fire him up in Week 8 against the Jags . . . then sell him to the highest bidder on Tuesday.

Why would you sell a top 10 RB?

It's called selling high. Look at the schedule.

Schedule is the most overrated measure in fantasy.

Perhaps.

I would say if you're a Miller owner, you could roll certainly with him after he gashes JAC next week.

But would it hurt to at least see what you might be able to get for him? He's never going to get more than 20 touches in a game, and with the likes of Chargers, Lions, Bills, Broncos, Jets and Ravens coming up, are you sure he's going to continue to put up the same numbers he has against the Patriots, Chiefs, Raiders, Packers and Bears?

I would say you're not doing your job an an owner if you don't at least consider selling high on him after Week 8. If you don't like the price, hold onto him. But if an RB-desperate team were willing to trade a WR1, or you could flip him for two starters where you have a need?

Regarding the bold parts, is it a certainty that he gashes the Jags next week? The Jags just held Cleveland's RBs to 2.2 ypc, and the Browns have one of the NFL's best rushing attacks.