Lamar Miller, 2016, Infinity and beyond (4 Viewers)

[lod01]

I'll tell ya right now, if somehow they con him into resigning, it will be DeAngelo Williams in CAR all over again, splitting time, wasting his talent. I will dump him onto some weak owner at that time if the new regime are known recycled idiots in the NFL coaching ranks. .

 

[SoBeDad]

Ajayi will be good in 2016 - he just needs to stay healthy. Miami has too many other needs as recent games have shown.

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

Hopefully this means he sees the light and is leaving.

@ArmandoSalguero Lamar Miller said coaching staff told him Jay Ajayi was going to be in the game and that was end of that.

 

[lod01]

Campbell says Lamar Miller wasn't hurt in second half. He didn't play because "Jay Ajayi was doing a good job."@AbramsonPBP
8:06pm - 20 Dec 15

Campbell trying to get even for Miller embarrassing him last week. Hey, moron, that's like cutting your own throat.

Omar Kelly ‏@OmarKelly 6m6 minutes ago
Lamar Miller said he hurt is quadricep in the second quarter. That is why he was limited in the second half.

Campbell: 'You are not hurt.'

Miller: 'You said I was hurt last week, I'm hurt this week too. I'm leaving at the end of the season and giving you a big #### You on my way out the door.'

 

[Todem]

Ajayi will be good in 2016 - he just needs to stay healthy. Miami has too many other needs as recent games have shown.

No he won't. Because this team is pure garbage.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

The honeymoon with Campbell was too short. It is clear he is in over his head. +1 hoping Miller signs elsewhere this offseason.

 

[Quasimoto]

The honeymoon with Campbell was too short. It is clear he is in over his head. +1 hoping Miller signs elsewhere this offseason.

Anyone who thinks Campbell was ever running this team is deluding himself.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

True

 

[zamboni]

Who knows what Miller is really thinking, but one would have to think that the odds of him leaving via FA just went up sharply after being pulled yesterday.

Assuming the Dolphins make him a credible offer, it probably boils down to how much he loves Miami and willing to take a home team discount. That, and how much he wants to be a clear lead dog somewhere else as opposed to sharing with Ajayi.

Given that he's a competitive athlete, I am guessing he will take the money and starting gig somewhere else and spend his offseasons in Miami.

 

[lod01]

Who knows what Miller is really thinking, but one would have to think that the odds of him leaving via FA just went up sharply after being pulled yesterday.

Assuming the Dolphins make him a credible offer, it probably boils down to how much he loves Miami and willing to take a home team discount. That, and how much he wants to be a clear lead dog somewhere else as opposed to sharing with Ajayi.

Given that he's a competitive athlete, I am guessing he will take the money and starting gig somewhere else and spend his offseasons in Miami.

Right now I give it 50-50. The BS they are pulling with him hopefully helps him out the door. DeAngelo took less to stay and was totally misused and under used. He thanks the Panthers for the big bank account and little wear and tear on his body. Miller could easily do the same.

 

[lod01]

My guess is they are going to lowball Miller and are giving Ajayi a workload now that they are officially done to see if they can make him #1 next year. Miller needs to swim away from that stinky bait as fast as he can. Forget the hometown.

 

[zamboni]

Who knows what Miller is really thinking, but one would have to think that the odds of him leaving via FA just went up sharply after being pulled yesterday.

Assuming the Dolphins make him a credible offer, it probably boils down to how much he loves Miami and willing to take a home team discount. That, and how much he wants to be a clear lead dog somewhere else as opposed to sharing with Ajayi.

Given that he's a competitive athlete, I am guessing he will take the money and starting gig somewhere else and spend his offseasons in Miami.

Right now I give it 50-50. The BS they are pulling with him hopefully helps him out the door. DeAngelo took less to stay and was totally misused and under used. He thanks the Panthers for the big bank account and little wear and tear on his body. Miller could easily do the same.

Not overly relevant here, but I don't recall a lot of teams throwing money at Williams for whatever reason (could be wrong though). In any event, he got $43 million/5 years so it was pretty easy for him to stay at that price.

In today's NFL, no way will Miller command that kind of money, so the money in and of itself may not be a huge determining factor.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Who knows what Miller is really thinking, but one would have to think that the odds of him leaving via FA just went up sharply after being pulled yesterday.

Assuming the Dolphins make him a credible offer, it probably boils down to how much he loves Miami and willing to take a home team discount. That, and how much he wants to be a clear lead dog somewhere else as opposed to sharing with Ajayi.

Given that he's a competitive athlete, I am guessing he will take the money and starting gig somewhere else and spend his offseasons in Miami.

Right now I give it 50-50. The BS they are pulling with him hopefully helps him out the door. DeAngelo took less to stay and was totally misused and under used. He thanks the Panthers for the big bank account and little wear and tear on his body. Miller could easily do the same.

Not overly relevant here, but I don't recall a lot of teams throwing money at Williams for whatever reason (could be wrong though). In any event, he got $43 million/5 years so it was pretty easy for him to stay at that price.

In today's NFL, no way will Miller command that kind of money, so the money in and of itself may not be a huge determining factor.

I think Williams was a bit older at that time too, so maybe not as many teams who woudl have wanted him. Miller is only 24. Still has 4-6 solid seasons in him. Be a shame for him to waste them in Miami.

 

[lod01]

Who knows what Miller is really thinking, but one would have to think that the odds of him leaving via FA just went up sharply after being pulled yesterday.

Assuming the Dolphins make him a credible offer, it probably boils down to how much he loves Miami and willing to take a home team discount. That, and how much he wants to be a clear lead dog somewhere else as opposed to sharing with Ajayi.

Given that he's a competitive athlete, I am guessing he will take the money and starting gig somewhere else and spend his offseasons in Miami.

Right now I give it 50-50. The BS they are pulling with him hopefully helps him out the door. DeAngelo took less to stay and was totally misused and under used. He thanks the Panthers for the big bank account and little wear and tear on his body. Miller could easily do the same.

Not overly relevant here, but I don't recall a lot of teams throwing money at Williams for whatever reason (could be wrong though). In any event, he got $43 million/5 years so it was pretty easy for him to stay at that price.

In today's NFL, no way will Miller command that kind of money, so the money in and of itself may not be a huge determining factor.

I think Williams was a bit older at that time too, so maybe not as many teams who woudl have wanted him. Miller is only 24. Still has 4-6 solid seasons in him. Be a shame for him to waste them in Miami.

Williams was a couple years older. 2011. He was 27 I believe off his original rookie contract. They did offer a boatload to stay. It probably was more than any other team so it is different. I owned Williams at that time and knew fantasy wise it was not going to be good. The same will happen to Miller if he resigns. Even regime change did not help Williams.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

if he can make great money and play for a contender that knows how to utilize the talent they have ,why would he stay in Miami ?

 

[ChuckLiddell]

if he can make great money and play for a contender that knows how to utilize the talent they have ,why would he stay in Miami ?

He is a local. If they match his best offer and bring in an actual professional coaching staff, maybe they can convince him that they will utilize him, and maybe he would stay. I am not convinced that either of those things will happen though, so I believe he is gone. Still young enough to have a very good career, maybe make a pro bowl or two. Maybe even sniff a playoff game one day.

 

[starks]

Is he startable next week?

 

[lod01]

Is he startable next week?

Nope. He's not being the yes man they (the inept coaching staff) apparently think they deserve.

Too bad he's not the "I'll show you" type of guy. NE could use a stud 3 down back.

 

[Interseptopus]

Is he startable next week?

Nope. He's not being the yes man they (the inept coaching staff) apparently think they deserve.Too bad he's not the "I'll show you" type of guy. NE could use a stud 3 down back.

I disagree. I thnk he's plenty startable

 

[lod01]

Is he startable next week?

Nope. He's not being the yes man they (the inept coaching staff) apparently think they deserve.Too bad he's not the "I'll show you" type of guy. NE could use a stud 3 down back.

I disagree. I thnk he's plenty startable

Or they prevent him from getting to 1k yards.

230 yards short of his second straight 1000 yard season, and he has come out publicly and said it is important to him. If they want to have any shot at keeping him next year, you would think they would do what they can to keep him happy. They are also getting lambasted by local media for the misusage of him. I think he gets 20+ carries this week. Staring with the utmost confidence.

Awesome point.

Interesting. We shall find out this weekend fi they are giving him the Marcus Allen treatment.

 

[Interseptopus]

Is he startable next week?

Nope. He's not being the yes man they (the inept coaching staff) apparently think they deserve.Too bad he's not the "I'll show you" type of guy. NE could use a stud 3 down back.

I disagree. I thnk he's plenty startable

Or they prevent him from getting to 1k yards.

230 yards short of his second straight 1000 yard season, and he has come out publicly and said it is important to him. If they want to have any shot at keeping him next year, you would think they would do what they can to keep him happy. They are also getting lambasted by local media for the misusage of him. I think he gets 20+ carries this week. Staring with the utmost confidence.

Awesome point.

Interesting. We shall find out this weekend fi they are giving him the Marcus Allen treatment.

What do they have to gain? I mean is that the message you want to send to upcoming free agents as you try to tebuild? Come to Miami, we stonewall our own guys. If they haven't seen enou from Ajayi to know if hes their guy by now, the next two,weeks aren't going to change anything. IMO you run miller into the ground to save your workhorse from getting hurt in a meaningless game (Ajayi). Sure I'm biased but that makes sense from a practical standpoint.

Now, obviously the coaches are not calling the shots. This has a smell of owner/GM/higher up calling the shots. Whether it be, "we just paid tannehill so much money let's use him and prove he's worth it" or "we want Ajayi, so you play Ajayi."

So Ajayi probably gets more carries than he should.

Let's remember also, there was a game earlier this year Miller didn't see much time at all the second half and the idea was they were down by so much and it seemed like Miller wasn't in their passing package. Why? Your guess is as good as mine, I stopped trying to figure these guys out months ago. But, this weekend I don't see Miami being down like they were last week, making Miller a possible good play.

I also think there's a huge chance Miller is back in Miami.

Weather

Pay is likely to be higher than what others might offer, aside from Houston

No income tax... People don't really take this into consideration as much as they should. He gets to keep so much more of his hard earned money.

They don't want to completely alienate their RB if they want any chance at resigning him

Let's not forget the franchise or transitional tag...

 

[BearsFan4Life]

I not sure I can start either Miami rb in my championship. Either have to insert Landry, Lockett, or Tate

 

[zed2283]

So what are we doing with him this week? Seems to have a juicy matchup against the Colts.

I have to decide between Miller and Karlos Williams.

 

[Interseptopus]

So what are we doing with him this week? Seems to have a juicy matchup against the Colts.

I have to decide between Miller and Karlos Williams.

I'm starting both. For some reason Karlos is questionable now??

I'm kind of in a bind with injuries. I don't trust Diggs otherwise I'd start Diggs over Miller.

 

[Quasimoto]

Heartbreaking how Miller has worked out this season. After 15 weeks the dude is RB3 in my PPR league, has a plus matchup for the championship, and I still can't start him with much confidence even if he's healthy. There's got to be a parable somewhere in all of this.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

So what are we doing with him this week? Seems to have a juicy matchup against the Colts.

I have to decide between Miller and Karlos Williams.

Been a big Miller supporter all season. I'd roll with Karlos in this one. I cant see putting Miller in over anyone who I think will get 15+ touches. Too much lunacy in South Florida right now.

 

[zed2283]

So what are we doing with him this week? Seems to have a juicy matchup against the Colts.

I have to decide between Miller and Karlos Williams.

Been a big Miller supporter all season. I'd roll with Karlos in this one. I cant see putting Miller in over anyone who I think will get 15+ touches. Too much lunacy in South Florida right now.

Yeah, I'm leaning this way. But I can't get that Houston game out of my head and what Miller did from the get-go against that weak defense. Same thing against the Giants just two weeks ago on just a few touches.

 

[cubbie5150]

So what are we doing with him this week? Seems to have a juicy matchup against the Colts.

I have to decide between Miller and Karlos Williams.

Been a big Miller supporter all season. I'd roll with Karlos in this one. I cant see putting Miller in over anyone who I think will get 15+ touches. Too much lunacy in South Florida right now.

This is what I'm doing. I actually feel very good about having this option. Cowboys run D is a sieve, and they have nothing to play for on the road, in the cold. I'll be very surprised if Karlos isn't a top 5 RB this week.

 

[kyoun1e]

Rankings out today across many sites.

"Experts" continue to rank L. Miller as if he's a solid RB2.

Don't get it.

Dodds, Bloom, Tremblay all rank Miller ahead of the big name plug ins for this week: C. Michael, C. Artis-Payne, etc.

 

[dipandglide]

Would you guys start Miller over Diggs, Moncrief, or Gurley in full ppr?

 

[shader]

Rankings out today across many sites.

"Experts" continue to rank L. Miller as if he's a solid RB2.

Don't get it.

Dodds, Bloom, Tremblay all rank Miller ahead of the big name plug ins for this week: C. Michael, C. Artis-Payne, etc.

You are questioning why people are ranking Miller over Artis-Payne??

Miller can bust a long TD on one play. Artis-Payne could play all day and put up bad production. At the end of the day, you gotta figure at worst it's a time share and Miller is still a stud.

Miller got me here, I'll sink or swim with him. If he explodes while I bench him for the waiver player of the week, I'd regret it for a long time.

 

[alvarndc]

I own Miller in dynasty.

I am praying he wises up and recognizes he is better off elsewhere.

He has a career ypc close to 5, is a good,pass catcher and is only 24.

Any guesses where he could/should wind up: NYG, Houston, Dallas, even NE (though they just gave $$$ to Lewis right before he was injured)? Any other guesses?

 

[32 Counter Pass]

Dallas is the best option for Miller because of surrounding talent and Garrett's history of leaning on a cowbell RB. Other friendly landing spots would be IND, BALT, CAR and HOU.

Other enticing landing spots are OAK, NYJ or NYG.

I do not want Miller signing with NE, no way, no how. I do not want any part of dealing with BB and his random use of RBs!

 

[Interseptopus]

Rankings out today across many sites.

"Experts" continue to rank L. Miller as if he's a solid RB2.

Don't get it.

Dodds, Bloom, Tremblay all rank Miller ahead of the big name plug ins for this week: C. Michael, C. Artis-Payne, etc.

You are questioning why people are ranking Miller over Artis-Payne??

Miller can bust a long TD on one play. Artis-Payne could play all day and put up bad production. At the end of the day, you gotta figure at worst it's a time share and Miller is still a stud.

Miller got me here, I'll sink or swim with him. If he explodes while I bench him for the waiver player of the week, I'd regret it for a long time.

This is me. I'm rolling with him in good times and bad. Can you imagine if you over thought it and benched him and he went off for like 2 tds? With this much money on the line I'm going with my strategy of always playing the studs

 

[lod01]

Dallas is the best option for Miller because of surrounding talent and Garrett's history of leaning on a cowbell RB. Other friendly landing spots would be IND, BALT, CAR and HOU.

Other enticing landing spots are OAK, NYJ or NYG.

I do not want Miller signing with NE, no way, no how. I do not want any part of dealing with BB and his random use of RBs!

Indy would be OK as well.

 

[kyoun1e]

Rankings out today across many sites.

"Experts" continue to rank L. Miller as if he's a solid RB2.

Don't get it.

Dodds, Bloom, Tremblay all rank Miller ahead of the big name plug ins for this week: C. Michael, C. Artis-Payne, etc.

You are questioning why people are ranking Miller over Artis-Payne??

Miller can bust a long TD on one play. Artis-Payne could play all day and put up bad production. At the end of the day, you gotta figure at worst it's a time share and Miller is still a stud.

Miller got me here, I'll sink or swim with him. If he explodes while I bench him for the waiver player of the week, I'd regret it for a long time.

This is me. I'm rolling with him in good times and bad. Can you imagine if you over thought it and benched him and he went off for like 2 tds? With this much money on the line I'm going with my strategy of always playing the studs

Wish there was a peep out of Miami on this mess.

Nothing on any quad injury. Nothing about giving the young kid Ajayi more of the load. Nothing about how the staff wants to commit to the run again. Nothing.

I'm probably rolling with him regardless. I'm a big underdog. I can't play it safe. Miller has serious upside and that's what I need.

 

[SanDawg]

I for one cannot play him this week. Want to but not liking what I have been seeing in some other threads here today. Perhaps I go Hightower, Artis-Payne, Dez or Wheaton. Can't take another 3

 

[Meatwad Reloaded]

Dallas is the best option for Miller because of surrounding talent and Garrett's history of leaning on a cowbell RB. Other friendly landing spots would be IND, BALT, CAR and HOU.

Other enticing landing spots are OAK, NYJ or NYG.

I do not want Miller signing with NE, no way, no how. I do not want any part of dealing with BB and his random use of RBs!

Garrett is gone after this year, imo. The fact he couldn't even compete in that division this year is pretty telling.

 

[Meatwad Reloaded]

I am not an expert, but I think Miami is screwed. They cannot pay him what he will command because of the Suh contract, so they are seeing what they have with the younger guy. They made a huge mistake and will be paying for it for the next two to three years. 23 million next year and 15 million the year after that.

I don't know why anyone would pay a running back, almost all of them get injured and it is easy to find young guys who can fill in.

 

[Sabertooth]

I currently have him in over Forte. But not for sure.

 

[SCT]

I'm sitting him for Woodhead chark and David Johnson

 

[32 Counter Pass]

Dallas is the best option for Miller because of surrounding talent and Garrett's history of leaning on a cowbell RB. Other friendly landing spots would be IND, BALT, CAR and HOU.

Other enticing landing spots are OAK, NYJ or NYG.

I do not want Miller signing with NE, no way, no how. I do not want any part of dealing with BB and his random use of RBs!

Garrett is gone after this year, imo. The fact he couldn't even compete in that division this year is pretty telling.

My understanding is that Jerry is still a very strong supporter of Garrett. Has he said something different recently?

 

[Fireballer]

I'm sitting him for Woodhead chark and David Johnson

Interesting thinking...over Johnson???

 

[SCT]

I'm sitting him for Johnson

 

[Fireballer]

I'm sitting him for Johnson

Lol see that now...time for bed

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Sits

Lamar Miller vs. Colts: It was all about bankable volume in the “Starts” section of this piece. As we’re about to see with the running backs in the “Sits” section, we can’t bank on anything with these guys. Miller was out-snapped by rookie Jay Ajayi 31-18 last week against the Chargers, and Miller managed 24 total scoreless yards on 11 touches. The Dolphins lost by 16 points, and Miller suffered a quad injury in the game, so both those things could have played a factor. But the Dolphins have been yanking Miller around all season, making him impossible to trust as anything more than a boom-or-bust RB2/FLEX option in an above-average spot against Indianapolis. The Dolphins have nothing to play for, and Miller is an impending free agent. They could choose to simply see what they have in Ajayi the final two weeks in an attempt to also possibly lower Miller’s asking price.

 

[JohnnyU]

I don't think I've seen anyone with as much yo-yo value as this guy since he's come into the league.

 

[FF Wiseguy]

Starting Woodhead and Denard at RB. Debating between Miller and C-Mike at Flex. Probably doesn't make much sense to be any more gun shy about Miller than Michael, but I at least have more confidence that Seattle will commit to the run, and Miller seems to be 3rd in the RB pecking order when it comes to the passing game.

 

[Our Gang]

I have this gut feeling Miller goes off this week.

 

[Fireballer]

I have this gut feeling Miller goes off this week.

Im really really looking for a reason to start him this week. Would you mind elaborating on your gut feeling? The reason he missed the 2nd half last week is very cloudy.