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Lamar Miller Vs David Wilson Who's the bigger Fraud? (1 Viewer)
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ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Gotta say Miller will live up to the hype. Becoming one of the best in the game? Probably a stretch, but I could see him as an above average, say like top 15 back in another year or 2. He looked great last week, and seems to be breaking away from Thomas even though coach says differently. He looked good sticking in the backfield protecting Tannehill, which is always sure to get you more time on the field.
Junior McSpiffy
Footballguy
Wilson is just in the doghouse because of fumbling issues. Once Coughlin figures out that nobody else on his roster can carry the rock reliably, he'll grit his teeth and put Wilson back in. For Wilson, it's opportunity.
For Miller, he's just not gotten it done. He was a product of the hype of this astounding-but-not-really Miami breakout season. Yes, he's the lead back on an NFL team, but that just speaks to opportunity. That's it.
Answer: Miller is the fraud. But that doesn't make owning Wilson feel any better.
For Miller, he's just not gotten it done. He was a product of the hype of this astounding-but-not-really Miami breakout season. Yes, he's the lead back on an NFL team, but that just speaks to opportunity. That's it.
Answer: Miller is the fraud. But that doesn't make owning Wilson feel any better.
Run It Up
Footballguy
Theres your second mistake - the first was not already knowing this before this season.
althepostman
Footballguy
Both talented but handicapped by their coaches.
jurb26
Footballguy
Neither are frauds, neither will live up to expectations this year. Miller has a better chance of living up to expectations this year. Miller has clearly played better so far this year. Mother Mia Oline is brutally bad though and therefore he will continue to be limited. Wilson is in the dog house in a major way. I'm to sure if he will get out of it this year.
False Start
Footballguy
You are right it has nothing to do with not making plays, fumbling or being ineffective.
althepostman
Footballguy
Pots
Footballguy
Since when is not predicting someone to fumble twice in the opening game against a division rival considered a mistake?
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Wu-banger
Footballguy
short term Miller appears to the be getting the best chance to shine....... but I think Wilson has a better chance of living up to the lofty preseason hype still (if still possible)
better offense .... maybe a little more natural talent.... plays the Eagles twice
neither IMO have anyone on the roster that is better than them and deserves carries.
better offense .... maybe a little more natural talent.... plays the Eagles twice
neither IMO have anyone on the roster that is better than them and deserves carries.
althepostman
Footballguy
I saw someone on twitter describe daniel thomas' running as "turning and backing into defenders".short term Miller appears to the be getting the best chance to shine....... but I think Wilson has a better chance of living up to the lofty preseason hype still (if still possible)
better offense .... maybe a little more natural talent.... plays the Eagles twice
neither IMO have anyone on the roster that is better than them and deserves carries.
MCguidance
Footballguy
Pretty sure that someone cried on national tv last year after fumbling. Just saying.
I own Miller but think Wilson is a better bet long term.
mbrasi
Footballguy
Does last year count?
althepostman
Footballguy
Grady Wilson
Footballguy
lol says the guy that obviously is a fantasy football guru. Would love to see the makeup of your awesome team since you know you must be the shiznit.
False Start
Footballguy
Gopher State
Footballguy
Wilson wins this battle 
Wise Old Owl
Footballguy
Didn't Miller just have 70yds and a TD last week? I'll take the one with positive fantasy points through two weeks
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
If you take the players's supporters into account, then Wilson is a much bigger fraud. Those Wilson people need trazodone.
BlueBlazer05
Footballguy
Guess who probably has to start both today? 
Run It Up
Footballguy
Thinking that Coughlin cares about your fantasy team or the NFL equivalent of those decisions is the mistake. Forever, thats how long Coughlin has benched players for turning over the ball - regardless of the situation, regardless of the player.
People clamoring that Coughlin is a bad coach, or that if he wants to win games he'll start his most talented back seem to not realize that Coughlin has done just fine winning games and hes always been this way. Thinking that he is gonna change his mind because Wilson is so talented is a) elevating Wilson to a level he isn't and b) absolutely unheard of.
NCPanthersFan
Footballguy
I am going to gladly sell low on both. Right now Wilson looks like the the bigger bust. Miller is being held back by coaching.
That's just not true. Interceptions are turnovers. Not to mention he let Bradshaw play through some fumbles.
That's why Wilson owners are so frustrated. The punishment isn't fitting the crime. Of course, having to run behind that o-line is its own punishment.
MCguidance
Footballguy
Miller looked good - just barely saw the ball. Can't argue I guess, they keep winning.
wudaben
Footballguy
I owned them both in multiple leagues so I know the pain all too well but I'm holding Wilson. While the Giants look terrible! They shouldn't be as bad as they look now plus their first 4 games were against Dallas, Denver, Carolina & KC... All teams who are near the top in defensive rankings this year.
Wilson has zero competition until Brown returns. The KC game and the Bears game week 6 should be the low points for Wilson but otherwise the schedule gets much better.
Wilson has zero competition until Brown returns. The KC game and the Bears game week 6 should be the low points for Wilson but otherwise the schedule gets much better.
steveski
Footballguy
Khy
Footballguy
Wilson is far from Coughlin's doghouse. Right now it's a combination of:
Bad play calling: They're only giving Wilson runs between the tackles, yet they're throwing screens and tosses to Brandon 'plodder' Jacobs. Seems logical. Down by 3? Lets pass three downs in a row, punt, get a turnover, pass three times again and punt again.
Bad blocking: The fact that Wilson's rushing totals are -50 yards right now is a showing of how shifty he actually is... almost every run he's had all season has been blown up in the backfield and he still breaks 1-2 tackles to at least get back to the line of scrimmage.
This is true, but if you watched Scott and Jacobs this week they both aren't even deserving of being rostered by NFL teams. Eventually, the Giants have to see that. I feel like Wilson's snap count also grew a lot in this game. And should continue to grow as he shows to be the only real back they have to put behind Eli. He looked significantly better running than both Scott and Jacobs and his pass blocking was much better than Scott's. Who let up 2 sacks in this game by taking some of the worst pass blocking angles I've ever seen. But with the way the o-line is playing... 75% of 50 yards a game still is benchable until further notice.
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