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How many times will the FIns be protecting a 2+ TD 2nd half lead?
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Lamar Miller--Why is no one talking about him? (1 Viewer)
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MAC_32
Footballguy
Looking at the end of my benches - Andrew Hawkins, Randall Cobb, Jacquizz Rodgers, Jerome Simpson. Can't get behind dropping any of them for Miller, at this pace Quizz isn't going to need an injury to get a longer look like Miller will. The others look to have big roles in their offense.If you had a bad injury or have a bad draft pick and waivers are bone dry, ok, maybe. But unless you're the Bush owner in a deep league he's just a waiver wire target in case Bush does get hurt.
Rick James
Footballguy
For starters in the NFL, I look at talent + opportunity to figure out who to draft.
For back-ups, I look at talent + pathway to starting. Lamar Miller is very talented, and I think he has a realistic shot at starting some time this year w/ Daniel Thomas being unimpressive/hurt, and Reggie Bush either being hurt or playing a more WR/RB role, allowing Miller to see the field.
And since RB on the waiver wire is so thin anyway, it's worth a shot.
For back-ups, I look at talent + pathway to starting. Lamar Miller is very talented, and I think he has a realistic shot at starting some time this year w/ Daniel Thomas being unimpressive/hurt, and Reggie Bush either being hurt or playing a more WR/RB role, allowing Miller to see the field.
And since RB on the waiver wire is so thin anyway, it's worth a shot.
chinawildman
Footballguy
Miller played a series in the 2nd quarter and showed well.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Lots of backups play a series per half, sometimes 2.Again, love him long term, thought he was a steal draft day, and never had a doubt about him jumping Thomas on the depth chart, but barring an injury to Bush at best he's Ben Tate in a worse offense.
chinawildman
Footballguy
I'm interested in seeing Miller's role when Thomas returns. I can't imagine that they would deactivate him again after this showing. Their kick returner Thigpen was active at the expense of Miller in the first game so it's possible we may see Miller on kick returns assuming he hasn't already unseated Thomas as Bush's backup. For Thomas it's a new regime, fumbles, concussions, and questions of his dedication and toughness. All signs are pointing down for him.
I doubt Bush will have another 26 carry game this season, there will definitely be touches for whomever the #2 RB is.
I doubt Bush will have another 26 carry game this season, there will definitely be touches for whomever the #2 RB is.
strong
Footballguy
Agree. Thomas looks like the odd man out here.
The WRs you mentioned are probably going to give you 4-8 points a week all year. Rodgers about the same (sorry he just looks average to me).Miller is going to give you less than 5 a week as long as Bush is healthy, but double digits if he isn't.I'll leave it to you to decide which has the most potential to push your team over the top this year.
FavreAndAwayAnIdiot
Footballguy
So... Didn't see the game, but the stat line shows Miller with a 5.3 ypc average and no key fumbles. Now, how did he really look compared to Thomas?
Compared to Thomas, he is amazing.
tombonneau
Footballguy
Yup. As bush owner I already have Lamar and will not bother to pick up Thomas. If bush is out an extended period Lamar's talent will rise to the top.
We Tigers
Footballguy
He looked really good, just as elusive as he did at the U. Thomas got the OT carries, I guess as the veteran hand or something, but Miller showed better all day and didn't fumble. I think he's still a longshot to produce much this year, but is a great dynasty target. If they don't resign Bush, he'll be starting in 2013.
Area51Inhabitant
Footballguy
Is Miller going to factor at all in the passing game? Did he play at all on third downs or do the coaches not yet trust his pass protection abilities?
JHuber77
Footballguy
No they dont trust him yet. This is the whole problem with picking a guy up like Miller. MIA will be behind in a lot of games. This limits how much he will be on the field if he cannot pass block.
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
Lavachebeadsman
Footballguy
Preemptively picked him up in the 3 leagues, ended up dropping him in the 3rd for Flacco this week. Probably going to regret that one.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
19 carries for 113 yards(5.9 per) and a TD while get you some field time. His pass protection might limit his snaps but as long as he is pushing 6 per carry he is going to get some work.Thomas: 22 for 80 yards(3.6 per) a TD and two fumbles lost.'JHuber77 said:
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JHuber77
Footballguy
Yeah thats the best thing Miller could do for his team
MAC_32
Footballguy
He dropped in the draft because a) health concerns and b) football IQ. That football IQ is very much related to the passing game. He's a much better pure runner than Thomas, but he is not going to get the load and will unfortunately be taken out of the gameplan when the FIns are playing from behind. Matchup RB2/flex play as long as Reggie is out, but that's it.'Area51Inhabitant said:
Rushmore
Footballguy
Regarding the FB IQ, I specifically remember a play yesterday where Miller went to the wrong hole, leaving Tannehill with the ball and nobody to hand off to. He ended up trying to run with it, but got creamed behind the los.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Oof, hadn't read that, even more discouraging about his short term prospects.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
So if Bush misses time the guy averaging 2 yards per carry less that has fumbled twice on just 22 rushes is going to keep the guy who has not fumbled and is averaging 5.9 per carry on the bench because he might have gone the wrong way on a hand off?I understand the pass protection issues, but if Miller keeps running at near 6 per he is going to be on the field. And if Thomas puts the ball on the ground again Miller is going to be on the field a lot more often.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Well, it appears Miller is going to get his shot here perhaps. Good thing, as I'm riding Michael Bush right now and his shelf life appears to be short.
Gatorman
Supreme Elite Maximum Tier
Dolphin fan thoughts here: 1) Bush is dinged and may not miss a game. Evidently he was set to come back in but the knee stiffenned. (G.D. end of half run after a roughing the kicker penalty screwed the dolphins yesterday in losing Bush @#$#).2) If he did miss a gmae, I think that Thomas starts the game with miller as the Change of pace. The issue here is that the dolphins do not move the ball with any consistency when Thomas is in there, so if the game is close miller should take over as time progresses bc he looks better to anyone with eyes. If the game isn't close (and if Miami gets down by 10 or more) then Thomas becomes the receiving RB out of the backfield, so lamar is screwed there as well.3) I think (before Bush blew up to begin the season) that Miami was thinking that Miller would take over the Bush role next year and they'd either let him walk in FA or trade him to a team that needed a RB. The fact that he has doen so well and the fanbase is yelling RE-GGIE RE-GGIe at every game now means that it will not happen, so Thomas and miller have limited value when Bush is healthy.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Football coaches care just as much about the blown play detailed by Rushmore as they do turnovers because plays like that one usually lead to punts and turnovers. YPC is important, but it's only a piece, Addai made a career out of being an incredibly mediocre runner but great pass protector/catcher. Tannehill and the coaches have to trust him and everything so far indicates they can't. Yet, anyway. If they can't trust him in a part time role how can they expand on it?
Wadsworth
Footballguy
why do you say this? seems to me he has very little chance of playing. thomas looks putrid and fumbles but still gets the workload.
Rick James
Footballguy
I don't think you can pull anything significant from that stat. The Miami coaches obviously didn't plan on Reggie Bush being injured. They may have just relied on the guy who took the most reps in practice. If Thomas practices with the 1's this week then that's obviously a sign that he'll get the bulk of the carries. But until then we don't really know.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I 2nd that, very nice MACGood info, thanks.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Cream rises. Miller is the only running back this coaching staff picked. I think he gets his chance so they can see what they have going forward. Reggie Bush is a free agent after 2012. If Miller can carry the load, they don't need to worry about him. I just think he'll be see extended action this season. In fact, I'm fairly certain of it, Bush injury or not.
Reggie Bush (knee) admitted Wednesday he's not 100 percent.
Bush appears to have missed Wednesday's practice, but the Dolphins have yet to issue official word. Either way, Bush is expected to play against the Rams, but he'll be doing so at less than full health. After getting off to a hot start this season, Bush has averaged just 3.19 YPC over his past two games. He'll get to rest up during Miami's Week 7 bye. Oct 10 - 3:55 PM
Dolphins RB Daniel Thomas has been officially listed with a concussion.
The Dolphins held off on announcing that Thomas sustained a concussion in Miami's Week 5 win over the Bengals until after Wednesday's practice. With this being Thomas' second concussion this season, there is certainly cause for concern. No timetable has been set for his return. Oct 10 - 4:57 PM
Bush appears to have missed Wednesday's practice, but the Dolphins have yet to issue official word. Either way, Bush is expected to play against the Rams, but he'll be doing so at less than full health. After getting off to a hot start this season, Bush has averaged just 3.19 YPC over his past two games. He'll get to rest up during Miami's Week 7 bye. Oct 10 - 3:55 PM
Dolphins RB Daniel Thomas has been officially listed with a concussion.
The Dolphins held off on announcing that Thomas sustained a concussion in Miami's Week 5 win over the Bengals until after Wednesday's practice. With this being Thomas' second concussion this season, there is certainly cause for concern. No timetable has been set for his return. Oct 10 - 4:57 PM
Cheesedawg
Footballguy
I have not seen a Dolphin game this year but I own Lamar Miller.
With Bush nursing a knee and Thomas now twice-concussed, what is Miller's value currently? Obviously he was totally ignored last week. Dolphin homers... any chance Miller suddenly gets a bunch of touches? Where else can the touches go?
With Bush nursing a knee and Thomas now twice-concussed, what is Miller's value currently? Obviously he was totally ignored last week. Dolphin homers... any chance Miller suddenly gets a bunch of touches? Where else can the touches go?
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
Don't really get this. The guy is 5'10" 218lbs. Virtually identical size to LT2. Didn't seem to prevent him from being a goal line option. I think Miller is being categorized as more of a scat back kind of guy, when he's actually a pretty good all around runner. I think he's clearly a better runner than Thomas, but his inadequacies in pass pro are holding him back right now. I think Miller will be a 3 down back in Miami as soon as 2013.
The priority is to protect the franchise, Ryan Tannehill. Miller missed an audible a couple of games ago and has been considered a liability in pass protection since day 1. However, he is a better runner than Thomas, can go the distance, could be a goal line back and is a good receiver as evidenced by the team's training camp experiments with him in a split out position. Miller-time could arrive in 2013 if Bush is not resigned. Or sooner if Bush goes down. Thomas has lost two fumbles and has averaged about 2 yards less per carry than Miller. The other options, FB Javorskie Lane lost a fumble last week and failed to convert a short-yardage situation.
javorski lane. i'm talking about this year. under 3 goal-line td's guaranteed, and that's if all other angles of the perfect storm fall in place for him.
saintfool
Dead sexy
i seem to recall some chatter in the preseason and/or training cap about how surprisingly good miller was. that's not to say he was great but that he wasn't as bad as many people thought of a rookie RB.
just_want_2_win
Footballguy
Daniel Thomas has been ruled out for week 6. Miller will back up Bush. Week 7 is Miami's bye.
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6522/daniel-thomas
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6522/daniel-thomas
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Soulfly3
Footballguy
two words for you.arian foster.
I did not watch a lot of Miller in college but from what I've seen I tend to agree. He's fast, has decent enough size and I think good hands. So somethings going for him.He runs soft, like Chris Johnson kind of soft. When he makes contact the pile does not move and for that matter neither does his legs. He's dead on contact. One of his good traits, his receiving skills, are going to be hindered because he's so raw he can't be trusted to pass block.His future IMO is as a change of pace/third down back IF he can learn to pass block. He's to soft and limited of a runner to ever be a teams feature back.
