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Lamont Jordan / Michael Bush / Rhodes (1 Viewer)
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zamboni
Footballguy
Not a homer, but I think with Jordan's injury, the requirement to take a paycut to stay with the team, a new coaching staff, and much improved competition beyond Fargas, he's got a major uphill battle to maintain his status as the clear-cut starting RB.
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LawFitz
Footballguy
RBBC
Jordan's value as an RB1 left along time ago on Norv Turdner's wagon.
Expect 50% Jordan, 35% Rhodes and 15% Fargas/Fullbacks. Not a good split on an offense that is trying to climb out of the cellar.
The wildcard is Michael Bush and how quickly he recovers. He's projected to be ready for training camp, but we'll just have to see. The team may choose to redshirt him on IR to be safe.
Jordan's value as an RB1 left along time ago on Norv Turdner's wagon.
Expect 50% Jordan, 35% Rhodes and 15% Fargas/Fullbacks. Not a good split on an offense that is trying to climb out of the cellar.
The wildcard is Michael Bush and how quickly he recovers. He's projected to be ready for training camp, but we'll just have to see. The team may choose to redshirt him on IR to be safe.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Jordan has more talent than Rhodes, but seems to be a bit of a cancer. Given Kiffin's desire to unify and motivate this team, along with Jordan's complacent attitude, I can see this if Jordan gets into the doghouse.
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
What has Jordan shown that would indicate he's a cancer? I realize he quit on the team last year, but the coaching in Oakland last season was some of the worst coaching the NFL has ever seen. A lot of players started mailing it in.
sholditch
Footballguy
What do you guys think about Bush's dynasty prospects. To me, he would have been the second RB off the board if he hadn't broken his leg, but he did so he didn't get the scrutiny that other picks have had. What do you guys think about his ability to overcome the injury first of all, and how good could be in the NFL at 100%. Do people pretty much agree he's the back of the future in OAK?
zamboni
Footballguy
Agreed - I never got the sense that he was a cancer. Maybe outspoken, but not a cancer from what I've heard/read.What has Jordan shown that would indicate he's a cancer? I realize he quit on the team last year, but the coaching in Oakland last season was some of the worst coaching the NFL has ever seen. A lot of players started mailing it in.
LawFitz
Footballguy
I said "a bit" of a cancer.He's openly complained in the past; he's admitted to not learning blocking schemes (under Turdner); he's upset and has vocalized it recently about taking a pay cut to $3 MM this year.Frankly, as a Raiders homer, I've been pretty underwhelmed by Jordan since he's arrived. He talks a big game, but tends to run soft and without vision. He had an okay season under Norv, but what RB hasn't? Even that year, he avg'd below 4 YPC and only did well from a fantasy perspective b/c of a ton of catches and moderate TDs.He has talent, and could be very good if given the rock in a competent offense, but I think Rhodes will push him for PT.Agreed - I never got the sense that he was a cancer. Maybe outspoken, but not a cancer from what I've heard/read.What has Jordan shown that would indicate he's a cancer? I realize he quit on the team last year, but the coaching in Oakland last season was some of the worst coaching the NFL has ever seen. A lot of players started mailing it in.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
Rhodes isin't good enough to be a starting RB in this league. He is a spot starter at best, and an ok RBBC back. He just doesn't have the all arond tools to be starting RB material and is best utilized as a COP/RBBC type player.Jordan has the tools to be a starting RB, and could be very good in the right offense. The problem with Jordan is he has had to play in one of the worst all around offenses in the league the last 2 years (especially last season) and he may have lost some confidence after last years struggles.I don't know who will be the week 1 starter, but Jordan will end up looking better than Rhodes and will get more touches. At this time I really don't know the percentage of those touches; the Raiders offense has the most question marks in the league at this time due to all of the changes that have taken place.
zamboni
Footballguy
I do give you props, Carter. You've stuck with this guy for some time now. I thought a lot of him before he came to the Raiders, but I've definitely soured on him. Sure he's been in a poor offense the past few years, but so have plenty of RBs (even those not named Tomlinson). If he were that good, he still would have shown more than he has. As someone noted earlier, he didn't have a great year under Turner - fantasy-wise yes, but not from an NFL standpoint (3.8 YPC).
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Rhodes is the perfect example of an AL DAVIS free agent signing.1) Super Bowl experience
2) past his prime
3) no other team would pay him what the Raider did immediately after becoming a free agent after winning the championship.
ie. Larry Brown(never had a prime), Warren sapp, Sam Adams, Teddy Washington, etc...those are the obvious players that come to mind.
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lol at least no what you're talking about if you're going to post in this thread. Rhodes has a base salary of only 1.5 million for this season and only a 1 million dollar signing bonus. Ya that is HUGE He's 28 - the prime years for a RB - and RBs typically hit wall at 30 well guess what he's signed on for only 2 years. Add the fact that Rhodes has a lot of mileage left in him and his recieving abilities fit well in Kiffin's scheme and his pass blocking (which will be a huge upgrade among the rest of the RBs on the roster) make it a smart signing. He should be a good #2 back complimenting Jordan until Bush is ready to be the man. And I'm not even mention the winning/playoff experience he brings to a very young team.
From a fantasy perspective I would stay away from this situation, in deep leagues though I would take Bush because he appears to be ready by training camp and he should be the main man at some point later on in the season.
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RenegadeGM
Footballguy
Rhodes pleaded guilty to reckless driving charges this offseason, although he had drunk driving charges dropped. He still could be in line for a small suspension, maybe a game. This could have a short-term impact.
That being said, if there was going to be some sort of suspension I'm sure we'd have heard about it by now.
That being said, if there was going to be some sort of suspension I'm sure we'd have heard about it by now.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Nice owning of another short-sighted Raider hater post.Add to this the fact that Warren Sapp has played very well the last two years after they moved him back inside to his natural under-tackle position and that Sam Adams was a beast and a big part of the run D that got to the Superbowl the one year he was in Oakland.
Immediately after that year he bolted to Buffalo, where he was a big part of their resurgent defense for the next couple of years.
Ted Dub was just okay and Larry Brown was clearly a joke. As was Desmond Howard, who the poster should've mentioned if he had any real insight.
At the end of the day tho, Rhodes doesn't equate to ANY of these guys. He may be a solid contributor or a bust, but he was Kiffin's pick, not Al's and just b/c Brown and Howard busted doesn't mean squat to this situation!
Winning IS Everything
Footballguy
Personally I rank:JacksonBushIronsHenryThough if Bush is not going on IR or PUP I would take him over Jackson.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
The Third RB taking yes, I still think LYNCH(barf) was the Best all around RB this Year, Peterson the Monster at Number 2, only because of injury concerns, Bush at #3 then Bradshaw(Highly Underated IMHO) at # 4. But I like the long term outlook for Bush, If the Raiders get thier act together.
I would take Bush over all of those pretenders listed. But I would not completely abandon Lamont Jordon just yet as a potential sleeper this year for the Raiders.Chris Henry - A #### ing Joke.Brandon Jackson - Mediocre and Morency will win the Starting Job and keep it for the duration.Kenny Irons - A possible, possible stater in a few years, I just dont like him as a primary ball carrier.
LawFitz
Footballguy
FWIW, from the Oakland Raiders message board...
In case it adds any credibility to this fellow, he also posted pics of he and Bush in his office to corroborate this story.
Rf.net formally welcome Michael Bush to the "Nation"!
Yesterday I had the priviledge of meeting a hometown hero and a new member of the Oakland Raiders, Michael Bush.
Michael had stopped by the car dealership I work at yesterday afternoon and I had the honor of introducing him to rf.net and formally welcoming him and his family to the Raider Nation. First off I want to say that Michael and his family are great people! He is excited to be part of the Raiders and is working hard to be ready by training camp. He informed me that he recently had his leg x-rayed and everything is fine. In his words," The doctor told me there is no reason I shouldn't be running a 4.40", with a smile. I think he was a little surprised I knew so much about him. The first thing I said to Michael when I introduced myself was, "Happy birthday Michael". The look on his face was priceless. I explained that I wasn't a stalker just a die hard Raider fan,.
He and I had some time to talk privately and Michael shared some insight on the coaching staff. I asked him what he thought about Lane Kiffin. He said that Coach Kiffin was a great coach and a great motivator. He also shared his first experience with AL Davis with me. He said that he hasn't actually talked with big Al but one day he was in the weight room and looked over to see this older gentlemen doing squats and thought to himself," isn't that guy a little old to be working out in here?". Then it dawned on him later who it was. He said that Al had been sick lately and was working hard to get himself back to form.
Anyways, while we talked in my office I had the opportunity to show him this site, specifically the birthday thread for him. He read every post in the thread. We talked a bit about the H.O.T and how he has heard so much about the fans. I gave him the rf.net web address and he promises to stop by and give us a shout from time to time. There is a real good chance that Michael will be reading this thread. So, lets welcome him to the only real Nation, "The Raider Nation"!
In case it adds any credibility to this fellow, he also posted pics of he and Bush in his office to corroborate this story.
Rf.net formally welcome Michael Bush to the "Nation"!
Yesterday I had the priviledge of meeting a hometown hero and a new member of the Oakland Raiders, Michael Bush.
Michael had stopped by the car dealership I work at yesterday afternoon and I had the honor of introducing him to rf.net and formally welcoming him and his family to the Raider Nation. First off I want to say that Michael and his family are great people! He is excited to be part of the Raiders and is working hard to be ready by training camp. He informed me that he recently had his leg x-rayed and everything is fine. In his words," The doctor told me there is no reason I shouldn't be running a 4.40", with a smile. I think he was a little surprised I knew so much about him. The first thing I said to Michael when I introduced myself was, "Happy birthday Michael". The look on his face was priceless. I explained that I wasn't a stalker just a die hard Raider fan,.
He and I had some time to talk privately and Michael shared some insight on the coaching staff. I asked him what he thought about Lane Kiffin. He said that Coach Kiffin was a great coach and a great motivator. He also shared his first experience with AL Davis with me. He said that he hasn't actually talked with big Al but one day he was in the weight room and looked over to see this older gentlemen doing squats and thought to himself," isn't that guy a little old to be working out in here?". Then it dawned on him later who it was. He said that Al had been sick lately and was working hard to get himself back to form.
Anyways, while we talked in my office I had the opportunity to show him this site, specifically the birthday thread for him. He read every post in the thread. We talked a bit about the H.O.T and how he has heard so much about the fans. I gave him the rf.net web address and he promises to stop by and give us a shout from time to time. There is a real good chance that Michael will be reading this thread. So, lets welcome him to the only real Nation, "The Raider Nation"!
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Raider Fan. Sorry LawFitz but you are wrong.2) How was I owned?-I never said Rhodes salary was HUGE.(you put those words in my mouth, no thanks.)
-When did i say it was a bad free agent pick-up?
-Saying they were past their primes isn't a stretch by any means. They all still had/have talent, but their BEST days are behind them. Are they still playable and not liabilities? Yes...in some cases.
Back to Rhodes...
-Since his contract is so reasonable...why didn't any other teams go after him?
-And if there were larger contracts available to him...Why did he sign with the Raiders?
Questions I had to myself when the Raiders signed him. Playing devils advocate...
And I do believe its a great signing by the Raiders. Dom Rhodes can help the running game and offense. The point of my post was that Al Davis fingerprints are all over Dom Rhodes signing. I didn't say it was a terrible signing, which is how Vision6 and Lawfitz appear to be taking it. Kiffen fingerprints could be on this too, but Al Davis wrinkled hands smushed them out.
And I did leave Desmond Howard out...Excuse me for not remembering every bit of Raider history. Im not the Raider Historian you are Lawfitz.
btw enjoy reading your raider posts. You did kind of agree with me LawFitz. 
Its hard to be Raider fan nowadays especially in forums. Raiders fans need to constantly defend themselves and the Silver and Black, which is not an easy task. So i understand your need to lash out at me(raider fan also) as instinct. But cmon...I don't mind homerism...relax sometimes.
I would take him over Chris Henry. No question. Kenny Irons would lose out maybe by a hair. This is close to me and purely depends on your dynasty strategy. Both players are at least two years away from doing anything significant. Irons owners are just hoping Rudi gets bounced out because of contract issues. Great read a couple weeks ago...EBFs thread. Ill link it later http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=318932&hl=. But i think Bush has more talent and a better situation upcoming.DA RAIDERS said:
Brandon Jackson has talent. period.
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Blackjacks
Footballguy
I like Rhodes to be the starter for this year while Bush is getting fully recovered and slowly let him take over. If you look at Rhodes's career he has done a pretty good job when he gets a chance.
