TheArchitect
Footballguy
Does anyone think LaMont Jordan has big upside in an RBBC with Maroney, similar to what was expected from Deuce/Bush?
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Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
I don't see the similarity, nor do I know yet just how well Duece's knee will recover - I am watching to see how he will come around. The NE back situation looks be so spread around that Jordan, Morris and Maroney will all have value (don't forget Faulk/Evans will likely get some too if both are there) but not so much that I want to spend a high 4th on Maroney. I think he should be a safe, solid 800 - 1,000 total yds, 35-40 catches and 6-8 TDs. Pretty dam good - but I don't see much beyond that too likely - there are just too many options. Why not pick up Morris or Jordan very late and enjoy the best guys available at that point.
JGalligan
Footballguy
I agree about the RB situation being spread around. I've liked LaMont Jordan since forever and had him on my team last year. He was producing great until he hurt his back. If he can keep up similar performances to the one we just saw in the first pre-season game, I can see Belichick giving the majority of spell carries to him. The RB situation was really spread out last year because Maroney was injured and Faulk, Morris and Evans all brought the best to the table when playing off one another. Jordan is enough of a complete, well-rounded back to potentially get a lot of the backup carries though. Plus, Maroney is an injury risk so you never know. Don't draft him too early like Binky said and you can wait and see what happens.Binky The Doormat said:
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
I think Jordan is going to go FAR too early for me to take him.
Routilla
Footballguy
Agreed. I'd take Sammy Morris before Jordan if I was forced to draft a NE RB. But I will not have any NE RBs on my roster.
-baller
Footballguy
really??I had just figured he'd go late.is there any kind of reliable adp associated w/him, or is he too speculative to get a bead on?
The only Patriots back I'd want is Maroney. He's the starter, if he gets hurt I haven't a clue how the workload will be spread. It could be a 3-headed monster ala Staley, Buckhalter and Westbrook circa 2003.
If Maroney stays healthy, none of the other Patriot backs will be useful to a fantasy team. The value play here is Maroney in round 4.
Jordan is going too high and is being way overhyped, by no means is he necessarily the #2 RB and by no means is he going to unseat Maroney.
If anything he has less upside then most backups.
If Maroney stays healthy, none of the other Patriot backs will be useful to a fantasy team. The value play here is Maroney in round 4.
Jordan is going too high and is being way overhyped, by no means is he necessarily the #2 RB and by no means is he going to unseat Maroney.
If anything he has less upside then most backups.
a_troll00
Footballguy
I can see a situation once again where Maroney doesn't get a heavy workload during the regular season - with the Pats wanting to keep him fresh for the playoffs. I see the Pats RB situation being a three headed monster of Maroney, Jordan, and Morris... and Faulk getting some touches during passing downs.I wouldn't even think of touching Maroney before the fourth round. Unfortunately though, I believe the FF community values Maroney a lot more than does Darth Hoodie. It may still be wise to grab somebody else with the fourth pick.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Pats will most likely keep Maroney, Morris, Jordan, Faulk, and Evans.
T Bell
Footballguy
Evans is a FB though, right? That would mean they're keeping 4 HB's, right?
-baller
Footballguy
eckel is done?edit:yeah, evans is a fullback.
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David Yudkin
Footballguy
Can't see them keeping him over any of the others. He could end up on the practice squad.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
They don't have enough roster space to keep 6 RBs (HB or FB).
buck naked
Footballguy
Did you see what Darth Hoodie (what a great name) did with Sammy Morris last year? It KILLED Maroney's value last year. I cannot imagine Darth Hoodie likes Morris any less than last year after the way Morris produced for NE when he played.
-baller
Footballguy
from what I've heard, they like morris plenty -- he wasn't some random signing -- they saw a lot of him on the dolphins.
of course, that's what they say....
maroney came into last year as a very shakey ff prospect, but this year is a little different.
he's got another year experience, he's in better shape healthwise, and I think you'll see him more than last year, barring another injury, of course.
morris will still be there, though, maybe vulturing some td's and sucking up the 4th quarter garbage time, so in some respects it'll probably resemble a rbbc.
we'll see where they work jordan in....
of course, that's what they say....
maroney came into last year as a very shakey ff prospect, but this year is a little different.
he's got another year experience, he's in better shape healthwise, and I think you'll see him more than last year, barring another injury, of course.
morris will still be there, though, maybe vulturing some td's and sucking up the 4th quarter garbage time, so in some respects it'll probably resemble a rbbc.
we'll see where they work jordan in....
David Yudkin
Footballguy
On the Pats roster options . . .
I'm hearing that the most likely outcome is that they keep the 5 RB I already listed and only two TE (Watson and Thomas), meaning Eckel and Pollard end up on the wrong side looking in.
On the Pats RB situation . . .
I have seen zero evidence (or been informed by anyone I know) that the Pats plan on giving Maroney substanially more work (and for those that were paying attention I mentioned all off season that they were actively looking for another RB and gave regular reports as to who they were looking at and bringing in).
To recap, the Pats have not shown that they virew Maroney as a workhorse, 20 carry back. He has typically been held to 15-17 carries with only rare instances slightly higher. IMO, last year's post season carries were impacted by having limited options once Morris went down.
The other factor that I have been reminding people is that NE is doomed without him in the post season, so they have no incentive to burn him out during the regular season. Again as I mentioned last year, the plan all along was to save Maroney for the playoffs and increase his role at the end of the year.
I still see that as a strategy for this year, as they don't need Maroney to get the ball 25 times to win most weeks. Yes, they will probably have a lot of late game garbage time carries to kill the clock, but I doubt Maroney will be in the game once they are comfortably ahead and the game pretty much decided.
Without the quest to set passing and receiving records, the Pats will likely run a touch more than last year, but I still only see Maroney getting half of the RB carries (and very few receptions). As the road map reads now, Faulk will be in again on passing situations, Jordan and Morris will split short yardage situations, and from what I heard they are experiementing with Jordan in the red zone.
That being said, I would not take this as a death knell for Maroney's TD opportunties. I do not remember many times when they pulled him in favor of someone else once he was already inserted into the game. Moreover, I suspect that the Jordan experiement is to get him accustomed to the many different packages the Pats utilize.
To that end, the other concern people should have for ANY Pats RB is that NE will scheme and game plan completely different for each weekly foe, and if they decide passing is the way to go, good luck having the RBs get many carries. Similarly, for all those that pointed to an uptick in rushing be the Pts later in the year, they actually passed MORE than early in the season, not less.
ANother issue is that in closer games the Pats invariable try to pass their way out of trouble and will elect to abandon the run. For some reason, if they try running a few times and get nowhere, they often abandon the running game almost entirely.
Another concern is that NE loves to pass deep in the red zone and has frequently used TEs and LBs at the goal line to catch passes. On other squads, those would be gimme TDs for RBs. Moss and Welker also feasted in short TD receptions.
So while one would think that Pats ground game would translate into big time fantasy production from their RBs, that really is not the case.
I'm hearing that the most likely outcome is that they keep the 5 RB I already listed and only two TE (Watson and Thomas), meaning Eckel and Pollard end up on the wrong side looking in.
On the Pats RB situation . . .
I have seen zero evidence (or been informed by anyone I know) that the Pats plan on giving Maroney substanially more work (and for those that were paying attention I mentioned all off season that they were actively looking for another RB and gave regular reports as to who they were looking at and bringing in).
To recap, the Pats have not shown that they virew Maroney as a workhorse, 20 carry back. He has typically been held to 15-17 carries with only rare instances slightly higher. IMO, last year's post season carries were impacted by having limited options once Morris went down.
The other factor that I have been reminding people is that NE is doomed without him in the post season, so they have no incentive to burn him out during the regular season. Again as I mentioned last year, the plan all along was to save Maroney for the playoffs and increase his role at the end of the year.
I still see that as a strategy for this year, as they don't need Maroney to get the ball 25 times to win most weeks. Yes, they will probably have a lot of late game garbage time carries to kill the clock, but I doubt Maroney will be in the game once they are comfortably ahead and the game pretty much decided.
Without the quest to set passing and receiving records, the Pats will likely run a touch more than last year, but I still only see Maroney getting half of the RB carries (and very few receptions). As the road map reads now, Faulk will be in again on passing situations, Jordan and Morris will split short yardage situations, and from what I heard they are experiementing with Jordan in the red zone.
That being said, I would not take this as a death knell for Maroney's TD opportunties. I do not remember many times when they pulled him in favor of someone else once he was already inserted into the game. Moreover, I suspect that the Jordan experiement is to get him accustomed to the many different packages the Pats utilize.
To that end, the other concern people should have for ANY Pats RB is that NE will scheme and game plan completely different for each weekly foe, and if they decide passing is the way to go, good luck having the RBs get many carries. Similarly, for all those that pointed to an uptick in rushing be the Pts later in the year, they actually passed MORE than early in the season, not less.
ANother issue is that in closer games the Pats invariable try to pass their way out of trouble and will elect to abandon the run. For some reason, if they try running a few times and get nowhere, they often abandon the running game almost entirely.
Another concern is that NE loves to pass deep in the red zone and has frequently used TEs and LBs at the goal line to catch passes. On other squads, those would be gimme TDs for RBs. Moss and Welker also feasted in short TD receptions.
So while one would think that Pats ground game would translate into big time fantasy production from their RBs, that really is not the case.
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Excellent post as always David. Thx for keeping us all up-to-speed on the Pats RB situation.Biggest takeaway from your posts (going back to last season): Maroney will never reach full potential (fantasy-wise) until/unless he leaves NE when his rookie contract expires. I hope he starts the season out with a few huge games, as I'll immediately look to trade him if / when he reaches peak value this season. Thx again.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
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