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More and more, I read about people taking laptop computers to a live, in person draft. What are the practical uses for a laptop computer, if there is only a short time between picks? What purposes can you accomplish with a laptop that you cannot accomplish with a draftboard and a notepad?

 
For me its the use of excel program. It can be used to do ALL of your adding and subtracting and do it alot faster and neater than you can by hand. I ABSOLUTELY love it. While people are setting around adding and subtracting i got the jump on them and can be thinking about strategy rather than addition. Plus if you get crafty with the program you project SO much stuff. This year i have about ten to eleven worksheets with all kinds of tidbits including Defense by committe stats strength of schedule,nfl schedule, QB strength of schedule,plus all rosters,draft notes from previous years,a mock draft i did projecting what might happen and what to do in various scenarios-all of this can be done by hand but i think its basically neater and faster.

 
Yeah. If you have to ask, you haven't used Draft Dominator during a draft yet. All the static info you could want like your projections, ADP, NFL depth charts, etc, are there. Plus all the non-static info that you'd have to spend extra time on to have with paper... like being able to see in a glance how many players at each position have been taken by other teams between your current and next picks to get an idea what position they might go after. It's also easier to type in a name and have it jump to the player than it is to read down a list looking for Hank Baskett.
 
More and more, I read about people taking laptop computers to a live, in person draft. What are the practical uses for a laptop computer, if there is only a short time between picks? What purposes can you accomplish with a laptop that you cannot accomplish with a draftboard and a notepad?
People can still do math with paper and pen, but the calculator is helpful. People can walk, but bikes and cars are faster. People can write letters, but email is a step up. People can remember their wedding, or they can take a picture. You can go find a payphone, or just use your cell. Etc. Don't fear technology. A computer is just a big calculator that can store pages and pages of info that you can access at a click instead of shuffling through sheets of paper. Talk about only having so much time, I'd rather click through 4 different pages of info (ADP, ranking, stas etc) than have to shuffle through in less than 2 or 3 minutes.If you use the DD offered here then you will find a laptop almost indispensible. Even if you don't use the VBD system it's still a great tracking program that presents you with a multitude of ways to see who's left, who's best and what's available at every position to help make your choice.
 
For me its the use of excel program. It can be used to do ALL of your adding and subtracting and do it alot faster and neater than you can by hand. I ABSOLUTELY love it. While people are setting around adding and subtracting i got the jump on them and can be thinking about strategy rather than addition. Plus if you get crafty with the program you project SO much stuff. This year i have about ten to eleven worksheets with all kinds of tidbits including Defense by committe stats strength of schedule,nfl schedule, QB strength of schedule,plus all rosters,draft notes from previous years,a mock draft i did projecting what might happen and what to do in various scenarios-all of this can be done by hand but i think its basically neater and faster.
yeah i looked at last year and again last week and i like alot but they are a few thing it wont tweak enough for me but as far as the general refernce its great. i also like to color code things and i guess im just biased toward the worksheets i put together,but its an awesome program. :thumbup:
 
I've been using DD as my only draft tool for four years now (3 leagues) and can't imagine drafting without it. Being able to quickly look at how many players other teams have drafted is a HUGE benefit. For example, last night I was drafting at #11. At the 3-4 turn, with a glance, I knew the guy on the turn needed an RB. There were two WRs and an RB I wanted. I took the RB instead because taking a WR would have meant that RB wouldn't be there for my next pick. This forced my opponent to take a lesser RB and one of the two WRs I needed. Having that information at a glance is power. Additionally, you can click on a team to see who is on that roster--and predict when backups will be taken because of status of the starters. Searching for a player to see who has him on the roster is beneficial. Then, the top players at each position (and overall) according to your scoring system is a click away. Bye weeks right next to the players name.As if the benefits above aren't enough, I like to go back a few times during the season to see where the real steals and busts were. All the info is logged.I also have a spreadsheet with draft comments that I've been populating since last season ended. This could be in DD, but the s/s is much easier to move around on my thumb drive and allows me to update with data whereever I am.So, with my laptop, I have DD, my draft comments, and access to breaking news or comments on players here to help make up your mind.All this without ever printing a single piece of paper!!
 
In addition to DD, we hold our draft in a hotel conference room, so we have wireless access to the internet during the draft as well.

Makes it great for a quick research on a player that may have fallen to you that you haven't had adequate time to look into (i.e. why is Westbrook falling to the 4th round?). I keep an internet page open to the FBG news page and also to Rotoworld to run quick searches on recent news for players that I might be thinking of drafting.

 
This is the first year I will use a laptop in a draft the DD and VBD tool are very helpful to have to basically keep track of all the picks and to see how players are picked at different positions. Also having links of ADP to look up instead of printing out everything has it advantages. The best thing is you have a your own custom cheat sheet at your disposal with your own rankings.

 
We have a 12 team, 22 players per team, with IDP for our league. 1 guy remotely drafting online from China, another from Japan, and a third in Atlanta. This league is live in Detroit, MI.

The 9 teams that drafted live were all on laptops using wireless. The main draft was on a 186" HD PRojector.

Every made their own picks, whether live or remote through their own PC's. Went off without a hitch in little over 4 hours.

Not to sound like a tool, but it truly was fun to see how far the web has taken this hobby.

 
More and more, I read about people taking laptop computers to a live, in person draft. What are the practical uses for a laptop computer, if there is only a short time between picks? What purposes can you accomplish with a laptop that you cannot accomplish with a draftboard and a notepad?
I won't be using a laptop tomorrow.I use DD to prepare, though.If you're prepared and have done enough mock drafts, IMHO, there is no computer faster than the human brain.Same thing as chess. The best programs will never beat the best players at the highest levels.Think ahead, be prepared, then react.See you at 2:00 PM!
 
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More and more, I read about people taking laptop computers to a live, in person draft. What are the practical uses for a laptop computer, if there is only a short time between picks? What purposes can you accomplish with a laptop that you cannot accomplish with a draftboard and a notepad?
I won't be using a laptop tomorrow.I use DD to prepare, though.If you're prepared and have done enough mock drafts, IMHO, there is no computer faster than the human brain.Same thing as chess. The best programs will never beat the best players at the highest levels.Think ahead, be prepared, then react.See you at 2:00 PM!
This is ridiculous. The DD does not do your thinking for you. It's like being able to take a test and use your books while everyone else can't. And there are plenty of computers faster than the human brain. Do you still use a slide rule?
 
If you did the research, you don't need a laptop. Don't be that guy.
Yes, I've commited to memory all of the strengths and weaknesses of all 200+ players likely to be drafted in my league. I'm THAT guy. :sarcasm:
 
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Man if I showed up to my league's draft with a computer I would be laughed out of the room. That might be taking things a bit too far.

 
More and more, I read about people taking laptop computers to a live, in person draft. What are the practical uses for a laptop computer, if there is only a short time between picks? What purposes can you accomplish with a laptop that you cannot accomplish with a draftboard and a notepad?
Same thing as chess. The best programs will never beat the best players at the highest levels.
Uuummmmmmmmmmmmmmm ... remember 1997? Does the name Deep Blue ring a bell? No? ... maybe Garry Kasparov? If not you may wanna read up a bit. It may change your mind about the laptop as well.http://researchweb.watson.ibm.com/deepblue/

PS: The machines are also getting better as we speak.

 
More and more, I read about people taking laptop computers to a live, in person draft. What are the practical uses for a laptop computer, if there is only a short time between picks? What purposes can you accomplish with a laptop that you cannot accomplish with a draftboard and a notepad?
Same thing as chess. The best programs will never beat the best players at the highest levels.
Uuummmmmmmmmmmmmmm ... remember 1997? Does the name Deep Blue ring a bell? No? ... maybe Garry Kasparov? If not you may wanna read up a bit. It may change your mind about the laptop as well.http://researchweb.watson.ibm.com/deepblue/

PS: The machines are also getting better as we speak.
Also, the human element using DD and a laptop isn't gone. Prior to draft day you enter your leagues scoring system, lineup rules and your projections. On draft day, DD will give you suggested picks, it won't draft for you. It's a helpful tool, nothing more. Follow it 100% at your own peril.
 
I won't be using a laptop tomorrow.I use DD to prepare, though.If you're prepared and have done enough mock drafts, IMHO, there is no computer faster than the human brain.Same thing as chess. The best programs will never beat the best players at the highest levels.Think ahead, be prepared, then react.See you at 2:00 PM!
Terrible post. In addition to being flat out wrong about the chess deal you're implying that you have to shut off your brain while using the DD.It's more like the greatest chess mind having a computer at his side to run any analysis he wants and even then it doesn't fully represent the benefit of DD.
 
In addition to DD, we hold our draft in a hotel conference room, so we have wireless access to the internet during the draft as well.Makes it great for a quick research on a player that may have fallen to you that you haven't had adequate time to look into (i.e. why is Westbrook falling to the 4th round?). I keep an internet page open to the FBG news page and also to Rotoworld to run quick searches on recent news for players that I might be thinking of drafting.
So you don't need a wireless connection to use DD?
 
I just completed my draft, and for the second year in a row I did not use a computer. I used to, but I found I was spending too much time entering, clicking, searching, etc that it took away from giving me time to think. I use DD and create spreadsheets. I also do a team roster, so I can track what other players have. Crossing names off of a list is just easier to me than entering data in a computer ad nauseum.. :loco:

 
First, don't bring a computer if

A. You cant type

B. You cant operate it efficiently

But, you are at a huge advantage if you can. With the DD, besides tweaking your projections to fit your league and your projections... it lets you track the draft so you can see where the teams drafting around you stand... it gives you more information quickly to help make your decision...

It also helps point out players late that have been overlooked...

But if you fumble around on the computer, it will hinder you...

 
I won't be using a laptop tomorrow.I use DD to prepare, though.If you're prepared and have done enough mock drafts, IMHO, there is no computer faster than the human brain.Same thing as chess. The best programs will never beat the best players at the highest levels.Think ahead, be prepared, then react.See you at 2:00 PM!
Terrible post. In addition to being flat out wrong about the chess deal you're implying that you have to shut off your brain while using the DD.It's more like the greatest chess mind having a computer at his side to run any analysis he wants and even then it doesn't fully represent the benefit of DD.
Maybe I should have re-worded my post.Computers do not think. They operate based on programs written by humans.Plenty of you guys feel you need it to do your best at the draft. Fine, but I don't.
 
So you don't need a wireless connection to use DD?
No you don't need a wireless connection to run DD. All of the information is stored on your hard drive. The only information that wouldn't be available during the draft without an internet connection is the FBG "Web Player Pages" link which takes you to the player's page on the FBG site.
 
Man if I showed up to my league's draft with a computer I would be laughed out of the room. That might be taking things a bit too far.
Last year I was laughed at when I walked into the room with a laptop as well. As a first year owner in the league, people were wondering what the heck was going on. Well, I was the one laughing when I dominated the league.This year.... 1/3 of the owners came to the draft with laptops. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
 
My main league has salaries, a cap, and contracts (kinda like an auction league, but salaries are based on the round the player is taken, and each year post-draft pre-season you can sign up to 4 players to 2 or 3 year contracts at that salary). So at each draft, people often pass on picks because the price is too high. I need my laptop because I have several potential salary cap strategies set up, so depending on who is available at each of my picks, I can have an excel sheet up to play with the different variables.

Plus its nice to be able to have the strength of schedule up for backups and such.

 
Man if I showed up to my league's draft with a computer I would be laughed out of the room.
No kidding. And plenty of pointdexter jokes would probably follow for a long time after that.
What purposes can you accomplish with a laptop that you cannot accomplish with a draftboard and a notepad?
Mostly to show how dweebed out you are on FF, or in general. If haven't figured out how much you do/don't want players by then, you should've prepared better. Just take a coin to flip. A lot easier to carry around and won't break if you drop it.
 
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Man if I showed up to my league's draft with a computer I would be laughed out of the room. That might be taking things a bit too far.
Same here. I don't begrudge anyone that uses a computer, but if I have to rely upon one rather than think on my feet as the draft progresses, I haven't done my homework properly.
 
I have used my laptop the last 3 years.

I could never go back to pen and paper..scratching names off, scratching the wrong names off.

By the 9-10th rd the guys around me are always trying to peek to see who is highest ranked players still left.

 
Man if I showed up to my league's draft with a computer I would be laughed out of the room. That might be taking things a bit too far.
Same here. I don't begrudge anyone that uses a computer, but if I have to rely upon one rather than think on my feet as the draft progresses, I haven't done my homework properly.
You guys have obviously never used the DD. It's not like you show up with it and it magically drafts a team for you while you pop Funions and guzzle Old Milwaukee. It's a number cruncher that helps you compare and contrast players, your opponents teams, and your draft strategy. You still have to pick your player and manage your draft strategy. It's no different than having cheatsheets and printouts, only they're in color and easier to access. Or do you just show up without anything but your mind? You have all the stats and rankings committed to memory and have no need of any reference material. Do you do your taxes without a calculator? No cell phone for you? If you have a big presentation at work do you still use an overhead projector and wipeaway markers? Cell phone too high tech ? Even if you don't use the DD, a laptop (not even connected to the internet) can hold pages of info that you can click to rather than shuffle 30 pieces of paper. Rankings, ADPs, news info. And connected to the internet you can learn valuable info like when you have the 4th pick and Portis goes down with a shoulder injury. Add in the DD (which has tons of space for player notes) and you're the most prepared guy in the room. Unless you're a Mentat and have stats for 300 players at instant access in your noodle. As for time, it takes about .7 seconds to click on a player's name to assign him to a team. A lot less time than it takes to write in a player's name as someone else picks him. It helps track which players go where, keeps you from "losing track" of a player, and gives you MORE time to make your decision because all the info is at your fingertips.

But you know what, go ahead and stay away from laptops and DD. The less of you out there using it the better. I mean just look at how good the cromags did when they laughed at the neanderthals using silly things like stone tools and the wheel.

 
Surprised at the number of people in the "if you use a computer, you can't think" camp.

DD is a dynamic information tool that enhances my ability to make good decisions based on what has happened during the draft to that point.

I applaud you for sticking with your single printed spreadsheet...the more people that show up at the draft with that, the more advantage I have over them.

I wonder, do your drafts stop at the half-way point to play a quick game of electonic football? Why break out the PS2/XBOX -- you already know which direction you are going to run...

 
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Thanks! Great feature.Now if I can only get the schedule entered in time for the 10 am draft tomorrow... ;)
This ends up being an issue for some folks because they have no idea what their schedule is while drafting. The complimentary player feature doesn't depend on it.That said, it's probably a good idea to let your commissioner know ahead of time that you would like your schedule. Even it you won't have it until your draft order is set it only takes a minute to enter it into the DD.

 
I took mine so that wouldn't have to print out spreadsheets, and I wouldn't have to flip though paper.

I made the whole crossing off guys that were selected already much tidier

 
But you know what, go ahead and stay away from laptops and DD. The less of you out there using it the better. I mean just look at how good the cromags did when they laughed at the neanderthals using silly things like stone tools and the wheel.
After my first draft three weeks ago (where I drafted from a cheatsheet only), I loaded each team into the DD to see the rankings after the fact. Since that time, projections have changed to make my team the strongest in the league. My point: You need your brain to stay ahead of the curve regardless of what tool you use. Most leagues start 8-10 players a week and have 10-12 teams, that's only a 120 or so players. Not too hard to know who the best ones are out of that group. As long as you draft the best picks each round, computer or not, you'll do well.Can you give a lousy FFer the DD and improve his team? Probably. But what if you are in a league and everyone uses DD? The best players will still come out on top. This isn't brain surgery. Whoever picks the best players (that stay healthy) will do well. But don't fool yourself into thinking DD makes that much of a difference if you are in a competitive league.
 
Those guys who are in the "keep on using paper so I can dominate you" side of things can save it. Many owners do very well using paper, mags, their brain, whatever. Why make it seem as if us paper users are somehow missing the boat? If it works for you, use it.

Personnally, I enjoy bringing my own handwritten cheatsheets and notes. If someone wants to use some sort of technology, though, who am I to judge?

 
Man if I showed up to my league's draft with a computer I would be laughed out of the room. That might be taking things a bit too far.
Last year I was laughed at when I walked into the room with a laptop as well. Well, I was the one laughing when I dominated the league.
Took mine to my draft last year -- a few guys gave me a hard time, so I said "When I win it all this year, how many guys will have laptops NEXT year?""So I won it and a couple guys had laptops this year. The bad part for them - they only had excel spreadsheets and not DD.
 
Man if I showed up to my league's draft with a computer I would be laughed out of the room. That might be taking things a bit too far.
Last year I was laughed at when I walked into the room with a laptop as well. Well, I was the one laughing when I dominated the league.
Took mine to my draft last year -- a few guys gave me a hard time, so I said "When I win it all this year, how many guys will have laptops NEXT year?""So I won it and a couple guys had laptops this year. The bad part for them - they only had excel spreadsheets and not DD.
CAN YOU GET THE DOMINATOR ON A MAC?!?!?!?!
 
Man if I showed up to my league's draft with a computer I would be laughed out of the room. That might be taking things a bit too far.
Last year I was laughed at when I walked into the room with a laptop as well. Well, I was the one laughing when I dominated the league.
Took mine to my draft last year -- a few guys gave me a hard time, so I said "When I win it all this year, how many guys will have laptops NEXT year?""So I won it and a couple guys had laptops this year. The bad part for them - they only had excel spreadsheets and not DD.
CAN YOU GET THE DOMINATOR ON A MAC?!?!?!?!
You bet. Runs great in Virtual PC (I do this), or if you have a new Intel Duo Core Mac it will run fine in Windows.
 
I don't care if someone brings a laptop or not. I personally use one and find it very simple to use and less time consuming than writing everything down on paper. Creating a cheatsheet on paper is no different than adjusting your own projections within DD. And of course those who actually use it will know that tracking the draft, rosters, team needs, etc., is incredibly easier than doing a live draft with pen and paper. I am not saying it will guarantee success, but to me it is a very nice tool to use.

I did hear from a couple of guys about it. They were the ones that had brought their fantasy magazines to the draft. Of course almost all of the owners wanted to check out their rosters and the other team's rosters on my laptop afterward. :thumbup:

To each their own. The only people I laugh at are the ones that do no preperation and purchase a magazine right before the draft. They usually finish near the bottom.

 
So you can look like you know what your doing.

Heck, having to scramble and think is half the fun in a live draft for me.

 
I haven't crossed over to using DD or bringing a laptop. Honestly, I haven't seen a ton of arguments in this thread that sell me either. Arguments for it have been things like "you don't have to shuffle through 30 pages of paper"? "Crossing off names with a pen, sometimes you cross off the wrong name"?

I go in with my VBD printout, a current depth chart, a current injury report and some ADP rankings customized for my leagues. I also have probably 45-50 mock drafts under my belt and I've read every FBG player spotlight and faceoff. I track (very easily) which teams have filled which position.

I guess I just don't see where I'm at a disadvantage. You should have more than plenty of time between picks to strategize....especially if you're pick 1, 2 or 11, 12.

 
I haven't crossed over to using DD or bringing a laptop. Honestly, I haven't seen a ton of arguments in this thread that sell me either. Arguments for it have been things like "you don't have to shuffle through 30 pages of paper"? "Crossing off names with a pen, sometimes you cross off the wrong name"?
I mentioned in this or another thread that with proper preparation (read: lots of mocks) I could probably replicate the use of DD with just the VBD cheatsheets. So I don't think you're necessarily missing out with your system. But...What I lose by doing that is:=time spent preparing=ability to easily find complimentary players (bye week fill-ins by SOS)=ability to easily take into account SOS and weekly weights (ie regular, divisional, and playoffs schedule)Probably a couple of other things I'm missing right now
 
Draft Dominator.....

.....and the intimidation factor that your drafting with the aid of a computer.

I have had one owner object once, claiming that the PC is the equivalent to card counting and it provides an unfair advantage. I countered with that it only does what I would/could do manually on paper - but it does it faster and easier as we move through hours of picks.

 
Prologue: The original poster brought his laptop to our draft yesterday, but did not use DD.

Our league is a bunch of FBG, and half of the guys used DD....but I wasn't one of them.

Two things happened:

1) Whenver I picked someone DD recommended, they were sure to let me know it.

2) Whenever someone with DD got confused in keeping track of who had been drafted, I was quick to refer to my spreadsheet to update them.

 

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