kimbosliced
Footballguy
Is Fitz still a WR1 going forward? Dodds has him ranked at 6, but the game summary from a few week ago noted Fitz as a "flex starter."
What gives?
What gives?
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Touchdown Syndrome
Footballguy
yes
The_Wolfman
Footballguy
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Polish Hammer
made of glass
I was wondering the same thing last week but got similar answers. I think Kolb can turn it around (and it sounds like during the bye they focused on timing in the passing game and specifically how they can get it to Fitz more). Before I read that, I traded him for Dalton and AJ Green (PPR, can start 2 QBs, and Dalton and Green have keeper value where Fitz has none). Just threw that in so people maybe can gauge current value.
The_Wolfman
Footballguy
When someone says WR1 to me I think "top 10 WRs". If you can name 10 WRs you'd rather have than Fitz, then so be it. Personally, I'd have trouble doing that so Fitz will always be a WR1 to me pretty much regardless of the QB situation and his current numbers.
FantasyTrader
Footballguy
It's very close, but I don't think he's a WR1. He's a better WR2, at least for a championship caliber team unless you're stacked at other positions. I'd rather have: Welker, CJ, Wallace, Steve Smith, Maclin, Nicks, Jennings and Austin for sure. Cases can also be made for Roddy, AJ, Bowe and Steve Johnson.
Pots
Footballguy
I can.WelkerWallaceCalvinSteve SmithJenningsNicksMiles AustinAndre JohnsonVincent JacksonStevie Johnson
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Am offering Dan Thomas to get him; doubt it will fly but I am guessing he finishes higher in the WR final point totals than where he is now.
The thing that gets me is how little Doucet and Roberts have developed, or Heap for that matter. Makes it tougher on Larry.
The thing that gets me is how little Doucet and Roberts have developed, or Heap for that matter. Makes it tougher on Larry.
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kimbosliced
Footballguy
I threw in basically my entire in bench to grab him--Mike Williams, Battle, Julio, Gronk, and Morris. Hope it's worth it. Really need a WR1.
rizzler
Footballguy
Tampa Mike?WTF.You didnt overpay, you got Ponzi'dGronk alone is more valuable at this point, and has a qb who put up as many tds in 1 game as Fitz's has all season.Wow man... I dont usually critique on trades, but that was a stinker.
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Max Power
Footballguy
He was drafted to be a WR#1, is performing like a WR#1, and might even be THE MOST consistent fantasy player in recent years.Why are we talking about this???
The_Wolfman
Footballguy
That's actually a pretty good list, but come on if someone offered you Fitzgerald for Stevie Johnson straight up you wouldn't take it? Agree to disagree I guess.
glumpy
breeze
Gronk's on your bench??!! Who are you playing? Agree with Wolfman above--I'd sure take Fitz over Johnson but that might be a personal bias.
morris4903
Footballguy
Good list. Would even add Dwayne Bowe.
solorca
Footballguy
As a Vincent Jackson owner, I would be thrilled to get a Jackson for Fitzgerald offer.
FantasyTrader
Footballguy
As a Fitz owner, so would I. Too bad we're not in the same league.
rizzler
Footballguy
??? vjax has more pts w/one less game played due to a byelogic?
packersfan
Footballguy
From a fantasy perspective, the only WRs I'd absolutely take over Fitz right now are:
Megatron
Andre Johnson
Jennings
Nicks
Welker
Wallace
Steve Smith
I think Fitz, Austin and VJax are on the same tier. I'd be happy with any of them as my WR1. Fitz's value in non-PPR leagues has taken a hit but for those in PPR formats he's still a WR1 in my opinion. Despite Kolb's struggles, Fitz is still on pace to either outperform his production last season or equal it when he was WR11 in many PPR formats. Last season he put up 90-1,137-6. This season, he's currently on pace for 86-1,366-6. His yard-per-game average is actually the fourth-highest of his career so it hasn't been completely bleak for him. What's hurting him most are the lack of touchdowns and the absence of a decent No. 2 WR to take some pressure off him. My hope is the Cardinals spent the bye week devising more creative and easier ways for Kolb to get the ball to Fitzgerald. We'll see if that was the case. As Fitzgerald owners we all need him to do more but I don't think he's been a bust by any means to this point.
Megatron
Andre Johnson
Jennings
Nicks
Welker
Wallace
Steve Smith
I think Fitz, Austin and VJax are on the same tier. I'd be happy with any of them as my WR1. Fitz's value in non-PPR leagues has taken a hit but for those in PPR formats he's still a WR1 in my opinion. Despite Kolb's struggles, Fitz is still on pace to either outperform his production last season or equal it when he was WR11 in many PPR formats. Last season he put up 90-1,137-6. This season, he's currently on pace for 86-1,366-6. His yard-per-game average is actually the fourth-highest of his career so it hasn't been completely bleak for him. What's hurting him most are the lack of touchdowns and the absence of a decent No. 2 WR to take some pressure off him. My hope is the Cardinals spent the bye week devising more creative and easier ways for Kolb to get the ball to Fitzgerald. We'll see if that was the case. As Fitzgerald owners we all need him to do more but I don't think he's been a bust by any means to this point.
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FF Wiseguy
Footballguy
I am doing this very deal this morning, although I am also sending MJD to get Frank Gore.
They've both had their bye and played the same number of games. Jackson has 4 more points in standard scoring, and they are the same in PPR.
You could make the case that both are bound to see their numbers improve, as both their QBs have been struggling out of the gate this year.
I think they are going to end the year very close. Fitzgerald is much more consistent from game to game, and I think that's what you look for from your WR1. That, combined with the fact that V-Jax is already battling multiple injuries, is why I give the slight edge to Fitzgerald. I don't think his season could get much worse, while injuries could bring Jackson much lower.
They've both had their bye and played the same number of games. Jackson has 4 more points in standard scoring, and they are the same in PPR.
You could make the case that both are bound to see their numbers improve, as both their QBs have been struggling out of the gate this year.
I think they are going to end the year very close. Fitzgerald is much more consistent from game to game, and I think that's what you look for from your WR1. That, combined with the fact that V-Jax is already battling multiple injuries, is why I give the slight edge to Fitzgerald. I don't think his season could get much worse, while injuries could bring Jackson much lower.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
I was already involved in a multi-player trade that had me shipping off VJax and getting Fitz in return. I have no problems with it still. History shows Fitz has a better chance of staying on the field and that he will get his fantasy points. I'm not concerned in the least and believe Fitz will have a great year.
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solorca
Footballguy
In my PPR, VJax had 41 points in one game, 20 in another, and has been below average in the other three. Fitzgerald has been much more consistent and I feel like he has less of a chance of disappearing in a game.The huge games are great with Jackson, but the 7 point games aren't.
golfguy
Footballguy
agree with this, and also given the fact that gates hasn't been playing and will only take a ton of targets away from jackson. i'd rather have fitz.
Clifford
Footballguy
He has better numbers than Roddy this season.This is probably owner bias here, but I think the Cards passing game turns a corner, and turns it this weekend. To explain the owner bias, I traded Romo/Lloyd for Mendy/Fitz, and picked up Kolb off the WW (2qb league). I have no reason to think that Kolb will be able to do anything this week, and that Fitz won't get shut down by Taylor, but I have that feeling regardless. No reason to think that at all, but I couldn't bring myself to drop Kolb for Painter all week.I think Fitz is good enough to produce against any DB in the league, and Kolb can be a good QB in this league as he proved last year. He still has a long way to go and they basically face a murderers row of pass defenses over the next five games: Pit, Bal, Stl (the lone easy one), Phi, and SFO. After that it gets much easier, but damn that is a tough run. Basically, if he can make out of this next run with decent stats he could be a monster the rest of the season.Here's a beat-writer piece on Kolbhttp://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/2011/10/17/20111017arizona-cardinals-kevin-kolb-fixing-problems.html
kimbosliced
Footballguy
Bal is not that good against the pass neither is SFO. Those are the ways you beat the two teams. Pit and Phi will be tough. But, from here on out, they will be throwing A LOT.
Clifford
Footballguy
Baltimore is actually ranked above Philly right now. Pit is #1, Baltimore #7, Philly #10, and SFO all the way down at #21. St louis is actually better than them at #15. I assumed given SFO's runaway success as a DST this year they were decent. Apparently not.
If they can keep Kolb somewhat upright against Pit I think he has a decent chance. I am hoping Pit jumps out to a huge lead and they play catchup.
Fitz I would not worry about. He still posted decent #s last year with the same line and way worse options at QB.
If they can keep Kolb somewhat upright against Pit I think he has a decent chance. I am hoping Pit jumps out to a huge lead and they play catchup.
Fitz I would not worry about. He still posted decent #s last year with the same line and way worse options at QB.
coachbobbyfinstock
Footballguy
He prob is a flex starter..In a 15 team league!Classic over-reaction imo. Just give them some time, Kolb and Fitz haven't been working together too long. I suspect a big week out of him vs Pitt.
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morris4903
Footballguy
I don't have access to Fitz's numbers, but he's been pedestrian against SF in his career. I can't he remember a game as a SF fan where he's killed us.
packersfan
Footballguy
Fitz has played 14 games against the Niners in his career and has put up 83-1,106-9. He's scored at least once against the Niners every year of his career. Pretty good numbers.
Inspiration
Footballguy
Fitzgerald's per game averages against SF (14 games): 5.9 receptions, 79 yards, .64 TDsFitzgerald's career per game averages: 5.7 receptions, 76.4 yards, .59 TDs
morris4903
Footballguy
Thanks for posting. Better than I thought. I'd be interested in his numbers since Willis arrived 2007. I feel like we've played him pretty well in recent years that could be clouding my judgement.
packersfan
Footballguy
2007: 12-176-22008: 11-77-22009: 8-93-12010: 15-162-1
morris4903
Footballguy
Thanks again. Yardage wise he's only had one 100 yard game in the past 3 years, and that was week 17 last year, useless for most fantasy people. But he's been consistent with TD's. Still better than expected.'packersfan said:
ponchsox
Footballguy
Did you include a jar of vasoline in that deal?
LawFitz
Footballguy
Fitz has top three blow up potential if they can ever get the QB situation figured out. If Kolb can get his head out of his #### for the the late season run, maybe this won't be another wasted season for Larry Fitz and his owners. As of now, he's under performing where most drafted him and no where near his ceiling as a player.
Fitz lines up outside every play. They bump him with their top corner every play with a safety over the top... every play. There isn't another receiver to draw coverage. Todd Heap is solid but isn't threatening anyone down the seam.
What's mystifying to me is how Fitz isn't scoring once a game down near the goal line when teams have no choice but to cover him one on one. There isn't a corner in the league that can win jump balls with Larry Fitz, so why isn't that their #1 option in the red zone? The Lions seem to have figured it out, Cardinals still haven't.
I do think Arizona will be competitive this week. I know the Steelers have been hot, running the ball effectively and shutting down the run. That may still be the case but Arizona plays better at home and they have too much talent on that team to go to 1-5. It may still happen but they'll be in that game. I like Larry Fitz to get his 90-100 yards and tally a score, perhaps two.
What's mystifying to me is how Fitz isn't scoring once a game down near the goal line when teams have no choice but to cover him one on one. There isn't a corner in the league that can win jump balls with Larry Fitz, so why isn't that their #1 option in the red zone? The Lions seem to have figured it out, Cardinals still haven't.
I do think Arizona will be competitive this week. I know the Steelers have been hot, running the ball effectively and shutting down the run. That may still be the case but Arizona plays better at home and they have too much talent on that team to go to 1-5. It may still happen but they'll be in that game. I like Larry Fitz to get his 90-100 yards and tally a score, perhaps two.
kutta
Footballguy
Fitz is really underperforming this year. We can all spin it however we want, but he just isn't putting up the points. In a non-PPR league, he is the 14th ranked WR at 10.9 per game. But he is 9 points per game out of the top spot, and 8 PPG out of the 2nd and 3rd spots. But he is just two points per game out of the 26th spot.
So he is much closer to the big group of average WR's near the bottom of being startable than he is to the top group of WR's.
I own Fitz in two leagues, and I am a huge Cards fan. I had very high hopes before the season started, and I still have high hopes. I think things will get turned around when Kolb gets a little more comfortable in the system. But I don't blame people for being down on him, or even questioning if he should be started at this point. He is not a must start right now, and until Kolb and the offense put things together, I suspect we will see more of the same from him.
So he is much closer to the big group of average WR's near the bottom of being startable than he is to the top group of WR's.
I own Fitz in two leagues, and I am a huge Cards fan. I had very high hopes before the season started, and I still have high hopes. I think things will get turned around when Kolb gets a little more comfortable in the system. But I don't blame people for being down on him, or even questioning if he should be started at this point. He is not a must start right now, and until Kolb and the offense put things together, I suspect we will see more of the same from him.
kutta
Footballguy
Because Beanie has been a goal-line beast this season. There is no reason to put the ball in the air when your back can run it in for much less risk.
thatguy
Footballguy
I love Fitz. Always have. I've had him on my dynasty team since his rookie year and would not part with him unless I was blown away by the offer (that is to say I'd probably turn down offers where I was the perceived winner in many cases and opt to hold onto Fitz instead). Sometimes we just end up owning players who we are enamored with, and for me that guy is Fitz. I love having him on my team--he's been a big part of several championship teams, and I expect to own him until he retires. In fantasy, at least for me, there is a thing called loyalty, and I'll be forever loyal to Fitz
It's a shame that he's had to work with some pretty iffy QB's over the course of his career--imagine if he and Warner began together, and he'd been getting balls from Warner for all these years, and for years to come. His career numbers, though already pace wise are among the best in history, would be off the charts.
I think that no matter what if he plays for 5-10 more years, he's a surefire HOF, However, if he'd been in a situation like a guy Wayne, and had not only a HOF QB tossing him the ball but also the luxury of being in the same system year after year, he'd be on pace to break records.
Regardless, I think when he finishes he'll be considered among the top WR's of all time, but in the right situation he'd be on pace to go down as one of the top 5 WR's of all time. He could still do this, but the deck at this point is stacked against him.
Anyway, I know that was a bit of hijack, but oh well... As for this season, I still think he's a top 12 WR with the upside for top 5, and that to me makes him a WR1.
It's a shame that he's had to work with some pretty iffy QB's over the course of his career--imagine if he and Warner began together, and he'd been getting balls from Warner for all these years, and for years to come. His career numbers, though already pace wise are among the best in history, would be off the charts.
I think that no matter what if he plays for 5-10 more years, he's a surefire HOF, However, if he'd been in a situation like a guy Wayne, and had not only a HOF QB tossing him the ball but also the luxury of being in the same system year after year, he'd be on pace to break records.
Regardless, I think when he finishes he'll be considered among the top WR's of all time, but in the right situation he'd be on pace to go down as one of the top 5 WR's of all time. He could still do this, but the deck at this point is stacked against him.
Anyway, I know that was a bit of hijack, but oh well... As for this season, I still think he's a top 12 WR with the upside for top 5, and that to me makes him a WR1.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Raise your hand if you sat him against the Eagles last week (when he blew up) and started him this week (when he's invisible).
thatguy
Footballguy
Raise your hand if you sat him against the Eagles last week (when he blew up) and started him this week (when he's invisible).
Oh Yes!
Footballguy
has AZ even had the ball?Raise your hand if you sat him against the Eagles last week (when he blew up) and started him this week (when he's invisible).
flapgreen
Footballguy
They stayed in the locker room. "What's the point?" they said.has AZ even had the ball?Raise your hand if you sat him against the Eagles last week (when he blew up) and started him this week (when he's invisible).
Oh Yes!
Footballguy
they move a slower in the south...They stayed in the locker room. "What's the point?" they said.has AZ even had the ball?Raise your hand if you sat him against the Eagles last week (when he blew up) and started him this week (when he's invisible).
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
What a frustrating situation. Such a supreme talent with such SLOP at the QB position.
The guy is a true pro though. He runs every route 100mph knowing full well it'll be a miracle if the ball is thrown to him accurately. I don't see how you trust this guy in your fantasy playoffs. We can only pray that Kolb will be better than he was before the injury.
The guy is a true pro though. He runs every route 100mph knowing full well it'll be a miracle if the ball is thrown to him accurately. I don't see how you trust this guy in your fantasy playoffs. We can only pray that Kolb will be better than he was before the injury.
Donsmith753
Footballguy
Agree, I only benched him once this year though, the Eagles game.
Wouldn't want to do that again.
Wouldn't want to do that again.
Tau837
Footballguy
Same here, missed the blowup game, got all the rest. Frustrating.
