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LMAO! Nice.
The Chiefs will have to trade him in order to move him. Johnson has over 5 mil guaranteed in both 2009 and 2010. They won't cut him.
such as??
I remember hearing something like this about 2 months ago as a possible trade deadline deal, back when KC was supposedly going to move LJ and Gonzo.I think LJ would gladly play for NE and would be a perfect fit just like Dillon was.
That sure is indicative of the Moss that has been on display since joining NE.
I don't know how well the off field issues will fly with the NE area. Roughing up women isn't likely to have the region reach out to embrace LJ if he were moved to NE. And the NE brass is very tuned into public perception. I'm not certain they'd take on the PR headache he would be ( or become )
Yeah, he should be the NFL's Man of the Year.That sure is indicative of the Moss that has been on display since joining NE.
nmYeah, he should be the NFL's Man of the Year.That sure is indicative of the Moss that has been on display since joining NE.
Daily. Why do you ask?Bitter much?Yeah, he should be the NFL's Man of the Year.That sure is indicative of the Moss that has been on display since joining NE.
dude, he's a raiders fan.Bitter much?Yeah, he should be the NFL's Man of the Year.That sure is indicative of the Moss that has been on display since joining NE.
Daily. Why do you ask?Bitter much?Yeah, he should be the NFL's Man of the Year.That sure is indicative of the Moss that has been on display since joining NE.
Solid answer.
I thought he was referring to when Maroney's teammates dumped a bunch of diapers in his locker in reference to him needing to grow up.The Pats have an extra #2 this year and I would not be surprised at all for them to send a 2 or 3 to KC for Johnson.nmYeah, he should be the NFL's Man of the Year.That sure is indicative of the Moss that has been on display since joining NE.
From an article by Jeffri Chadiha on ESPN.com a little over a week ago.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?id=3694547
I don't think age will be a factor as long as they think he still has gas left in the tank. The Pats are not afraid to go after players in the 30 year old age range as they have brought in Dillon, Moss, Rodney and Thomas (as well as trying to get John Lynch back when they got Rodney and offering Derrick Mason a deal when he signed with the Ravens) who were all right at that mark or older when they obtained them. As for LJ's interest in the Pats and willingness to take a pay cut like Dillon and Moss did it's anyone's guess. Yet, his current circumstances look similar to that of Moss and Dillon when the Pats obtained them. A player who's been very productive in the past who has already made some good money who's now underachieving and/or misbehaving as well as being in a very bad situation. If LJ's mindset is like Dillon and Moss he might be willing to take low money to come to a situation where he can potentially win a championship as well as regain his reputation and than get another quality contract.Obviously this is all pure speculation and there's not a shred of real information right now. Yet, from a big picture standpoint a move like this is very easy to see because the Pats have been able to make this exact type of move in the past.
Uh, I think it works the opposite.
The Chiefs benefit just as much from LJ looking like a stud down the stretch. What good does it do a team trying to get good value from a player to limit his carries? They're paying him big money, they're gonna play him. 19 carries last week in his first game back kind of sums it up.No one really "saw" the Pats trading for Moss or Dillon either honestly considering before those guys came along they had a reputation for being tight with their wallets and not wanting to fork over big contracts. Signing guys like Moss and Dillon kind of went against the grain there.I don't think the money would be the big obstacle to signing LJ honestly.......they can afford it and if they want him bad enough, they'll pay up.
I agree 100%. NE is a destination for good players tired of being on a losing team and are willing to take a pay cut to be in a winning organization. I don't get the feeling that LJ cares about the losing nearly as much as wanting to carry the ball 100% of the time. And NE has been a RBBC team for some time now and I don't see them changing that even with LJ. Bottom line, not a good fit for either LJ or NE, but stranger things have happened.
It would be impossible for me to disagree with this more...all you have to look at is Dillon's stats in 2004 to see why. Whether it's Dillon running in 2004 or Moss catching te ball last year (I remember many saying the Pats apread the ball around too much in the passing game for Moss to blow up) BB has shown that if if has a stud he will get the ball in his hands a ton.
People keep saying it's "not a good fit" because LJ needs lot of carries, NEhas been RBBC and so on. Everything with NE is a matter of circumstance depending on the players they have. RBBC is often dictated by the talent and situation with individual players. Once Moss came there they were no longer a WRBC were they? Dillon was the man when healthy for the Pats.LJ's only been on ONE team his entire career and people are assuming he wouldn't be a "good fit" That doesn;t give Belicheck a lot of credit does it?? BB would MAKE it a GOOD FIT just like he did with Moss and with Dillon. Yes folks, he really is that good of a coach.Dillon was the only quality RB on the roster in 2004. Once Maroney was drafted it was RBBC which tells me NE will not just give the ball to LJ every down when they have seen they have a talented rookie on the roster in Green-Ellis. I would expect a 60-40 split in favor of LJ if he were on the team next year.Again, not the kind of situation it would appear LJ favors, and we know he's all about the benjamins so I don't see how he'd agree to go from $5 mill to $2mill or less next year. And no way KC just cuts him, although I'd like to hear more about his contract details around a conduct clause.
Lame attempt at humor. Not even in the right context.
Maroney was drafted when Dillon started to decline. The two times the Pats have had a high quality RB (Dillon in 2004 and Antowain in 2001) they have treated them as a legit #1. They even treated Dillon like a legit #1 in 2005 which was the year he began to decline which is why they drafted Maroney in 2006. When they haven't had a legit #1 they have gone RBBC. BB is is not afraid to do either and the talent dictates what he does not the philosophy. If a RB like LJ were brought into the fold and he showed he could play like he did a few years back I can guarantee you they would treat him as a workhorse. This type of discussuion was the same going on before last season with Moss. Many thought the Pats would never have a big time #1 WR because they spread the ball around too much. Yet, Moss had an historical year. The bottomline is BB is a chameleon and he will change what he does based on his talent. If a big time RB ends up on the Patriot roster next season I fully expect him to get the majority of the workload. If that type of RB doesn't show up than it will be RBBC.
Great point. Whether or not he ends up a Patriot is tough to say, maybe Clayton's just throwing darts. ESPN guys have been known to do that......BUT if LJ ends up a Patriot as a football fan if they had a healthy Brady back along with LJ, WOW! As a fantasy football fan, I see him as a Top 15 RB, but not worthy of a high first round pick simply because of the balance they would have on offense.
The Pats had talked about trying to get Randy Moss for a full year before they actually traded for him. That one should not have surprised many people (although the timing of it sort of did). Dillon was bit surprising in that he slipped under the Patriots radar, but the Bengals were actively shopping him so it again was not a total shock.The money WOULD be an issue, as the Pats don't have a lot of cap space and have a lot of players with contracts up, almost up, or guys that need extensions.Guys with contracts up in 2009:Richard Seymour, Mike Vrabel, Jarvis Green, Kevin Faulk, Stephen Neal, Vince Wilfork, Ellis Hobbs, Logan Mankins, Nick Kaczur, Ben Watson,GUys with contracts up in 2010:Tom Brady, Randy Moss, Matt LightThey are about $4 million under the cap currently (they normally leave a rainy day emergency fund). They appear to have a lot of contracts to work out (or need to decide who they will let walk). I'm not sure adding LJ AT HIS CURRENT CONTRACT makes much sense.
Glad a few people in here have some common sense. If anything has been proven over the years it is that BB will alter his team strategy to the players around him. All great coaches do. None do it better than BB IMO. If, and it's a big IF, LJ should end up in NE next year there is an extremely low chance of RBBC if you ask me. LJ is vastly more talented than anyone else on the NE roster right now. How quickly we forget all the people who said Moss wouldn't thrive in NE because "they like to spread the ball around." When an elite talent arrives, game plans change.As a guy who recently traded for LJ a few weeks back seeing him as a buy low I really hope this happens. As a realist I'm not so sure. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility and honestly I traded for LJ because I'm a firm believer that he will be playing somewhere other than KC next year. I just don't know if NE will be that location.
This was all I needed to read. Thanks David.The rest of you can continue to speculate away.
I agree with some of this and disagree with some of this. Yes, I think the Pats will look at each individual team they have and game plan accordingly to figure out their best chance to win.IMO, the Pats have bigger issues than worrying about adding a high priced RB. Their secondary needs a lot of help, they still need a replacement for Bruschi, key guys on their OL and DL could walk after next year, and they need a TE. They are also going to have to rework Brady's deal as well. So I don't see them shipping off many draft picks unless they find a long term solution as a position. With Johnson, they probably would get two years out of him before they found themselves right back where they are now (aging RB corps with a guy that hasn't done much).From what I have heard, the Pats likely will not look to make a splash at RB either in the draft or free agency unless someone falls in their laps for not a lot of money. They may make some inquiries and have some talks with free agents, but they are not expected to make a major move (at least that's the story I've been told.)Despite what we fantasy footballers may think, even though the Pats leading rusher is Sammy Morris with only 321 rushing yards, the Pats rank 5th in rushing attempts, 8th in rushing yards, and 7th in rushing TD. Their team ypc average is almost always lower than their other rankings, and this year is no different (15th). For a RBBC approach, those still are very good team rushing numbers. (We can debate what those numbers would be had Brady stayed healthy, but even then the Pats likely would not be as concerned about their RBs if they were pass happy.)
Good stuff here.DY, who would you predict does NOT stay in 2009?
As far as guys not staying PAST 2009 . . .I can see them trying to play hardball with Seymour, so he would be a candidate to go elsewhere. Vrabel is also getting up there age wise so he may just retire or be asked to take a Seau or Bruschi like cheap one year deal. Faulk will proabably retire. I can't see them shelling out big money for Watson given his inability to stay healthy, so I would guess he will be gone as well.
IMO the Pats #1 need is to upgrade their pass rush (followed by their secondary). If you look at some of their recent loses in big games (Indy and the Giants in the playoffs and the Jets last week as examples) their inability to get to the QB in urgent situations is killing them. They're basically a sack away from winning the past two Super Bowls. I'd love to see Vrabel move inside (I've felt that way for a couple of years now) with Mayo and get another big time pass rushing threat on the outside. That would solve a ton of issues as well as easing the pressure on the secondary.
