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Larry Johnson > Priest (1 Viewer)

This isn't about the preseason.900 yds, 11 tds, in 6 games. That's how LJ ended the year. More TDs then Edge, Duece, JJ, Dunn, Green, Barlow, TJ, Duckett. And he did this is less games then all those guys.People love to go on about RBs hitting the wall. Tiki, Dillon, CMart. Except Holmes seemingly isn't ever going to hit the wall. He's 32 years old. I don't think he'll suddently suck, but it wouldn't be a surprise to see him lose a step.And I'm 32 with 0 touches in the NFL, and I've lost a step. Less carries doen't reverse the aging process. But back to the point.Holmes won't be benched. He might be "saved for the playoffs". Which is a nice way of saying they're going to split carries. LJ won't be getting 3-4 carries a game. It's going to be more along the lines of 8-12. And now the next question is, will Holmes be cut if Vermeil leaves? Between LJ and a 33 year old Holmes, I'd probably go with LJ in 2006. Which means in keeper drafts, it's probably a good time to go trade for LJ.

 
I'm not a conspiracy theorist normally, but I'm starting to think posts like this one are just attempts by non-Priest owners to jack up LJ's ADP prior to their drafts.

I'm half kidding about that (I think)...    :tinfoilhat:

For anyone who didn't see the game, but still insist on posting that LJ should start ahead of a potential HOF runningback:

1) Seahawks had their backup defensive lineman in on the play, and

2) The hole was so HUGE that LJ didn't even have to cut before heading to the end zone.  Safe to say that quite a few NFL runningbacks could have gotten the same result there.

So, while I'll admit that LJ has looked good, lets not put Priest out to pasture quite yet.
I know a bunch of starting RBs who would have been run down. LJ pretty much ran away from 2 DBs. And it wasn't just one run. 9 carries for 147 yds. 900 yds 11 TDs in final 6 games of the REGULAR season. This thread isn't about the preseason, or tonights game. It's how fast is LJ going to overtake Holmes. Holmes is 32. It's not a question of if LJ will take over, it's when. And by the way things are looking, I don't see how Holmes will be starting in 2006. But I agree Holmes won't get replaced in 05. LJ might cut into his numbers by 20-30%. But the issue is if the Chiefs lock up a playoff spot, or are out of the playoffs, it's going to be LJ starting. And that just happens to be during the FF playoffs. They'll spin it as Holmes "resting, saving it, avoiding injury". But it's more like giving experience to the future RB.

 
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This isn't about the preseason.

900 yds, 11 tds, in 6 games. That's how LJ ended the year. More TDs then Edge, Duece, JJ, Dunn, Green, Barlow, TJ, Duckett. And he did this is less games then all those guys.

People love to go on about RBs hitting the wall. Tiki, Dillon, CMart. Except Holmes seemingly isn't ever going to hit the wall. He's 32 years old. I don't think he'll suddently suck, but it wouldn't be a surprise to see him lose a step.

And I'm 32 with 0 touches in the NFL, and I've lost a step. Less carries doen't reverse the aging process.

But back to the point.

Holmes won't be benched. He might be "saved for the playoffs". Which is a nice way of saying they're going to split carries. LJ won't be getting 3-4 carries a game. It's going to be more along the lines of 8-12.

And now the next question is, will Holmes be cut if Vermeil leaves? Between LJ and a 33 year old Holmes, I'd probably go with LJ in 2006. Which means in keeper drafts, it's probably a good time to go trade for LJ.
If we're talking performance, then I guess this would be the time to bring up the fact that Priest was leading the ENTIRE LEAGUE in yards AND scoring through week 8 last year:1,079 total yds, 15 TDs

You're right...it's not about PRESEASON toofunny. It never is. :D

 
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Ron Dayne scored a 79 yard touchdown last preseason!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hear he's going to the HOF
Wait you mean the preaseason isn't the same as the regular season??Someone should tell a few of these guys.

 
If we're talking performance, then I guess this would be the time to bring up the fact that Priest was leading the ENTIRE LEAGUE in yards AND scoring through week 8 last year:1,079 total yds, 15 TDsYou're right...it's not about PRESEASON toofunny. It never is. :D
News flash, Holmes is 32. LJ was drafted to replace him. It will happen. It's just a matter of when. And he was leading the league week 8? Then what happened? Old RB got hurt? Damn. I guess we should ignore his age and the fact he's injury prone.
 
I just had my 10 Team Keeper (only 28 playes kept total) draft last weekend. I decided to take Priest at 1.03 and not look back if someone took LJ in early rds (5-6) because I sure wasn't going to do it. We only have a couple of sharks with the remainder of owners being well versed in FF skills, along with two guppies. I just made sure to pick 3 of my first 5 picks as RB's and a top WR (C. Johnson) in case Priest were to go down. Much to my surprise, no team was willing to gamble taking a back that may or may not be the primary back this year unless injury. I picked up LJ later in the 8th round. They could have been scared of taking the commissioners handcuff or they just showed good sportsmanship in not taking another teams #1RB backup. Because then the war would be on. :boxing:

 
If we're talking performance, then I guess this would be the time to bring up the fact that Priest was leading the ENTIRE LEAGUE in yards AND scoring through week 8 last year:

1,079 total yds, 15 TDs

You're right...it's not about PRESEASON toofunny. It never is. :D
News flash, Holmes is 32. LJ was drafted to replace him. It will happen. It's just a matter of when. And he was leading the league week 8? Then what happened? Old RB got hurt? Damn. I guess we should ignore his age and the fact he's injury prone.
Yes, I agree. But, not after the season in which the guy was leading the entire league in yards from scrimmage before he got hurt - unless the injury is career threatening, which this one obviously isn't. And predicting that any NFL player will eventually be replaced by a younger up-and-coming stud is the crystal ball equivalent of saying that water is wet. :thumbdown:

 
If we're talking performance, then I guess this would be the time to bring up the fact that Priest was leading the ENTIRE LEAGUE in yards AND scoring through week 8 last year:

1,079 total yds, 15 TDs

You're right...it's not about PRESEASON toofunny. It never is. :D
News flash, Holmes is 32. LJ was drafted to replace him. It will happen. It's just a matter of when. And he was leading the league week 8? Then what happened? Old RB got hurt? Damn. I guess we should ignore his age and the fact he's injury prone.
Yes, I agree. But, not after the season in which the guy was leading the entire league in yards from scrimmage before he got hurt - unless the injury is career threatening, which this one obviously isn't. And predicting that any NFL player will eventually be replaced by a younger up-and-coming stud is the crystal ball equivalent of saying that water is wet. :thumbdown:
Right, it's 100% accurate. Priest Holmes will eventually be replaced by a younger player. That time is (should be) now and LJ is that player. Priest has been awesome in the past, and may be awesome again this year. That being said, it's still very plausible, and in my opinion probable, that LJ is better than Priest.The important aspect of this discussion/debate is to remember to focus on the present and not the past. What Priest Holmes has done in the past is not relevant to wether or not he is better than LJ in the present.

 
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I love this silly talk about LJ taking Priest's job. I have been able to get Priest in just about every money league I'm in, and I've picked 1.3, 1.4, and 1.5. I have followed up with LJ in the 6th in every league.Priest would be far and away the number 1 pick this year if he was healthy all last year.

 
I love this silly talk about LJ taking Priest's job. I have been able to get Priest in just about every money league I'm in, and I've picked 1.3, 1.4, and 1.5. I have followed up with LJ in the 6th in every league.

Priest would be far and away the number 1 pick this year if he was healthy all last year.
If the talk of LJ taking Priests job is so silly, what prompted you to draft LJ? Did you draft the backup to the rest of your players as well?
 
I love this silly talk about LJ taking Priest's job. I have been able to get Priest in just about every money league I'm in, and I've picked 1.3, 1.4, and 1.5. I have followed up with LJ in the 6th in every league.

Priest would be far and away the number 1 pick this year if he was healthy all last year.
If the talk of LJ taking Priests job is so silly, what prompted you to draft LJ? Did you draft the backup to the rest of your players as well?
I am not sure he was worried about LJ taking Priests job or having the security with the best backup in the game. Priest obviously isn't the model of stability as shown the last 2 years. You would be a foo if you didn't try to handcuff him.. I told the guy in my leeper league where you keep 5 if you don't grab LJ in the 1st you won't get him.. He took Shockey. Well I took him in the 2nd.. :) He was like your so afraid of my team you had to take LJ? I said no I want a stud RB next year.. :D
 
Well let me ask you guys this then. I draft #5 in a 10 team keeper league. I've been told that Priest is going to fall to me at #5. Would you all draft him there if you had no chance to keep Larry Johnson (being kept by another owner for a very low draft pick)? I'd appreciate the insight.

 
Someone needs to dredge up the L Johnson threads from one year ago at this time.I distinctly recall something about diapers & Johnson sucking....

 
Well let me ask you guys this then. I draft #5 in a 10 team keeper league. I've been told that Priest is going to fall to me at #5. Would you all draft him there if you had no chance to keep Larry Johnson (being kept by another owner for a very low draft pick)? I'd appreciate the insight.
In a keeper league, I'd draft LJ before Priest straight up, without question. I'd be more likely to draft LJ at #5 than Priest.
 
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I love this silly talk about LJ taking Priest's job. I have been able to get Priest in just about every money league I'm in, and I've picked 1.3, 1.4, and 1.5. I have followed up with LJ in the 6th in every league.

Priest would be far and away the number 1 pick this year if he was healthy all last year.
If the talk of LJ taking Priests job is so silly, what prompted you to draft LJ? Did you draft the backup to the rest of your players as well?
I want to wrap up the KC run game for the year. A lot of folks are hypothesizing that LJ will take Priest's job even if Priest is healthy. If there was not a concern about Priest's health, I would not have taken LJ, except maybe very late.I just love that Priest is falling to me at 5 in some of my drafts. Keep the LJ talk going. :thumbup:

 
This Priest Holmes put up the biggest seasons in fantasy history. Your going to write him off after seeing LJ perform well in PRESEASON.
So did Jerry Rice. However, that won't garner him much for this year. It's not what have you done...it's what have you done for me lately.P.S. I agree though, preseason means nothing more than getting some timing against other oppents and Priest should be given the benefit of the doubt. However, if Priest looks anything less than stellar in the first couple of weeks, I wonder how much work LJ will start to get.
If thats really your team in your sig....there is something wrong with your league...im not even sure how it would be fun to play with a team that stacked.
 
I play in a total points league(non-keeper), where we start "3 RB'S" per week, 12 teams. I have the 2nd pick, and will be taking Holmes. I will have 3 RB's by the 4th round at the latest, will probably go RB,RB,RB. None of those RB's will be L.J, cause I need starters. I will also have 2 WR'S in the first 5 rounds. If LJ is there after 32+ RB'S are off the board, I may take him. If not oh well. I think he will go a little later in this type of draft, because a team needes 3 RB's they think will be there every week. If you take LJ in the 5th - 6th round, that would be 4 RB'S out of 5 or 6 picks. I think Priest is a better pick in a total points league, because you can't lose the league, by missing your top player for the last few weeks, if he has already gotten you a ton of points. I'm rolling the dice and waitng on LJ, I think Priest will put up enough TOTAL points to warrant the 2nd pick in a PPR scoring system.

 
Ron Dayne scored a 79 yard touchdown last preseason!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hear he's going to the HOF
Wait you mean the preaseason isn't the same as the regular season??Someone should tell a few of these guys.
WHAT GUYS?.....OH YOU MEAN THE BACKUPS THAT PLAY 90% OF THE GAMES........starters are trying to get through pre-season healthy, backups are trying to unseat starters and gain roster spots....different game for both.
 
I play in a total points league(non-keeper), where we start "3 RB'S" per week, 12 teams. I have the 2nd pick, and will be taking Holmes. I will have 3 RB's by the 4th round at the latest, will probably go RB,RB,RB. None of those RB's will be L.J, cause I need starters. I will also have 2 WR'S in the first 5 rounds. If LJ is there after 32+ RB'S are off the board, I may take him. If not oh well. I think he will go a little later in this type of draft, because a team needes 3 RB's they think will be there every week. If you take LJ in the 5th - 6th round, that would be 4 RB'S out of 5 or 6 picks. I think Priest is a better pick in a total points league, because you can't lose the league, by missing your top player for the last few weeks, if he has already gotten you a ton of points. I'm rolling the dice and waitng on LJ, I think Priest will put up enough TOTAL points to warrant the 2nd pick in a PPR scoring system.
Tell us how that works out, but IMHO LJ will be gone long before the #32 starting RB is. Someone will take the chance that Priest gets hurt, thus giving them a top 5 RB for the price of a #20. Play it safe, or play to win?
 
If thats really your team in your sig....there is something wrong with your league...im not even sure how it would be fun to play with a team that stacked.
It's taken me 4 years to build that team...and it's fun going to the bank to cash the Championship check. Oh and it is real, I added a link to the league.
 
I play in a total points league(non-keeper), where we start "3 RB'S" per week, 12 teams.  I have the 2nd pick, and will be taking Holmes.  I will have 3 RB's by the 4th round at the latest, will probably go RB,RB,RB.  None of those RB's will be L.J, cause I need starters.  I will also have 2 WR'S in the first 5 rounds.  If LJ is there after 32+ RB'S are off the board, I may take him.  If not oh well.  I think he will go a little later in this type of draft, because a team needes 3 RB's they think will be there every week.  If you take LJ in the 5th - 6th round, that would be 4 RB'S out of 5 or 6 picks.  I think Priest is a better pick in a total points league, because you can't lose the league, by missing your top player for the last few weeks, if he has already gotten you a ton of points.  I'm rolling the dice and waitng on LJ, I think Priest will put up enough TOTAL points to warrant the 2nd pick in a PPR scoring system.
Tell us how that works out, but IMHO LJ will be gone long before the #32 starting RB is. Someone will take the chance that Priest gets hurt, thus giving them a top 5 RB for the price of a #20. Play it safe, or play to win?
I should of also added that we start "2 QB'S", 3 WR'S, TE, K, so there are plenty of other roster spots to fill. That is why I said earlier, in this type of set-up, it is hard to use 4 of your first 5 - 6 picks on RB'S. Unless you take LJ as your #3 RB, planning on starting him every week hoping for RBBC in KC, or an early Holmes injury. After 6 rounds, if you already have 4 RB's and 2 total QB or WR, and still have 3 QB/WR spots to fill, you may be in trouble. You can't get a good QB as late, like in 1 QB leagues. It's a lot different then starting 1 QB and 2 RB.
 
I have to agree that LJ has looked good all preseason.  But people are getting a little too lathered up over one run where the guy didn't have to make a single cut or break one tackle.
This isn't about just one run:2004

Week 13 - 174 total yards - 2 TDs

Week 14 - 123 - 2

Week 15 - 151 - 2

Week 16 - 122 - 2

Week 17 - 161 - 2

How can Vermeil kep him off the field?
Yeah those numbers were alot better than what Priest put up in the weeks before he got hurt. Attempsts, rushing yards only and TDs

26 151 3

16 066 1

32 134 0

33 125 2 *against the Ravens defense.

19 075 0

22 139 4

32 143 3

 
The KC RB corps should be good for close to 500 fantasy points just like last year (which was slightly better than the 2 years prior).Last year Blaylock and LJ backed up Holmes. This year there's LJ and . . . Dee Brown? So it's likely Holmes and LJ will get the ball the huge majority of the time.Take that pie and divide it however you want. If it's 50/50, each would get close to 250 fantasy points. For those of you scoring at home (or even if you're not), that would make BOTH Holmes and Johnson Top 8 RB.If you give Holmes 70% of the work, that would give him 350 points (#1) while Johnson would get 150 (about #25).If you give Holmes 60%, that would give him 300 points (Top 3) while Johnson got 200 (Top 12).

 
The KC RB corps should be good for close to 500 fantasy points just like last year (which was slightly better than the 2 years prior).

Last year Blaylock and LJ backed up Holmes. This year there's LJ and . . . Dee Brown? So it's likely Holmes and LJ will get the ball the huge majority of the time.

Take that pie and divide it however you want. If it's 50/50, each would get close to 250 fantasy points. For those of you scoring at home (or even if you're not), that would make BOTH Holmes and Johnson Top 8 RB.

If you give Holmes 70% of the work, that would give him 350 points (#1) while Johnson would get 150 (about #25).

If you give Holmes 60%, that would give him 300 points (Top 3) while Johnson got 200 (Top 12).
:goodposting:
 
If you own both as I do. What are the chances you will start both of them at the same time?I think pretty good. Especially if you went heavy on the WR and you are weak at RB. Priest and LJ combo should be the equal to two starting RBs.

 
The KC RB corps should be good for close to 500 fantasy points just like last year (which was slightly better than the 2 years prior).

Last year Blaylock and LJ backed up Holmes. This year there's LJ and . . . Dee Brown? So it's likely Holmes and LJ will get the ball the huge majority of the time.

Take that pie and divide it however you want. If it's 50/50, each would get close to 250 fantasy points. For those of you scoring at home (or even if you're not), that would make BOTH Holmes and Johnson Top 8 RB.

If you give Holmes 70% of the work, that would give him 350 points (#1) while Johnson would get 150 (about #25).

If you give Holmes 60%, that would give him 300 points (Top 3) while Johnson got 200 (Top 12).
:goodposting: Precisely why I have taken LJ as early as the 2nd round in dynasty drafts this year. At a minimum he is a borderline RB2/RB3. Best case scenario Priest is sitting on the bench during the fantasy playoffs and I have a super stud.

 
The only way Priest is not the starter THIS year is if he's injured, period. I own LJ, and while he is the future, Priest is without question the man in KC. If you polled the players and coaches of the Chiefs, I bet it would be unanimous. Has Vermiel said anything other than "we will find a way to get both on the field"? NOTHING about LJ potentially replacing Priest as the starter. Won't happen. LJ is not happy about his situation, but his time will come.

 
I have to agree that LJ has looked good all preseason.  But people are getting a little too lathered up over one run where the guy didn't have to make a single cut or break one tackle.
This isn't about just one run:2004

Week 13 - 174 total yards - 2 TDs

Week 14 - 123 - 2

Week 15 - 151 - 2

Week 16 - 122 - 2

Week 17 - 161 - 2

How can Vermeil kep him off the field?
Yeah those numbers were alot better than what Priest put up in the weeks before he got hurt. Attempsts, rushing yards only and TDs

26 151 3

16 066 1

32 134 0

33 125 2 *against the Ravens defense.

19 075 0

22 139 4

32 143 3
Uhh, key words being "before he got hurt". He's 32. Injury prone. And his replacement is kicking butt. Good luck with that.

 
I took a huge gamble in one of my drafts last week, I took LJ instead of Mike Anderson in the 7th round of a 12 team redraft league. I do not have Priest. We'll see ??

 
I took LJ in the FESL league (4th round) and in a new dynasty league in the 3rd. To add to the insanity, I traded the 1.08 and TO for the 1.14 and LJ in a keep 10 league (16 teams, 16 person rosters). Johnson had better YPC, YPR and TD/Touches numbers then Holmes last year in virtually the same amount of time played. I have no illusuion that he'll be starting in KC this year, but let's not dismiss him when compared to Holmes without looking at the situation completely. Is he better then Holmes? THat remains to be seen. But based on what he's been able to do so far in regular season and preseason, he looks REALLY REALLY close...Colin

 
I don't know why not. Priest has the best job in the NFL, IMO he's an average RB skill wise but runs behind the best line and in one of the best offenses over the last few years. He lost his job once.
I took LJ in the FESL league (4th round) and in a new dynasty league in the 3rd. To add to the insanity, I traded the 1.08 and TO for the 1.14 and LJ in a keep 10 league (16 teams, 16 person rosters).

Johnson had better YPC, YPR and TD/Touches numbers then Holmes last year in virtually the same amount of time played. I have no illusuion that he'll be starting in KC this year, but let's not dismiss him when compared to Holmes without looking at the situation completely. Is he better then Holmes? THat remains to be seen. But based on what he's been able to do so far in regular season and preseason, he looks REALLY REALLY close...

Colin
 
My feeling is that most of you are on CRACK

Albeit, Priest has had his share of injury problems and durability is a question mark, so is his ability to hit the homerun, but these stats people are claiming propels LJ above Priest make absolutely no sense.

How is it, Priest is overrated becasue of KC's line but LJ can be considered a more talented back. Don't they run behind the same line? Didn't Blaylock score 4td's in a half too? Didnt LJ beat up on the weakest defenses in the league on a team with no playoff aspirations? Den, Ten, Oak(twice) is not the most stellar defensive schedule. But the 10 carries for 21 yards against tampa and 17 carries for 40 something yards against San Diego may demonstrate that LJ has a ways to go.

Priest has been one of the most productive backs in the last 5 years. He was "replaced" by Jamal Lewis on a team that wanted a power rushing attack and Ricky WIlliams was the best colege rb ever so Priest kind of had the short end of the stick at Texas. But once Priest had an offense built around him he became basically unstoppable. I'd love to see LJ score 27 td's and catch 70 balls, while teams game plan FOR HIM the entire season.

LJ is a talented player and probowl ability, but to put him in the same class as Priest, at this moment in time, is ludicrous. A couple of years ago an opposing defensive coordinator explained what made Priest the best back in football. He said that having 1 one of these 3 characteristics makes a running back a good player: deceptive speed, balance and vision. He went on to say that Priest is the only back to be excetional at all 3.

 
I didn't say he's better; I said it's close. THe only comparison that can be made is by looking at their game stats. Last season, mathematically, LJ was better on a per touch basis then Holmes. THat's just simple math proving a simple point.Colin

 
But how can you not look at the defenses that were faced, or other circumstances? NFL stats are not laws in physics or proven science, there are countless examples and no point to divulge into them. I remember how fantastic Trung Canidate and Troy Hambrick were in spot starts and now they are flippin burgers. :hophead:

 
My feeling is that most of you are on CRACK

Albeit, Priest has had his share of injury problems and durability is a question mark, so is his ability to hit the homerun, but these stats people are claiming propels LJ above Priest make absolutely no sense.

How is it, Priest is overrated becasue of KC's line but LJ can be considered a more talented back. Don't they run behind the same line? Didn't Blaylock score 4td's in a half too? Didnt LJ beat up on the weakest defenses in the league on a team with no playoff aspirations? Den, Ten, Oak(twice) is not the most stellar defensive schedule. But the 10 carries for 21 yards against tampa and 17 carries for 40 something yards against San Diego may demonstrate that LJ has a ways to go.

Priest has been one of the most productive backs in the last 5 years. He was "replaced" by Jamal Lewis on a team that wanted a power rushing attack and Ricky WIlliams was the best colege rb ever so Priest kind of had the short end of the stick at Texas. But once Priest had an offense built around him he became basically unstoppable. I'd love to see LJ score 27 td's and catch 70 balls, while teams game plan FOR HIM the entire season.

LJ is a talented player and probowl ability, but to put him in the same class as Priest, at this moment in time, is ludicrous. A couple of years ago an opposing defensive coordinator explained what made Priest the best back in football. He said that having 1 one of these 3 characteristics makes a running back a good player: deceptive speed, balance and vision. He went on to say that Priest is the only back to be excetional at all 3.
Good points, but what if the Padre has lost a step. Certainly it's possible at his age. Happened to Faulk.
 
The Priest/ LJ "who's better" debate cannot revolve around stats. There simply aren't enough LJ stats to compare the two. Over the last year LJ clearly seems to be able to do everything Priest can do and more, LJ has the ability to break the long TD run. Based on what you've seen LJ do when given the opportunity, what does Priest do better?

 
But how can you not look at the defenses that were faced, or other circumstances? NFL stats are not laws in physics or proven science, there are countless examples and no point to divulge into them.

I remember how fantastic Trung Canidate and Troy Hambrick were in spot starts and now they are flippin burgers. :hophead:
Priest=OLD.. LJ=Young. Tell me which side the pendulum swings? LJ getting better all the time and Priest WAS the dominating RB. Still shows flashes of that but his age and injury factor can't be ignored. I can't see him last all year without being injured. If you are a Priest owner without LJ I would be very nervous.
 
But how can you not look at the defenses that were faced, or other circumstances? NFL stats are not laws in physics or proven science, there are countless examples and no point to divulge into them. 

I remember how fantastic Trung Canidate and Troy Hambrick were in spot starts and now they are flippin burgers.  :hophead:
Priest=OLD.. LJ=Young. Tell me which side the pendulum swings? LJ getting better all the time and Priest WAS the dominating RB. Still shows flashes of that but his age and injury factor can't be ignored. I can't see him last all year without being injured. If you are a Priest owner without LJ I would be very nervous.
There are alot of backs that would cause me to be nervous if I did not have their backups.Jlo

Edge

LT

CMart

Rudi

Cadi

TJ

Chris Brown

Ahman Green

JJones

I would be loath to spend a 1st round pick on any RB if I didnt think I could get his back up.

 
I have to agree that LJ has looked good all preseason.  But people are getting a little too lathered up over one run where the guy didn't have to make a single cut or break one tackle.
This isn't about just one run:2004

Week 13 - 174 total yards - 2 TDs

Week 14 - 123 - 2

Week 15 - 151 - 2

Week 16 - 122 - 2

Week 17 - 161 - 2

How can Vermeil kep him off the field?
Yeah those numbers were alot better than what Priest put up in the weeks before he got hurt. Attempsts, rushing yards only and TDs

26 151 3

16 066 1

32 134 0

33 125 2 *against the Ravens defense.

19 075 0

22 139 4

32 143 3
Uhh, key words being "before he got hurt". He's 32. Injury prone. And his replacement is kicking butt. Good luck with that.
If he hurt his hip last year I would probably agree but he didn't. It was a different injury. Its not like Faulk with his chronic knee problems.
 
I think the pro-Johnson camp would have a better case if Holmes was starting to tank and his stats were mediocre. Players like Emmitt, George, Faulk, etc. were noticably worse in the box scores.Priest is still producing at a level greater than any other starting RB. As long as he is that productive, the Chiefs should not be tinkering with what has proven to not only be a good thing but a dominant thing.

 
last season 6 of johnson's 11 TD's came from 2 of the worst D's in the league - Tenn and Oakland.Although... he did have 5TD's against San Diego and Denver who had one of the better Run D's in the league.IMHOI think this guy is for real and I think they def go 50/50 with their touches. The longer they leave Priest in there the better the chane he gets hurt. I could see a lot of situations where Priest plays the 1st half and Johnson plays the 2nd.

 
Whitlocks take on the subject......I just happen to agree.

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/s...fs/12502903.htm

Priest still No. 1, but L.J. must play

JASON WHITLOCK

Larry Johnson has to play.

It has nothing to do with Priest Holmes. It’s simply acknowledgment that in three preseason games, L.J. has proved that his performance at the end of last year wasn’t a fluke.

L.J., to quote an old football coach, is the real deal. He has to play.

Priest Holmes, of course, has to play, too. He’s still the Chiefs’ best running back. He’s still the starter. It’s just now he’s going to have to share some of his touches with Johnson. This isn’t debatable.

It doesn’t matter how perfectly blocked and how poorly defended L.J.’s 97-yard run was against Seattle. No one caught Johnson. No one came close to catching Johnson. He ripped down the middle of an NFL field untouched for 97 yards.

You don’t stand on the sideline collecting dust when you can race 97 yards on a football field untouched. The NFL is all about big plays and the playmakers who create them.

Holmes is a dynamic playmaker, but he can’t run 97 yards untouched. L.J. gives Kansas City’s ground attack an extra dimension, a dimension KC’s receiver-starved offense desperately needs.

Holmes is relentless and consistent, a pass-catching, smaller version of the Bus. L.J. is starting to look like Midwest Airlines, the great little secret no one expected to hang around.

**** Vermeil and Al Saunders need to figure out how the Chiefs can travel by bus and plane. No one should try to turn this into a Holmes vs. Johnson situation, and I’m mostly talking about Holmes or Johnson turning it into that.

They should both play, and they should both accept that it’s in the best interest of the team that they both play. No pouting. No complaints about being unable to establish a rhythm.

If Vermeil and Saunders planned on an 85-15 running split between Holmes and Johnson, the coaches should now formulate a 60-40 plan. Johnson deserves 40 percent of the touches. If the Chiefs run the ball 30 times, Holmes carries it 16 times, Johnson 12 and fullback Tony Richardson or receiver Dante Hall get the two other carries.

I realize just three weeks ago I dissed my friend Jimmy Dodds in this column for even suggesting that L.J. could earn playing time in the preseason. I stand corrected. I never anticipated L.J. looking this good, this confident, this determined.

No one could have anticipated Johnson running this hard. He looks 50 percent better than he did at the end of last year. He looks like a totally different back.

Can running back by committee work?

Yes, last year the Rams used Marshall Faulk and Steven Jackson effectively. On the flip, the Bills had to separate Travis Henry and Willis McGahee because neither players’ ego would tolerate splitting carries. Henry and McGahee are both young and in their prime.

Holmes will be 32 by the end of this season. If Johnson continues to develop, Holmes becomes expendable. His age and history of injuries diminish his trade value and make Johnson untradable.

Ego is the unpredictable element in all of this. Will Holmes welcome Johnson into the running rotation? If Holmes won’t, will Vermeil and Saunders risk upsetting Holmes by giving L.J. carries anyway? They must. L.J. has to play.

 
I think the pro-Johnson camp would have a better case if Holmes was starting to tank and his stats were mediocre. Players like Emmitt, George, Faulk, etc. were noticably worse in the box scores.

Priest is still producing at a level greater than any other starting RB. As long as he is that productive, the Chiefs should not be tinkering with what has proven to not only be a good thing but a dominant thing.
Johnson was playing Seattle versus mostly the first team defense (the long run involved 2nd team defense) with Quinn as his QB. He showed a burst on every carry and he moved the pile as well. Holmes has shown little of either this preseason. Holmes probably is taking it easy and will be fine. However, you can't ignore that Johnson is looking like an elite talent now.Priest does not have to tank for Johnson to be a better back anymore. The question is how much Priest would have to slip and for how long before Vermeil puts in Larry. If Priest doesn't slip and stays healthy, Johnson will still see enough touches to look like a RBBC 2nd back. If Preist is hurt, Johnson will be a monster. If Priest is slipping at all, Johnson might have caught him and could be the better option.

 
KC RB had 535 touches last season (33.4 per game). Holmes has averaged 25.5 per game since coming to the Chiefs. If you drop Holmes to 22 touches per game, that leaves 11+ for others.Holmes has averaged 0.95 fantasy points per touch over the last 3 years. At 22 touches per game, that's still 353 touches = 334 points = #1 RB.That also allows for up to 11 touches per game for Johnson. He's averaged 1.02 fantasy points per touch (in a lot fewer games). At the same scoring rate and 11 touches per game, that would give Johnson 180 fantasy points and would rank him in the RB18-20 range. If Holmes were to miss some time, take directly from the Holmes column and add it to the Johnson column.Adjust the ratio accordingly to however you see fit and Holmes would go down and Johnson would go up.

 
I think the pro-Johnson camp would have a better case if Holmes was starting to tank and his stats were mediocre.  Players like Emmitt, George, Faulk, etc. were noticably worse in the box scores.

Priest is still producing at a level greater than any other starting RB.  As long as he is that productive, the Chiefs should not be tinkering with what has proven to not only be a good thing but a dominant thing.
Johnson was playing Seattle versus mostly the first team defense (the long run involved 2nd team defense) with Quinn as his QB. He showed a burst on every carry and he moved the pile as well. Holmes has shown little of either this preseason. Holmes probably is taking it easy and will be fine. However, you can't ignore that Johnson is looking like an elite talent now.Priest does not have to tank for Johnson to be a better back anymore. The question is how much Priest would have to slip and for how long before Vermeil puts in Larry. If Priest doesn't slip and stays healthy, Johnson will still see enough touches to look like a RBBC 2nd back. If Preist is hurt, Johnson will be a monster. If Priest is slipping at all, Johnson might have caught him and could be the better option.
I don't see Vermeil benching Holmes unless he is either hurt or dramatically sliiping productionwise to the point where he is hurting the team. IMO, that would mean performance under the NFL average for RB--not below par for Holmes. Remember, jhust last year Vermeil didn't want to play Johnson at all and the diaper comments. I doubt his opinion has changed that dramatically even if Johnson has looked good.I don't deny that Johnson has looked good and Holmes has been coasting. but lots of guys have done nothing historically in the preseason as the games don't count. Similarly, Ron Dayne looked like a monster last preseason and how did that turn out? I'm not saying that Johnson = Dayne, but the games don't matter.

As I just posted, it seems possible for Holmes to get 20-22 touches a game and Johnson to get 10-12 given the propensity and success KC has had running the ball.

 
KC RB had 535 touches last season (33.4 per game).  Holmes has averaged 25.5 per game since coming to the Chiefs.  If you drop Holmes to 22 touches per game, that leaves 11+ for others.Holmes has averaged 0.95 fantasy points per touch over the last 3 years.  At 22 touches per game, that's still 353 touches = 334 points = #1 RB.That also allows for up to 11 touches per game for Johnson.  He's averaged 1.02 fantasy points per touch (in a lot fewer games).  At the same scoring rate and 11 touches per game, that would give Johnson 180 fantasy points and would rank him in the RB18-20 range.  If Holmes were to miss some time, take directly from the Holmes column and add it to the Johnson column.Adjust the ratio accordingly to however you see fit and Holmes would go down and Johnson would go up.
Interesting. So couple that with LJ's homerun threat/ability in those ~11 touches, can you rationally start both Priest AND LJ the same week?I'd like to know if anyone in the ENTIRE world started Priest and Blaylock that 8 TD game last season. Doubtful...
 
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But how can you not look at the defenses that were faced, or other circumstances? NFL stats are not laws in physics or proven science, there are countless examples and no point to divulge into them. 

I remember how fantastic Trung Canidate and Troy Hambrick were in spot starts and now they are flippin burgers.  :hophead:
Priest=OLD.. LJ=Young. Tell me which side the pendulum swings? LJ getting better all the time and Priest WAS the dominating RB. Still shows flashes of that but his age and injury factor can't be ignored. I can't see him last all year without being injured. If you are a Priest owner without LJ I would be very nervous.
There are alot of backs that would cause me to be nervous if I did not have their backups.Jlo

Edge

LT

CMart

Rudi

Cadi

TJ

Chris Brown

Ahman Green

JJones

I would be loath to spend a 1st round pick on any RB if I didnt think I could get his back up.
That is right but facts are LJ is the cream of the crop for backups and is being taken before the starters are gone.. Why?? Well people know that Priest is a HUGE risk.. I bet you can get almost any other of those RB's as backups LATE in the draft.. Smae can not be said for LJ..
 
I'd like to know if anyone in the ENTIRE world started Priest and Blaylock that 8 TD game last season. Doubtful...
:yes: Of course it was a complete accident. My two other viable RB candidates were either hurt or on bye, I got outbid in that week's free agent bidding, and the only two active RB I had were Holmes and Blaylock. So I'd like to think I was a genius, but it was nothing but dumb luck.

 

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