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Larry Johnson > Priest (1 Viewer)

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L J just scored a TD 97 yards! he has been solid all last year when the old man got hurt, he has been solid all this preseason and he is still the backup...Ohh and Priest is spectacular as well~!!! 5 rushes 10 whopping yards.Time the Priest steps down imo.

 
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I don't know why not. Priest has the best job in the NFL, IMO he's an average RB skill wise but runs behind the best line and in one of the best offenses over the last few years. He lost his job once.
 
9 carries 147 yards for LJ so far.

Give Priest his pink slip already!
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Priest is the man. Don't let the preseason cloud your vision.
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:goodposting: I'm thinking that LJ definitely gets plenty of carries this year but Priest is still the man, especialy given his goal line success.

 
I am a priest owner for the past 3 years. I am also a huge Priest Holmes fan and I have watched all of his games. I hate saying it but I feel Larry Johnson is the better player right now, I felt this way before the preseason started. Next weekend I will be keeping Priest once again in my league and I will have to make sure to get LJ in the 5th round. a small part of me really want to keep LJ, i know I can't do this, but then I don't need to take 2 players from KC.

 
If your honestly comparing Dayne to LJ you have a sad man.LJ is not a loser that JUST NOW is showing progress he has been solid every time they gave him a chance.

 
This is the question that's been bothering me: why is everyone convinced this won't be some sort of uber-RBBC? Making both RBs an attractive option for a RB2 or RB3, but ultimately neither a top-10?At this point in Priest career, he (and the team, if they are interested in playing in January) might be better served lessening his load. Priest has never struck me as an ego guy and think he would happily share the load with LJ. So one major obstacle, veteran ego, seems to not be a factor.Now, the detractors to this opinion will point out Vermail's history of picking a stud RB and riding him. I think the situation is unlike any he's ever faced. When he was with the Rams, Marshall Faulk was in his prime and could easily handle the load. In addition, much of Marshall's work came in the passing game, thus lessening the punch-through-the-line brutality that takes a toll on a RB. The other case study would be the past few years. Priest has carried the load, but do you know what? He's broken down at the end of the season when they needed him the most. And Blaylock is not a starter-caliber RB. LJ is. LJ didn't get much run as a rookie, but was dynamic at the end of the season last year. He has proven that he is an explosive, take-it-to-the-house type back when he is behind that line.So I ask you: Is Priest and LJ worth a 1st and 5th rounder if the both put up numbers in the neigborhood of 1000 total yards and 10 TDs. Which seems possible to me.Is think line of thinking off base?
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I posted this question two weeks ago. It's going to be hard to keep LJ off the field. If the is some sort of uber RBBC, how should these layers be drafted?
 
L J just scored a TD 97 yards! he has been solid all last year when the old man got hurt, he has been solid all this preseason and he is still the backup...

Ohh and Priest is spectacular as well~!!! 5 rushes 10 whopping yards.

Time the Priest steps down imo.
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:shrug: LJ could very well have the better stats by season's end, but Priest is the lead back as long as he's healthy. For once, I can see Vermiel using RBBC.

 
LJ has looked significantly better than Holmes IMHO.
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Who hasn't LJ looked better than exactly?But it's silly to think he's got any chance to steal Holmes' carries. Similar to Jordan/Martin IMO.
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Since week 13 of last year there hasn't been a better fantasy back than LJ. I don't think Priest is in any danger of losing his job while he's healthy, but it's just a matter of time before Priest has some injury that forces the Chiefs to make LJ the starter.
 
If your honestly comparing Dayne to LJ you have a sad man.

LJ is not a loser that JUST NOW is showing progress he has been solid every time they gave him a chance.
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This Priest Holmes put up the biggest seasons in fantasy history. Your going to write him off after seeing LJ perform well in PRESEASON.(dayne was a joke)

Preseason means crap

 
It gives me a warm-fuzzy when people "see" the boxscore, but don't "see" the play. Even better when these people think that he "looks" better because they "saw" the boxscore.

 
It gives me a warm-fuzzy when people "see" the boxscore, but don't "see" the play. Even better when these people think that he "looks" better because they "saw" the boxscore.
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I've seen every preseason Chiefs game via NFL network. LJ has looked better than Priest and it's not even close.I'm not saying it means anything...just making the observation.

 
Just something to ponder...Playing along with the LJ>Priest thinking......if LJ is better than Priest, but Priest is starting because of his past performance and Vermiel's loyalty for players he's gone to battle with......why would or should the Chiefs use a RBBC? Wouldn't it make more sense for the Chiefs to simply run Holmes into the ground the first 10-12 weeks, then once he breaks down you bring in a fresh LJ for the playoff run. To me the argument of RBBC to keep Holmes healthy really isn't valid if in fact LJ is the better back. In which case Holmes health is irrelevant. But if in fact Holmes is the better back, then keeping him healthy would be of great concern.

 
If your honestly comparing Dayne to LJ you have a sad man.

LJ is not a loser that JUST NOW is showing progress he has been solid every time they gave him a chance.
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This Priest Holmes put up the biggest seasons in fantasy history. Your going to write him off after seeing LJ perform well in PRESEASON.(dayne was a joke)

Preseason means crap
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You are wrong. LJ has been GREAT in the past 8 games he's played. He will get touches even while Priest is healthy, the question is how many.I would not pick Holmes at 1.03. It looks like he moght get 60%-70% of the touches. I don't see any other way Vermeil can handle it.

 
It gives me a warm-fuzzy when people "see" the boxscore, but don't "see" the play. Even better when these people think that he "looks" better because they "saw" the boxscore.
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I've seen every preseason Chiefs game via NFL network. LJ has looked better than Priest and it's not even close.I'm not saying it means anything...just making the observation.
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I have to agree that LJ has looked good all preseason. But people are getting a little too lathered up over one run where the guy didn't have to make a single cut or break one tackle.
 
I would love for LJ to have value but I drafted him for NEXT year.. Most have to know its Priest's show until he gets hurt.. I just feel he will :)

 
This Priest Holmes put up the biggest seasons in fantasy history. Your going to write him off after seeing LJ perform well in PRESEASON.
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So did Jerry Rice. However, that won't garner him much for this year. It's not what have you done...it's what have you done for me lately.P.S. I agree though, preseason means nothing more than getting some timing against other oppents and Priest should be given the benefit of the doubt. However, if Priest looks anything less than stellar in the first couple of weeks, I wonder how much work LJ will start to get.
 
This Priest Holmes put up the biggest seasons in fantasy history. Your going to write him off after seeing LJ perform well in PRESEASON.
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So did Jerry Rice. However, that won't garner him much for this year. It's not what have you done...it's what have you done for me lately.P.S. I agree though, preseason means nothing more than getting some timing against other oppents and Priest should be given the benefit of the doubt. However, if Priest looks anything less than stellar in the first couple of weeks, I wonder how much work LJ will start to get.
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WRONG. Vermeil is not that type of coach. He will not turn his back on Priest. Vermeil is smarter than that.
 
I agree this is preseason and the stats mean nothing. But for those in a redraft they don't need to take Priest. I am in a keeper league and have to spend 2 drafts picks on Priest and LJ. Nobody knows for sure how this situation turns out.Priest could be a stud all year and LJ is just a stud backupPriest can get hurt and LJ becomes starter. Priest may get benched by vermeil and LJ becomes starter. It could be a RBBC and every week you don't know who to start/ they both may not be worth starting.Any one of these are possible. I wish i knew what to do.

 
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Priest Holmes will only start due to Vermeil being too stubborn to do the right thing. There is no comparison Priest is NOT even close to being as good as LJ. Why? one reason is age, the other is wear and tear.LJ > Priest

 
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I have to agree that LJ has looked good all preseason. But people are getting a little too lathered up over one run where the guy didn't have to make a single cut or break one tackle.
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This isn't about just one run:2004

Week 13 - 174 total yards - 2 TDs

Week 14 - 123 - 2

Week 15 - 151 - 2

Week 16 - 122 - 2

Week 17 - 161 - 2

How can Vermeil kep him off the field?

 
Priest Holmes will only start due to Vermeil being too stubborn to do the right thing. There is no comparison Priest is NOT even close to being as good as LJ. Why? one reason is age, the other is wear and tear.

LJ > Priest
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LJ owner?
 
Just something to ponder...

Playing along with the LJ>Priest thinking...

...if LJ is better than Priest, but Priest is starting because of his past performance and Vermiel's loyalty for players he's gone to battle with...

...why would or should the Chiefs use a RBBC? Wouldn't it make more sense for the Chiefs to simply run Holmes into the ground the first 10-12 weeks, then once he breaks down you bring in a fresh LJ for the playoff run.

To me the argument of RBBC to keep Holmes healthy really isn't valid if in fact LJ is the better back. In which case Holmes health is irrelevant. But if in fact Holmes is the better back, then keeping him healthy would be of great concern.
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I agree this is preseason and the stats mean nothing. But for those in a redraft they don't need to take Priest. I am in a keeper league and have to spend 2 drafts picks on Priest and LJ.

Nobody knows for sure how this situation turns out.

Priest could be a stud all year and LJ is just a stud backup

Priest can get hurt and LJ becomes starter.

Priest may get benched by vermeil and LJ becomes starter.

It could be a RBBC and every week you don't know who to start/ they both may not be worth starting.

Any one of these are possible. I wish i knew what to do.
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Priest will not get benched by Vermeil. He's too sentimental and Priest is his guy. Let's not forget the diaper comments by Vermeil last season. Larry Johnson is Carl Peterson's man, and LJ will only get the reigns after Vermeil leaves.
 
Just something to ponder...

Playing along with the LJ>Priest thinking...

...if LJ is better than Priest, but Priest is starting because of his past performance and Vermiel's loyalty for players he's gone to battle with...

...why would or should the Chiefs use a RBBC?  Wouldn't it make more sense for the Chiefs to simply run Holmes into the ground the first 10-12 weeks, then once he breaks down you bring in a fresh LJ for the playoff run. 

To me the argument of RBBC to keep Holmes healthy really isn't valid if in fact LJ is the better back.  In which case Holmes health is irrelevant.  But if in fact Holmes is the better back, then keeping him healthy would be of great concern.
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You don't think it is advantageous to have your top two RBs healthy heading into the postseason?
 
another thing to point out Priest himself said he is only 75% healthy. I am not saying Priest won't be a stud this year. I am just a little nervous that I have to keep Priest Holmes and then pray LJ is available for me in the 5th round. I also own both of them.

 
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WRONG. Vermeil is not that type of coach. He will not turn his back on Priest. Vermeil is smarter than that.
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What Vermeil WILL DO and what Vermeil SHOULD DO are two different things. For example, Joe Gibbs is highly loyal to his guys. When it was obvious that Mark Brunell couldn't get the job done in Washington last year Gibbs stuck with Brunell. I agree that Priest should be the starter, but how well does he have to perform to justify that starting position. Better yet, if Holmes is simply a shell of his former self, will Vermeil do what he SHOULD DO, or will he and Holmes ride off into the sunset watching the playoffs on TV.
 
There is no comparison Priest is NOT even close to being as good as LJ. Why? one reason is age, the other is wear and tear.
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NFL TOUCHES Martin 3700+

Dillon 2400+

James 2100+

Barber 2000+

Ahman Green 1800+

Tomlinson 1600+

Priest has a whopping 1900+ touches in his career :loco:

(98% behind the best line in football)

 
You don't think it is advantageous to have your top two RBs healthy heading into the postseason?
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Obviously having both is better than only having one. But, you can't hand the ball off to both at once. So for arguments sake (assuming LJ > Priest) the question is, would you rather go into the playoffs with Priest and LJ sharing carries, or LJ carrying the load...assuming LJ is the better back.
 
I would not pick Holmes at 1.03. It looks like he moght get 60%-70% of the touches. I don't see any other way Vermeil can handle it.
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Yeah, because 60-70% of 2400 total yards and 30 TDs isn't worth a high 1st round pick.
 
It gives me a warm-fuzzy when people "see" the boxscore, but don't "see" the play. Even better when these people think that he "looks" better because they "saw" the boxscore.
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I've seen every preseason Chiefs game via NFL network. LJ has looked better than Priest and it's not even close.I'm not saying it means anything...just making the observation.
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One of a few issues I have with many fantasy players who consider themselves upper echelon in any sense. A player isn't as good as he was or as someone similar to him was. A player is as good as he is. I am not saying LJ is better than Priest now (I haven't seen most of their play this preseason).However, why wouldn't it be possible that LJ has looked better on the field with and against first teamers this year? LJ obviously has talent. Priest obviously benefited as much as LJ and Blaylock have behind the same line and his overblown numbers because of it have to be tempered in recollection. Given the fact that this is another year after a Priest season ending injury and that LJ is completely out of the doghouse and we are hearing nothing but praise concerning him, LJ could be the better option for KC now.

An observation was stated. One that is probably true. Respond to it instead of dismissing it with false hyperbole.

 
Priest will always be the man... but, LJ adds an element that Priest just doesn't have... the ability to hit the long home run. LJ broke 3 TD's last year over 30... he looks solid... No one's knocking priest... he's a red zone machine and 5 yards per carry... but Larry has shown he can do that behind the line and more.

 
I took Priest at 1.3 in a 12 teamer and then traded Barlow and like my 11th rder for LJ and Driver...I would be WORRIED SICK if I didnt have LJ.What I'm really hoping for is that Vermiel runs Priest into the ground for 6-10 games, he gets injured for the rest of the year, and then they run LJ into the ground...I never like to hope for an injury, but ideally Vermiel gives almost all the reps to Priest and if he gets injured so be it cuz they have a stud backing him up.If they have a 50-50 RBBC that will suckkkkkk. Any chance that happens? As long as one of the two is getting the WORKLOAD I will be golden.

 
I'm not a conspiracy theorist normally, but I'm starting to think posts like this one are just attempts by non-Priest owners to jack up LJ's ADP prior to their drafts.I'm half kidding about that (I think)... :tinfoilhat: For anyone who didn't see the game, but still insist on posting that LJ should start ahead of a potential HOF runningback:1) Seahawks had their backup defensive lineman in on the play, and2) The hole was so HUGE that LJ didn't even have to cut before heading to the end zone. Safe to say that quite a few NFL runningbacks could have gotten the same result there.So, while I'll admit that LJ has looked good, lets not put Priest out to pasture quite yet.

 
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