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realamerican85
Footballguy
What's all this nonsense about telling me not to bench my studs then telling me to bench Larry Johnson... in my book kid is a stud and top 10 if not top 5 RB (not FF) in the league.
Look, for the people who don't think LJ will repeat you really need to watch KC games and listen to the KC staff. This isn't "luck" or "will only get a few carries a game so his production is random". He is a horse and doesn't need to be taken out of the game after a long carry. My eyes didn't deceive me, he was the BETTER back out there last Sunday and it wasn't a fluke. This guy is a STUD and **** knows this, watch for his official coming out party and remember I told you so.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
So what's everyone's opinion heading into week 2 that believe LJ is the better back. Do you believe the way to go in the drafts was to pass on Priest early in round 1 and nab LJ in rounds 5 or 6 or get both in rounds 1 and 5?And for those that were risk takers and just took Priest early in round 1 and gambled on not taking LJ because they hoped Priest would return to hiself old self, what about those people? Did they make a serious miscalculation?
I made sure to take LJ in all of my leagues and did except for one. 
Priest never fell to me in the first and in the leagues I drafted top 3 I did not draft Priest. From last year to this preseason I just thought strongly that it was this year where you will see a balance attack plus I don't like the fact that Priest seems to break down. Finally, after last week's game I was 100% sold.Note: In the league that matters most to me, LJ is my fourth RB so it's not as if I NEED him to produce.
Priest never fell to me in the first and in the leagues I drafted top 3 I did not draft Priest. From last year to this preseason I just thought strongly that it was this year where you will see a balance attack plus I don't like the fact that Priest seems to break down. Finally, after last week's game I was 100% sold.Note: In the league that matters most to me, LJ is my fourth RB so it's not as if I NEED him to produce.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Satch, this is fantasy football. This is what that means to us:72 yards = 7 points for Priest 36 yards = 3 points for Larry Johnson
Nowhere in fantasy football land is anyone going to admit that Johnson outproduced Holmes in that example.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Frankly, I'm a bit bothered by Priest not getting as many carries. I drafted Lj as my no. 3 back hoping that sooner than later Priest would break down and then I'd get a monster for the playoff stretch.This sharing of carries only prolongs Priest's season IMO. I wanted Priest to get 28 carries a game for awhile, need a few games rest and in comes fresh LJ and bam, you've got 150 and 2 td's on your hands.I made sure to take LJ in all of my leagues and did except for one.
Note: In the league that matters most to me, LJ is my fourth RB so it's not as if I NEED him to produce.
satch
Footballguy
This exchange is about wether or not LJ is a better RB than Priest Holmes, which has absolutely nothing to do with fantasy football. Maybe that's why some people have yet to see that LJ is better than Priest. They're blinded by fantasy football and have lost track of reality football.
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And more importantly, how does it pertain to my fantasy team?
Rushmore
Footballguy
I'm not totally sold on either senario with the Priest vs. LJ talk, but I do think that Larry Johnson will be keyed on and part of the game plan for opposing defenses. If many Priest owners think of him being as "done" as some around here, he seems to be a good value trade-wise though.
The "Never bench your studs" theory only applies to fantasy studs. Hines Ward and Derrick Mason are both stud NFL receivers, but I don't hear anyone castigating FFers who let them ride the pine based on unfavorable matchups. Do you?
If Vermeil is so certain that LJ is a stud... why is Holmes still getting 2+ times as many carries? Could somebody please explain this to me?If Vermeil is so convinced that LJ is the real deal, why is Holmes still the #1 here?Look, for the people who don't think LJ will repeat you really need to watch KC games and listen to the KC staff. This isn't "luck" or "will only get a few carries a game so his production is random". He is a horse and doesn't need to be taken out of the game after a long carry. My eyes didn't deceive me, he was the BETTER back out there last Sunday and it wasn't a fluke. This guy is a STUD and **** knows this, watch for his official coming out party and remember I told you so.
I have to say out of any position, past ELITE RB are definitely viewed as still being elite even when the eyes tell you they aren't. This reminds me of how many people talked over and over about how Faulk will turn it on and is still the Faulk we have come to know and love. People do NOT want to accept drafting a RB in the first quarter of the first round that they are not worth that high of a pick. This is a pattern that repeats itself. Again, I CHALLENGE anyone to actually watch the game last week and honestly tell me that Priest was the better back.
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Just sit back and watch the season unfold for your questions will be answered.The "Never bench your studs" theory only applies to fantasy studs. Hines Ward and Derrick Mason are both stud NFL receivers, but I don't hear anyone castigating FFers who let them ride the pine based on unfavorable matchups. Do you?If Vermeil is so certain that LJ is a stud... why is Holmes still getting 2+ times as many carries? Could somebody please explain this to me?If Vermeil is so convinced that LJ is the real deal, why is Holmes still the #1 here?Look, for the people who don't think LJ will repeat you really need to watch KC games and listen to the KC staff. This isn't "luck" or "will only get a few carries a game so his production is random". He is a horse and doesn't need to be taken out of the game after a long carry. My eyes didn't deceive me, he was the BETTER back out there last Sunday and it wasn't a fluke. This guy is a STUD and **** knows this, watch for his official coming out party and remember I told you so.
Ahmad Rashad
Footballguy
LJ would have had a much higher % of the carries if he hadn't done so well. You guys who keep harping on the fact that LJ only had 9 carries should realize that if he had averaged 5 ypc instead of 12+, he probably would have had twice as many carries. He was in as the RB for those series, and because he was so effective, it took fewer carries to cover the yards and get in the end zone.To assume that LJ will only max out at 9 carries a game after week 1 is silly. If he only gets 9 carries, it's because he's doing amzingly well like in game 1. He's much more likely to get 10-15, and maybe even more if he has the "hot hand" relative to Priest and they pound the ball late in the game. After week 1, they've indicated that they'll have to play LJ more, especially if he has the "hot hand" -- 2 series for Priest, 1 for LJ, then lean on whoever's more effective.The "Never bench your studs" theory only applies to fantasy studs. Hines Ward and Derrick Mason are both stud NFL receivers, but I don't hear anyone castigating FFers who let them ride the pine based on unfavorable matchups. Do you?If Vermeil is so certain that LJ is a stud... why is Holmes still getting 2+ times as many carries? Could somebody please explain this to me?If Vermeil is so convinced that LJ is the real deal, why is Holmes still the #1 here?Look, for the people who don't think LJ will repeat you really need to watch KC games and listen to the KC staff. This isn't "luck" or "will only get a few carries a game so his production is random". He is a horse and doesn't need to be taken out of the game after a long carry. My eyes didn't deceive me, he was the BETTER back out there last Sunday and it wasn't a fluke. This guy is a STUD and **** knows this, watch for his official coming out party and remember I told you so.
Priest is a stud, but he turns 32 next month, and Vermiel wants to keep him healthy by not overworking him, especially when not necessary late in games that aren't close.
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
The arguments against LJ hold no water. It's just sour grapes by people that didn't draft him.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Really? I saw LJ's first run, and he got the corner behind 2 pulling linemen and went 35 yards untouched. He wasn't untouched because he faked 2-3 guys out of his shoes, or because he made an amazing cut, the play was executed PERFECTLY by the entire Chief OL.I did not see the other 8 carries, so maybe LJ looked like Gale Sayers while getting 75 yards with those 8 carries.
LJ would have had a much higher % of the carries if he hadn't done so well. You guys who keep harping on the fact that LJ only had 9 carries should realize that if he had averaged 5 ypc instead of 12+, he probably would have had twice as many carries. He was in as the RB for those series, and because he was so effective, it took fewer carries to cover the yards and get in the end zone.To assume that LJ will only max out at 9 carries a game after week 1 is silly. If he only gets 9 carries, it's because he's doing amzingly well like in game 1. He's much more likely to get 10-15, and maybe even more if he has the "hot hand" relative to Priest and they pound the ball late in the game. After week 1, they've indicated that they'll have to play LJ more, especially if he has the "hot hand" -- 2 series for Priest, 1 for LJ, then lean on whoever's more effective.The "Never bench your studs" theory only applies to fantasy studs. Hines Ward and Derrick Mason are both stud NFL receivers, but I don't hear anyone castigating FFers who let them ride the pine based on unfavorable matchups. Do you?If Vermeil is so certain that LJ is a stud... why is Holmes still getting 2+ times as many carries? Could somebody please explain this to me?If Vermeil is so convinced that LJ is the real deal, why is Holmes still the #1 here?Look, for the people who don't think LJ will repeat you really need to watch KC games and listen to the KC staff. This isn't "luck" or "will only get a few carries a game so his production is random". He is a horse and doesn't need to be taken out of the game after a long carry. My eyes didn't deceive me, he was the BETTER back out there last Sunday and it wasn't a fluke. This guy is a STUD and **** knows this, watch for his official coming out party and remember I told you so.
Priest is a stud, but he turns 32 next month, and Vermiel wants to keep him healthy by not overworking him, especially when not necessary late in games that aren't close.
I couldn't have put this any better.
No. I'd need to see the game. If defenses are putting 8 in the box against Padre and 7 in the box against Johnson, then I think it'd be clear that Padre was still the better RB.It would also depend on the holes. Since LJ is getting fewer carries, all he needs is one long one where he gets great blocking to inflate the carry totals.
In the end, watching the game is the only way to accurately evaluate what's going on.
Funny, and here I thought I was a Larry Johnson owner.Hey guys, anyone who watched the Cleveland game knows that Frisman Jackson is the #1 WR on the team I bet he's going to be a real stud here guys I mean did you even watch the game he was the best on the team so clearly he's better than every other WR on the entire team I'm thinking of starting him this week over Terrell Owens because did you even SEE the game last week the kids a stud?!
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Towards the end of the preseason, shoot I drafted him in the 4th round.I was drafting LJ in the 5th round in my winter league draft back in January.I agree, shoulda taken him in the 5th boys instead of getting greedy and tryin for the 6th or 7th.
I'm facing a guy starting LJ over Caddy and I prefer it that way. I may be wrong, but this reeks of week 1 over-reacting. I'd need more than last week against a terrible JETS performance to start over a back gauranteed to get 25+ touches.I view LJ right now the way one can view a home-run (top 10ish) type WR. Some weeks they will dominate but others they will get 2 for 30. The Q is do you start that type of WR over a starting, workhorse RB... Classic risk/reward
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Yeah, I've told that kind of stuff to many a league mate and at 12:30 switch it. So don't be surprised if there's a lineup change due to a little gamesmanship.
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
That was Imp, not I.Thanks for taking him ahead of me in :e: you ****.
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
Well, he had his chance today.*looks at stats*LJ would have had a much higher % of the carries if he hadn't done so well. You guys who keep harping on the fact that LJ only had 9 carries should realize that if he had averaged 5 ypc instead of 12+, he probably would have had twice as many carries.The "Never bench your studs" theory only applies to fantasy studs. Hines Ward and Derrick Mason are both stud NFL receivers, but I don't hear anyone castigating FFers who let them ride the pine based on unfavorable matchups. Do you?If Vermeil is so certain that LJ is a stud... why is Holmes still getting 2+ times as many carries? Could somebody please explain this to me?If Vermeil is so convinced that LJ is the real deal, why is Holmes still the #1 here?Look, for the people who don't think LJ will repeat you really need to watch KC games and listen to the KC staff. This isn't "luck" or "will only get a few carries a game so his production is random". He is a horse and doesn't need to be taken out of the game after a long carry. My eyes didn't deceive me, he was the BETTER back out there last Sunday and it wasn't a fluke. This guy is a STUD and **** knows this, watch for his official coming out party and remember I told you so.
Oh, yeah...9 carries.
Ok.
Well? I'm waiting oh so patiently amidst the stench in the thread. Go ahead and start smearing whenever you're ready.I'll even do you a favor and refrain that pointing out that Johnson wouldn't have even gotten his one TD if Holmes hadn't sat out a couple plays with injury.You can thank yourself for the "ignorant" comment when I bump this on Sunday night and smear your face in the stench you left in this thread, GB.
Neo
The Dude minds
As the guy that started this post, I'll tell you how it is. I'm up 14.5 points with Shockey to go tomorrow. He has the Dallas defense. If I started Caddy, I'd be up by 23 points. It can go either way right now. If I had Caddy in I'd probably feel confident in winning. As it stands now, I'm on the fense. No sweat though, if I lose I lose, it's only week 2, I feel good about my team and I learned this week that Caddy is a stud and will be starting weekly next to Edge.....unless Priest gets hurt or something like that. 
Think you don't quite get it, EVERY time Priest has a gain more than 15 yards, he takes HIMSELF out of the game. Must be out of shape.Well? I'm waiting oh so patiently amidst the stench in the thread. Go ahead and start smearing whenever you're ready.I'll even do you a favor and refrain that pointing out that Johnson wouldn't have even gotten his one TD if Holmes hadn't sat out a couple plays with injury.You can thank yourself for the "ignorant" comment when I bump this on Sunday night and smear your face in the stench you left in this thread, GB.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Obviously an LJ owner who made the mistake of starting him this week....Think you don't quite get it, EVERY time Priest has a gain more than 15 yards, he takes HIMSELF out of the game. Must be out of shape.Well? I'm waiting oh so patiently amidst the stench in the thread. Go ahead and start smearing whenever you're ready.I'll even do you a favor and refrain that pointing out that Johnson wouldn't have even gotten his one TD if Holmes hadn't sat out a couple plays with injury.You can thank yourself for the "ignorant" comment when I bump this on Sunday night and smear your face in the stench you left in this thread, GB.
See, that's the problem. You weren't advocating starting Johnson over Holmes. You were advocating starting Johnson against other RBs guaranteed of 20+ touches. Guys like Stephen Davis, Thomas Jones, Cadillac Williams, etc, etc, etc.Backpedal all you want. Your premise was that Johnson was now a quality starter, and my premise was that any RB who wouldn't even get 10 touches can't be considered a quality starter.
And I also believe that Priest is still the better RB. Johnson had a couple of nice runs, but the second anyone got a hand on him, he went down. Holmes managed to make something out of nothing, get yards when there wasn't much there. And Holmes is better in the passing game.
Also, Holmes didn't take himself out of the game because he ran for 15 yards. He took himself out of the game because he got a stinger on the play.
Sounds like sour grapes, to me. You read way too much into one week, you got burned, and now you're making excuses.
Otis
Footballguy
I will say, however, that it was a very close call -- it turned out to be a 1-play difference. When the Chiefs get the ball 1st and goal and pull Priest to hand it to LJ, I fully expected LJ to knock in his second TD. 2 holding calls later and we're 30 yards out. This could just as easily have been a 60 yard, 2 TD game from LJ, which would put him ahead of Priest and on par with Cadillac.That OAK defense looked a lot better than I thought it would.
Koya
Footballguy
I was watching the game. The Cheifs didnt pull Priest to give it to LJ. Priest took himself out, which LJ allows for because of his talent. That said, Priest is one of the best goaline backs of our generation... do people only see what they want to see out there?I'm a Priest owner - I dont like seeing LJ get 1/3 of the carries, but I am not going to deny it. I wont deny that against a weak d line, LJ will put up some monster numbers in his limited touches. But I also am not about to put Priest out to pasture when he showed signs last night of rounding into form as a great back who knows how to get yards - especially the important ones.
I will say, however, that it was a very close call -- it turned out to be a 1-play difference. When the Chiefs get the ball 1st and goal and pull Priest to hand it to LJ, I fully expected LJ to knock in his second TD. 2 holding calls later and we're 30 yards out. This could just as easily have been a 60 yard, 2 TD game from LJ, which would put him ahead of Priest and on par with Cadillac.
That OAK defense looked a lot better than I thought it would.
Nope just someone who actually watches the game.Obviously an LJ owner who made the mistake of starting him this week....Think you don't quite get it, EVERY time Priest has a gain more than 15 yards, he takes HIMSELF out of the game. Must be out of shape.Well? I'm waiting oh so patiently amidst the stench in the thread. Go ahead and start smearing whenever you're ready.I'll even do you a favor and refrain that pointing out that Johnson wouldn't have even gotten his one TD if Holmes hadn't sat out a couple plays with injury.You can thank yourself for the "ignorant" comment when I bump this on Sunday night and smear your face in the stench you left in this thread, GB.
