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Late Round Dynasty RB's? (1 Viewer)
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carlos1984
Footballguy
J.Forsett
1,623 yards and 10 tds in two seasons as M.Lynch's backup.
1,748 total yards and 15 tds as a starter.
1,623 yards and 10 tds in two seasons as M.Lynch's backup.
1,748 total yards and 15 tds as a starter.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
How deep are you talking?
RB50? 60? 70?
Rookies and/or vets?
RB50? 60? 70?
Rookies and/or vets?
ThePittbully
Footballguy
30 round draft some guys I got were
Bradshaw in round 10
Pierre Thomas in 11
Derrick Ward in 12
Deuce McCallister in 13
Michael Bush in 15
Kenny Irons in 22
Jalen Parmele in 28
and Antonio Pittman in 30
I also got Matt Forte in round 6 but I dont know if you consider that late
Bradshaw in round 10
Pierre Thomas in 11
Derrick Ward in 12
Deuce McCallister in 13
Michael Bush in 15
Kenny Irons in 22
Jalen Parmele in 28
and Antonio Pittman in 30
I also got Matt Forte in round 6 but I dont know if you consider that late
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EBF
Footballguy
I've grabbed Xavier Omon late in several drafts. He's a step slow, but he has everything else you look for in a starting RB.
I think Brandon Jackson is an interesting sleeper pick this year. Same with Tashard Choice. I'm not necessarily in love with their talent, but both guys have the size and combine numbers to potentially emerge as starters in the NFL.
Chris Perry is a good flyer.
I think Brandon Jackson is an interesting sleeper pick this year. Same with Tashard Choice. I'm not necessarily in love with their talent, but both guys have the size and combine numbers to potentially emerge as starters in the NFL.
Chris Perry is a good flyer.
duece2626
Footballguy
Amazing what 2 1/2 months can do for a guy...Mar. 11, 2008 - 10:00 p.m. ET
The Texans' coaching staff is "really high" on RB Chris Taylor, according to the Houston Chronicle's John McClain.
McClain suggests that Taylor is the reason the team won't take a back with its first-round pick. Taylor played well in limited duty as a rookie in 2006, averaging 4.4 YPC with three catches for 40 yards. He then missed all of last season. Coach Gary Kubiak reportedly believes he'll be an ideal fit in the Texans' zone-blocking system.
May. 31, 2008 - 10:19 a.m. ET
Texans RB Chris Taylor wasn't included in head coach Gary Kubiak's recent assessment of the team's running back situation.
Kubiak riffed on Ahman Green, Chris Brown, and Steve Slaton before saying "we’ve got three different kind of backs but, at the same time, three very exciting backs." Taylor has been a favorite of the Houston media, but any chance for a significant impact has clearly been overstated.
http://fantasybaseball.usatoday.com/conten...nfl&id=4044
LBH
Footballguy
I thought it was posted here or somewhere else that it was actually one of Houstons O linemen that made the comment, and not Kubiak
EBF
Footballguy
They signed Chris Brown and drafted Steve Slaton. I doubt they would've made those moves if they felt Taylor had a bright future.
LBH
Footballguy
If you actually dig into that link you provided you will see that the comments came from Eric Winson T, and not Kubiak
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
And they've never been corrected either. They take a totally offhand comment by an O-lineman, attribute it to the coach and blow the meaning all out of proportion. The National Enquirer would blush.If you actually dig into that link you provided you will see that the comments came from Eric Winson T, and not Kubiak
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I agree that Taylor's a longshot.But with Green and Taylor coming off serious injuries I don't think signing Brown says much about how they view Taylor's long-term prospects. And Slaton is a 190 pound COP back. Taylor's 220 pounds of straight-line thumping.So IMO we don't have any real feel for how they view Taylor at this point.
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loose circuits
Footballguy
Chauncey Washington
DenverBroncos
Footballguy
Lorenzo Booker
Tatum Bell (still think he ends up the best detroit fantasy RB)
Kevin Jones (can be had for dirt cheap and I think he will be a good fantasy back this year)
Tatum Bell (still think he ends up the best detroit fantasy RB)
Kevin Jones (can be had for dirt cheap and I think he will be a good fantasy back this year)
DenverBroncos
Footballguy
Definetly not, not likely, no and definetly no.
LBH
Footballguy
depends on how late is late. I just finished a 46 rd dynasty/IDP start up and these are some of the "late" rd rb targets I had. Of the 4, I love P.Thomas and Hightower as late rd prospects
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Am I the only one that drafts UDFAs like Chad Simpson because I think they'll be good? 
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EBF
Footballguy
Am I the only one that drafts UDFAs like Chad Simpson because I think they'll be good?
LBH
Footballguy
Booker could be interesting down the road in a year or two. Tatum Bell could easily be 3rd on the depth chart this year. Im a believer in K.Smith and think he will be holding that starting position for quite a few years. K.Jones I think is a decent gamble for what he costs. He could end up in a decent situation or he could end up like Foster, firmly entrenched as a back up
houndirish
Footballguy
Loved Tashard Choice coming out but his situation sucks. Still I spent an early 5th rounder in my dynasty rookie draft for him. I also took RB Thomas Brown at 6.11.
I think Forsett and Hightower have good situations although I didn't select either.
I think Forsett and Hightower have good situations although I didn't select either.
prymetyme25
Footballguy
I've taken him in 3 dynasty drafts. Thought a team like denver or even here in Houston would give him a shot but he's in Indy and I'll wait to see what happens before I cut him. I really like him but I also like Hart too so it's a bit of a problem for me.Am I the only one that drafts UDFAs like Chad Simpson because I think they'll be good?
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
It all depends on your definition of "Deep" (to go back to the OP).
Look at Denver right now.
RB 30-40 : Selvin Young and Ryan Torain
RB 40-60 : Michael Pittman, and Andre Hall
RB 60+: Anthony Alridge
The point is that there's guys that are at RB4/RB5 on many teams that are WAY down the list of RBs (like RB80-110) but are still about 1-2% viable if given the chance. Ryan Grant and Earnest Graham were on this list last year.
Look at Denver right now.
RB 30-40 : Selvin Young and Ryan Torain
RB 40-60 : Michael Pittman, and Andre Hall
RB 60+: Anthony Alridge
The point is that there's guys that are at RB4/RB5 on many teams that are WAY down the list of RBs (like RB80-110) but are still about 1-2% viable if given the chance. Ryan Grant and Earnest Graham were on this list last year.
DawnBTVS
Footballguy
I like the following RBs as late sleepers to hold onto... or trade for if possible.
RB Lorenzo Booker: Had only 28 carries but averaged 4.5 YPC and had 28 catches. Should see a similar role/slightly improved in Philadelphia.
RB DeShawn Wynn: Had only 50 carries but averaged 4.1 YPC and had 0 fumbles in 59 touches.
RB Jerious Norwood: Could possibly be had cheap as he won't be a factor in the run game but could be a steal in a PPR league. His YPC is well known but he had 16 catches more in Year 2 vs. Year 1 and has 0 fumbles in his career.
RB Darren Sproles: See Norwood. Should have more of an impact this year receiving wise and while he may not do a ton FP wise, he does have a 4.8 YPC on 45 career carries.
One thing I noticed in doing quick research is that the great stud RBs (with a few exceptions like Ricky Williams and LT) averaged at least 4.0 YPC regardless of how many carries they got on their rookie season. This obviously isn't fool proof but I think it's a nice indication to look for if you're looking to trade for a RB who may have had a minimal impact their rookie year.
RB Lorenzo Booker: Had only 28 carries but averaged 4.5 YPC and had 28 catches. Should see a similar role/slightly improved in Philadelphia.
RB DeShawn Wynn: Had only 50 carries but averaged 4.1 YPC and had 0 fumbles in 59 touches.
RB Jerious Norwood: Could possibly be had cheap as he won't be a factor in the run game but could be a steal in a PPR league. His YPC is well known but he had 16 catches more in Year 2 vs. Year 1 and has 0 fumbles in his career.
RB Darren Sproles: See Norwood. Should have more of an impact this year receiving wise and while he may not do a ton FP wise, he does have a 4.8 YPC on 45 career carries.
One thing I noticed in doing quick research is that the great stud RBs (with a few exceptions like Ricky Williams and LT) averaged at least 4.0 YPC regardless of how many carries they got on their rookie season. This obviously isn't fool proof but I think it's a nice indication to look for if you're looking to trade for a RB who may have had a minimal impact their rookie year.
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These were my flyers in a 12-team PPR league. Start 2 RBs, so RBs go early and often, still there were plenty of good values late in the draft. This draft was approx. 3 weeks ago, before the Denver RB situation gained slightly more clearity. Expect Selvin to go by the 6th to 7th round now, if not earlier in some case.
Young, S -10.3-Pick 111
Jones, K -13.10-Pick 154
Perry, C -15.10-Pick 178
Williams, C -18.3-Pick 207
Parmele, J -19.10-Pick 226
Ward, D -21.10-Pick 250
Kevin Jones seems to be gaining momentum this off-season, and will probably go earlier and earlier in drafts until a contract is finally annouced stabilizing it least his short-term upside. I really like the kids long-term upside if he can ever stay healthy. He's low-risk high-reward, just like I like'em.
Chris Perry is another intriguing RB especially in PPR leagues. Could become a very good flex option on bye weeks if he can finally resume his third-down role. His value ranges wildly right now. I've seen him go in the 12 Round of PPR drafts and he also sometimes goes undrafted. Anytime he falls past Round 15 makes him worth a flyer in my book.
Carnell Williams is still a good buy very late in drafts as you'll probably only have to hold him a year and next off-season to find out what kind of return you'll get. If he gets back in the rotation at all there's a good chance he improves on his value compared to where he's at this off-season.
Jalen Parmele doesn't appear to be in position to make an impact, but with Ronnie's injurys and Ricky's age and hibituals you never know. I honestly don't know much about this kid, and though my expectations are extremely low he's the last of the rookies I feel could eventually make an impact.
Derrick Ward is on a one-year contract and has shown flashes, and is an excellent PPR prospect, though he's already 27. Hoping to cash in next off-season if he can land in a good spot. I can thank my pre-draft picks for this pick as he was by far the BPA at pick 250. A bunch of RBs are going ahead of him that probably shouldn't, as I believe he's the forgotten back in the NYG backfield.
Young, S -10.3-Pick 111
Jones, K -13.10-Pick 154
Perry, C -15.10-Pick 178
Williams, C -18.3-Pick 207
Parmele, J -19.10-Pick 226
Ward, D -21.10-Pick 250
Kevin Jones seems to be gaining momentum this off-season, and will probably go earlier and earlier in drafts until a contract is finally annouced stabilizing it least his short-term upside. I really like the kids long-term upside if he can ever stay healthy. He's low-risk high-reward, just like I like'em.
Chris Perry is another intriguing RB especially in PPR leagues. Could become a very good flex option on bye weeks if he can finally resume his third-down role. His value ranges wildly right now. I've seen him go in the 12 Round of PPR drafts and he also sometimes goes undrafted. Anytime he falls past Round 15 makes him worth a flyer in my book.
Carnell Williams is still a good buy very late in drafts as you'll probably only have to hold him a year and next off-season to find out what kind of return you'll get. If he gets back in the rotation at all there's a good chance he improves on his value compared to where he's at this off-season.
Jalen Parmele doesn't appear to be in position to make an impact, but with Ronnie's injurys and Ricky's age and hibituals you never know. I honestly don't know much about this kid, and though my expectations are extremely low he's the last of the rookies I feel could eventually make an impact.
Derrick Ward is on a one-year contract and has shown flashes, and is an excellent PPR prospect, though he's already 27. Hoping to cash in next off-season if he can land in a good spot. I can thank my pre-draft picks for this pick as he was by far the BPA at pick 250. A bunch of RBs are going ahead of him that probably shouldn't, as I believe he's the forgotten back in the NYG backfield.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Ah, see I don't like Hart so I think he's a sneaky play there as a possible Addai backup. The Rhodes signing complicated it though. Maybe they'll try to put him on the PS and someone with a greater RB need will grab him?prymetyme25 said:I've taken him in 3 dynasty drafts. Thought a team like denver or even here in Houston would give him a shot but he's in Indy and I'll wait to see what happens before I cut him. I really like him but I also like Hart too so it's a bit of a problem for me.Am I the only one that drafts UDFAs like Chad Simpson because I think they'll be good?
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Off the top of my head Tomlinson, Tiki, Ricky Williams and Thomas Jones averaged less than 4 ypc their rookie years.DawnBTVS said:
prymetyme25
Footballguy
if that happens I want be able to roster him but I'll be keeping an eye on him. I think he has a perfect speed/size ratio. All he needs is a oppurtunity.Ah, see I don't like Hart so I think he's a sneaky play there as a possible Addai backup. The Rhodes signing complicated it though. Maybe they'll try to put him on the PS and someone with a greater RB need will grab him?prymetyme25 said:I've taken him in 3 dynasty drafts. Thought a team like denver or even here in Houston would give him a shot but he's in Indy and I'll wait to see what happens before I cut him. I really like him but I also like Hart too so it's a bit of a problem for me.Am I the only one that drafts UDFAs like Chad Simpson because I think they'll be good?
EBF
Footballguy
Here's a post I made prior to the 2006 season:
Obviously not all of the sleepers I identified panned out, but Gore, Drew, and Fargas all emerged from this list to achieve considerable FF value (Ladell Betts did the same, though I overlooked him on my list). If we're to believe that most of the breakout runners will be untested first day draft picks playing backup roles then we should probably narrow our list to: 2008: Felix Jones, Chris Johnson, Matt Forte, Ray Rice, Kevin Smith, Jamaal Charles, Steve Slaton,2007: Kenny Irons, Chris Henry, Brandon Jackson, Lorenzo Booker, Tony Hunt, Garrett Wolfe2006: DeAngelo Williams, Brian Calhoun, Jerious Norwood2005: JJ Arrington, Vernand Morency, Ryan Moats2004: Chris Perry, Greg JonesIt's pretty likely that the next few breakouts backs are somewhere on the above list. I think some of these guys are total scrubs with no chance of ever starting and I think others are better suited to change of pace roles, so I would probably trim the list as follows:2008: Felix Jones, Matt Forte, Ray Rice, Kevin Smith2007: Brandon Jackson2006: n/a2005: n/a2004: Chris PerryThis is a pretty good short list of breakout candidates. I also like the talent of Irons and Charles, but they might be just a little bit undersized for a featured role. Jones is also near the border, as is Rice, though Rice has an ideal BMI.
Of RBs that have only been in the league 3 years or less:
Pierre Thomas, NO
Jamaal Charles, KC
Ryan Torain, DEN
Leon Washington, NYJ
Lorenzo Booker, PHI
Michael Bush, OAK
Kenny Irons, CIN
Steve Slaton, HOU
Tashard Choice, DAL
Brandon Jackson, GB
Mike Hart, IND
Jalen Parmele, MIA
Chris Henry, TEN
Timothy Hightower, ARZ
Chauncey Washington, JAX
Justin Forsett, SEA
Cory Boyd, TB
Chris Taylor, HOU
Tony Hunt, PHI
Thomas Brown, ATL
Jerome Felton, DET
Jacob Hester, SD
Jerome Harrison, CLE
Xavier Omon, BUF
Andre Hall, DEN
BenJarvus Green-Ellis, NE
Marcus Thomas, SD
Brian Leonard, STL
ETA: Calhoun probably belongs near the bottom of this list too
Pierre Thomas, NO
Jamaal Charles, KC
Ryan Torain, DEN
Leon Washington, NYJ
Lorenzo Booker, PHI
Michael Bush, OAK
Kenny Irons, CIN
Steve Slaton, HOU
Tashard Choice, DAL
Brandon Jackson, GB
Mike Hart, IND
Jalen Parmele, MIA
Chris Henry, TEN
Timothy Hightower, ARZ
Chauncey Washington, JAX
Justin Forsett, SEA
Cory Boyd, TB
Chris Taylor, HOU
Tony Hunt, PHI
Thomas Brown, ATL
Jerome Felton, DET
Jacob Hester, SD
Jerome Harrison, CLE
Xavier Omon, BUF
Andre Hall, DEN
BenJarvus Green-Ellis, NE
Marcus Thomas, SD
Brian Leonard, STL
ETA: Calhoun probably belongs near the bottom of this list too
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Jeff Tefertiller
Footballguy
Some guys I like are:
Fred Jackson
Derrick Ward
Pierre Thomas
Justin Forsett
Brian Calhoun
DeDe Dorsey
Lorenzo Booker
Darren Sproles
Some are deeper sleepers than others, but I expect one or two of these to have a good 2008.
Fred Jackson
Derrick Ward
Pierre Thomas
Justin Forsett
Brian Calhoun
DeDe Dorsey
Lorenzo Booker
Darren Sproles
Some are deeper sleepers than others, but I expect one or two of these to have a good 2008.
Lott's Fingertip
Footballguy
Alridge is some kind of deep sleeper, if his FBG player page is to be believed.... it puts him at the ripe old age of 58. :(Jeff Pasquino said:
Fred fell to Pick 142 in our 12 team PPR league and for good reason. With PPR scoring he barely broke the top 30 overall RBs last year in what was considered by many to be a great year. He's really only good for a 1 year fill-in if you drafted rookie RBs and need a guy while they develop. There's just no upside when you draft Fred these days. My advice is stay away.
Sun Tzu
Footballguy
or have MJD . . .
DawnBTVS
Footballguy
Correct. As I said, there were some exceptions but the following players all averaged 4+... (Just listing possible starters for this year in order of team. 1st name is likely starter)Edgerrin James
Michael Turner
Willis McGahee
Marshawn Lynch
DeAngelo Williams (Jonathan Stewart as a rookie may steal touches)
Matt Forte *Cedric Benson was 4.1 but has seen trouble*
Kenny Watson *Rudi Johnson was 3.9* [RBBC Situation IMO]
Jamal Lewis
*Marion Barber was 3.9* (Felix Jones & Tashard Choice may steal touches)
Selvin Young
Kevin Smith (Rookie starter)
Ryan Grant *Brandon Jackson was 3.6*
Ahman Green
Joseph Addai
Fred Taylor/Maurice Jones-Drew
Larry Johnson
Ronnie Brown *Ricky Williams was 3.5*
Adrian Peterson *Chester Taylor was 3.7*
Laurence Maroney *Sammy Morris was 3.7*
*Reggie Bush was 3.6* Pierre Thomas/Deuce McAllister
Leon Washington (4.3) *Thomas Jones was 3.3*
*Brandon Jacobs was 2.6* Ahmad Bradshaw
Justin Fargas (Darren McFadden as a rookie will steal touches)
Brian Westbrook
Willie Parker (Rashard Mendenhall will steal touches)
Frank Gore
Julius Jones *T.J. Duckett was 3.9*
Steven Jackson
Earnest Graham
LenDale White (Chris Johnson will steal touches) *Chris Henry was 3.8*
Clinton Portis
There are 31 teams listed. LT again is an exception but for the most part, running backs with sub 4.0 YPC in their rookie year have tended to struggle as a consistent, long term starting RB (Rudi Johnson only 3 seasons of 1K but will be 29, Thomas Jones only 3 seasons of 1K but will be 30).
