League trade procedural matter (1 Viewer)

[Gadfly]

In a Yahoo first-year redraft league with people who post on a non-fantasy football message board, I offered a trade last week of Jahvid Best, Larry Fitzgerald and Minn for DeAngelo Williams, Dwayne Bowe and Balt. The trade was accepted Saturday morning, the first trade made in the league. Yahoo has an automatic 48-hour delay for trades. I remember encountering this two years ago when I did a Yahoo league with people from the same message board. The commish (a different person) would manually approve these trades, given there were no objections to the trade or indication of collusion, so rosters could be set for that week's games. I expected the same to happen here, and on Saturday morning I posted a message on the league site, sent an e-mail to the commish and sent him a pm over the message board asking for the approval process to be expedited. The commish never showed up Saturday. On Saturday afternoon, I posted on the league site suggesting my trading partner posted his post-trade starting lineup there. I would do the same and the commish could update the rosters on Sunday. I posted my lineup but the trading partner did not do so. At this time Saturday, I also posted that this trade was intended to take place prior to Week 2 games and that, if it did not process prior to the games, I considered the trade invalidated.

I would never make a trade one week that didn't complete until the next week. That seems ludicrous. You trade based on what happened the previous week. So much changes during a week's games. A player involved could be knocked out for the year. Or a player can go off, as Best did in this case. In the approximately 30 fantasy football leagues I've done over 15 years, trades agreed upon late in the week were always put through prior to that week's games. If the commish wasn't around to approve the trade Saturday, we would post our new lineups for the week and the commissioner would update our rosters on Sunday. Despite Best's performance, I would like for the trade to go through for Week 2's games. Even if it costs me a win this week and hurts my team in the long term, I offered the trade based on Week 1 and would stand by it. Unfortunately, the trading partner did not post a post-trade lineup so the trade can't be put through for Week 2. The trading partner wants the trade to go through for Week 3. I say the trade was offered in Week 2, accepted in Week 2 and that I explicitly wrote Saturday that the trade was meant for Week 2 and would no longer be valid after the games were played. There were no rules established on this in the league prior, and this was the first trade accepted in the league. The commish has yet to make a decision on the outcome. What do you think should be done?

 

[ponchsox]

The trade should go through regardless of what Best did in week 2. The commish needs to be more attentive if he wants to do the job.

 

[The_Wolfman]

You actually want Jahvid Best and his 40+ points out of your lineup?

I don't see what the big deal is, just let the trade go through for week 3. None of the players involved in the trade got injured so not a whole lot has changed since week 1.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

You knew the rules going into the trade and still made the deal just hoping the new commish would handle things as the old one did? Your fault.

Go find a shirt to point to.

 

[Pnishthm]

In a Yahoo first-year redraft league with people who post on a non-fantasy football message board, I offered a trade last week of Jahvid Best, Larry Fitzgerald and Minn for DeAngelo Williams, Dwayne Bowe and Balt. The trade was accepted Saturday morning, the first trade made in the league. Yahoo has an automatic 48-hour delay for trades. I remember encountering this two years ago when I did a Yahoo league with people from the same message board. The commish (a different person) would manually approve these trades, given there were no objections to the trade or indication of collusion, so rosters could be set for that week's games. I expected the same to happen here, and on Saturday morning I posted a message on the league site, sent an e-mail to the commish and sent him a pm over the message board asking for the approval process to be expedited. The commish never showed up Saturday. On Saturday afternoon, I posted on the league site suggesting my trading partner posted his post-trade starting lineup there. I would do the same and the commish could update the rosters on Sunday. I posted my lineup but the trading partner did not do so. At this time Saturday, I also posted that this trade was intended to take place prior to Week 2 games and that, if it did not process prior to the games, I considered the trade invalidated. I would never make a trade one week that didn't complete until the next week. That seems ludicrous. You trade based on what happened the previous week. So much changes during a week's games. A player involved could be knocked out for the year. Or a player can go off, as Best did in this case. In the approximately 30 fantasy football leagues I've done over 15 years, trades agreed upon late in the week were always put through prior to that week's games. If the commish wasn't around to approve the trade Saturday, we would post our new lineups for the week and the commissioner would update our rosters on Sunday. Despite Best's performance, I would like for the trade to go through for Week 2's games. Even if it costs me a win this week and hurts my team in the long term, I offered the trade based on Week 1 and would stand by it. Unfortunately, the trading partner did not post a post-trade lineup so the trade can't be put through for Week 2. The trading partner wants the trade to go through for Week 3. I say the trade was offered in Week 2, accepted in Week 2 and that I explicitly wrote Saturday that the trade was meant for Week 2 and would no longer be valid after the games were played. There were no rules established on this in the league prior, and this was the first trade accepted in the league. The commish has yet to make a decision on the outcome. What do you think should be done?

Imo if you "explicitly wrote Saturday that the trade was meant for Week 2 and would no longer be valid after the games were played", then this trade should no go thru if not valid for the games played week 2.

 

[Captain Hook]

IF your commissioner is not going to put through trades every Saturday then the entire league should know that there is a 48 hour delay so trades would have to be made by X time/day ( presumably some time Thursday)

In this case, I think you made it clear that you expected the trade to be effective last week so if the commish is not going to backdate and fix lineups then you should have the option of cancelling the trade......of coure if you want that then your trading partner would have the same option

 

[Gadfly]

You actually want Jahvid Best and his 40+ points out of your lineup? I don't see what the big deal is, just let the trade go through for week 3. None of the players involved in the trade got injured so not a whole lot has changed since week 1.

I would actually prefer not to have Best and his 42 points in my lineup. I made this trade for Week 2 and think it should have gone through for Week 2. Unfortunately, the commish wasn't around to approve it on Saturday and the trading partner did not post his lineup so the rosters could be updated when the commish showed up Sunday. I explicitly indicated for all to see that this trade was only good for Week 2. I wouldn't make a trade if it had to be held over during the week's games. And, again, there were no league rules established on this matter beforehand.

 

[monkeysee]

Why should the 48 hour trade process be expedited? If that is the rule then every owner should have 48 hours to vote on the trade. If I were the commish then I wouldn't make special arrangements for the trade to be pushed through.

 

[Gadfly]

Why should the 48 hour trade process be expedited? If that is the rule then every owner should have 48 hours to vote on the trade. If I were the commish then I wouldn't make special arrangements for the trade to be pushed through.

That is not a league rule. That is merely Yahoo policy. No league policy was ever discussed on this matter. I posted on Saturday that this trade offer was meant for Week 2 and asked for the commissioner to approve the trade for Week 2, and explicitly wrote for all to see that the offer was for Week 2 and would not be valid if the Week 2 games were played and it had not gone through. This honestly isn't about Best's performance. I made the trade for Week 2 and would stand by it for Week 2, even if it cost me Week 2's game. But it can't be changed for Week 2 now because the trading partner did not post an updated lineup.

 

[mervis]

Why should the 48 hour trade process be expedited? If that is the rule then every owner should have 48 hours to vote on the trade. If I were the commish then I wouldn't make special arrangements for the trade to be pushed through.

That is not a league rule. That is merely Yahoo policy. No league policy was ever discussed on this matter. I posted on Saturday that this trade offer was meant for Week 2 and asked for the commissioner to approve the trade for Week 2, and explicitly wrote for all to see that the offer was for Week 2 and would not be valid if the Week 2 games were played and it had not gone through. This honestly isn't about Best's performance. I made the trade for Week 2 and would stand by it for Week 2, even if it cost me Week 2's game. But it can't be changed for Week 2 now because the trading partner did not post an updated lineup.

My policy has always been to let the computer handle this stuff. You can't baby sit everyone when you are the Commish.

 

[Gadfly]

Why should the 48 hour trade process be expedited? If that is the rule then every owner should have 48 hours to vote on the trade. If I were the commish then I wouldn't make special arrangements for the trade to be pushed through.

That is not a league rule. That is merely Yahoo policy. No league policy was ever discussed on this matter. I posted on Saturday that this trade offer was meant for Week 2 and asked for the commissioner to approve the trade for Week 2, and explicitly wrote for all to see that the offer was for Week 2 and would not be valid if the Week 2 games were played and it had not gone through. This honestly isn't about Best's performance. I made the trade for Week 2 and would stand by it for Week 2, even if it cost me Week 2's game. But it can't be changed for Week 2 now because the trading partner did not post an updated lineup.

My policy has always been to let the computer handle this stuff. You can't baby sit everyone when you are the Commish.

I'd say that's lazy commissioning and makes for a bad league. You should want to encourage trades to make for an action-filled, fun league. A lot of trades end up happening late in a week because it takes teams time to agree upon a deal. The commish should then make an effort to check in late in the week and approve trades. Even on Yahoo, the trade hasn't gone through automatically after 48 hours. It still needs commish approval even after the 48 hours are up. So what do you do, require trades to be made by Wednesday each week in order to go into effect for the weekend's games?In this case, the trade was intended for this week. I explicitly stated on Saturday that I only agreed to this trade if it took place prior to the week's games. How trades would be handled was not discussed in the league, and this was the league's first trade. Whether Best broke out or broke his leg Sunday, I stated that I wanted this trade either prior to Week 2's games or not at all.

 

[Gadfly]

Any other thoughts on this situation?

 

[bleachercreacher]

I disagree that trades are based on what happened the previous week. Trades should be made on what you think will happen the rest of the season. You knew going in that there was a 48 hour window on all trades (very bad policy). You cannot decide that you don't want to trade based on what happened week 2 since this is the yahoo policy. Having said that, it sounds like you have a lazy commish. However, you can plan on the commish putting the trade through because your previous one did if there isn't a precedent or league rule in place. IMO the trade should stand. Sounds like buyers remorse. Knowing the rules I wouldn't make a trade that wouldn't process before Sunday morning.

 

[Gadfly]

I disagree that trades are based on what happened the previous week. Trades should be made on what you think will happen the rest of the season. You knew going in that there was a 48 hour window on all trades (very bad policy). You cannot decide that you don't want to trade based on what happened week 2 since this is the yahoo policy. Having said that, it sounds like you have a lazy commish. However, you can plan on the commish putting the trade through because your previous one did if there isn't a precedent or league rule in place. IMO the trade should stand. Sounds like buyers remorse. Knowing the rules I wouldn't make a trade that wouldn't process before Sunday morning.

I honestly did not know there was a 48-hour window on trades on Yahoo. This was the first trade in the league and I hadn't done a Yahoo league for two years. It wasn't until after the trade was accepted by the other owner that I saw this delay was in place. It was unclear at that point whether the commish would approve the trade prior to Week 2 games or not, since this was never discussed. This is when I posted that the trade was meant to happen for Week 2, and that my offer was no longer good if the trade was not going to be processed until Week 3. And this was my stance prior to the game, whether Best broke out or broke his leg. This is not buyer's remorse. There were no rules in place in this league on how trades late in the week would be handled. Why do people not pay attention to the details?

 

[oso diablo]

I honestly did not know there was a 48-hour window on trades on Yahoo. This was the first trade in the league and I hadn't done a Yahoo league for two years. It wasn't until after the trade was accepted by the other owner that I saw this delay was in place. It was unclear at that point whether the commish would approve the trade prior to Week 2 games or not, since this was never discussed. This is when I posted that the trade was meant to happen for Week 2, and that my offer was no longer good if the trade was not going to be processed until Week 3. And this was my stance prior to the game, whether Best broke out or broke his leg. This is not buyer's remorse. There were no rules in place in this league on how trades late in the week would be handled. Why do people not pay attention to the details?

:mobiusstrip:

 

[dagwood]

In a Yahoo first-year redraft league with people who post on a non-fantasy football message board, I offered a trade last week of Jahvid Best, Larry Fitzgerald and Minn for DeAngelo Williams, Dwayne Bowe and Balt. The trade was accepted Saturday morning, the first trade made in the league. Yahoo has an automatic 48-hour delay for trades. I remember encountering this two years ago when I did a Yahoo league with people from the same message board. The commish (a different person) would manually approve these trades, given there were no objections to the trade or indication of collusion, so rosters could be set for that week's games. I expected the same to happen here, and on Saturday morning I posted a message on the league site, sent an e-mail to the commish and sent him a pm over the message board asking for the approval process to be expedited. The commish never showed up Saturday. On Saturday afternoon, I posted on the league site suggesting my trading partner posted his post-trade starting lineup there. I would do the same and the commish could update the rosters on Sunday. I posted my lineup but the trading partner did not do so. At this time Saturday, I also posted that this trade was intended to take place prior to Week 2 games and that, if it did not process prior to the games, I considered the trade invalidated. I would never make a trade one week that didn't complete until the next week. That seems ludicrous. You trade based on what happened the previous week. So much changes during a week's games. A player involved could be knocked out for the year. Or a player can go off, as Best did in this case. In the approximately 30 fantasy football leagues I've done over 15 years, trades agreed upon late in the week were always put through prior to that week's games. If the commish wasn't around to approve the trade Saturday, we would post our new lineups for the week and the commissioner would update our rosters on Sunday. Despite Best's performance, I would like for the trade to go through for Week 2's games. Even if it costs me a win this week and hurts my team in the long term, I offered the trade based on Week 1 and would stand by it. Unfortunately, the trading partner did not post a post-trade lineup so the trade can't be put through for Week 2. The trading partner wants the trade to go through for Week 3. I say the trade was offered in Week 2, accepted in Week 2 and that I explicitly wrote Saturday that the trade was meant for Week 2 and would no longer be valid after the games were played. There were no rules established on this in the league prior, and this was the first trade accepted in the league. The commish has yet to make a decision on the outcome. What do you think should be done?

What exactly do you expect us to about this?

 

[Gadfly]

What exactly do you expect us to about this?

I thought that was pretty clear. Give your thoughts, knowing and understanding all the details, on how you think this situation should be handled.

 

[Ignoramus]

Why do people not pay attention to the details?

You'd think that the time frame it takes for trades to processed would be something you'd want to pay attention to.

 

[davearm]

You've said repeatedly that no rules are in place to handle this situation.

Well guess what. You don't get to make rules, even where none exist.

The "this week only" condition you put on the trade was outside your authority, no matter where you declared it or when.

 

[Gadfly]

Why do people not pay attention to the details?

You'd think that the time frame it takes for trades to processed would be something you'd want to pay attention to.

Is that right. So when should I cancel offers I have out? Wednesday? Do I need to cancel offers on Tuesday to be sure that my trades don't get carried over to the following week? Because Yahoo has a 48-hour delay for challenges and then the commissioner -- who seems to be very slow to respond in this league -- still needs to approve the deal. I'd be afraid to offer a trade at all at this point. Is that what you want from your leagues? I think it's common sense that if you complete a trade, it is for that week and doesn't carry over to the next week. That's been the case in all 30 of my leagues over the past 15 years. But, in this case, I even specifically stated that this trade was meant to be processed prior to Week 2 and that the offer no longer was good if Week 2 games were played.

 

[dagwood]

Why do people not pay attention to the details?

You'd think that the time frame it takes for trades to processed would be something you'd want to pay attention to.

Is that right. So when should I cancel offers I have out? Wednesday? Do I need to cancel offers on Tuesday to be sure that my trades don't get carried over to the following week? Because Yahoo has a 48-hour delay for challenges and then the commissioner -- who seems to be very slow to respond in this league -- still needs to approve the deal. I'd be afraid to offer a trade at all at this point. Is that what you want from your leagues? I think it's common sense that if you complete a trade, it is for that week and doesn't carry over to the next week. That's been the case in all 30 of my leagues over the past 15 years. But, in this case, I even specifically stated that this trade was meant to be processed prior to Week 2 and that the offer no longer was good if Week 2 games were played.

Sounds like you want what you want regardless of what the league rules say; maybe you should set up your own league so you can set up your own rules.

 

[Gadfly]

Why do people not pay attention to the details?

You'd think that the time frame it takes for trades to processed would be something you'd want to pay attention to.

Is that right. So when should I cancel offers I have out? Wednesday? Do I need to cancel offers on Tuesday to be sure that my trades don't get carried over to the following week? Because Yahoo has a 48-hour delay for challenges and then the commissioner -- who seems to be very slow to respond in this league -- still needs to approve the deal. I'd be afraid to offer a trade at all at this point. Is that what you want from your leagues? I think it's common sense that if you complete a trade, it is for that week and doesn't carry over to the next week. That's been the case in all 30 of my leagues over the past 15 years. But, in this case, I even specifically stated that this trade was meant to be processed prior to Week 2 and that the offer no longer was good if Week 2 games were played.

Sounds like you want what you want regardless of what the league rules say; maybe you should set up your own league so you can set up your own rules.

Dude, what league rules? Do you have problems with reading comprehension?

 

[dagwood]

Why do people not pay attention to the details?

You'd think that the time frame it takes for trades to processed would be something you'd want to pay attention to.

Is that right. So when should I cancel offers I have out? Wednesday? Do I need to cancel offers on Tuesday to be sure that my trades don't get carried over to the following week? Because Yahoo has a 48-hour delay for challenges and then the commissioner -- who seems to be very slow to respond in this league -- still needs to approve the deal. I'd be afraid to offer a trade at all at this point. Is that what you want from your leagues? I think it's common sense that if you complete a trade, it is for that week and doesn't carry over to the next week. That's been the case in all 30 of my leagues over the past 15 years. But, in this case, I even specifically stated that this trade was meant to be processed prior to Week 2 and that the offer no longer was good if Week 2 games were played.

Sounds like you want what you want regardless of what the league rules say; maybe you should set up your own league so you can set up your own rules.

Dude, what league rules? Do you have problems with reading comprehension?

What league rules?1. Trade accepted by the parties2. 48 hour wait3. Approval by the commishNo where except in your mind do I see you can submit conditional lineups in the messaage board and demand that the commish approve it on your time table. Like I said; man up and start your own league and/or be the commish of this league if you want things to work according to your rules. Otherwise live with the consequences.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

I'll never understand why people come here to complain about something then act shocked when few agree with them.

 

[Gadfly]

What league rules?1. Trade accepted by the parties2. 48 hour wait3. Approval by the commishNo where except in your mind do I see you can submit conditional lineups in the messaage board and demand that the commish approve it on your time table. Like I said; man up and start your own league and/or be the commish of this league if you want things to work according to your rules. Otherwise live with the consequences.

Not one of those 3 are league rules.

 

[ZWK]

The Yahoo policies are your league rules, unless your league has an explicit agreement to do things differently. The policies for your trade review period should be right there on your league settings page. If you don't like the Yahoo policies (e.g., you want end-of-week trades to get rushed through before Sunday's games), then you need to discuss those rules ahead of time to try to get a different policy in place.

It's your job to know the rules. When you reached a trade agreement on Saturday morning (by leaving your offer open and having it accepted then), in a league with a 48 hour trade review time, you agreed to a trade that would only count for week 3. From that point on you shouldn't be able to cancel the trade. You might have been able to get the trade to count for week 2, if the other owner had wanted it to and the commish had agreed to it before the start of Sunday's games. But that didn't happen, so now you're stuck with the default Yahoo rules, which is a trade for week 3.

If you want the rules changed for future trades, you can ask your commissioner to make that change. And if you want clarification on how late in the week you can make a trade and have it still count for that week's games, you can ask your commissioner about that.

 

[billyjohnson]

In a Yahoo first-year redraft league with people who post on a non-fantasy football message board, I offered a trade last week of Jahvid Best, Larry Fitzgerald and Minn for DeAngelo Williams, Dwayne Bowe and Balt. The trade was accepted Saturday morning, the first trade made in the league. Yahoo has an automatic 48-hour delay for trades. I remember encountering this two years ago when I did a Yahoo league with people from the same message board. The commish (a different person) would manually approve these trades, given there were no objections to the trade or indication of collusion, so rosters could be set for that week's games. I expected the same to happen here, and on Saturday morning I posted a message on the league site, sent an e-mail to the commish and sent him a pm over the message board asking for the approval process to be expedited. The commish never showed up Saturday. On Saturday afternoon, I posted on the league site suggesting my trading partner posted his post-trade starting lineup there. I would do the same and the commish could update the rosters on Sunday. I posted my lineup but the trading partner did not do so. At this time Saturday, I also posted that this trade was intended to take place prior to Week 2 games and that, if it did not process prior to the games, I considered the trade invalidated. I would never make a trade one week that didn't complete until the next week. That seems ludicrous. You trade based on what happened the previous week. So much changes during a week's games. A player involved could be knocked out for the year. Or a player can go off, as Best did in this case. In the approximately 30 fantasy football leagues I've done over 15 years, trades agreed upon late in the week were always put through prior to that week's games. If the commish wasn't around to approve the trade Saturday, we would post our new lineups for the week and the commissioner would update our rosters on Sunday. Despite Best's performance, I would like for the trade to go through for Week 2's games. Even if it costs me a win this week and hurts my team in the long term, I offered the trade based on Week 1 and would stand by it. Unfortunately, the trading partner did not post a post-trade lineup so the trade can't be put through for Week 2. The trading partner wants the trade to go through for Week 3. I say the trade was offered in Week 2, accepted in Week 2 and that I explicitly wrote Saturday that the trade was meant for Week 2 and would no longer be valid after the games were played. There were no rules established on this in the league prior, and this was the first trade accepted in the league. The commish has yet to make a decision on the outcome. What do you think should be done?

So this past Thursday night, i really wanted mexican food...but my girlfriend wanted thai. So we ended up getting sushi and then went home and watched a movie. During the movie, i had about five beers and i think it had a negative effect on my sleep. But i still got about six hours.

 

[Gadfly]

For the people who have problems with reading comprehension, there were no league rules regarding trades. In the Yahoo settings, this is what appears under trade:

Max Trades: No maximum

Trade Reject Time: 2

Trade End Date: November 12, 2010

Trade Review: League Votes

I don't see any place here that indicates that if my trade were not accepted until late in the week, it would be held over until the next week. Does the trade reject time mean 2-day delay for trades? I do not know. That is unclear to me. The first time I saw that there was a 48-hour delay and that the trade would not be processed during Week 2 was after the offer was accepted by the other party. This is when I asked for the commish to expedite the trade or for it to be canceled if it were not to go through for Week 2. I asked for this regardless of what happened in Week 2.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

For the people who have problems with reading comprehension, there were no league rules regarding trades. In the Yahoo settings, this is what appears under trade:Max Trades: No maximumTrade Reject Time: 2Trade End Date: November 12, 2010Trade Review: League VotesI don't see any place here that indicates that if my trade were not accepted until late in the week, it would be held over until the next week. Does the trade reject time mean 2-day delay for trades? I do not know. That is unclear to me. The first time I saw that there was a 48-hour delay and that the trade would not be processed during Week 2 was after the offer was accepted by the other party. This is when I asked for the commish to expedite the trade or for it to be canceled if it were not to go through for Week 2. I asked for this regardless of what happened in Week 2.

What we have here...is failure...to communicate.The yahoo settings ARE your league rules unless otherwise specified. This is your fault, chief. But keep arguing against everyone who tells you you're wrong.

 

[billyjohnson]

For the people who have problems with reading comprehension, there were no league rules regarding trades. In the Yahoo settings, this is what appears under trade:Max Trades: No maximumTrade Reject Time: 2Trade End Date: November 12, 2010Trade Review: League VotesI don't see any place here that indicates that if my trade were not accepted until late in the week, it would be held over until the next week. Does the trade reject time mean 2-day delay for trades? I do not know. That is unclear to me. The first time I saw that there was a 48-hour delay and that the trade would not be processed during Week 2 was after the offer was accepted by the other party. This is when I asked for the commish to expedite the trade or for it to be canceled if it were not to go through for Week 2. I asked for this regardless of what happened in Week 2.

Not everyone logs into his team page every five minutes. Therefore, two day rule gives other owners a reasonable amount of time to view the trade and vote against it. Seriously, is it really that hard to figure out??

 

[Gadfly]

Wow. Is it not clear that the Yahoo settings page does not clearly indicate a 48-hour delay is required for trades? Can I get responses from people who weren't drinking while watching Monday Night Football?

 

[schooner44]

Just because the commissioner did not do what you wanted is not a reason to be upset. If you've played in Yahoo leagues before then you know what the rules are and you should have questioned this before the season started. This is something that could have been avoided if you were pro-active in addressing these concerns to the league as a whole. Everything went down as per the rules and you really have nothing to complain about.

 

[Gadfly]

Just because the commissioner did not do what you wanted is not a reason to be upset. If you've played in Yahoo leagues before then you know what the rules are and you should have questioned this before the season started. This is something that could have been avoided if you were pro-active in addressing these concerns to the league as a whole. Everything went down as per the rules and you really have nothing to complain about.

It's the commissioner's job to set rules. But we're finding the commish is pretty much mia. He doesn't respond to anything. He hasn't even responded to what the league payouts are yet. I played in a Yahoo league two years ago but didn't remember the 48-hour delay before the trade because it was never an issue in that league. It was a well-run league in which the commissioner approved late trades so they could apply to that week. It was after the trade was accepted that I saw the 48-hour delay and expressed my desire for the trade to take place prior to Week 2 games or not at all.

 

[billyjohnson]

Just because the commissioner did not do what you wanted is not a reason to be upset. If you've played in Yahoo leagues before then you know what the rules are and you should have questioned this before the season started. This is something that could have been avoided if you were pro-active in addressing these concerns to the league as a whole. Everything went down as per the rules and you really have nothing to complain about.

It's the commissioner's job to set rules. But we're finding the commish is pretty much mia. He doesn't respond to anything. He hasn't even responded to what the league payouts are yet. I played in a Yahoo league two years ago but didn't remember the 48-hour delay before the trade because it was never an issue in that league. It was a well-run league in which the commissioner approved late trades so they could apply to that week. It was after the trade was accepted that I saw the 48-hour delay and expressed my desire for the trade to take place prior to Week 2 games or not at all.

Well, now you have learned to read the rules BEFORE you start sending and accepting trades.

 

[ZWK]

For the people who have problems with reading comprehension, there were no league rules regarding trades. In the Yahoo settings, this is what appears under trade:

Max Trades: No maximum

Trade Reject Time: 2

Trade End Date: November 12, 2010

Trade Review: League Votes

I don't see any place here that indicates that if my trade were not accepted until late in the week, it would be held over until the next week. Does the trade reject time mean 2-day delay for trades? I do not know. That is unclear to me. The first time I saw that there was a 48-hour delay and that the trade would not be processed during Week 2 was after the offer was accepted by the other party. This is when I asked for the commish to expedite the trade or for it to be canceled if it were not to go through for Week 2. I asked for this regardless of what happened in Week 2.

Trade Reject Time: 2means that the league has 2 days (48 hours) to review the trade and decide whether to reject it. If you weren't sure about that, you could have clicked on Rules --> Trading Players, where it says "If the offer is accepted, the entire league receives email so managers/commissioners can review the deal. In a Public League, if four or more managers object within two days, it vetoes the trade. ... During the review period, trades are marked as “pending.” After the trade has been accepted and the review period has ended, Yahoo! processes the trade and updates each team's roster."

 

[blake]

I disagree that trades are based on what happened the previous week. Trades should be made on what you think will happen the rest of the season. You knew going in that there was a 48 hour window on all trades (very bad policy). You cannot decide that you don't want to trade based on what happened week 2 since this is the yahoo policy. Having said that, it sounds like you have a lazy commish. However, you can plan on the commish putting the trade through because your previous one did if there isn't a precedent or league rule in place. IMO the trade should stand. Sounds like buyers remorse. Knowing the rules I wouldn't make a trade that wouldn't process before Sunday morning.

I honestly did not know there was a 48-hour window on trades on Yahoo. This was the first trade in the league and I hadn't done a Yahoo league for two years. It wasn't until after the trade was accepted by the other owner that I saw this delay was in place. It was unclear at that point whether the commish would approve the trade prior to Week 2 games or not, since this was never discussed. This is when I posted that the trade was meant to happen for Week 2, and that my offer was no longer good if the trade was not going to be processed until Week 3. And this was my stance prior to the game, whether Best broke out or broke his leg. This is not buyer's remorse. There were no rules in place in this league on how trades late in the week would be handled. Why do people not pay attention to the details?

YOUR fault. Not the commissioner's. Not Yahoo's. Not your league's. Your fault. You should have found this out ahead of time. Though...you don't want to read that do you? You wanted everyone to agree with you, right?

You've said repeatedly that no rules are in place to handle this situation.Well guess what. You don't get to make rules, even where none exist.The "this week only" condition you put on the trade was outside your authority, no matter where you declared it or when.

 

[Lobary]

Wow. Is it not clear that the Yahoo settings page does not clearly indicate a 48-hour delay is required for trades? Can I get responses from people who weren't drinking while watching Monday Night Football?

It's as clear as day. TRADE REJECT TIME: 2

What did you think that meant, two hours?

 

[Gadfly]

Wow. Is it not clear that the Yahoo settings page does not clearly indicate a 48-hour delay is required for trades? Can I get responses from people who weren't drinking while watching Monday Night Football?

It's as clear as day. TRADE REJECT TIME: 2

What did you think that meant, two hours?

Certainly not clear. Trade Reject Time isn't even clear.

 

[The_Wolfman]

Why do I feel like this thread is destined for the FFA?

 

[blake]

Why do I feel like this thread is destined for the FFA?

i was thinking the same thing. this thread just keeps getting better and better.

 

[Lobary]

Wow. Is it not clear that the Yahoo settings page does not clearly indicate a 48-hour delay is required for trades? Can I get responses from people who weren't drinking while watching Monday Night Football?

It's as clear as day. TRADE REJECT TIME: 2

What did you think that meant, two hours?

Certainly not clear. Trade Reject Time isn't even clear.

What is unclear about the phrase "Trade Reject Time" in the context of fantasy football? Trade vetoes are one of the most widely discussed topics on these boards, so for someone who's played the game for fifteen years, those words should've been immediately understood. I can maybe see the "2" being confusing, but since the unit of measure is one of TIME, anyone with a thimble full of common sense could reasonably eliminate "seconds," "minutes," and even "hours" from consideration. That leaves "days" and "weeks" as the most likely answer. I would've guessed "days" as in TRADE REJECT TIME: 2 DAYS but that's just me.

 

[blake]

Wow. Is it not clear that the Yahoo settings page does not clearly indicate a 48-hour delay is required for trades? Can I get responses from people who weren't drinking while watching Monday Night Football?

It's as clear as day. TRADE REJECT TIME: 2

What did you think that meant, two hours?

Certainly not clear. Trade Reject Time isn't even clear.

What is unclear about the phrase "Trade Reject Time" in the context of fantasy football? Trade vetoes are one of the most widely discussed topics on these boards, so for someone who's played the game for fifteen years, those words should've been immediately understood. I can maybe see the "2" being confusing, but since the unit of measure is one of TIME, anyone with a thimble full of common sense could reasonably eliminate "seconds," "minutes," and even "hours" from consideration. That leaves "days" and "weeks" as the most likely answer. I would've guessed "days" as in TRADE REJECT TIME: 2 DAYS but that's just me.

sounds like game, set, match to me. thanks for playing, gadfly!

 

[Short Corner]

Why should the 48 hour trade process be expedited? If that is the rule then every owner should have 48 hours to vote on the trade. If I were the commish then I wouldn't make special arrangements for the trade to be pushed through.

That is not a league rule. That is merely Yahoo policy. No league policy was ever discussed on this matter. I posted on Saturday that this trade offer was meant for Week 2 and asked for the commissioner to approve the trade for Week 2, and explicitly wrote for all to see that the offer was for Week 2 and would not be valid if the Week 2 games were played and it had not gone through. This honestly isn't about Best's performance. I made the trade for Week 2 and would stand by it for Week 2, even if it cost me Week 2's game. But it can't be changed for Week 2 now because the trading partner did not post an updated lineup.

My policy has always been to let the computer handle this stuff. You can't baby sit everyone when you are the Commish.

I'd say that's lazy commissioning

Dock his pay

 

[Short Corner]

Why do people not pay attention to the details?

You'd think that the time frame it takes for trades to processed would be something you'd want to pay attention to.

Is that right. So when should I cancel offers I have out? Wednesday? Do I need to cancel offers on Tuesday to be sure that my trades don't get carried over to the following week? Because Yahoo has a 48-hour delay for challenges and then the commissioner -- who seems to be very slow to respond in this league -- still needs to approve the deal. I'd be afraid to offer a trade at all at this point. Is that what you want from your leagues? I think it's common sense that if you complete a trade, it is for that week and doesn't carry over to the next week. That's been the case in all 30 of my leagues over the past 15 years. But, in this case, I even specifically stated that this trade was meant to be processed prior to Week 2 and that the offer no longer was good if Week 2 games were played.

Sounds like you want what you want regardless of what the league rules say; maybe you should set up your own league so you can set up your own rules.

Dude, what league rules? Do you have problems with reading comprehension?

from the guy who couldn't read the trade process, ie 48 hour challenge window.

 

[Cassius]

Trade goes through. And yeah, you're just having buyer's remorse here.

 

[Cassius]

You've said repeatedly that no rules are in place to handle this situation.Well guess what. You don't get to make rules, even where none exist.The "this week only" condition you put on the trade was outside your authority, no matter where you declared it or when.

/threadNot sure if this has been mentioned yet, but pretty awful trade you made.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

at the OP's trainwreck of a thread. This really hasn't gone as you imagined, eh?

These threads shouldn't be allowed in the SP...move it to the assistant forum or the ffa where we can ridicule his inability to read.

 

[Gadfly]

Trade goes through. And yeah, you're just having buyer's remorse here.

It's not buyer's remorse when I stated before Sunday that the trade was meant to take place before Week 2 games or not at all. The trade is still not finalized. It is pending, and I revoked the offer.

 

[rdstorm]

The trade rules are in effect, regardless of what you want or post to the contrary. The commish can make exceptions, but is under no obligation to. If the waiting period is 2 days, the trade should become final in 2 days, whether it is before or after the games start for that week. You say "I never ... " but in accepting the trade, and knowing your league's rules for the trade, you did. This is a non-story... play by the rules of your league.

You cannot revoke the offer after it has been accepted.

 

[Gadfly]

The trade rules are in effect, regardless of what you want or post to the contrary. The commish can make exceptions, but is under no obligation to. If the waiting period is 2 days, the trade should become final in 2 days, whether it is before or after the games start for that week. You say "I never ... " but in accepting the trade, and knowing your league's rules for the trade, you did. This is a non-story... play by the rules of your league.You cannot revoke the offer after it has been accepted.

OK, so then because I did not know the league's rules for the trade since there were no clearly defined league rules for trading and this was the first trade made in the league, the trade should be invalidated. Thank you for backing me up.