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LeCharles Bentley out for the year (1 Viewer)

Browns upgrades:

TE: K2

WR: Joe Jurevicius

LT: Kevin Shaffer

C: Bentley (out)

NT: Ted Washington

OLB: Willie McGinest

OLB: Kamerion Wimbley

ILB: DeQuell Jackson

P: Dave Zastudil

Those are all upgrades from a year ago. The punter is actually one of the big ones. The 2005 club won 6 games, but probably would have won 1 or 2 more if not for some absolutely horrible shanked punts from Kyle Richardson a year ago.
Also remember, you're only just into training camp. if I were you, I'd control-C "(out)" and save yourself some valuable time over the next few months.
See, the Steelers are the reverse. They still have Ben, but they also lost a LOT of talent this offseason. They've slid back quite a ways. The Browns have really moved up. I would not be surprised if the Browns beat the Steelers at least once this year.
Man have I missed your fishing trips! :thumbup: One question for you BGP...Name one positional grouping on the Browns that you would take over the Steelers (i.e. QBs, WRs, O-line, etc.). For that matter name the starters from the 2006 Browns squad that would start for the 2006 Steelers. Bentley might have been it.
I'll take the Browns RBs, WRs, secondary and kicking game. And right now, we don't know how Ben Roethlisberger is going to do. Last I heard his face was half-numb and he has never played a full season yet. The guy can't stay healthy.K2, Edwards, and Droughns would would start for the Steelers. Zastudil might as well.
I am glad you are so confident in the Brownies, that way there will no excuses when they end up 4-12.
Ooh would you like to make a wager on that one? I say they win more than 4. You obviously don't.
You say the 2006 Browns are better than last year's team, I say they're worse. 7 or more wins you win. 5 wins or less I win. 6 is a push. Deal? I also believe the Steelers will win at least twice as many games as the Browns this year. You name the wager and I'm in on both.
I'll take that bet. :popcorn:
 
Hmm... first 4 weeks...

Sep 10 New Orleans (3-13) New QB

Sep 17 @Cincinnati without Palmer

Sep 24 Baltimore (6-10) New QB

Oct 1 @Oakland (4-12) New QB

I say we have a good shot at starting off 4-0
What color is the sky in your world? The "New QBs" are Brees, McNair and Brooks. They all started more games in the NFL LAST YEAR than Frye has started in his career.Pssst....Palmer's playing.

2-2, if lucky.

 
Wk 1 Saints-- W

Wk 2 @Cin-- L

Wk 3 Ravens-- W

Wk 4 @Oak-- W

Wk 5 @Car-- L

Wk 7 Den-- L

Wk 8 Jets-- W

Wk 9 @SD-- L

Wk 10 @ATL-- L

Wk 11 Pit-- L

Wk 12 Cin-- W

Wk 13 KC-- L

Wk 14 @Pit-- L

Wk 15 @Bal-- L

Wk 16 Bucs-- W (Cleveland in December will not be good for the Bucs)

Wk 17 @Tex-- W

7-9

ETA: For what it's worth, after looking at all the schedules for the division, the Steelers win the North easily. It's not out of the question that the Bengals could start out 1-6, with the only win coming against the Browns, and losses vs. @KC, @Pit, NE, @TB, Car, and ATL. The Ravens could potentially start 2-5. With Pit's schedule, they could have the division all but locked up by week 10.

Just typing that makes me want to hurl. :X

 
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Hmm... first 4 weeks...

Sep 10 New Orleans (3-13) New QB

Sep 17 @Cincinnati without Palmer

Sep 24 Baltimore (6-10) New QB

Oct 1 @Oakland (4-12) New QB

I say we have a good shot at starting off 4-0
What color is the sky in your world? The "New QBs" are Brees, McNair and Brooks. They all started more games in the NFL LAST YEAR than Frye has started in his career.Pssst....Palmer's playing.

2-2, if lucky.
If Palmer Plays then the Bengals officially have the dumbest coach on the face of the earth. He injured 3 ligaments to Braylon's 1, they had surgeries at about the same time and until a couple of days ago, guys were saying that Braylon wouldn't see the field this year. If they put him in too early he'll be knocked out for the season on the first sack.As far as the teams with new QB's go, they could have all gotten Peyton Manning and still it would take some time for everyone to get in sink. It took Brees Years to finally show something in San Diego. Everyone will be coming after Mcnair, since no one repects Lewis anymore and Brooks couldn't win with Mccallister/Horn/Stallworth there's no guarantee that he can with Jordan and Moss.

Like I said, I like our shot the first 4 weeks.

 
to make things worse for the Browns' OLine:

Browns | Tucker leaning to surgery

Published Sun Jul 30 10:04:00 p.m. ET 2006

(KFFL) The Associated Press reports Cleveland Browns OT Ryan Tucker (knee) says he'll probably have minor surgery on his left knee Monday, July 31, but he expects to be back in time for the team's season opener Sunday, Sept. 10. Tucker said he won't know until Monday whether he'll have arthroscopic surgery.

 
to make things worse for the Browns' OLine:

Browns | Tucker leaning to surgery

Published Sun Jul 30 10:04:00 p.m. ET 2006

(KFFL) The Associated Press reports Cleveland Browns OT Ryan Tucker (knee) says he'll probably have minor surgery on his left knee Monday, July 31, but he expects to be back in time for the team's season opener Sunday, Sept. 10. Tucker said he won't know until Monday whether he'll have arthroscopic surgery.
Yeah, I saw that, but from reports, it sounds like they are cleaning out some cartilage. I don't think it's anything to worry about. I was at the training camp where he walked off the field and he didn't even have a limp.
 
Browns | Chambers to see bulk of work at right tackle

Published Mon Jul 31 12:13:00 a.m. ET 2006

(KFFL) Patrick McManamon, of the Akron Beacon Journal, reports Cleveland Browns OT Kirk Chambers will receive the bulk of the workload at right tackle while OT Ryan Tucker (knee) is out of action.

 
Wk 1 Saints-- W...not so sure

Wk 2 @Cin-- L

Wk 3 Ravens-- W...not so sure

Wk 4 @Oak-- W...travel cross country

Wk 5 @Car-- L

Wk 7 Den-- L

Wk 8 Jets-- W...Jets might be loking at this as a possible win too

Wk 9 @SD-- L

Wk 10 @ATL-- L

Wk 11 Pit-- L

Wk 12 Cin-- W...really?

Wk 13 KC-- L

Wk 14 @Pit-- L

Wk 15 @Bal-- L

Wk 16 Bucs-- W (Cleveland in December will not be good for the Bucs)...agreed

Wk 17 @Tex-- W...coin flip

7-9...perhaps but I could also see them going 4-12 or 3-13 pretty easily...Frye is nothing certain under Center. The Center who put the ball in motion every play has gone down...he was handing it off to a QB with very little real NFL experience...this team is in a real crisis mode on offense. Romeo knows defenses...not so sure he grasps the inner workings of an offense. 

Cleveland must look like world beaters on defense in practice.

ETA: For what it's worth, after looking at all the schedules for the division, the Steelers win the North easily. It's not out of the question that the Bengals could start out 1-6, with the only win coming against the Browns, and losses vs. @KC, @Pit, NE, @TB, Car,  and ATL.  The Ravens could potentially start 2-5. With Pit's schedule, they could have the division all but locked up by week 10.

Just typing that makes me want to hurl. :X
 
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ETA: For what it's worth, after looking at all the schedules for the division, the Steelers win the North easily. It's not out of the question that the Bengals could start out 1-6, with the only win coming against the Browns, and losses vs. @KC, @Pit, NE, @TB, Car, and ATL. The Ravens could potentially start 2-5. With Pit's schedule, they could have the division all but locked up by week 10.

Just typing that makes me want to hurl. :X
One of the interesting things about the Super Bowl is that it usually highlights a weakness in the losing club that no-one noticed before. But Super Bowl XL was unique - you didn't come away discovering a flaw in the Seawhawks. You came away discovering flaws in the Steelers. In this case, its the Steelers' DL.We saw in Super Bowl XL that the Steelers' DL can be dominated. They got manhandled by the Seahawks' OL. Hasselbeck had all day to throw and they blew open huge holes for Alexander to run thru all day. This is a copycat league, and teams will look at that tape and start to figure things out.

And that front seven got weaker this offseason.

 
Wk 1 Saints-- W...not so sure

Wk 2 @Cin-- L

Wk 3 Ravens-- W...not so sure

Wk 4 @Oak-- W...travel cross country

Wk 5 @Car-- L

Wk 7 Den-- L

Wk 8 Jets-- W...Jets might be loking at this as a possible win too

Wk 9 @SD-- L

Wk 10 @ATL-- L

Wk 11 Pit-- L

Wk 12 Cin-- W...really?

Wk 13 KC-- L

Wk 14 @Pit-- L

Wk 15 @Bal-- L

Wk 16 Bucs-- W (Cleveland in December will not be good for the Bucs)...agreed

Wk 17 @Tex-- W...coin flip

7-9...perhaps but I could also see them going 4-12 or 3-13 pretty easily...Frye is nothing certain under Center. The Center who put the ball in motion every play has gone down...he was handing it off to a QB with very little real NFL experience...this team is in a real crisis mode on offense. Romeo knows defenses...not so sure he grasps the inner workings of an offense. 

Cleveland must look like world beaters on defense in practice.

ETA: For what it's worth, after looking at all the schedules for the division, the Steelers win the North easily. It's not out of the question that the Bengals could start out 1-6, with the only win coming against the Browns, and losses vs. @KC, @Pit, NE, @TB, Car,  and ATL.  The Ravens could potentially start 2-5. With Pit's schedule, they could have the division all but locked up by week 10.

Just typing that makes me want to hurl. :X
Obviously, the browns have no "lock" wins. If they were facing the Saints later in the season, I'd be more concerned. The Ravens O-line is brutal, and I think they'll be able to rough up McNair. Oakland is doable, even with a long trip. The Jets probably are hoping for a win, but they're one of, if not the, worst team in the league. As far as Cincy, the Browns usually comport themselves reasonably well vs. division rivals, other than Pit, so I expect a split vs Bal and Cin.Frye took a grand total of maybe >50 snaps from Bentley. obviously losing him hurts, but the team had a net gain over last year. I also don't believe Crennell will allow the team to fall apart to a 3 or 4 win season.

 
One of the interesting things about the Super Bowl is that it usually highlights a weakness in the losing club that no-one noticed before. But Super Bowl XL was unique - you didn't come away discovering a flaw in the Seawhawks. You came away discovering flaws in the Steelers. In this case, its the Steelers' DL.

We saw in Super Bowl XL that the Steelers' DL can be dominated. They got manhandled by the Seahawks' OL. Hasselbeck had all day to throw and they blew open huge holes for Alexander to run thru all day. This is a copycat league, and teams will look at that tape and start to figure things out.

And that front seven got weaker this offseason.
in case you were unaware, Seattle had one of the best OLines in the league last year.
 
to make things worse for the Browns' OLine:

Browns | Tucker leaning to surgery 

Published Sun Jul 30 10:04:00 p.m. ET 2006

(KFFL) The Associated Press reports Cleveland Browns OT Ryan Tucker (knee) says he'll probably have minor surgery on his left knee Monday, July 31, but he expects to be back in time for the team's season opener Sunday, Sept. 10. Tucker said he won't know until Monday whether he'll have arthroscopic surgery.
Yeah, I saw that, but from reports, it sounds like they are cleaning out some cartilage. I don't think it's anything to worry about. I was at the training camp where he walked off the field and he didn't even have a limp.
doesn't sound serious, but it could be something that keeps flaring up on him as the season progresses.
 
Wk 1 Saints-- W...not so sure

Wk 2 @Cin-- L

Wk 3 Ravens-- W...not so sure

Wk 4 @Oak-- W...travel cross country

Wk 5 @Car-- L

Wk 7 Den-- L

Wk 8 Jets-- W...Jets might be loking at this as a possible win too

Wk 9 @SD-- L

Wk 10 @ATL-- L

Wk 11 Pit-- L

Wk 12 Cin-- W...really?

Wk 13 KC-- L

Wk 14 @Pit-- L

Wk 15 @Bal-- L

Wk 16 Bucs-- W (Cleveland in December will not be good for the Bucs)...agreed

Wk 17 @Tex-- W...coin flip

7-9...perhaps but I could also see them going 4-12 or 3-13 pretty easily...Frye is nothing certain under Center. The Center who put the ball in motion every play has gone down...he was handing it off to a QB with very little real NFL experience...this team is in a real crisis mode on offense. Romeo knows defenses...not so sure he grasps the inner workings of an offense. 

Cleveland must look like world beaters on defense in practice.

ETA: For what it's worth, after looking at all the schedules for the division, the Steelers win the North easily. It's not out of the question that the Bengals could start out 1-6, with the only win coming against the Browns, and losses vs. @KC, @Pit, NE, @TB, Car,  and ATL.  The Ravens could potentially start 2-5. With Pit's schedule, they could have the division all but locked up by week 10.

Just typing that makes me want to hurl. :X
the browns traveled cross country last year, and with frye @ qb beat the raidersno reason they couldn't do it again

 
ETA: For what it's worth, after looking at all the schedules for the division, the Steelers win the North easily. It's not out of the question that the Bengals could start out 1-6, with the only win coming against the Browns, and losses vs. @KC, @Pit, NE, @TB, Car,  and ATL.  The Ravens could potentially start 2-5. With Pit's schedule, they could have the division all but locked up by week 10.

Just typing that makes me want to hurl. :X
One of the interesting things about the Super Bowl is that it usually highlights a weakness in the losing club that no-one noticed before. But Super Bowl XL was unique - you didn't come away discovering a flaw in the Seawhawks. You came away discovering flaws in the Steelers. In this case, its the Steelers' DL.We saw in Super Bowl XL that the Steelers' DL can be dominated. They got manhandled by the Seahawks' OL. Hasselbeck had all day to throw and they blew open huge holes for Alexander to run thru all day. This is a copycat league, and teams will look at that tape and start to figure things out.

And that front seven got weaker this offseason.
You mean the game where Hasselbeck was sacked 3 times and was flushed out of the pocket on a number of other occasions? And one of those sacks came from Casey Hampton, who literally threw Tobeck aside with one arm? You're a master fisherman, but let's get real here. No one expected the Steelers to generate pressure from the DL (or even from LB) on Walter Jones' side of the ball. The guy is as good as it gets, and an elite OT's job is to ensure that his QB doesn't get touched. He did his job. On the other side, Clark Haggans owned Locklear all day long, continually beating him to the edge to the point where he recorded one sack, and forced blatant holding on another play which wiped out a huge gain by Seattle.As far as the running game goes, Seattle did a terrific job of softening up the run defense by being effective with quick throws and timing patterns, which focred Troy off the line. Kudos to them for that, but it's nothing new - teams have been employing this strategy against Pittsburgh for years (take a look at the stats for the Oakland and New England games in 2002.) Many have tried, but only some teams can do it effectively. Now that Pittsburgh has upgraded its secondary, it's also tougher to achieve - notice how Seattle's offense bogged down some after early success. They also had the best RB and one of the best run-blocking OLs in the league last year. Not many teams can duplicate that success. It's not like teams haven't tried to run on Pittsburgh - they just had the lowest ypc allowed of any team in the NFL last year.

And you cannot say the front seven got weaker - Keisel was excellent when on the field last year, they didn't miss a beat with him in the game as opposed to von Oelhoffen. that's the ONLY personnel change - which may even be a change for the better, we don't know yet.

 
ETA: For what it's worth, after looking at all the schedules for the division, the Steelers win the North easily. It's not out of the question that the Bengals could start out 1-6, with the only win coming against the Browns, and losses vs. @KC, @Pit, NE, @TB, Car, and ATL. The Ravens could potentially start 2-5. With Pit's schedule, they could have the division all but locked up by week 10.

Just typing that makes me want to hurl. :X
One of the interesting things about the Super Bowl is that it usually highlights a weakness in the losing club that no-one noticed before. But Super Bowl XL was unique - you didn't come away discovering a flaw in the Seawhawks. You came away discovering flaws in the Steelers. In this case, its the Steelers' DL.We saw in Super Bowl XL that the Steelers' DL can be dominated. They got manhandled by the Seahawks' OL. Hasselbeck had all day to throw and they blew open huge holes for Alexander to run thru all day. This is a copycat league, and teams will look at that tape and start to figure things out.

And that front seven got weaker this offseason.
You do realize that the Steelers won the game? According to you the sky is falling in Pittsburgh because they lost Kimo, Hope, and Randle El, yet the Browns roster is revamped with Pro Bowlers. Charlie Fry is not the answer at qb. My brother works with his uncle and his uncle stated that Charlie was literally scarred ####less last yr when he faced the Steelers. He didn't even want to play in that game Not an attribute I would want in my qb leading my team.
 
This team may not win 4 games this year.

BROWNS CAMP

More pain, no gain Hallen's injury depletes line again

Tuesday, August 08, 2006

Tony Grossi

Plain Dealer Reporter

The Browns are down to their third center after Bob Hallen suffered back spasms on Monday and missed the evening practice.

They concluded the day with Alonzo Ephraim, a fourth-year player signed a week ago, as the No. 1 center snapping to quarterback Charlie Frye.

Hallen participated in the morning practice apparently without incident. Some time during the afternoon, Hallen experienced back spasms and was examined by a team physician.

Coach Romeo Crennel said after the evening session he had no new information because he had not talked with the team doctor.

Hallen had a "back issue" at San Diego before he joined the Browns, Crennel said.

Hallen, a nine-year pro from Mentor and Kent State, was signed in free agency to serve as a veteran backup at guard and center. He was thrust into the starting center position when LeCharles Bentley, the prize of the Browns' free agency spending spree, suffered a torn patellar tendon on the second practice day on July 27.

Bentley, who had surgery last week, is out for the season. Hallen's injury will keep him out indefinitely.

The Browns play their first preseason game Thursday in Philadelphia.

Since Hallen's promotion, the Browns had been seeking to bolster their depth at center and guard with a veteran swingman.

They brought in Ephraim, who previously played with Philadelphia, and Todd Washington, most recently with Houston. Washington retired on Sunday.

The Browns added another center candidate, Mike Mabry, on Sunday. He was originally a seventh-round draft choice of Baltimore and also spent time with Cincinnati and Atlanta. He has not appeared in an NFL game in three years.

Hallen's injury puts the situation into crisis mode.

"We'll have to do our homework, see what's available and go from there," Crennel said.

General Manager Phil Savage, the eternal optimist fighting to keep injuries from decimating his team's morale, may now have to amp up efforts to trade for a center.

"Every team's got one or two guys [who may be available], but it depends on if you've got something they want," he said.

Savage is loathe to part with future draft picks, but he may have no other choice. That is, if he can find a team willing to part with a center. Starting-caliber centers just don't become available at the snap of a finger.

That's why Savage had been content to ride out the Bentley injury with Hallen and seek a backup.

Ephraim, 25, made five starts in 40 career games with Philadelphia. All were at right guard. He was signed by the Eagles in 2003 as an undrafted free agent from Alabama.

The center playing behind Ephraim on Monday was Rob Smith, who was signed in May as an undrafted free agent from Tennessee. Smith has been involved in numerous bad exchanges with the backup quarterbacks, mostly Derek Anderson.

"Rob's kind of like me," Crennel said earlier in the day. "When he gets hot and sweaty, he perspires quite a bit and sometimes it drips on the ball. During this camp, with the heat and humidity, he is perspiring on the ball and the quarterback isn't quite ready for it in those instances."

Besides Bentley and Hallen, the Browns will be without right tackle Ryan Tucker throughout the preseason. Tucker had arthroscopic surgery last week to clean out loose particles in his left knee. They also have lost rookie guard Isaac Sowells indefinitely with an ankle injury.

To reach this Plain Dealer reporter:

tgrossi@plaind.com, 216-999-4670
 

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