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If the line isn't blocking and the WRs aren't catching the ball, who cares if it's Ryan Leaf or Joe Montana throwing it? I thought he played, and has played, fairly well so far and his stats from MNF are absolutely not his fault. Lefty may be better, who knows, but Joey was doing a very serviceable job in there and unless Lefty goes in there and lights it up like crazy then it's just a change for the sake of change and not at the right position.
My this sounds awfully familiar. If Vick were the QB, you'd be called a Vick apologist.
mad sweeney said:
My biggest problem with this it's not that they made a change, it's that they made the WRONG change. How can you stand in front of the press and talk about trying to find a spark, and not make the RB change? ESPECIALLY after the Monday night game? They had 35 yards rushing without Norwoods big play. 35 yards. And you change QBs? Insanity.I'm also wondering if Crumpler might be a huge buy low potential (back to back 0 pt weeks). Any thoughts?
I don't see why it would. Lefty has never been the kind of guy to dump it off to the TE. He likes to over use his inaccurate cannon of an arm and throw down the field.Crumpler is just gonna have to suck it up and realize he doesn't have Vick there any more.
Seems that Crumpler was always more of downfield type of receiver than a dump off TE....at least with Vick at QB. I think he needs someone who can throw it farther than Joey......Harrington throws a terrible ball with no touch. That's why receivers drop so many. It's high or low, or too fast...or too much air under it. He has his moments but that is it....I've seen all his tricks.I don't see why it would. Lefty has never been the kind of guy to dump it off to the TE. He likes to over use his inaccurate cannon of an arm and throw down the field.Crumpler is just gonna have to suck it up and realize he doesn't have Vick there any more.
Hey, we'll take him in Seattle. We love us some Crumplers in the Pac NW and Matt knows how to use the TE. Brother Carlester was a long time Hawk and we have his cousin Shaun Crumpler "running" the ball for us now. Bring on Algernon!!!I don't see why it would. Lefty has never been the kind of guy to dump it off to the TE. He likes to over use his inaccurate cannon of an arm and throw down the field.Crumpler is just gonna have to suck it up and realize he doesn't have Vick there any more.
blah blah blah..hits receivers in 2 hands..blah blah blah. These are professional WRs, many of whom had dropsies with Vick in there. With the money these guys make, if they get the ball on both hands they should catch it. The drops they had Monday night were flat out stone handed drops. When your QB is on the run and winging it he doesn't always have time to buter it up and serve it soft and in stride. But the drops I saw Monday would make even Seattle fans feel sorry for Joey. Of the 7 drops I saw, only one of them looked like it would've beena tough catch.Seems that Crumpler was always more of downfield type of receiver than a dump off TE....at least with Vick at QB. I think he needs someone who can throw it farther than Joey......Harrington throws a terrible ball with no touch. That's why receivers drop so many. It's high or low, or too fast...or too much air under it. He has his moments but that is it....I've seen all his tricks.I don't see why it would. Lefty has never been the kind of guy to dump it off to the TE. He likes to over use his inaccurate cannon of an arm and throw down the field.Crumpler is just gonna have to suck it up and realize he doesn't have Vick there any more.
Algernon!? Sounds like a villain from the PowerRangers.Hey, we'll take him in Seattle. We love us some Crumplers in the Pac NW and Matt knows how to use the TE. Brother Carlester was a long time Hawk and we have his cousin Shaun Crumpler "running" the ball for us now. Bring on Algernon!!!I don't see why it would. Lefty has never been the kind of guy to dump it off to the TE. He likes to over use his inaccurate cannon of an arm and throw down the field.Crumpler is just gonna have to suck it up and realize he doesn't have Vick there any more.
I find it difficult to believe that they're tanking the season, but I haven't got a better explanation. Is there any room on the Patriots bandwagon?
If you're buying, I'm selling. The guy is worthless this season regardless of where the blame lies. The strategy of waiting for a TE kicked me square in the jimmy this year.
I hear ya, but Leftwich was cut for a reason. I'm only saying that of the three, Joey is the best option. I actually wanted them to make a move for Derek Anderson before the season started, while the Browns still thought Frye might be worth something.
As I understand it Lefty was cut because he didn't get along with Del rio. Not to mention harrington has been cut not by one team but two teams. I have to agree that it's ridicuous for ppl to act as if harrington was a godsend and leftwhich is a scrub. I don't know if lefty is the answer but IMO there's no question he's a better option than harrington. The only thing I wonder about is why it took them so long to make the switch. BTW redmon did have a 4,000 yard season in the year petrino was his qb coach so I'd keep an eye on him also.
Joey Harrington has a fairly large sample set to look at and his numbers are not just bad, they are horrendous.Leftwich has at least played respectable. In no way is Joey harrington a better option.
And what reason was that?
Good info. My point on the slow release is that he's going to killed, just like Joey did for holding the ball too long. Difference being Joey sometimes held the ball too long, Leftwich always has a slow release. Again, not a Jags expert, but I suspect the Jags O-Line is considerably better than Atlanta's.Again, my main point here is the Falcons are replacing the steering wheel when they have a flat tire. Maybe I'm dead wrong on Lefty, and that's fine, won't be the first time. But it's the running game that's broken, and saying your "looking for a spark" and not giving Norwood a shot to carry the load is just silly in my mind. Or to put it another way, you just put up 35 yards and you're replacing you're QB.
And by they way, as to your sig: 2!
I don't think that anyone is arguing that. At least I haven't been. What is being said is that Harrington has not been the problem with the Atlanta O. Regardless of his past, this season he isn't in the top 3 problems with the O.
is half full kind of guy.
White stands to LOSE the most. He has been Harrington's go to guy; will he be Leftys? Who knows? It is not like he is a proven stud WR whose reputation demands that the QB get him the ball regularly. It is not uncommon for new QBs to be more comfortable with different guys. Since White has been getting the most, he stands to lose the most and it is hard to see how it can help him unless you think Leftwich is a ton better than Harrington, and I don't.
Joey isnt very mobile. Maybe the think is that Lefty could just run the ball ala vick.
This makes perfect sense! After all, they're both black, right?
Hehe. Somebody hasn't seen Leftwich. He makes Joey look like Vick.
Leftwich has a strong arm and can make all the throws easily. He's more accurate than most on medium to deep balls but sometimes has trouble with taking something off the ball in the short passing game. He also trend to throw a lot of balls away, which is reflected in his completion percentage. In Jacksonville, the WRs had trouble getting open and Byron often would survey the field and find no one open, feel the rush and throw the ball into the ground or over a WRs head or behind a WR. Some fans locally have seen this and decided that Byron doesn't have an accurate arm. But the reality(at least according to me) is that Byron often didn't want the ball close to the WR in the first place, he's was just getting rid of the ball to avoid a sack because there was no good option. Byron's biggest stength or weakness, and what may eventually determine his future as an NFL QB, is that like a Brett Favre, Byron is not at all afraid to throw the ball into a small window. He has no problem trusting his arm strength and accuracy on what appears to be dangerous throw into coverage. When Byron finds a WR he trusts, he'll continue to target that WR, even into coverage as long he feels there's even a small opening. That's why I'd keep a close eye on targets this week, if Byron plays well whoever becomes his go to guy would have a very big upside fantasy wise moving forward.
Um, what? Leftwich is one of the most immobile QBs in the league. An unbelievably ignorant comment.captbly said:
It is a fantasy football faux pas to mention Jimmy Smith and Roddy White in the same breath.
I disagree that White was the go-to guy though he should be. He averages only 1.3 targets more per game than Jenkins and they both have 3 red-zone looks. Harrington's propensity to bolt the pocket at the slightest pressure and inability to make quick decisions forced him to more underneath and intermediate stuff.I believe Leftwich's ability to make plays downfield and the ability to make better reads will help White the most. I'm tempering my enthusiasm however since all of these WR (with the exception of Horn, too bad he can be covered by lamppost nowadays) absolutely do have stone hands.az_prof said:
White did have some serious skillet hands, but has very few drops this year, done a really good job, despite a drop Monday night. Horn has joined the stone hands group tho, dropping a surefire TD against CAR and a key 1st down against NYG, among others. He needs to move to number 3-4 and give Robinson a shot, IMO.Interesting target numbers, I thought the targets were a lot more in White's favor. Catches certainly have been.
I don't disagree with all you've said here, but keep in mind that Leftwich has a winning record on what has been widely-regarded as one of the most physically dominant teams in the NFL the last few years, and that that team appears to be better off without him. Harrington has never been on a remotely good team.I still think they made the right move to go with Leftwich, but the gap isn't as big as you might think.
