Leinart's Partying Worries Cards (1 Viewer)

[Banger]

I don't know why people can't seem to understand that this guy is supposed to be the face of the franchise, a leader of their team and has been paid millions of dollars for that priviledge. As a guy, sure who wouldn't want to be partying with a bunch of girls in a hot tub but you also have to have some responsibility to not put yourself into situations that could give you or your employer negative PR. That's the issue.If he wants to hang up the cleats and go out and party all the time more power to him but as a professional athlete, especially a QB drafted at the top of the draft, you are expected to make the correct decisions on and off the field. Also, this is not a one off event and he has been rumored to have these issues in the past. I'm sure that the coach's have talked to him about it and I'm sure Leinart said he would comply and when in the early days of the offseason a coach sees that the leopard hasn't changed his spots he gets annoyed. I can understand that. Lets not go crazy here either, it's not spygate, he didn't rape anyone, it was just bad judgement. He's young, hopefully he'll learn to have his girlfriends check their camera phones at the door from now on....

Exactly. Good post.

I disagree....it's a job as a NFL player. He's not a Priest and what he did wasn't illegal in anyway. In fact, it was responsible, he wasn't out driving around like so many others. This has made more news than guys who get DUI's.

A job as an NFL player is different than a job at Walmart, especially for a highly drafted, highly paid, poorly playing QB. Personal conduct does count, in fact they have clauses written in their contracts stating what you can/can't do. I can ride a motorcycle, many NFL players cannot. I don't want to go too nuts with this because in the grand scheme of things it's not that big of a deal but you do owe respect to your boss and employers especially if you expect to be a starting QB for them. If they ask you to do things and you don't listen or respect them then you can't expect the same from them. This isn't a legal issue, it's a PR issue and an issue that the Cards shouldn't have to deal with.

 

[Jason Wood]

I don't know why people can't seem to understand that this guy is supposed to be the face of the franchise, a leader of their team and has been paid millions of dollars for that priviledge. As a guy, sure who wouldn't want to be partying with a bunch of girls in a hot tub but you also have to have some responsibility to not put yourself into situations that could give you or your employer negative PR. That's the issue.If he wants to hang up the cleats and go out and party all the time more power to him but as a professional athlete, especially a QB drafted at the top of the draft, you are expected to make the correct decisions on and off the field. Also, this is not a one off event and he has been rumored to have these issues in the past. I'm sure that the coach's have talked to him about it and I'm sure Leinart said he would comply and when in the early days of the offseason a coach sees that the leopard hasn't changed his spots he gets annoyed. I can understand that. Lets not go crazy here either, it's not spygate, he didn't rape anyone, it was just bad judgement. He's young, hopefully he'll learn to have his girlfriends check their camera phones at the door from now on....

Exactly. Good post.

I disagree....it's a job as a NFL player. He's not a Priest and what he did wasn't illegal in anyway. In fact, it was responsible, he wasn't out driving around like so many others. This has made more news than guys who get DUI's.

A job as an NFL player is different than a job at Walmart, especially for a highly drafted, highly paid, poorly playing QB. Personal conduct does count, in fact they have clauses written in their contracts stating what you can/can't do. I can ride a motorcycle, many NFL players cannot. I don't want to go too nuts with this because in the grand scheme of things it's not that big of a deal but you do owe respect to your boss and employers especially if you expect to be a starting QB for them. If they ask you to do things and you don't listen or respect them then you can't expect the same from them. This isn't a legal issue, it's a PR issue and an issue that the Cards shouldn't have to deal with.

What this really means is that Leinart needs to be smarter about who he lets in his house. Someone had a camera/cameraphone and was using it liberally. That was his mistake.

 

[raidergil]

Good thing for guys like Namath & Stabler the Internet wasn't around in the 70s.

 

[Jason Wood]

Good thing for guys like Namath & Stabler the Internet wasn't around in the 70s.

Imagine the grief Parcells would get today handling LT the way he did? The media and fandom would've driven LT to a lifetime suspension long before he had a chance to build his HOF resume.

 

[Banger]

I don't know why people can't seem to understand that this guy is supposed to be the face of the franchise, a leader of their team and has been paid millions of dollars for that priviledge. As a guy, sure who wouldn't want to be partying with a bunch of girls in a hot tub but you also have to have some responsibility to not put yourself into situations that could give you or your employer negative PR. That's the issue.If he wants to hang up the cleats and go out and party all the time more power to him but as a professional athlete, especially a QB drafted at the top of the draft, you are expected to make the correct decisions on and off the field. Also, this is not a one off event and he has been rumored to have these issues in the past. I'm sure that the coach's have talked to him about it and I'm sure Leinart said he would comply and when in the early days of the offseason a coach sees that the leopard hasn't changed his spots he gets annoyed. I can understand that. Lets not go crazy here either, it's not spygate, he didn't rape anyone, it was just bad judgement. He's young, hopefully he'll learn to have his girlfriends check their camera phones at the door from now on....

Exactly. Good post.

I disagree....it's a job as a NFL player. He's not a Priest and what he did wasn't illegal in anyway. In fact, it was responsible, he wasn't out driving around like so many others. This has made more news than guys who get DUI's.

A job as an NFL player is different than a job at Walmart, especially for a highly drafted, highly paid, poorly playing QB. Personal conduct does count, in fact they have clauses written in their contracts stating what you can/can't do. I can ride a motorcycle, many NFL players cannot. I don't want to go too nuts with this because in the grand scheme of things it's not that big of a deal but you do owe respect to your boss and employers especially if you expect to be a starting QB for them. If they ask you to do things and you don't listen or respect them then you can't expect the same from them. This isn't a legal issue, it's a PR issue and an issue that the Cards shouldn't have to deal with.

What this really means is that Leinart needs to be smarter about who he lets in his house. Someone had a camera/cameraphone and was using it liberally. That was his mistake.

I think that's the issue, you have a responsibility to know who you are associating with. Again, he wasn't hanging with drug dealers and I don't want to come down all high and mighty because I can totally understand. I'm in my late 30's and I go on guys weekends and wouldn't want cameras around but I'm not a professional athlete and I haven't been told by my boss to be on good behaviour. If I had been warned by my boss to keep my nose clean and that he didn't want to read my name in the papers for my antics you could bet that I'd be a little more careful about what I was doing and who I was doing it with and I certainly wouldn't be snapping pictures....

 

[Jason Wood]

I don't know why people can't seem to understand that this guy is supposed to be the face of the franchise, a leader of their team and has been paid millions of dollars for that priviledge. As a guy, sure who wouldn't want to be partying with a bunch of girls in a hot tub but you also have to have some responsibility to not put yourself into situations that could give you or your employer negative PR. That's the issue.If he wants to hang up the cleats and go out and party all the time more power to him but as a professional athlete, especially a QB drafted at the top of the draft, you are expected to make the correct decisions on and off the field. Also, this is not a one off event and he has been rumored to have these issues in the past. I'm sure that the coach's have talked to him about it and I'm sure Leinart said he would comply and when in the early days of the offseason a coach sees that the leopard hasn't changed his spots he gets annoyed. I can understand that. Lets not go crazy here either, it's not spygate, he didn't rape anyone, it was just bad judgement. He's young, hopefully he'll learn to have his girlfriends check their camera phones at the door from now on....

Exactly. Good post.

I disagree....it's a job as a NFL player. He's not a Priest and what he did wasn't illegal in anyway. In fact, it was responsible, he wasn't out driving around like so many others. This has made more news than guys who get DUI's.

A job as an NFL player is different than a job at Walmart, especially for a highly drafted, highly paid, poorly playing QB. Personal conduct does count, in fact they have clauses written in their contracts stating what you can/can't do. I can ride a motorcycle, many NFL players cannot. I don't want to go too nuts with this because in the grand scheme of things it's not that big of a deal but you do owe respect to your boss and employers especially if you expect to be a starting QB for them. If they ask you to do things and you don't listen or respect them then you can't expect the same from them. This isn't a legal issue, it's a PR issue and an issue that the Cards shouldn't have to deal with.

What this really means is that Leinart needs to be smarter about who he lets in his house. Someone had a camera/cameraphone and was using it liberally. That was his mistake.

I think that's the issue, you have a responsibility to know who you are associating with. Again, he wasn't hanging with drug dealers and I don't want to come down all high and mighty because I can totally understand. I'm in my late 30's and I go on guys weekends and wouldn't want cameras around but I'm not a professional athlete and I haven't been told by my boss to be on good behaviour. If I had been warned by my boss to keep my nose clean and that he didn't want to read my name in the papers for my antics you could bet that I'd be a little more careful about what I was doing and who I was doing it with and I certainly wouldn't be snapping pictures....

Yep.Fans want the best of both worlds. They want to think their favorite athletes are not only great at their sport, but that they also transcend the normal flaws that come with being young, wealthy, and pampered. I remember a few years ago when George Steinbrenner and members of the NY media tried taking Derek Jeter to task for partying too much. Was it a coincidence that those complaints came after the Yankees stopped winning World Series rings? Nope. Last time I checked, Jeter was dating starlet after starlet and partying it up in NY's hotspots throughout the run of W. Series titles, too...but then it was just "letting off a little steam." Michael Jordan, quite possibly STILL the most popular athlete in the world [if not one of them] was a gambler and womanizer for much of his life. But that was brushed under the table. Why? Because he was the best player on the planet, won (or came close to winning) a title each year for nearly a decade, and was charming to fans and the media. Hypocrisy kills me, and in sports I see no greater example of it than the way athletes are treated in today's internet age by fans.

 

[jwb]

Good thing for guys like Namath & Stabler the Internet wasn't around in the 70s.

Yup. But it was a different time, too. Now, it's a 12-month season (for all the major sports.)If I owned / coached a team, I wouldn't want to see this stuff either. That's the price you pay for being an athelete in today's ultra-connected world. Want to be a "normal" 24 y/o? Give up the big bucks, and go work in an office somewhere. Then you can party all weekend and not worry about photos annoying your boss.

 

[Jason Wood]

Good thing for guys like Namath & Stabler the Internet wasn't around in the 70s.

Yup. But it was a different time, too. Now, it's a 12-month season (for all the major sports.)If I owned / coached a team, I wouldn't want to see this stuff either. That's the price you pay for being an athelete in today's ultra-connected world. Want to be a "normal" 24 y/o? Give up the big bucks, and go work in an office somewhere. Then you can party all weekend and not worry about photos annoying your boss.

Again, you don't even have to do that as long as you deliver. If Leinart had a Pro Bowl year last season, Whisenhunt would've laughed off those photos, and patted the kid on the back asking if he "got any tail that night?" Or something thereabouts.

 

[Mikey16x]

Rumor has it Leinart went streaking up through the quad to the gymnasium after doing the beer bong.

really good one and the funniest part is i can actually picture him starting that up.I don't understand the problem here... he's a man.. we like girls... pretty girls at that... more power to him and whise should mind his business. I know I am passing judgment and going out on a limb but something tells me thats not the first time that blonde consumed alcohol... their 20 year old partying kids.. and the fact that he's using the beer bong and what not I think he's staying a bit humble and not letting money change him... i respect it... and respect him... rock on matt, rock on.on the other hand i hope warners arm is healed for arizona's sake lol

 

[Chaos Commish]

uote]If Leinart had a Pro Bowl year last season, Whisenhunt would've laughed off those photos, and patted the kid on the back asking if he "got any tail that night?" Or something thereabouts.

Disagree. I don't think there's a player coach relationship in the NFL that would go that way. He's been drafted to be the face of the franchise. It's pretty simple and you guys defending him are missing the simple points.

 

[Mikey16x]

I rather have this guy be the face of my franchise then tom brady or peyton manning.. personality wise obviously... who wants a QB that shows no personality what so ever.. Tom Brady won't even thank a guy that congratulated him on getting to the super bowl (if you say the video). I guess to a certain extent he needs to tone it down but I don't think he did anything horrible and I like the fact that he shows he can also have fun. I honestly do believe that the NFL stands for the no fun league... honestly.

 

[Jason Wood]

uote]If Leinart had a Pro Bowl year last season, Whisenhunt would've laughed off those photos, and patted the kid on the back asking if he "got any tail that night?" Or something thereabouts.

Disagree. I don't think there's a player coach relationship in the NFL that would go that way. He's been drafted to be the face of the franchise. It's pretty simple and you guys defending him are missing the simple points.

We're going to have to agree to disagree. What I think you fail to realize is that a ton of athletes are doing this and FAR WORSE yet it's a non story either because there wasn't evidence and/or because their on-field performance didn't mandate criticism. I think it would be a fascinating case study to have the average NFL fan write up a psychological profile of what a typical NFL player's life is like. And then juxtapose that against the realities of the situation. I wonder if the league would be as popular if people weren't so blind to the realities of these guys lives.

 

[jwb]

Again, you don't even have to do that as long as you deliver. If Leinart had a Pro Bowl year last season, Whisenhunt would've laughed off those photos, and patted the kid on the back asking if he "got any tail that night?" Or something thereabouts.

This isn't that much different from almost any job, though. The star salesman can be a little late. The guys barely making quota best be seated before the manager gets there.

 

[Couch Potato]

Tom Brady was jet setting to LA with his then girlfriend Bridge Moynahan and being photographed by paparazzi at all the L.A. hotspots. I didn't see Bill B getting all over his QB. You know why? Because Brady was winning Super Bowls for him.

Also because Billy B was too busy at about the same time boinking another man's wife.

 

[Rockchild]

It's really a non story to me. It's just kids being kids. Would his coach like him not to do it or at least not get caught on camera-yes. Is it a bit immature-yes but not anymore immature than most 24 year old kids. Is the coach over reacting-not really. When put on the spot after seeing the picture most coaches would react in a similar way. I think the fact that he hasn't been successful on the field is what is skewing peoples perspective on this.

 

[brock]

non issue if leinart was good.

he hasn't proved he's worth the money yet and stories like this will only add to the bust talks.

 

[428143]

non issue if leinart was good. he hasn't proved he's worth the money yet and stories like this will only add to the bust talks.

 

[Jason Wood]

Tom Brady was jet setting to LA with his then girlfriend Bridge Moynahan and being photographed by paparazzi at all the L.A. hotspots. I didn't see Bill B getting all over his QB. You know why? Because Brady was winning Super Bowls for him.

Also because Billy B was too busy at about the same time boinking another man's wife.

Zing!

 

[Jason Wood]

Just noticed on ESPN that a whopping 86.1% of voters don't think Matt Leinart has anything to apologize for, and Stink Schlereth [who I think is the most level headed guy on the ESPN NFL team] has a vidcast where he said this is nothing to be concerned about. Stink said what many of us said, Leinart has a lot to prove on the field, and that -- not what happens at his home in March -- is what matters.

 

[Chaos Commish]

uote]If Leinart had a Pro Bowl year last season, Whisenhunt would've laughed off those photos, and patted the kid on the back asking if he "got any tail that night?" Or something thereabouts.

Disagree. I don't think there's a player coach relationship in the NFL that would go that way. He's been drafted to be the face of the franchise. It's pretty simple and you guys defending him are missing the simple points.

We're going to have to agree to disagree. What I think you fail to realize is that a ton of athletes are doing this and FAR WORSE yet it's a non story either because there wasn't evidence and/or because their on-field performance didn't mandate criticism. I think it would be a fascinating case study to have the average NFL fan write up a psychological profile of what a typical NFL player's life is like. And then juxtapose that against the realities of the situation. I wonder if the league would be as popular if people weren't so blind to the realities of these guys lives.

well, since you are frustrated about this (in the other thread), some questions to maybe better understand some of your more vague points.Since you seem so sure of your take on the party culture in the NFL, what percentage of NFL rosters would guess, just guess, is part of this "ton of athletes are doing this and FAR WORSE"?And to be a little more on point, what percentage of starting QBs do you think are heavy into the party culture? And do you see a difference in jetsetting wtih a supermodel and doing beer bongs with possibly under aged college girls? Just curious about that one. Do you think Whisenhunt was wrong in his statement and should have not said a word? And on this fascinating study what would your "psychological profile of what a typical NFL player's life is like" be like? Thanks for answering if you do.

 

[Jason Wood]

uote]

If Leinart had a Pro Bowl year last season, Whisenhunt would've laughed off those photos, and patted the kid on the back asking if he "got any tail that night?" Or something thereabouts.

Disagree. I don't think there's a player coach relationship in the NFL that would go that way. He's been drafted to be the face of the franchise. It's pretty simple and you guys defending him are missing the simple points.

We're going to have to agree to disagree. What I think you fail to realize is that a ton of athletes are doing this and FAR WORSE yet it's a non story either because there wasn't evidence and/or because their on-field performance didn't mandate criticism. I think it would be a fascinating case study to have the average NFL fan write up a psychological profile of what a typical NFL player's life is like. And then juxtapose that against the realities of the situation. I wonder if the league would be as popular if people weren't so blind to the realities of these guys lives.

well, since you are frustrated about this (in the other thread), some questions to maybe better understand some of your more vague points.Since you seem so sure of your take on the party culture in the NFL, what percentage of NFL rosters would guess, just guess, is part of this "ton of athletes are doing this and FAR WORSE"?

At least a 1/3rd, as much as 2/3rds

And to be a little more on point, what percentage of starting QBs do you think are heavy into the party culture?

When they were single? 80%+

And do you see a difference in jetsetting wtih a supermodel and doing beer bongs with possibly under aged college girls? Just curious about that one.

I think both are distracting and, frankly, you are more likely to get into trouble with more dangerous substances jetsetting in the LA celeb scene than you will swilling beer in your backyard

Do you think Whisenhunt was wrong in his statement and should have not said a word?

No, I think he's doing what any coach would...trying to motivate his player any way he can. And I'm sure Leinart is embarrassed about the situation.

And on this fascinating study what would your "psychological profile of what a typical NFL player's life is like" be like?

A lot more like a normal human being than you seem to think

Thanks for answering if you do.

 

[CravenM]

I think Whisenhunt missed the opportunity to say something encouraging instead of discouraging - something like:

"It looks like Matt will be ready to compete for the starting job this season"

or

"Matt's our Quarterback of the future and is the leader of the team"

Managers in all walks of life sometimes lack the ability to avoid the easy, public insults and turn a phrase to send a positive message to the employee. I see it in nearly 90% of the managers I ever worked under or worked around. It takes a little introspection but any kind of criticism like this should have been handled in private.

 

[radballs]

It seems to me that Matt is lacking game: 1) On the field he was replaced mid year by an aging has been.2)Off the field he parties with a $1.50 beer bong with 18-20 year old chicks. I'm not saying they aren't attractive we all would hit it for sure. However, if I am a Pro QB in the NFL and a mutli millionaire, I would surely be doing better then having to resort to this. Hell even Jeff Garcia does better Matt with Carmella, perhaps Leinhart should call Garcia for some advice.

Four years ago I was in the same bar as Garcia in Calgary and he was smashed and was dancing with two girls at the same time who were seductively rubbing themselves against him. He was definitely enjoying himself and he was buying drinks for more then just the two lovely women. It never crossed my mind that he was being immature or that this was effecting his play as a QB. Big deal the guy was drunk and dancing with 2 hot women good for him. If this was in season then different story and even then it may be a small story. This is not at all effecting his play as a QB at this time at all. And a since when is a 24 year old guy drinking and hanging out with hot chicks terrible pr? I say he just got a whole lot cooler to a large number of fans.

And he might want to shake that "Not that there's anything wrong with that" label. Seriously, I think that any criticism he receives over this incident is ridiculous. If anything, he should be praised for not partying out in public and/or driving while intoxicated. I wonder if pro athletes will be legally able to fart in public 20 years from now. Not that I feel sorry for the financial trade off they receive. But, today's media is just looking for something miniscule if it gets a lot of publicity.

 

[radballs]

I think Whisenhunt missed the opportunity to say something encouraging instead of discouraging - something like:"It looks like Matt will be ready to compete for the starting job this season" or "Matt's our Quarterback of the future and is the leader of the team"Managers in all walks of life sometimes lack the ability to avoid the easy, public insults and turn a phrase to send a positive message to the employee. I see it in nearly 90% of the managers I ever worked under or worked around. It takes a little introspection but any kind of criticism like this should have been handled in private.

In fact, I'm surprised Whisenhunt isn't receiving more criticism, given his repsonse, than Matt himself. People need to lighten the #### up.

 

[fatness]

I think Whisenhunt missed the opportunity to say something encouraging instead of discouraging - something like:"It looks like Matt will be ready to compete for the starting job this season" or "Matt's our Quarterback of the future and is the leader of the team"Managers in all walks of life sometimes lack the ability to avoid the easy, public insults and turn a phrase to send a positive message to the employee. I see it in nearly 90% of the managers I ever worked under or worked around. It takes a little introspection but any kind of criticism like this should have been handled in private.

In fact, I'm surprised Whisenhunt isn't receiving more criticism, given his repsonse, than Matt himself.

 

[Avery]

I think Whisenhunt missed the opportunity to say something encouraging instead of discouraging - something like:"It looks like Matt will be ready to compete for the starting job this season" or "Matt's our Quarterback of the future and is the leader of the team"Managers in all walks of life sometimes lack the ability to avoid the easy, public insults and turn a phrase to send a positive message to the employee. I see it in nearly 90% of the managers I ever worked under or worked around. It takes a little introspection but any kind of criticism like this should have been handled in private.

Let me get this straight.The face of the franchise shows bad judgment in at very least letting someone take pictures of him acting like he's still in college and you think his coach ought to point out that Leinert is the leader of the team?You can argue that perhaps Whisenhunt shouldn't have criticized him, but praising him when he is showing less than leadership skills would be sending a poor message to Leinert as well as the rest of the team. Fair or unfair, unlike most of our jobs a portion of a professional athletes job is PR and in that respect, as well as his primary job of playing football, Leinert could be doing better.

 

[Sabertooth]

Turns out he went to confession afterwards. So it's all good.

 

[tombonneau]

And then there's this ...

http://deadspin.com/376333/matt-leinart-is...king-for-it-now

 

[cstu]

What a prudish time we live in. If only we had pictures of 1/10th the crap QB's like Marino and Namath were doing...

 

[fatness]

What a prudish time we live in. If only we had pictures of 1/10th the crap QB's like Marino and Namath were doing...

I listen to the John Riggins show some days on the ride home and today I was thinking the same thing about Riggins, and the whole O-line of Hogs, who used to party together regularly.

 

[Couch Potato]

What a prudish time we live in. If only we had pictures of 1/10th the crap QB's like Marino and Namath were doing...

Hypocritical times, really. It's OK if John Q. Public does it (whatever is his own personal character-flawed kink, obsession, addiction, etc) on the down low, but if John Q. learns about someone else doing it (whatever that someone's flaw is), out comes the holier-than-thou finger pointing. People want others to live their lives by higher standards than they themselves are willing to live by. And that's why this whole story about Leinart really blows, this crap about the coach expecting certain standards AT ALL TIMES. Yeah, and Elliott Spitzer was dogging folks for years about their indiscretions too. How's that working out for ya, Elliott?

 

[Bob Magaw]

And then there's this ...

http://deadspin.com/376333/matt-leinart-is...king-for-it-now

i don't recall namath ever doing this : NTTAWWT :

 

[Avery]

What a prudish time we live in. If only we had pictures of 1/10th the crap QB's like Marino and Namath were doing...

... and if Leinert was 1/10th the QB as Marino or Namath his coach might not call him out for acting like a jackass.

 

[az_prof]

I think Whisenhunt missed the opportunity to say something encouraging instead of discouraging - something like:"It looks like Matt will be ready to compete for the starting job this season" or "Matt's our Quarterback of the future and is the leader of the team"Managers in all walks of life sometimes lack the ability to avoid the easy, public insults and turn a phrase to send a positive message to the employee. I see it in nearly 90% of the managers I ever worked under or worked around. It takes a little introspection but any kind of criticism like this should have been handled in private.

In fact, I'm surprised Whisenhunt isn't receiving more criticism, given his repsonse, than Matt himself.

I have the same reaction to this as I do to Brandon Marshall. People need to lighten up. These guys aren't priests. Nor are they slaves. The Morality police are taking over this country.

 

[Slinger]

Did he do anything illegal?....Okay, so it's a bunch of angry white men on a message board acting all hight and mighty. Gotcha.

 

[Avery]

I think Whisenhunt missed the opportunity to say something encouraging instead of discouraging - something like:

"It looks like Matt will be ready to compete for the starting job this season"

or

"Matt's our Quarterback of the future and is the leader of the team"

Managers in all walks of life sometimes lack the ability to avoid the easy, public insults and turn a phrase to send a positive message to the employee. I see it in nearly 90% of the managers I ever worked under or worked around. It takes a little introspection but any kind of criticism like this should have been handled in private.

In fact, I'm surprised Whisenhunt isn't receiving more criticism, given his repsonse, than Matt himself.

I have the same reaction to this as I do to Brandon Marshall. People need to lighten up. These guys aren't priests. Nor are they slaves. The Morality police are taking over this country.

BTW Cutler, another football player and one of the leaders of his team, publicly criticized Marshall and received much praise by the members of this message board for doing so.

 

[Avery]

Did he do anything illegal?....Okay, so it's a bunch of angry white men on a message board acting all hight and mighty. Gotcha.

I by no means want to be the spokesman for the "high and mighty", but when did legally become the barometer for stupidity and poor judgment?

 

[Gopher State]

This is a non story if the girls are all over 21, (which we never know) but if any are under 21 it's a big deal. If one of those girls had left the party, had an accident, hurt someone badly, and were under the age of 21, Leinarts pockets could not deep enough.

No problem with Leinart having a good time, he reminds me of Tommy Krammer for MN, heck Tommy could play with a six pack under his belt, maybe Matt can to.

 

[Jous]

Did he do anything illegal?....Okay, so it's a bunch of angry white men on a message board acting all hight and mighty. Gotcha.

I by no means want to be the spokesman for the "high and mighty", but when did legally become the barometer for stupidity and poor judgment?

Personally, I don't think he even displayed stupidity or poor judgment. I'm still trying to figure out exactly what Leinart did wrong in this whole thing... the only stupid thing about this whole story is that anyone is actually making it out to be a big deal. So what if he parties? There's nothing immoral about that. And who cares if people took some pictures of him, in none of them do I see anything that makes me think of Leinart as a bad person or doing anything illegal. WAY overblown here.

 

[GroveDiesel]

And then there's this ...

http://deadspin.com/376333/matt-leinart-is...king-for-it-now

Apparently there's more stuff about these guys lives that we just don't know about. I'm sure that his teammates will agree that simulating oral sex on a fellow frat boy is typical sports star behavior.

This is a non story if the girls are all over 21, (which we never know) but if any are under 21 it's a big deal. If one of those girls had left the party, had an accident, hurt someone badly, and were under the age of 21, Leinarts pockets could not deep enough.

No problem with Leinart having a good time, he reminds me of Tommy Krammer for MN, heck Tommy could play with a six pack under his belt, maybe Matt can to.

This is what the defenders either refuse to address or have to come up with creative excuses for. It's one thing to just be partying with co-eds, it's another thing to be serving up a beer bong to a girl that's under the drinking age. With the way the NFL has been cracking down on off field behavior, it shows a tremendous lack of judgement to be be serving up alcohol to underage girls.

 

[az_prof]

I think Whisenhunt missed the opportunity to say something encouraging instead of discouraging - something like:

"It looks like Matt will be ready to compete for the starting job this season"

or

"Matt's our Quarterback of the future and is the leader of the team"

Managers in all walks of life sometimes lack the ability to avoid the easy, public insults and turn a phrase to send a positive message to the employee. I see it in nearly 90% of the managers I ever worked under or worked around. It takes a little introspection but any kind of criticism like this should have been handled in private.

In fact, I'm surprised Whisenhunt isn't receiving more criticism, given his repsonse, than Matt himself.

I have the same reaction to this as I do to Brandon Marshall. People need to lighten up. These guys aren't priests. Nor are they slaves. The Morality police are taking over this country.

BTW Cutler, another football player and one of the leaders of his team, publicly criticized Marshall and received much praise by the members of this message board for doing so.

Who cares? Lots of other people think that Cutler showed poor leadership skills by doing so. Myself? I think this is the slow part of the offseason and people are inclined to make a mountain out of mole hill because there isn't any real news.

 

[Avery]

Did he do anything illegal?....Okay, so it's a bunch of angry white men on a message board acting all hight and mighty. Gotcha.

I by no means want to be the spokesman for the "high and mighty", but when did legally become the barometer for stupidity and poor judgment?

Personally, I don't think he even displayed stupidity or poor judgment. I'm still trying to figure out exactly what Leinart did wrong in this whole thing... the only stupid thing about this whole story is that anyone is actually making it out to be a big deal. So what if he parties? There's nothing immoral about that. And who cares if people took some pictures of him, in none of them do I see anything that makes me think of Leinart as a bad person or doing anything illegal. WAY overblown here.

Some people think that on the field performance is all that matters, and no doubt certain elite players get far more leeway than lesser players. TO and Randy Moss can and will get away with far more than guys like Brandon Lloyd do. The point of fact is that, especially for "face of the franchise" type players off the field behavior matters. There is a reason that a "morality clause" is a part of many contracts.The NFL is an entertainment business and unlike most of our jobs, not only performance but public perception can play a part in the financial success of a franchise. Whether or not you think that doing beer bongs like a freshman in college with teenage coeds, simulating oral sex with a Champagne bottle and a fraternity brother and letting it all be photographed reflects immaturity and poor judgement is an arguable point but, IMO, it is a bit naive to say that what a player does that may affect his public perception does not matter until a player goes as far as to break the law.

 

[FairWarning]

Leinart is more dedicated to living like a star than performing like one. Thats the difference.

 

[massraider]

"If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob. "

/Crash Davis/

When Leinart can beat out Kurt Warner, then he gets a free pass. Until then, he's gonna get second-guessed.

 

[az_prof]

And then there's this ...

http://deadspin.com/376333/matt-leinart-is...king-for-it-now

Apparently there's more stuff about these guys lives that we just don't know about. I'm sure that his teammates will agree that simulating oral sex on a fellow frat boy is typical sports star behavior.

This is a non story if the girls are all over 21, (which we never know) but if any are under 21 it's a big deal. If one of those girls had left the party, had an accident, hurt someone badly, and were under the age of 21, Leinarts pockets could not deep enough.

No problem with Leinart having a good time, he reminds me of Tommy Krammer for MN, heck Tommy could play with a six pack under his belt, maybe Matt can to.

This is what the defenders either refuse to address or have to come up with creative excuses for. It's one thing to just be partying with co-eds, it's another thing to be serving up a beer bong to a girl that's under the drinking age. With the way the NFL has been cracking down on off field behavior, it shows a tremendous lack of judgement to be be serving up alcohol to underage girls.

I tend to pay more attention to football stories rather than these non-football stories, so maybe I missed something, but do we know that the girls are underage as you suggest? Until we know otherwise my assumption is that they were of age. Frankly, I think a majority of football fans would LOVE to have been in Leinart's shoes, drinking and hanging out with hot chicks.

 

[massraider]

And then there's this ...

http://deadspin.com/376333/matt-leinart-is...king-for-it-now

Apparently there's more stuff about these guys lives that we just don't know about. I'm sure that his teammates will agree that simulating oral sex on a fellow frat boy is typical sports star behavior.

This is a non story if the girls are all over 21, (which we never know) but if any are under 21 it's a big deal. If one of those girls had left the party, had an accident, hurt someone badly, and were under the age of 21, Leinarts pockets could not deep enough.

No problem with Leinart having a good time, he reminds me of Tommy Krammer for MN, heck Tommy could play with a six pack under his belt, maybe Matt can to.

This is what the defenders either refuse to address or have to come up with creative excuses for. It's one thing to just be partying with co-eds, it's another thing to be serving up a beer bong to a girl that's under the drinking age. With the way the NFL has been cracking down on off field behavior, it shows a tremendous lack of judgement to be be serving up alcohol to underage girls.

I tend to pay more attention to football stories rather than these non-football stories, so maybe I missed something, but do we know that the girls are underage as you suggest? Until we know otherwise my assumption is that they were of age. Frankly, I think a majority of football fans would LOVE to have been in Leinart's shoes, drinking and hanging out with hot chicks.

I don't know if we know for sure they were underage, but at least one place is saying so:http://ballhype.com/story/nick_lachey_matt...underage_girls/

As to whether or not fans would like to be in a hot tub with hot college chicks, what has that got to do with anything?

 

[GroveDiesel]

And then there's this ...

http://deadspin.com/376333/matt-leinart-is...king-for-it-now

Apparently there's more stuff about these guys lives that we just don't know about. I'm sure that his teammates will agree that simulating oral sex on a fellow frat boy is typical sports star behavior.

This is a non story if the girls are all over 21, (which we never know) but if any are under 21 it's a big deal. If one of those girls had left the party, had an accident, hurt someone badly, and were under the age of 21, Leinarts pockets could not deep enough.

No problem with Leinart having a good time, he reminds me of Tommy Krammer for MN, heck Tommy could play with a six pack under his belt, maybe Matt can to.

This is what the defenders either refuse to address or have to come up with creative excuses for. It's one thing to just be partying with co-eds, it's another thing to be serving up a beer bong to a girl that's under the drinking age. With the way the NFL has been cracking down on off field behavior, it shows a tremendous lack of judgement to be be serving up alcohol to underage girls.

I tend to pay more attention to football stories rather than these non-football stories, so maybe I missed something, but do we know that the girls are underage as you suggest? Until we know otherwise my assumption is that they were of age. Frankly, I think a majority of football fans would LOVE to have been in Leinart's shoes, drinking and hanging out with hot chicks.

There have been multiple sources that have said that the Facebook pages of the girls indicated that they were under 21 and that their high school graduation date was known and backs it up. Maybe that information is wrong, but there doesn't seem to be any information out there that is contrary to that either.