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LenDale White Bandwagon (1 Viewer)
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zadok
Footballguy
I am very much on the wagon. And I am not an owner of his (yet), but I do own Chris Brown and his future is looking more and more bleak. I think White and Bush will both be stars. I think he deserved to be picked where he was by Tenn, but now he's pissed and that's a good thing.
bigreese82
Footballguy
Chris will be the feature rb somewhere next year...He's a FA...hold him
mightyeskimo
Footballguy
Yeah could you send me an application for and a dozen original glazed please!As recent news declares (link below), the doughboy is now fully healed, working with a personal trainer, shedding weight, and getting into shape. His coaches are liking what they see, and he will compete for a starting spot immediately.
As a White owner and the co-chair of the local chapter of the LenDale White bandwagon committee since the Rose Bowl, I'd remind you that there are plenty of seats available and lots of buzzing to do before week 1.
This guy could and should be a monster.
Edit to add: The wagon will make a stop at Crispy Creme to pick up LenDale.
Link: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=nfl&id=2493024
sholditch
Footballguy
Got him in the fifth round of an inaugural dynasty draft and thus far like everything that I am hearing. Count me in. Really, really hoping that he wins the starting spot outright. I think for his own sake, CB needs to hire Rosenhaus and stage an elaborate holdout/contract renegotiation/trade demand. Skipping training camp will surely convince Titans management how badly they need him.
Man, check out Fatdale's gut. Scary
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/apphoto/pho...5697&sportId=28
Man, check out Fatdale's gut. Scary
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/apphoto/pho...5697&sportId=28
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The Mechanic
Footballguy
You's can count me in on the "White Bandwagon".
Took him at 1.07 in my rookie Dynasty Draft. I expect him to be a force to be reckoned with for years to come.....
Took him at 1.07 in my rookie Dynasty Draft. I expect him to be a force to be reckoned with for years to come.....
I'd say in a 12 team league, having White as a starting RB would be risky at best. Having him as a #3 RB would be OK (you could probably do worse) and having him at #4 would be great, because that's where the upside will be. I'd expect TJ Duckett like numbers - maybe 4-6 TDs (or more if lucky) with 400 yards or so. EXPECTING anything more would be dangerous.
The real test will happen when Chris Brown gets injured. How will White do as a full-time back. I don't believe Travis Henry will be a signifcant obstical - he's 3 years removed from his last good season, but he may be a better option as an every down back. However, as a 30th-40th RB taken, he (White) could be a good value.
As for me, I picked him up with the 6th pick in my league's rookie draft, and have him as my 4th RB behind Steven Jackson, Ronnie Brown and Fred Taylor. Between White and Taylor, I figure one of them will be a good fill-in during the St. Louis and Miami byes. ...and in 2007 I will let Fred Taylor go to the highest bidder, and White will likely take over that RB3 spot on his own.
The real test will happen when Chris Brown gets injured. How will White do as a full-time back. I don't believe Travis Henry will be a signifcant obstical - he's 3 years removed from his last good season, but he may be a better option as an every down back. However, as a 30th-40th RB taken, he (White) could be a good value.
As for me, I picked him up with the 6th pick in my league's rookie draft, and have him as my 4th RB behind Steven Jackson, Ronnie Brown and Fred Taylor. Between White and Taylor, I figure one of them will be a good fill-in during the St. Louis and Miami byes. ...and in 2007 I will let Fred Taylor go to the highest bidder, and White will likely take over that RB3 spot on his own.
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Players drafted in the second round or higher from 2001-2004: Julius Jones, Anquan Boldin, Brian Westbrook, Deion Branch, Chad Johnson, Lamont Jordan, Chris Chambers, Steve Smith, Rudi Johnson, TJ Housh....Not a plausible argument IMO.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
He had "all this hype" because USC was one of, if not the most publicized team in college football. The Lendale White hype was a direct result of that. I don't think anyone would have been shocked if Maroney or DWill would have fell to the 2nd round. Would that cause us to say that they were not good running backs?All those players received this much hype before they stepped on the (NFL) field?
CA_7
Footballguy
Thanks for bringing that up.While I can't speak for others, that is exactly why I think there is a chance he will be a bust. USC was so good, he was able to hide his faults because he was surrounded by some many great players. These faults IMO are what will be his downfall in the NFL
I guess we will wait and see.
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EBF
Footballguy
I don't think anyone is expecting him to average 6.6 YPC in the NFL. There are questions about all of this year's top RB prospects. Bush and White played with a stellar supporting cast. Williams played in a creampuff conference. Maroney played in a great system and was actually less effective than his backup. Addai was never a full-time starter and was only moderately productive.
There are significant risk factors with this entire group, but I think White is well-equipped to become a standout RB at the next level.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
man boobs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you spoke about his faults twice in general, but didn't specify them... he probably would have been a first rounder if he hadn't hurt his hamstring & been unable to work out & run a 40... doesn't sound like a catastrophic fault if his biggest one is that he had minor injury at inopportune time...one issue with saying that white looked better than he really is but isn't actually that good because strength around him masked his faults...
couldn't that be said about all good RBs coming from good programs... do you always find good RBs that come from good programs suspect? do you refuse to look at any RB unless they come from bad program? or if you make exceptions, why... what is different in this case?
we don't have to restrict inquiry to RB... how about so many good defenders coming from florida state... sims, wimbley, bunkley, cromartie... maybe they aren't really that good, but the talent around them masked their faults... maybe nc states mario williams, manny lawson & john mccargo are the same?
yet all these guys were first rounders... that is what scouting is for... not just combine & senior bowl (neither which white could do, being injured & junior), but there is also a body of work on film in which physical ability, talent, skills can be broken down & viewed in isolation...
like when white dusted off huff like a piece of lint on a suit, i don't see what that had to do with the quality of his teammates... huff came free & was unblocked, & white DOMINATED the one-on-one matchup... i'd enjoy an explanation of how there was some fault masking going on there?
the same argument you are using has been leveled at bush (not necessarily by you)... but that doesn't account for the times when bush was in traffic all by himself, in the open field, & multiple UNBLOCKED defenders got faked out of their jocks & were left grabbing air... if virtually anybody looked at evidence (ie - film), it is difficult to see how anybody could come away & not be left with the impression that bush has phenomenal talent... maybe people who cite the argument that his stats were pumped up because he played with great surrounding talent & his pro prospects are therefor in some way tainted have seen the film... but it is an undistinguishable response from others who might just make the argument in the abstract... that argument may be right some of the time, but it still leaves us where we started... we still have to examine evidence on case by case basis to determine if white or bush fell into not as good as they looked category or not... so imo, detractor of bush & white should address it on that level...
i'm pretty confident zero out of 32 NFL teams would conduct their prleminary draft discussions by saying... we've decide to strike white from consideration because in our opinion he really isn't as good as he looked, but because he was in a good team, it masked his faults...
no, the scouts would still be expected to give an individual breakdown on his strengths & weaknesses, in case he might in fact succeed despite stellar supporting cast...
while maybe white, bush & leinart looked good because of surrounding cast... we have to consider possibility that the surrounding cast looked good because they were playing with white, bush & leinart, & maybe they REALLY ARE good...
anybody who wants to dispute white's attributes should be able to do so if they in fact have a compelling case...
his strength has been questioned... ask michael huff if he has adequate functional, playing strength...
is he slow? ask fresno state when he blew by multiple defenders on 30-40 yard run & dove into end zone...
does he not have good feet or cutting ability... ask donte nicholls (?) when he smoked him in the open field on a long run that set up score in 2004 bowl game... or donte whitner when he whiffed badly in the ohio state game...
does he have good instincts... what about mayocks favorite highlight where he vaulted over defender/s, than another shot towards him from side to take his legs & he hopped to the side as soon as his feet hit ground to avoid tackle... you can't teach that kind of ability, it shows rare talent that few have, & imo you can see enough plays like this that didn't have a lot to do with his teammates (but were examples of winning & dominating one-on-one matchups) that it isn't necessary to resort to above argument... it just doesn't have a lot of additive or explanatory value on top of the level of where scouting takes place... breaking down his positives & negatives...
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Gopher State
Footballguy
If their's ice cream in the endzone White will find it, scoring TD's is another thing 
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CA_7
Footballguy
Hey Bob, we've already been through this in other threads. Remember, I brought up the fact that all of USC's PAC-10 opponents had a rushing defense of 62nd (or something like that) in the country. And you pointed to that fact that he dominated Texas. Just like your single plays vs Huff, etc you like to single out individual events as a measure of success.
White Fault #1: Work Ethic:
Ask his RB coach at USC or Bill Parcells about this one.
I have already stated my case on this one
And again, I think there is a chance that White could succeed if he rededicates himself.
hey CA 7,
what i do remember is another dizzying example of circular logic like this... maybe because not much was resolved (or could possibly be, for that matter) due to the nature of circular logic, we revisit it again...
i listed more than one play above...
he also dominated oklahoma in championship the year before...
you like to take multiple instances of excellence & call them one...
his OC recommended him to titans (chow) & i'm guessing he is more acquainted with the facts than you or i...
anyway, even if he dominated in 20 championships games, wouldn't you just change the subject & say that the great talent masked his faults?
or if there are many instances where he dominated teams, that doesn't count because they were bad teams (how about deangelo... are you down on him, too?)...
you seem to have an answer for everything... when i bring up multiple cases of success, they don't count... so when i try & address it on level of his physical attributes, that doesn't count either, because it is only single instance... constantly switching the subject leads to situations where this just becomes very circular...
as to work ethic, he suited up every sat & dominated... if he was really a slacker wouldn't he say he was too tired or hurt to play?
* just a reminder... i'm not the one who wants to throw out all his games because the surrounding talent... or throw out the championship game (actually make that gameS as in plural) because it is just one game... or just two games or whatever...
if you refuse to include those as evidence of his positives, you don't leave much choice but to address it on level of his attributes as scout would break it down... but then you refuse to talk about that either... as you said, it was just one play (or four, or forty or a hundred, or whatever)...
how is it possible to have a conversation about him if all these possible approaches are ruled out of bounds, by fiat on your part... the way you are debating this point is almost designed to make it hard to disprove your point... but it seems to make the attempt to have any type of dialogue at all impossible...
you didn't mention it, so i am left wondering what your position is on scouting departments... do you really think they would rely on your... well, he really isn't that good because surrounding talent masked his faults non-argument?
if not, why not address it on a level they would, rather than just dismiss possibility of breakdown of his good & bad plays as irrelevant because it was just a few plays... it would seem your point is that there must be plenty of bad plays, too, rignt? so if you can think of a lot of instances where he had lowlights, bring them on... if you can't, it will seem like your take is based solely on generalizations... if that is all you can base your argument on, you shouldn't fault others for bringing more specific & potentially relevant info to the table...
again, if you disagree, you must think NFL scouting departments conduct their draft prep strictly through generalizations & hearsay, & not on film breakdown... you have been invited to break him down also, but seem unwilling or unable to do so with the "just one play" debate strategy to extricate yourself from a conversation which, if you have extensive knowledge of his career, its impossible to tell based on the constant barrage of... its not relevants...
his body of work isn't relevant (bad teams)
starring against good teams isn't relevant (not enough)
film breakdown isn't relevant (just one play)
you don't leave much...
what i do remember is another dizzying example of circular logic like this... maybe because not much was resolved (or could possibly be, for that matter) due to the nature of circular logic, we revisit it again...
i listed more than one play above...
he also dominated oklahoma in championship the year before...
you like to take multiple instances of excellence & call them one...
his OC recommended him to titans (chow) & i'm guessing he is more acquainted with the facts than you or i...
anyway, even if he dominated in 20 championships games, wouldn't you just change the subject & say that the great talent masked his faults?
or if there are many instances where he dominated teams, that doesn't count because they were bad teams (how about deangelo... are you down on him, too?)...
you seem to have an answer for everything... when i bring up multiple cases of success, they don't count... so when i try & address it on level of his physical attributes, that doesn't count either, because it is only single instance... constantly switching the subject leads to situations where this just becomes very circular...
as to work ethic, he suited up every sat & dominated... if he was really a slacker wouldn't he say he was too tired or hurt to play?
* just a reminder... i'm not the one who wants to throw out all his games because the surrounding talent... or throw out the championship game (actually make that gameS as in plural) because it is just one game... or just two games or whatever...
if you refuse to include those as evidence of his positives, you don't leave much choice but to address it on level of his attributes as scout would break it down... but then you refuse to talk about that either... as you said, it was just one play (or four, or forty or a hundred, or whatever)...
how is it possible to have a conversation about him if all these possible approaches are ruled out of bounds, by fiat on your part... the way you are debating this point is almost designed to make it hard to disprove your point... but it seems to make the attempt to have any type of dialogue at all impossible...
you didn't mention it, so i am left wondering what your position is on scouting departments... do you really think they would rely on your... well, he really isn't that good because surrounding talent masked his faults non-argument?
if not, why not address it on a level they would, rather than just dismiss possibility of breakdown of his good & bad plays as irrelevant because it was just a few plays... it would seem your point is that there must be plenty of bad plays, too, rignt? so if you can think of a lot of instances where he had lowlights, bring them on... if you can't, it will seem like your take is based solely on generalizations... if that is all you can base your argument on, you shouldn't fault others for bringing more specific & potentially relevant info to the table...
again, if you disagree, you must think NFL scouting departments conduct their draft prep strictly through generalizations & hearsay, & not on film breakdown... you have been invited to break him down also, but seem unwilling or unable to do so with the "just one play" debate strategy to extricate yourself from a conversation which, if you have extensive knowledge of his career, its impossible to tell based on the constant barrage of... its not relevants...
his body of work isn't relevant (bad teams)
starring against good teams isn't relevant (not enough)
film breakdown isn't relevant (just one play)
you don't leave much...
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Jackson and Willis were both first round. Jackson did not drop due to injury. Obviously, Willis did (but not far).White was not drafted so late. He was a 2nd round pick. I am not going to do the research, but I bet if you took a look around the league, many, many (maybe even most) teams do not have a 1st round RB starting. Any RB drafted 1st through 3rd has a legit chance to be a starter in the league.
sholditch
Footballguy
Not to add to an old and possibly defunct argument, but when discounting players because of all the talent around them...well, first of all, it's dumb for all the reasons posted above, but also, no matter what team a kid goes and no matter what college they come from, they are going to be surrounded by even better talent at the pro level, so it just doesn't make any sense. If someone looked good in college with good people around them, doesn't it at least stand to reason that they will be as good or better with more talented people around them? Of course one has to factor in the talent of opposing D's, but still, that's always a depressing factor for stats from college to pros.
Neo
The Dude minds
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Oh I wasn't saying he won't be an impact player, just thought I'd throw that link that breaks down NFL starters by position/draft round.
Noahs Troopers
Footballguy
Lendale is bleaching his skin and growing a beard, what a nutjob!
http://www.loadfootball.com/discus/messages/10/12556.jpg
http://www.loadfootball.com/discus/messages/10/12556.jpg
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
That was something I could have done without.
gman8343
What would Lemmy do?
LenDale White, RB TEN
News: The Nashville City Paper reports Chris Brown's skills as a blocker could separate him from Travis Henry and Lendale White. "You have to have a back who can pass block, who can recognize what they’re doing, give the quarterback time to throw the ball, and then have the ability to catch the ball," running backs coach Sherman Smith said.
News: The Nashville City Paper reports Chris Brown's skills as a blocker could separate him from Travis Henry and Lendale White. "You have to have a back who can pass block, who can recognize what they’re doing, give the quarterback time to throw the ball, and then have the ability to catch the ball," running backs coach Sherman Smith said.
gman8343
What would Lemmy do?
That's strange, it's being reported in several places but no one is mentioning he only meant 3rd down:Her'es another blurb from xspert:
Veteran RB Still Titan's #1
Titans running backs coach Sherman Smith said Thursday that Chris Brown is the definite No.1 tailback on the team's depth chart because of his ability to pass block effectively. "I trust (Brown) the most in pass protection, and he's not a bad receiver," Smith told the Associated Press.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Sarcasm? I am not on the White bandwagon yet, but Chris Brown and Travis Henry break their ankles just putting on sneakers.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
It's amazing that a guy like Henry, who missed one game in his first two years starting for Buffalo, is considered injury prone. Even more amazing when he was known for playing through injury... something Chris Brown has been unable to do.
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Neo
The Dude minds
Just like to add, that quote was taken out of context. It was from a conversation regarding third down duty. Not saying Brown isn't atop the depth chart, because right now he is, just thought a little more information on the above quote was necessary:
It is also a factor in why the Titans no longer carry a true third-down back like in the days of Rodney Thomas or John Simon.
“The biggest thing a third-down running back has to have for us is the ability to pass block,” running backs coach Sherman Smith said. “That’s when you get all the crazy defensive schemes. So first of all, you have to have a back who can pass block, who can recognize what they’re doing, give the quarterback time to throw the ball, and then have the ability to catch the ball.”
Smith says Brown is currently the best man for the job and the added playing time that comes from those situations.
“Chris is the guy that makes real good adjustments out there. He understands what’s going on,” Smith said. “So I trust him the most in pass protection, and he’s not a bad receiver. We don’t send our guys on a lot of individual routes and stuff. The No. 1 thing they have to be able to do is pass protect, then be a safety or secondary receiver.”
Full Article
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Neo
The Dude minds
More White Banter
White update
Not long ago Fisher said rookie running back LenDale White would have trouble getting into training camp shape in time for training camp.
Coming off a hamstring injury that cost him May workouts, White gradually increased his workload to participate in full team drills over the last two weeks.
Now Fisher has a different forecast for White heading toward the July 27 start of camp at Austin Peay.
"He has a chance to be close," Fisher said. "It really depends on the commitment he makes between now and then. I would expect he would be 100 percent, so we will see when he comes back."
White pledged he will have himself prepared.
"I have no choice," he said. "It's at a point where everybody is kind of counting on me, depending on me to do something by myself. I've got a month off, I have nothing but time to get in shape. I'm going to be working out at 3 p.m. when the sun is shining down as hard as it can."
White is expected to work out in Los Angeles with some USC friends including Dominque Byrd, Darnell Bing and maybe even Reggie Bush.
"It's up to me now to get the job done and I am pretty confident I can," White said.
White update
Not long ago Fisher said rookie running back LenDale White would have trouble getting into training camp shape in time for training camp.
Coming off a hamstring injury that cost him May workouts, White gradually increased his workload to participate in full team drills over the last two weeks.
Now Fisher has a different forecast for White heading toward the July 27 start of camp at Austin Peay.
"He has a chance to be close," Fisher said. "It really depends on the commitment he makes between now and then. I would expect he would be 100 percent, so we will see when he comes back."
White pledged he will have himself prepared.
"I have no choice," he said. "It's at a point where everybody is kind of counting on me, depending on me to do something by myself. I've got a month off, I have nothing but time to get in shape. I'm going to be working out at 3 p.m. when the sun is shining down as hard as it can."
White is expected to work out in Los Angeles with some USC friends including Dominque Byrd, Darnell Bing and maybe even Reggie Bush.
"It's up to me now to get the job done and I am pretty confident I can," White said.
Pick
Footballguy
Per The Blogger
RB L. White Looking Trim
Jeff Miller, Orange County Register - Full Article
Tennessee Titans RB LenDale White is down to 235 pounds. And his torn hammy is becoming less of an issue as he continues to progress toward 100% health. White is eager to reward the Titans for their faith in him.
RB L. White Looking Trim
Jeff Miller, Orange County Register - Full Article
Tennessee Titans RB LenDale White is down to 235 pounds. And his torn hammy is becoming less of an issue as he continues to progress toward 100% health. White is eager to reward the Titans for their faith in him.
CA_7
Footballguy
Since you and others don't seem to get this concept. Ask yourself, how great was a player like Scottie Pippen without Michael Jordan? Along the same lines, I guess the Denver Broncos running game is awesome solely because they have always had great RBs? I am alluding to a system, just like USC....
Hate the break the news to you but this is a team game and there is talent around you and on the other side of the ball. Talent (especially your teammates') and a system will impact your performance; good or bad.
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