Leon Washington (1 Viewer)

[Nookular Power]

I'm interested in opinions...particularly from NYJ homers: what is the long-term value for Leon Washington with the NYJs? This year, barring injury, he seems hardly more than a handcuff to TJ as 3rd-down/COP back. What's the buzz around Jets camp, though? Is he working like someone who thinks he could be The Guy when TJ ages a bit more? Or is he being slotted as a career 3rd-down/COP guy? Seems smallish backs are getting their shots these days -- Westbrook, FWP, MJD, Dunn, etc. -- but these guys, other than Dunn, all have deceptive power to take it between the tackles as well as to the outside. Can Washington ever compete with these guys as a full-time "smallish" back?

 

[JoeSteeler]

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Leon had a pretty good rookie season.

I mean he had 176 touches for 920 yards and 4 TD's. He also averaged 4.3 ypc had a 64 yard receiving TD and does weigh 202 pounds, not totally small.

I mean Laurence Maroney rookies season numbers were.....

194 touches for 939 yards a 4.3 ypc with 6 TD's. Pretty comparable numbers.

Leon has some dynasty value for sure especially in PPR leauges.

 

[Smizzy]

From all the TC reports I had the pleasure of reading,Leon is looking great in camp. in tremendous shape.

 

[Bri]

Leon had a pretty good rookie season.I mean he had 176 touches for 920 yards and 4 TD's. He also averaged 4.3 ypc had a 64 yard receiving TD and does weigh 202 pounds, not totally small.

I don't understand the 64 yard receiving TD stat-line you mentioned.Leon needs to catch more and is more than capable of it.I am not sure if he could be a feature back, I'm leaning towards him being more Kevin Faulk like and just an emergency fill in. Much like Faulk, I think if used properly he could really break some team's backs with key 3rd downs and some big(big not long) plays.I'm pretty confident his catch total goes up in 07.If/when he's used a 3rd down back, he'd better have a fairly high YPC avg so I don't put much stock in that number.I do recall 2 or 3 100 yard games from him but eh I still don't know if he can be more than an emergency fill in. I realize that might be unfair since he was just a rook and that's pretty darn good in limitted time but I watched a lot of Jets games, if not all, and I just don't see it.Granted I still to this day am amazed Warrick Dunn had the career he's had as a feature back but.....

 

[Reaper]

Leon had a pretty good rookie season.I mean he had 176 touches for 920 yards and 4 TD's. He also averaged 4.3 ypc had a 64 yard receiving TD and does weigh 202 pounds, not totally small.

I don't understand the 64 yard receiving TD stat-line you mentioned.

That was one play - I believe the Miami play....He had 25/270 Recieving last year..... I'm also not sure about a Full time starters gig but, there'a lot of backs right now in that same boat and a lot of teams looking to go to RBBC with a smaller quick back and a bigger pounder....Lorenzo Booker is supposed to be very similar and supposedly had/has more talent.Sounds like both guys look great in Camp....BY TOM ROCK | tom.rock@newsday.comAugust 9, 2007The addition of Thomas Jones won't necessarily be a subtraction for Leon Washington.Although the Jets traded for Jones to have that so-called "every-down back" they were missing for all of 2006 with Curtis Martin in rehab limbo, they have not forgotten about the player who eventually filled the role of starting tailback down the stretch of their playoff run. Washington, who as a rookie started eight games and led the team with 650 yards rushing (plus 270 receiving), still is a very large part of the offense.By the end of the season, Jones likely will be the Jet who has the most carries and the most yards. But the division of labor is likely to be more balanced than some are predicting."[Carries] will fluctuate week in and week out, and there will be different packages that the guys will be in," coach Eric Mangini said. "You want to have the flexibility to adjust to whatever you anticipate seeing."Washington's ability to make something from nothing with devilish cuts and neck-wrenching speed will come in handy for the Jets, who enjoy surprising defenses with strange shifts and odd personnel groupings. Having Washington at their disposal for those sneak attacks makes sense, especially given that he can line up nearly anywhere on the field."You love when you have a tailback that you can split out," Mangini said, adding that one of his mentors, Ted Marchibroda, used Marshall Faulk in a similar way. Not only does having Washington (or another back) split out create another target and usually a mismatch in coverage, it also helps decipher defensive intent."The defense has to declare if it is man or zone," Mangini said. "Usually the person responsible for covering the back is a linebacker, if it's man-to-man, or a safety. So when you do split them out, you get that information pre-snap. That's always nice."Washington said no one from the Jets approached him after the Jones trade to assuage any fears that his role could diminish. Nor did they have to."They knew I would be a guy who would welcome anyone who comes in and helps the team win," Washington said. "Having him in our locker room is a big plus for us."

 

[Reaper]

One thing I do find interesting that this topic brought up is that the Knock on Washington is mostly size at this point.... Fantasy wise, a lot of people seem to feel Maurice Drew Jones can take on a lot of the workload based on his ADP. A lot of that probably comes from the TD"s he got last year....

Leon Washington is slightly bigger according to NFL.com

Just sayin'.

 

[Bri]

One thing I do find interesting that this topic brought up is that the Knock on Washington is mostly size at this point.... Fantasy wise, a lot of people seem to feel Maurice Drew Jones can take on a lot of the workload based on his ADP. A lot of that probably comes from the TD"s he got last year....Leon Washington is slightly bigger according to NFL.comJust sayin'.

For me, it's their style or how they play the gameWhile I'm well aware Marshall Faulk and Priest Holmes weren't big, there's a clear difference between how those two played and guys like David Meggett and Kevin Faulk play/played.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

The one thing I know is that the few times I watched the Jets play last year, Leon Washington was making plays, and you had to notice him when he had the ball.

 

[RestoreTheROAR]

Size

He has the speed, vision, and moves. I think Washington's going to do well

 

[MU Seminole]

Lorenzo Booker is supposed to be very similar and supposedly had/has more talent.

To complete this aside, I like Leon's dynasty prospects much more than Booker's b/c he is much more versatile. Booker is more of a pure space guy. Leon is great in the open but is much better between the tackles. He hits the hole, while Booker danced too much his whole career except in the bowl game v. UCLA. I see Leon's baseline potential as a solid third down back with very nice value in PPR leagues, with upside as a limited basis, fill-in starter. I see Booker as more of a pure third down/second string guy. Finally, regarding their builds, they're both obviously smaller, but Leon is much more solid and stocky, with thick legs and runs low, while Booker's mass is mainly in the upper body with thinner legs, and runs more upright. He doesn't run through many tackles.

 

[konastitch]

Size He has the speed, vision, and moves. I think Washington's going to do well

Agreed. I see the division of touches at year's end (including receptions) at about 70-30 in favor of Thomas Jones. I can see Leon having around 800-900 yards from scrimmage with a handfull of TDs...much the same as he did last year.He's a good handcuff to Jones and could be a decent RB2 should Jones go down with an injury.

 

[Nookular Power]

Lorenzo Booker is supposed to be very similar and supposedly had/has more talent.

To complete this aside, I like Leon's dynasty prospects much more than Booker's b/c he is much more versatile. Booker is more of a pure space guy. Leon is great in the open but is much better between the tackles. He hits the hole, while Booker danced too much his whole career except in the bowl game v. UCLA. I see Leon's baseline potential as a solid third down back with very nice value in PPR leagues, with upside as a limited basis, fill-in starter. I see Booker as more of a pure third down/second string guy. Finally, regarding their builds, they're both obviously smaller, but Leon is much more solid and stocky, with thick legs and runs low, while Booker's mass is mainly in the upper body with thinner legs, and runs more upright. He doesn't run through many tackles.

I'm curious about this -- I haven't seen all that much of Leon (a couple of games last year, tops) but when I did see him, he didn't look all that thick, as you're suggesting. In comparison to, say, MJD, who, though "small" looks like a power-house, I saw Leon as an outside guy almost exclusively. Did I just catch him at the wrong times? Do you Jets homers think he could ever be a "between-the-tackles" runner? Not that you'd run him up the gut all that often, but you'd do it on occasion it to keep the D honest.

 

[Irish]

Lorenzo Booker is supposed to be very similar and supposedly had/has more talent.

To complete this aside, I like Leon's dynasty prospects much more than Booker's b/c he is much more versatile. Booker is more of a pure space guy. Leon is great in the open but is much better between the tackles. He hits the hole, while Booker danced too much his whole career except in the bowl game v. UCLA. I see Leon's baseline potential as a solid third down back with very nice value in PPR leagues, with upside as a limited basis, fill-in starter. I see Booker as more of a pure third down/second string guy. Finally, regarding their builds, they're both obviously smaller, but Leon is much more solid and stocky, with thick legs and runs low, while Booker's mass is mainly in the upper body with thinner legs, and runs more upright. He doesn't run through many tackles.

Leon will be the feature back for the Jets in 08.

 

[konastitch]

Lorenzo Booker is supposed to be very similar and supposedly had/has more talent.

To complete this aside, I like Leon's dynasty prospects much more than Booker's b/c he is much more versatile. Booker is more of a pure space guy. Leon is great in the open but is much better between the tackles. He hits the hole, while Booker danced too much his whole career except in the bowl game v. UCLA. I see Leon's baseline potential as a solid third down back with very nice value in PPR leagues, with upside as a limited basis, fill-in starter. I see Booker as more of a pure third down/second string guy. Finally, regarding their builds, they're both obviously smaller, but Leon is much more solid and stocky, with thick legs and runs low, while Booker's mass is mainly in the upper body with thinner legs, and runs more upright. He doesn't run through many tackles.

Leon will be the feature back for the Jets in 08.

I'd have to disagree. I think Thomas Jones is going to remind folks a lot of Curtis Martin in his heyday with the Jets. TJ should be the featured back in NY for the next 2 or 3 seasons. He's durable, a hard worker, good locker room presence and an all around solid guy you want on a playoff contending team. I don't see much chance of Leon being the feature back prior to 2010 short of TJ suffering a major injury. Just my opinion.

 

[Gravity]

Leon strikes me as the prototypical 3rd down back. Doubt he'll ever be a true feature back in the long term.

 

[Irish]

Lorenzo Booker is supposed to be very similar and supposedly had/has more talent.

To complete this aside, I like Leon's dynasty prospects much more than Booker's b/c he is much more versatile. Booker is more of a pure space guy. Leon is great in the open but is much better between the tackles. He hits the hole, while Booker danced too much his whole career except in the bowl game v. UCLA. I see Leon's baseline potential as a solid third down back with very nice value in PPR leagues, with upside as a limited basis, fill-in starter. I see Booker as more of a pure third down/second string guy. Finally, regarding their builds, they're both obviously smaller, but Leon is much more solid and stocky, with thick legs and runs low, while Booker's mass is mainly in the upper body with thinner legs, and runs more upright. He doesn't run through many tackles.

Leon will be the feature back for the Jets in 08.

I'd have to disagree. I think Thomas Jones is going to remind folks a lot of Curtis Martin in his heyday with the Jets. TJ should be the featured back in NY for the next 2 or 3 seasons. He's durable, a hard worker, good locker room presence and an all around solid guy you want on a playoff contending team. I don't see much chance of Leon being the feature back prior to 2010 short of TJ suffering a major injury. Just my opinion.

TJ has started 16 games in a season only once in his career. I wouldn't call that Favresque.

 

[konastitch]

Lorenzo Booker is supposed to be very similar and supposedly had/has more talent.

To complete this aside, I like Leon's dynasty prospects much more than Booker's b/c he is much more versatile. Booker is more of a pure space guy. Leon is great in the open but is much better between the tackles. He hits the hole, while Booker danced too much his whole career except in the bowl game v. UCLA. I see Leon's baseline potential as a solid third down back with very nice value in PPR leagues, with upside as a limited basis, fill-in starter. I see Booker as more of a pure third down/second string guy. Finally, regarding their builds, they're both obviously smaller, but Leon is much more solid and stocky, with thick legs and runs low, while Booker's mass is mainly in the upper body with thinner legs, and runs more upright. He doesn't run through many tackles.

:X Leon will be the feature back for the Jets in 08.

I'd have to disagree. I think Thomas Jones is going to remind folks a lot of Curtis Martin in his heyday with the Jets. TJ should be the featured back in NY for the next 2 or 3 seasons. He's durable, a hard worker, good locker room presence and an all around solid guy you want on a playoff contending team. I don't see much chance of Leon being the feature back prior to 2010 short of TJ suffering a major injury. Just my opinion.

TJ has started 16 games in a season only once in his career. I wouldn't call that Favresque.

Since 2003, he has played in 16, 14, 15, and 16 games...not bad as RBs go. I never said "Favresque" as very few players in the NFL (regardless of position) are "Favresque".

 

[Irish]

Lorenzo Booker is supposed to be very similar and supposedly had/has more talent.

To complete this aside, I like Leon's dynasty prospects much more than Booker's b/c he is much more versatile. Booker is more of a pure space guy. Leon is great in the open but is much better between the tackles. He hits the hole, while Booker danced too much his whole career except in the bowl game v. UCLA. I see Leon's baseline potential as a solid third down back with very nice value in PPR leagues, with upside as a limited basis, fill-in starter. I see Booker as more of a pure third down/second string guy. Finally, regarding their builds, they're both obviously smaller, but Leon is much more solid and stocky, with thick legs and runs low, while Booker's mass is mainly in the upper body with thinner legs, and runs more upright. He doesn't run through many tackles.

Leon will be the feature back for the Jets in 08.

I'd have to disagree. I think Thomas Jones is going to remind folks a lot of Curtis Martin in his heyday with the Jets. TJ should be the featured back in NY for the next 2 or 3 seasons. He's durable, a hard worker, good locker room presence and an all around solid guy you want on a playoff contending team. I don't see much chance of Leon being the feature back prior to 2010 short of TJ suffering a major injury. Just my opinion.

TJ has started 16 games in a season only once in his career. I wouldn't call that Favresque.

Since 2003, he has played in 16, 14, 15, and 16 games...not bad as RBs go. I never said "Favresque" as very few players in the NFL (regardless of position) are "Favresque".

In 2003 he only started 3 games so that yr does not help your case. 2004 he missed 2 games and in a 3rd, he only had 1 carry so he really only played in 13 games that yr. Last yr he averaged only 12 carries/game the last 5 weeks due to him being dinged up. Durable is LT not TJ.

 

[konastitch]

Lorenzo Booker is supposed to be very similar and supposedly had/has more talent.

To complete this aside, I like Leon's dynasty prospects much more than Booker's b/c he is much more versatile. Booker is more of a pure space guy. Leon is great in the open but is much better between the tackles. He hits the hole, while Booker danced too much his whole career except in the bowl game v. UCLA. I see Leon's baseline potential as a solid third down back with very nice value in PPR leagues, with upside as a limited basis, fill-in starter. I see Booker as more of a pure third down/second string guy. Finally, regarding their builds, they're both obviously smaller, but Leon is much more solid and stocky, with thick legs and runs low, while Booker's mass is mainly in the upper body with thinner legs, and runs more upright. He doesn't run through many tackles.

Leon will be the feature back for the Jets in 08.

I'd have to disagree. I think Thomas Jones is going to remind folks a lot of Curtis Martin in his heyday with the Jets. TJ should be the featured back in NY for the next 2 or 3 seasons. He's durable, a hard worker, good locker room presence and an all around solid guy you want on a playoff contending team. I don't see much chance of Leon being the feature back prior to 2010 short of TJ suffering a major injury. Just my opinion.

TJ has started 16 games in a season only once in his career. I wouldn't call that Favresque.

Since 2003, he has played in 16, 14, 15, and 16 games...not bad as RBs go. I never said "Favresque" as very few players in the NFL (regardless of position) are "Favresque".

In 2003 he only started 3 games so that yr does not help your case. 2004 he missed 2 games and in a 3rd, he only had 1 carry so he really only played in 13 games that yr. Last yr he averaged only 12 carries/game the last 5 weeks due to him being dinged up. Durable is LT not TJ.

Jones is more durable than most at his position. End of story.The simple fact remains that there is very little chance Leon Washington will be the feature back in NY by as early as next season. It's just not going to happen unless TJ blows an ACL or ruptures an achilles or something of that nature. TJ still has several very productive years as a feature back (70+% of the RB touches) in the right system and as far as I'm concerned he's a great fit for what the Jets are trying to do. He's a Mangini kinda guy. Sorry if you're a Leon Washington dynasty owner, but he's going to be relegated to COP, 3rd down, situational role for the Jets for the next couple years. It's just the way it's gonna be.

 

[EBF]

Washington will be riding the pine for at least two seasons. He might get a chance to start after that, but he's not a dynamic talent. I'll be surprised if he emerges in the future as an NFL feature back.

 

[Irish]

Lorenzo Booker is supposed to be very similar and supposedly had/has more talent.

To complete this aside, I like Leon's dynasty prospects much more than Booker's b/c he is much more versatile. Booker is more of a pure space guy. Leon is great in the open but is much better between the tackles. He hits the hole, while Booker danced too much his whole career except in the bowl game v. UCLA. I see Leon's baseline potential as a solid third down back with very nice value in PPR leagues, with upside as a limited basis, fill-in starter. I see Booker as more of a pure third down/second string guy. Finally, regarding their builds, they're both obviously smaller, but Leon is much more solid and stocky, with thick legs and runs low, while Booker's mass is mainly in the upper body with thinner legs, and runs more upright. He doesn't run through many tackles.

Leon will be the feature back for the Jets in 08.

I'd have to disagree. I think Thomas Jones is going to remind folks a lot of Curtis Martin in his heyday with the Jets. TJ should be the featured back in NY for the next 2 or 3 seasons. He's durable, a hard worker, good locker room presence and an all around solid guy you want on a playoff contending team. I don't see much chance of Leon being the feature back prior to 2010 short of TJ suffering a major injury. Just my opinion.

TJ has started 16 games in a season only once in his career. I wouldn't call that Favresque.

Since 2003, he has played in 16, 14, 15, and 16 games...not bad as RBs go. I never said "Favresque" as very few players in the NFL (regardless of position) are "Favresque".

In 2003 he only started 3 games so that yr does not help your case. 2004 he missed 2 games and in a 3rd, he only had 1 carry so he really only played in 13 games that yr. Last yr he averaged only 12 carries/game the last 5 weeks due to him being dinged up. Durable is LT not TJ.

Jones is more durable than most at his position. End of story.The simple fact remains that there is very little chance Leon Washington will be the feature back in NY by as early as next season. It's just not going to happen unless TJ blows an ACL or ruptures an achilles or something of that nature. TJ still has several very productive years as a feature back (70+% of the RB touches) in the right system and as far as I'm concerned he's a great fit for what the Jets are trying to do. He's a Mangini kinda guy. Sorry if you're a Leon Washington dynasty owner, but he's going to be relegated to COP, 3rd down, situational role for the Jets for the next couple years. It's just the way it's gonna be.

Got the lottery numbers for the next drawing. People were saying the same thing about some 3rd string rb two yrs ago .........his name is Willie Parker.

 

[hephner]

Lorenzo Booker is supposed to be very similar and supposedly had/has more talent.

To complete this aside, I like Leon's dynasty prospects much more than Booker's b/c he is much more versatile. Booker is more of a pure space guy. Leon is great in the open but is much better between the tackles. He hits the hole, while Booker danced too much his whole career except in the bowl game v. UCLA. I see Leon's baseline potential as a solid third down back with very nice value in PPR leagues, with upside as a limited basis, fill-in starter. I see Booker as more of a pure third down/second string guy. Finally, regarding their builds, they're both obviously smaller, but Leon is much more solid and stocky, with thick legs and runs low, while Booker's mass is mainly in the upper body with thinner legs, and runs more upright. He doesn't run through many tackles.

Leon will be the feature back for the Jets in 08.

I'd have to disagree. I think Thomas Jones is going to remind folks a lot of Curtis Martin in his heyday with the Jets. TJ should be the featured back in NY for the next 2 or 3 seasons. He's durable, a hard worker, good locker room presence and an all around solid guy you want on a playoff contending team. I don't see much chance of Leon being the feature back prior to 2010 short of TJ suffering a major injury. Just my opinion.

TJ has started 16 games in a season only once in his career. I wouldn't call that Favresque.

Since 2003, he has played in 16, 14, 15, and 16 games...not bad as RBs go. I never said "Favresque" as very few players in the NFL (regardless of position) are "Favresque".

In 2003 he only started 3 games so that yr does not help your case. 2004 he missed 2 games and in a 3rd, he only had 1 carry so he really only played in 13 games that yr. Last yr he averaged only 12 carries/game the last 5 weeks due to him being dinged up. Durable is LT not TJ.

TJ was dinged up a bit last year down the stretch, but the drop in carries had as much to do with Benson's emergence and success in the running game (and fresh legs going into the playoffs), as his being hurt. It was full blown RBBC by the end of the year.

 

[Bears_Man2]

Been making sure to grab both Leon and Booker at RB4 and RB5's in the couple of PPR dynasty leagues I'm involved. While they may not ever be the full feature backs, I think they can be very successful with 125-150 carries/season with their receiving ability. (I am of the thinking that the 2-RB system will be used on more teams than not in the future)

JMO But if Cam uses Booker in the future in the same fashion Payton used Bush in 2006, the Dolphins and Ronnie Brown will be more successful. Booker is electric in open space. Obviously throwing to Chambers infinite times with a horrible catch % isn't working. I really like the moves the Phins made on the O side of the ball in the offseason.

 

[Jon_Moore]

Showed some serious play making ability tonight. (Wait's for "it's only preseason")

Broke a kickoff return for 86 yards to set up the Jones touchdown run.

Broke a 25 yard run and a 13 yard reception. I think the Jets are going to be looking for ways to keep him involved in the offense. Could turn into a Mike Anderson/Tatum Bell situation.

Washington's receiving ability will be a big boost, especially in ppr.

 

[Irish]

Showed some serious play making ability tonight. (Wait's for "it's only preseason")Broke a kickoff return for 86 yards to set up the Jones touchdown run.Broke a 25 yard run and a 13 yard reception. I think the Jets are going to be looking for ways to keep him involved in the offense. Could turn into a Mike Anderson/Tatum Bell situation. Washington's receiving ability will be a big boost, especially in ppr.

I'm telling anybody that will listen that this Washinton kid is the real deal. Everyone used to think Tiki Barber was just a 3rd down type of back also and I said the same thing about him and drafted him his rookie year.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

This kid has game. He has speed, but actually has deceptive power as well. He looked really good in a starting role against a good defense in the preseason game against the Vikes. He will definitely steal touches from Jones this season.

 

[Jon_Moore]

Showed some serious play making ability tonight. (Wait's for "it's only preseason")Broke a kickoff return for 86 yards to set up the Jones touchdown run.Broke a 25 yard run and a 13 yard reception. I think the Jets are going to be looking for ways to keep him involved in the offense. Could turn into a Mike Anderson/Tatum Bell situation. Washington's receiving ability will be a big boost, especially in ppr.

I'm telling anybody that will listen that this Washinton kid is the real deal. Everyone used to think Tiki Barber was just a 3rd down type of back also and I said the same thing about him and drafted him his rookie year.

Oh, I agree completely.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Showed some serious play making ability tonight. (Wait's for "it's only preseason")Broke a kickoff return for 86 yards to set up the Jones touchdown run.Broke a 25 yard run and a 13 yard reception. I think the Jets are going to be looking for ways to keep him involved in the offense. Could turn into a Mike Anderson/Tatum Bell situation. Washington's receiving ability will be a big boost, especially in ppr.

I'm telling anybody that will listen that this Washinton kid is the real deal. Everyone used to think Tiki Barber was just a 3rd down type of back also and I said the same thing about him and drafted him his rookie year.

Oh, I agree completely.

I like him a lot too, and he will get more touches than people think, in my opinion. He is not a big back, but he is built pretty thick, especially his legs, and I think that is more important than weight when it comes to how much they could handle.

 

[ltaylor]

I am gradually starting to build faith in Leon both as a player and as a legitmate fantasy option this season especially in the PPR format. HE is being drafted as a #4/#5 RB but definitely has #3 RB (top 36 overall) RB upside in PPR. My newest projection is:

148 carries, 640 yards rushing, 3 TDs

35 catches, 330 yards, 1 TDs

156 Fantasy Points in PPR

#32 overall RB in PPR

 

[Bri]

I am gradually starting to build faith in Leon both as a player and as a legitmate fantasy option this season especially in the PPR format. HE is being drafted as a #4/#5 RB but definitely has #3 RB (top 36 overall) RB upside in PPR. My newest projection is:148 carries, 640 yards rushing, 3 TDs35 catches, 330 yards, 1 TDs156 Fantasy Points in PPR #32 overall RB in PPR

isn't that worse than last year?

 

[Jon_Moore]

I am gradually starting to build faith in Leon both as a player and as a legitmate fantasy option this season especially in the PPR format. HE is being drafted as a #4/#5 RB but definitely has #3 RB (top 36 overall) RB upside in PPR. My newest projection is:148 carries, 640 yards rushing, 3 TDs35 catches, 330 yards, 1 TDs156 Fantasy Points in PPR #32 overall RB in PPR

isn't that worse than last year?

10 catches, 70 yards more, 3 less carries. I see a bigger increase in touches than that

 

[Bri]

I am gradually starting to build faith in Leon both as a player and as a legitmate fantasy option this season especially in the PPR format. HE is being drafted as a #4/#5 RB but definitely has #3 RB (top 36 overall) RB upside in PPR. My newest projection is:148 carries, 640 yards rushing, 3 TDs35 catches, 330 yards, 1 TDs156 Fantasy Points in PPR #32 overall RB in PPR

isn't that worse than last year?

10 catches, 70 yards more, 3 less carries. I see a bigger increase in touches than that

didn't seem right to me. I think the rushing yards are less or identical, too lazy to look.32nd ranked RB didn't seem like glowing praise either, what's that? worst NFL starter then?Curious post above isn't it?

 

[ltaylor]

Where were you two when they signed T. Jones to a $20 million dollar contract this offseason?????????? L. Washington is being drafted as about the #40 to #50 overall RB, so predicting him to be a mid-tier 3rd RB is obviously more than most think he will do. Based on the PD, only Bob Henry has him with stats even close to my numbers although they are still below mine. Several staff members are projecting him for no more than 400 yards rushing and about 10-15 catches.

So yes, the consensus is that T. Jones will be used in a workhorse role and get 70% to 80% of the carries. Whether you want to admit it or not, people who believe L. Washington will get close to or above 150 carries this year are in the overwhelming minority.

 

[jeter23]

The one thing I know is that the few times I watched the Jets play last year, Leon Washington was making plays, and you had to notice him when he had the ball.

I agree with Tony. So often we get caught up analyzing stats, size, depth charts etc, but there are some guys that just make plays. I think Leon is a guy I would be trying to acquire in dynasty leagues, especially if he can be had fairly cheap. I would love to get him for an 08 2nd.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

The one thing I know is that the few times I watched the Jets play last year, Leon Washington was making plays, and you had to notice him when he had the ball.

I agree with Tony. So often we get caught up analyzing stats, size, depth charts etc, but there are some guys that just make plays. I think Leon is a guy I would be trying to acquire in dynasty leagues, especially if he can be had fairly cheap. I would love to get him for an 08 2nd.

Agreed here as well, the guy makes plays, and the team will need him to get touces to make those plays. He will be returning punts and kick offs as part of a way to get those touches, but he will be playing RB more then many are giving him credit for. He definitely has much more upside in dynasty than redraft as T. Jones will be given every opportunity to succedd this season, but don't discount Leon's ability.

 

[kensat30]

I see Leon Washington's role getting bigger every year he is in the league. Thomas Jones is a minor setback, but eventually talent is going to win through. Leon is a better player than Thomas in almost every aspect of the game IMO. Leon Washington right now reminds me a lot of Brian Westbrook's early career. When on the field, the guy is dynamite.

 

[whodeywhodey]

I love Leon too. When the Bengals had a healthy Chris Perry they were almost unstoppable because he gave them another dimension at RB. That season he was on pace to shatter the Bengals' record of receiving by a RB. I think the Washington plays a very similar role and he will be one of the steals of the draft based on his ADP.

I'm not saying that he will be MJD but he very well might be a "poor man's" MJD based on where he is being drafted and the chance that he demolishes his ADP.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Leon is a lot like W. Parker and both Parker and Leon are trying (and remind me) of T. Barber. Given the chance Leon could be a good starting RB in the leauge and I think by what he is showing I am sure he is surprising a lot of fantasy players.

 

[Rovers]

I expect to see more of a 60-40 split between TJ and Leon. There will even be a week or two when Washington gets more touches than Jones does. That isn't to mention that both RB's will be on the field at the same time on occassion. They like to line Washington up and then split him outside. Yes, I've seen this at TC, and Mangini has talked about it as well. This team's O line cannot run block very well, so the faster the RB is in getting outside, the better. Any running lanes this line opens disappear quickly. Both RB's have more value in PPR leagues.

I'd liken Washington's upside to that of a David Megget.

 

[whodeywhodey]

They like to line Washington up and then split him outside. Yes, I've seen this at TC, and Mangini has talked about it as well.

I love when people give us their first hand opinion based on things that they have seen that very few others are privy to.

 

[Rovers]

They like to line Washington up and then split him outside. Yes, I've seen this at TC, and Mangini has talked about it as well.

I love when people give us their first hand opinion based on things that they have seen that very few others are privy to.

I've made it to 3 practices so far... I usually get to more than that. One thing, probably the primary reason IF the Jets' running game improves this year won't be because of Jones imo, but because the Jets finally got a good run blocking FB that can open a running lane. Barnes slams into tacklers, and in the past the Jets haven't used a FB in that capacity very often. Most recent Jets FB were of the reciever variety, not a guy like Barnes that can really hit. They haven't shown it yet in a preseason game, but they have a GL package that is interesting. TE S Ryans goes in motion as a HB, and turns upfield to block behind the other TE, Baker. Then Barnes throws a lead block in front of the RB. That's a lot of bodies going into the defense's left side. They run two variations... where either Baker or Ryans will throw a chip block, and head to the corner of the end zone. Then the RB swings to the right sideline as an outlet. Could be tough to defend, and might help the Jets' RB's some as far as TD's go.

 

[Irish]

They like to line Washington up and then split him outside. Yes, I've seen this at TC, and Mangini has talked about it as well.

I love when people give us their first hand opinion based on things that they have seen that very few others are privy to.

I've made it to 3 practices so far... I usually get to more than that. One thing, probably the primary reason IF the Jets' running game improves this year won't be because of Jones imo, but because the Jets finally got a good run blocking FB that can open a running lane. Barnes slams into tacklers, and in the past the Jets haven't used a FB in that capacity very often. Most recent Jets FB were of the reciever variety, not a guy like Barnes that can really hit. They haven't shown it yet in a preseason game, but they have a GL package that is interesting. TE S Ryans goes in motion as a HB, and turns upfield to block behind the other TE, Baker. Then Barnes throws a lead block in front of the RB. That's a lot of bodies going into the defense's left side. They run two variations... where either Baker or Ryans will throw a chip block, and head to the corner of the end zone. Then the RB swings to the right sideline as an outlet. Could be tough to defend, and might help the Jets' RB's some as far as TD's go.

Oh great Belichick will read this and now will be prepared to stop this play. Downgrade all Jets rbs.