LeSean McCoy wont last (1 Viewer)

[Amused to Death]

This was a better forum when it was moderated. Not referring to the OP because that was addressed. But others should read the thread before posting. Mods used to delete the crap and merge similar threads. Not so much in '13 apparently.

 

[EHRMAHGERD]

This was a better forum when it was moderated. Not referring to the OP because that was addressed. But others should read the thread before posting. Mods used to delete the crap and merge similar threads. Not so much in '13 apparently.

Well its kind of my bad... I made the mistake this morning.. and just kept bumping it all day for kicks.

 

[Clifford]

I'm going to go ahead and injure him myself. I can't take the suspense.

you have injured him already...verbally.

I'm going Tonya Harding on his ###

 

[Art_VanDalay]

You know the whole oh shucks we can't plan for injuries dos why bother is nonsense to me. If a guy has a propensity to get hurt (Andre Brown) or is being abused in his situation, you should take notice and not just hope for the best. I know it is only one game and I think Chip will dial back the touches for Shady, especially with capable Brown behind him. To not be concerned about 30 plus carries a game though is foolish and asking for it IMO. If I owned McCoy I would be making sure I had Brown. Concussion history is very dicey in the new NFL. I don't own either but it's clear to me that Brown is the best handcuff in the league, including Tate.

 

[EHRMAHGERD]

You know the whole oh shucks we can't plan for injuries dos why bother is nonsense to me. If a guy has a propensity to get hurt (Andre Brown) or is being abused in his situation, you should take notice and not just hope for the best. I know it is only one game and I think Chip will dial back the touches for Shady, especially with capable Brown behind him. To not be concerned about 30 plus carries a game though is foolish and asking for it IMO. If I owned McCoy I would be making sure I had Brown. Concussion history is very dicey in the new NFL. I don't own either but it's clear to me that Brown is the best handcuff in the league, including Tate.

Proud LeSean McCoy and Bryce Brown owner got him off waivers last night.

 

[Peter Lemonjello]

Man, the quality of this forum has taken a nose dive. And not because of things like the OP, but because of the following 50+ pissy comments where people are more concerned with making an example of someone than contributing to what could be a valid discussion.

 

[Donnybrook]

I would drop Le'veon Bell for Bryce Brown. Pittsburgh has some real issues.

 

[SameSongNDance]

You'd expect McCoy to have out-touched everyone by a mile by last week but that isn't/wasn't the case. Murray touched the ball 28 times, Martin 26 times and both D. Richardson and R.Bush 25 times. Murray and Bush (already dinged up) have obvious durability concerns yet no one is talking about over use as it pertains to them. Richardson is a small-ish back who many question whether he can handle a full work load but I haven't heard a peep about him.

Furthermore, the utilization numbers are even closer (McCoy 32, Murray 30, Martin 30, Bush 29, Richardson 26). People are treating McCoy's usage as some type of huge outlier when statistically they are incorrect.

I guess this all has to do with perception, since the WAS/PHI game was front and center for the entire nation but I think we should be more worried about Murray/Bush personally. Murray breaks down after 180ish touches yearly (1/6th of the way there) and Bush's injuries on turf are well documented.

 

[EHRMAHGERD]

You'd expect McCoy to have out-touched everyone by a mile by last week but that isn't/wasn't the case. Murray touched the ball 28 times, Martin 26 times and both D. Richardson and R.Bush 25 times. Murray and Bush (already dinged up) have obvious durability concerns yet no one is talking about over use as it pertains to them. Richardson is a small-ish back who many question whether he can handle a full work load but I haven't heard a peep about him.

Furthermore, the utilization numbers are even closer (McCoy 32, Murray 30, Martin 30, Bush 29, Richardson 26). People are treating McCoy's usage as some type of huge outlier when statistically they are incorrect.

I guess this all has to do with perception, since the WAS/PHI game was front and center for the entire nation but I think we should be more worried about Murray/Bush personally. Murray breaks down after 180ish touches yearly (1/6th of the way there) and Bush's injuries on turf are well documented.

The scoring potential of the Eagles offense is what makes Bryce Brown so valuable. If McCoy goes down you still want a piece of that offense. Even if McCoy gets a minor injury I would rather have Bryce Brown over any other RB2

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

You'd expect McCoy to have out-touched everyone by a mile by last week but that isn't/wasn't the case. Murray touched the ball 28 times, Martin 26 times and both D. Richardson and R.Bush 25 times. Murray and Bush (already dinged up) have obvious durability concerns yet no one is talking about over use as it pertains to them. Richardson is a small-ish back who many question whether he can handle a full work load but I haven't heard a peep about him.

pretty sure you're wrong about that, and this is coming from a bush owner.

not complaining, mind you.

 

[EHRMAHGERD]

You'd expect McCoy to have out-touched everyone by a mile by last week but that isn't/wasn't the case. Murray touched the ball 28 times, Martin 26 times and both D. Richardson and R.Bush 25 times. Murray and Bush (already dinged up) have obvious durability concerns yet no one is talking about over use as it pertains to them. Richardson is a small-ish back who many question whether he can handle a full work load but I haven't heard a peep about him.

pretty sure you're wrong about that, and this is coming from a bush owner.

not complaining, mind you.

yeah Joique Bell sound familiar.

 

[SameSongNDance]

You'd expect McCoy to have out-touched everyone by a mile by last week but that isn't/wasn't the case. Murray touched the ball 28 times, Martin 26 times and both D. Richardson and R.Bush 25 times. Murray and Bush (already dinged up) have obvious durability concerns yet no one is talking about over use as it pertains to them. Richardson is a small-ish back who many question whether he can handle a full work load but I haven't heard a peep about him.

pretty sure you're wrong about that, and this is coming from a bush owner.

not complaining, mind you.

Wrong about him already being dinged, durability concerns or that no one talking about over-use?

As for being dinged up, he dislocated his left thumb and tweaked is groin last Sunday.

As for there being durability issues, we all know how he faired in NO and many think it has to do with the turf surface. In MIA he played on grass and seemed to be fine. He's now back on turf in DET. Now, I'm not saying he will undoubtedly get seriously injured but I do believe there is a correlation, whether it be weak or strong.

As for over-use, it looks like Shwartz is talking about it..

Coach Jim Schwartz said he has no plans to limit Reggie Bush's workload going forward.
Bush dislocated his left thumb and tweaked his groin while piling up 25 touches in a win over the Vikings. "That's life in the big city," Schwartz said. "You're a running back in the NFL, there's going to be some Mondays where you're not going to be feeling great. ... Reggie's a tough guy." Bush is not in any real danger of missing Week 2, and another 20 touches against the Cardinals is very possible. Still, underrated backup Joique Bell should be owned across the board in fantasy leagues

 

[rockaction]

McCoy complains about workload

 

[Amused to Death]

McCoy complains about workload

I don't he's complaining as much as he is acknowledging the heavy workload. Reports following that game were that McCoy didn't want to come out. Here's an article that goes into more detail from ESPN.

PHILADELPHIA – Michael Vick knew it after one quarter. The Philadelphia Eagles ran 30 offensive plays in fast-break mode on a humid night, and the quarterback said he felt like it was halftime.

“The only thing I could tell myself is, it’s going to be a long season,” Vick said.

LeSean McCoy didn’t realize it until later. He was having too much fun, carrying the ball 31 times for 184 yards and taking advantage of a fatigued Washington defense.

“Sometimes when you’re rolling, you don’t really feel it,” McCoy said Thursday. “I was gassed. What kind of motivates the offense is, I’m tired. But I know the defense is way tireder than I am. When I’m breathing hard and I look across and see them breathing harder, that gives me extra motivation.”

Coach Chip Kelly acknowledged this week that it will be up to him and his staff to monitor the starters’ playing time.

“There were times they didn't want to come out,” Kelly said. “They've got to understand, if we're going to get that many snaps, we need to make sure we manage it so when we're in the fourth quarter, we're fresher. … We’ve got to do a better job of rotating some of those guys. We've talked about it as a staff.

“When you're going to play that many snaps, you’ve got to make sure you don't run your own team into the ground.”

McCoy played his first four seasons for Andy Reid, who handed the ball off as a last resort. So McCoy isn’t used to being asked about carrying the ball too much. But he acknowledged that, as much as he enjoyed this one game, that might be an unrealistic workload every week.

The NFL record for rushing attempts in a season is 416, by Kansas City’s Larry Johnson in 2006. At 31 a game, McCoy would break that mark by 80 carries. Of course, he would probably break himself long before he got there.

Kelly said there was no ideal number of carries in his mind. It is “just how the game is going to express itself,” he said. But his job isn’t just to manage a game. It’s to manage the entire team through the entire season. Bryce Brown had nine carries Monday night, but Chris Polk, the third back, didn’t touch the ball at all.

“I didn’t mind Monday night,” McCoy said. “We’ll do a better job of rotating our backs. Because it’s a long season.”

It is, but only if you’re healthy for the whole thing.

 

[tdhartis]

McCoy complains about workload

Is today opposite day? It's rare to see a RB complain about too many touches, especially in a one game sample size. I don't own either McCoy or Brown, so I don't want to come across as biased, but him vocalizing this certainly speaks to his concern over his own durability and reinforces some of the opinions on here to an extent.

EDIT: the post above shines a much different light on the situation. thanks for posting.

 

[fbelange]

I dont own McCoy, but his owner just dropped him and I put in a claim on waivers (dropping Vereen for him). Really hoping that move will pan out.

Speaking back toa previous poster, you claim Demarco Murray is already banged up? Am i missing something? I hope he isn't, I have him and Joique Bell starting this week. RB is my weakest unit and g-damnit I need a productive Murray until either Gio, B Brown, or Bradshaw can break out.

 

[Shutout]

I dont own McCoy, but his owner just dropped him and I put in a claim on waivers (dropping Vereen for him). Really hoping that move will pan out.

Speaking back toa previous poster, you claim Demarco Murray is already banged up? Am i missing something? I hope he isn't, I have him and Joique Bell starting this week. RB is my weakest unit and g-damnit I need a productive Murray until either Gio, B Brown, or Bradshaw can break out.

HUH?? In what universe is McCoy droppable under any circumstanceS?

 

[T with T]

I dont own McCoy, but his owner just dropped him and I put in a claim on waivers (dropping Vereen for him). Really hoping that move will pan out.

Speaking back toa previous poster, you claim Demarco Murray is already banged up? Am i missing something? I hope he isn't, I have him and Joique Bell starting this week. RB is my weakest unit and g-damnit I need a productive Murray until either Gio, B Brown, or Bradshaw can break out.

HUH?? In what universe is McCoy droppable under any circumstanceS?

it must be an all woman league... yea that comment doesn't even make sense let's drop mccoy he is just probably one of the top 2 backs in the league. Get real FB

 

[T with T]

I dont own McCoy, but his owner just dropped him and I put in a claim on waivers (dropping Vereen for him). Really hoping that move will pan out.

Speaking back toa previous poster, you claim Demarco Murray is already banged up? Am i missing something? I hope he isn't, I have him and Joique Bell starting this week. RB is my weakest unit and g-damnit I need a productive Murray until either Gio, B Brown, or Bradshaw can break out.

good luck with anyone other then GIO and cinci is to stupid, stubborn to let GIO go unless BJGE goes down hurt which is a poss. Mike Brown is a cocky little twit who is paying BJGE to much money to bench even though GIO is by far the better player. They are just that dumb, greedy, money dependent, and shallow.

 

[rockaction]

I dont own McCoy, but his owner just dropped him and I put in a claim on waivers (dropping Vereen for him). Really hoping that move will pan out.

Speaking back toa previous poster, you claim Demarco Murray is already banged up? Am i missing something? I hope he isn't, I have him and Joique Bell starting this week. RB is my weakest unit and g-damnit I need a productive Murray until either Gio, B Brown, or Bradshaw can break out.

HUH?? In what universe is McCoy droppable under any circumstanceS?

That's truly awful. You could be in a four team league and you wouldn't drop McCoy. This is odd.

 

[JuniorNB]

I dont own McCoy, but his owner just dropped him and I put in a claim on waivers (dropping Vereen for him). Really hoping that move will pan out.

Speaking back toa previous poster, you claim Demarco Murray is already banged up? Am i missing something? I hope he isn't, I have him and Joique Bell starting this week. RB is my weakest unit and g-damnit I need a productive Murray until either Gio, B Brown, or Bradshaw can break out.

HUH?? In what universe is McCoy droppable under any circumstanceS?

I think he was making a joke. Earlier in the thread, people were making light of the fact that the thread-starter was implying that McCoy owners should want him to be used less. That morphed into owners saying that they hope they only give him 15 touches, to some saying they hope he gets pulled in the red zone, to some even saying they're so worried about his 2 touches that they were dropping him. So I think this guy was suggesting that someone actually DID drop him.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

I dont own McCoy, but his owner just dropped him and I put in a claim on waivers (dropping Vereen for him). Really hoping that move will pan out.

Speaking back toa previous poster, you claim Demarco Murray is already banged up? Am i missing something? I hope he isn't, I have him and Joique Bell starting this week. RB is my weakest unit and g-damnit I need a productive Murray until either Gio, B Brown, or Bradshaw can break out.

HUH?? In what universe is McCoy droppable under any circumstanceS?

it must be an all woman league... yea that comment doesn't even make sense let's drop mccoy he is just probably one of the top 2 backs in the league. Get real FB

That's not cool.

 

[fbelange]

I dont own McCoy, but his owner just dropped him and I put in a claim on waivers (dropping Vereen for him). Really hoping that move will pan out.

Speaking back toa previous poster, you claim Demarco Murray is already banged up? Am i missing something? I hope he isn't, I have him and Joique Bell starting this week. RB is my weakest unit and g-damnit I need a productive Murray until either Gio, B Brown, or Bradshaw can break out.

HUH?? In what universe is McCoy droppable under any circumstanceS?

it must be an all woman league... yea that comment doesn't even make sense let's drop mccoy he is just probably one of the top 2 backs in the league. Get real FB

That's not cool.

Whoops, I meant BRYCE BROWN (he owned both McCoy and Brown but dropped Brown). He is going to regret that

 

[LawFitz]

I stashed Bryce Brown at the end of my bench in both my leagues.

Explosive offense. Check.

Talented backup. Check.

Injury prone starter. Check.

If seen stashes like this win leagues many many times before.

 

[EHRMAHGERD]

Someone just dropped Bryce Brown in one of my leagues.... I have McCoy in all of them. Now I will have Bryce Brown stashed in all of them

 

[Amused to Death]

McCoy is not going to continue his week 1 workload. Even if he doesn't get injured (I don't agree with the injury prone label) BB is going to get touches. He could become a flex option even with a healthy McCoy.

 

[Billy Bats]

I stashed Bryce Brown at the end of my bench in both my leagues.

Explosive offense. Check.

Talented backup. Check.

Injury prone starter. Check.

If seen stashes like this win leagues many many times before.

Injury prone? Not so much, but good job handcuffing him just in case.

 

[Chaka]

You'd expect McCoy to have out-touched everyone by a mile by last week but that isn't/wasn't the case. Murray touched the ball 28 times, Martin 26 times and both D. Richardson and R.Bush 25 times. Murray and Bush (already dinged up) have obvious durability concerns yet no one is talking about over use as it pertains to them. Richardson is a small-ish back who many question whether he can handle a full work load but I haven't heard a peep about him.

Furthermore, the utilization numbers are even closer (McCoy 32, Murray 30, Martin 30, Bush 29, Richardson 26). People are treating McCoy's usage as some type of huge outlier when statistically they are incorrect.

I guess this all has to do with perception, since the WAS/PHI game was front and center for the entire nation but I think we should be more worried about Murray/Bush personally. Murray breaks down after 180ish touches yearly (1/6th of the way there) and Bush's injuries on turf are well documented.

I would be concerned about all of three of them. Martin looks built in the LT/Ray Rice mold so I wouldn't be as concerned about him.

 

[LawFitz]

I stashed Bryce Brown at the end of my bench in both my leagues.

Explosive offense. Check.

Talented backup. Check.

Injury prone starter. Check.

If seen stashes like this win leagues many many times before.

McCoy is not injury prone. He got a bad concussion late in the season last year and sat the last few games. Before that I don't think he's ever missed a game.

But I agree with the first two. Explosive offense, talented backup. And the Eagles will have more offensive plays than probably any other team in the league.

I love McCoy and would not have said this last year but,

- serious concussion last year, plus

- serious usage this year running the ball,

Makes me think he's prone to injury in 2013. Not all injury prone classifications are the same, but one hard noggin shot and this guy will be out for a while. If that happens during the stretch run, look out for Bryce Brown to be a PPG monster in this offense with McCoy's snaps.

 

[habsfan]

I stashed Bryce Brown at the end of my bench in both my leagues.

Explosive offense. Check.

Talented backup. Check.

Injury prone starter. Check.

If seen stashes like this win leagues many many times before.

McCoy is not injury prone. He got a bad concussion late in the season last year and sat the last few games. Before that I don't think he's ever missed a game.

But I agree with the first two. Explosive offense, talented backup. And the Eagles will have more offensive plays than probably any other team in the league.

Injury prone is not accurate but I would be lying if I said I didn't think about contingency with a guy who got stuck on stage 4 of his concussion protocol and missed 5 games at the end of last year.

 

[gadkins]

I tought the same thing watching the game. Something about the way he runs. It doesn't look like he protects himself and is in a position to get hurt. So I understand why this topic got started.

 

[SproutDaddy]

I stashed Bryce Brown at the end of my bench in both my leagues.

Explosive offense. Check.

Talented backup. Check.

Injury prone starter. Check.

If seen stashes like this win leagues many many times before.

McCoy is not injury prone. He got a bad concussion late in the season last year and sat the last few games. Before that I don't think he's ever missed a game.

But I agree with the first two. Explosive offense, talented backup. And the Eagles will have more offensive plays than probably any other team in the league.

I love McCoy and would not have said this last year but,

- serious concussion last year, plus

- serious usage this year running the ball,

Makes me think he's prone to injury in 2013. Not all injury prone classifications are the same, but one hard noggin shot and this guy will be out for a while. If that happens during the stretch run, look out for Bryce Brown to be a PPG monster in this offense with McCoy's snaps.

The shark pool........always entertaining.

 

[Rick James]

This place kills me. Spend all offseason complaining that "THERE ARE NO MORE WORKHORSE RBs", but when a guy gets 30 carries you hear cries of "HE WON'T LAST"

WTF do you want? You want him to get exactly 22 carries every game? He'll have a huge workload one week and a light one to offset it.

 

[pantherclub]

This place kills me. Spend all offseason complaining that "THERE ARE NO MORE WORKHORSE RBs", but when a guy gets 30 carries you hear cries of "HE WON'T LAST"

WTF do you want? You want him to get exactly 22 carries every game? He'll have a huge workload one week and a light one to offset it.

how are you privy to this type of info?

 

[Rick James]

This place kills me. Spend all offseason complaining that "THERE ARE NO MORE WORKHORSE RBs", but when a guy gets 30 carries you hear cries of "HE WON'T LAST"

WTF do you want? You want him to get exactly 22 carries every game? He'll have a huge workload one week and a light one to offset it.

how are you privy to this type of info?

I have (1) the power of deduction, and (2) a strong belief that Chip Kelly is not an idiot.

 

[jackdubl]

Let's not forget Bryce Brown is a fumble machine.

 

[rockaction]

This place kills me. Spend all offseason complaining that "THERE ARE NO MORE WORKHORSE RBs", but when a guy gets 30 carries you hear cries of "HE WON'T LAST"

WTF do you want? You want him to get exactly 22 carries every game? He'll have a huge workload one week and a light one to offset it.

When he's gassed on the sideline, and then talks about it, it's a legitimate topic for disucssion, IMO.

I don't own either guy, nor back-ups (damn), so I have no skin in this, but it's a topic.

 

[Chaka]

Personally I viewed McCoy as a "need handcuff" back just like I viewed a lot of other backs. For the high end of the draft there were a few RBs who, IMO, had durability concerns and I think it was important to grab their backups if they were capable runners. Foster/Tate, Spiller/Jackson, McCoy/Brown and Forte/Bush come to mind. Even Jamal Charles, Marshawn, and Reggie Bush were guys who I would have seriously considered going early to get their backups, even though we know less about those backups they demonstrated enough to be interested in them.

It doesn't seem like a bad strategy to me, if your high end starter goes down for any length of time you have someone to plug in at exactly the time that you need them. Sure they won't produce at exactly the same level but they are pretty much guaranteed to see plenty of action. No more hoping that this will be the week that Pierre Thomas, Danny Woodhead or Jaquizz Rodgers manages to find the end zone, you've got a 20 touch replacement. A few of those backups even have floater value as a RB 3 in their own right (like a Thomas, Woodhead or 'quizz).

At any rate I think it is a good idea for the LeSean owners to try and get Brown on their rosters.

 

[SportsGuru311]

I think that McCoy will last and be a beast in this offense. He will get many fantasy owners plenty of points. I picked him up in 5 of my drafts this year. I felt he would be a good pickup.

 

[Crazy 88]

Personally I viewed McCoy as a "need handcuff" back just like I viewed a lot of other backs. For the high end of the draft there were a few RBs who, IMO, had durability concerns and I think it was important to grab their backups if they were capable runners. Foster/Tate, Spiller/Jackson, McCoy/Brown and Forte/Bush come to mind. Even Jamal Charles, Marshawn, and Reggie Bush were guys who I would have seriously considered going early to get their backups, even though we know less about those backups they demonstrated enough to be interested in them.

It doesn't seem like a bad strategy to me, if your high end starter goes down for any length of time you have someone to plug in at exactly the time that you need them. Sure they won't produce at exactly the same level but they are pretty much guaranteed to see plenty of action. No more hoping that this will be the week that Pierre Thomas, Danny Woodhead or Jaquizz Rodgers manages to find the end zone, you've got a 20 touch replacement. A few of those backups even have floater value as a RB 3 in their own right (like a Thomas, Woodhead or 'quizz).

At any rate I think it is a good idea for the LeSean owners to try and get Brown on their rosters.

With the carry volume that it appears Philly run this season I think Brown will have RB3 value too. I have Polk on my roster in my main money league (deep rosters) as the handcuff for the McCoy/Brown tandem.

 

[ponchsox]

Thanks for think jinx OP!

 

[Judge Smails]

This was a normal play in a game he wasn't overused. Freak thing - could happen at any time. Ask Andre Brown.

 

[mr roboto]

This was a normal play in a game he wasn't overused. Freak thing - could happen at any time. Ask Andre Brown.

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