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So for those of you who have already drafted, where would you consider taking McCoy now?
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joffer
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I took him at 8.2 on Friday (12 team PPR). I think this vaults him a couple rounds into late 5th to mid 6th until usage is figured out on speculation. I have another draft tonight and that is where I think that I am OK taking a shot with him.
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shadyridr
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Cowboysfan8
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Wow. Am I missing something here?
What % of the RB touches you figure he’s going to get?
rockaction
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dkp993
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joffer
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zoonation
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rockaction
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Yeah, I've got McCoy as pretty much the immediate starter with lion's share, actually.
I think you guys are smoking something putting him in as the immediate starter and spending that high a pick on him.
I was listening to Sirius XM radio last night while driving yesterday and they gave a metric which showed how he averaged only 6 YPC and the league average is 8 YPC on what they called good blocking plays. This show aired before KC signed him and it mostly about how Singletary should be moving up drafts because even if he were just an average RB they said his numbers would put him as a RB3 and he would have RB2 potential if he were above average. I wish I could find a link to the show I heard.
When looking for the radio show I found the following: https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/rb/2018
This has him ranked 46th of all RBs last year with a Minimum of 100 rushes (47 RBs Ranked)
I will concede that sometimes a change of scenery might increase his motivation but he is still going to be a shell of himself during his prime.
I was listening to Sirius XM radio last night while driving yesterday and they gave a metric which showed how he averaged only 6 YPC and the league average is 8 YPC on what they called good blocking plays. This show aired before KC signed him and it mostly about how Singletary should be moving up drafts because even if he were just an average RB they said his numbers would put him as a RB3 and he would have RB2 potential if he were above average. I wish I could find a link to the show I heard.
When looking for the radio show I found the following: https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/rb/2018
This has him ranked 46th of all RBs last year with a Minimum of 100 rushes (47 RBs Ranked)
I will concede that sometimes a change of scenery might increase his motivation but he is still going to be a shell of himself during his prime.
zoonation
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The Bills oline was dog#### last year. I don’t read anything into his stats behind that line and in that joke of an offense.
rockaction
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You can't isolate stats in an individualized vacuum for football like baseball. That's why teams and publications pay for PFF advanced stats and visual grades.
I agree they were bad however he averaged only 6 YPC and the league average is 8 YPC on were good run blocking plays. Someone earlier in this thread had a link to offensive line ranking from last year and they weren't even in the bottom 10.
rockaction
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That was from this year and reflected the changes they had already made. KC's line will be much better regardless.
Manster
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McCoy was pretty much on my DND list in BUF. Now i'd grab him as my RB3, if it makes sense, in my draft. I'm betting someone will reach for him though. ALL offensive players in KC have value. D.Williams/McCoy could be interchangeable, and Thompsons value increases tremendously with one of them injured, which is a pretty good possibility at some point.
Gopher State
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65 percent of the touches and goal line work, he’s looking like a game changer in FF.
Gopher State
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I learned a long time ago you don’t draft players hoping for injuries, you will lose most of the time.
Cowboysfan8
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Wow wtf
Im wrong a lot, and might be wrong here, but I just don’t see it
rockaction
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I'm also wrong a lot -- especially when I only watch a player tangentially, like McCoy last year
:shrugs: We'll see. I changed my subscriber contest, that's how confident I am in him right now.
Fantasy Girl
Footballguy
Us too...although I moved from Florida to Minnesota 5 years ago and normally have to draft online now. Damn hurricane messing with our draft this year thoughIt’s my Christmas Day when my 20yr auction league gets together.
barackdhouse
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As much as I think McCoy is washed up, I can't think of a better spot for him to show what he has left. I'm so bummed for my DWilliams shares. Thankfully there aren't many of them. But I'm avoiding all KC running backs. I only have one draft left anyway but definitely not touching. I am going to assume McCoy gets the 1a role and will rotate with Williams for entire series at a time, where DW is the 1b. And with rose colored glasses maybe McCoy fades as the season goes on. But Reid can keep him fresh and they are going to destroy fools, harder schedule or not. I'm avoiding the RBs. Love Mahomes, Kelce and Hill.
Caveat - I am curious to see how cheap DWilliams gets. I'd rather take him pretty late than to reach for McCoy.
Caveat - I am curious to see how cheap DWilliams gets. I'd rather take him pretty late than to reach for McCoy.
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shadyridr
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shadyridr
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LESEAN MCCOYRB, KANSAS CITY CHIEFS
Brooke Pryor of the Kansas City Star expects LeSean McCoy "to take a large percentage" of the team's backfield reps.
Pryor still envisions Damien Williams as the nominal starter, though with McCoy on board, Kansas City now embodies all the familiar traits of an Andy Reid timeshare. There's still opportunity for Williams to carve out a meaningful fantasy role as a proven pass-catcher on arguably the league's best offense, though the threat of ceding goal-line work to Shady certainly throws a wrench in his quest for RB2 status. McCoy's arrival also complicates Darwin Thompson's path to carries in what has become a crowded Chiefs backfield.
Brooke Pryor of the Kansas City Star expects LeSean McCoy "to take a large percentage" of the team's backfield reps.
Pryor still envisions Damien Williams as the nominal starter, though with McCoy on board, Kansas City now embodies all the familiar traits of an Andy Reid timeshare. There's still opportunity for Williams to carve out a meaningful fantasy role as a proven pass-catcher on arguably the league's best offense, though the threat of ceding goal-line work to Shady certainly throws a wrench in his quest for RB2 status. McCoy's arrival also complicates Darwin Thompson's path to carries in what has become a crowded Chiefs backfield.
rockaction
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Now I play bitter Williams owner: Who in the heck is Brooke Pryor and why do we care unless she has sources?
cloppbeast
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Chris Ivory is unemployed, Keith Ford is 7th string for the Packers on a $600,000/year contract. LeSean McCoy was unemployed for all of 5 minutes, received $4 million guaranteed. The NFL didn't even wait til after the first game whence they would not have to guarantee his full year salary.
McCoy had a bad year last year, no covering that up; but he's not washed. He looked good in the pre-season. His poor 3.2 ypc serves as confirmation bias that he's got nothing left, because that's the assumption for every RB over the age of 30.
shadyridr
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ponchsox
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rockaction
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No, I know. I was kind of kidding, kind of not. If she's speculating without a contact, then that info. is useless. If she's hearing from inside the organization, then the info. is really pertinent and informative. But it doesn't say in the blurb.
rockaction
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Honestly my point is: it looks silly that I compared him to terrible backs just off of YPC correct? Isn’t is just as silly to dismiss his bad season based off of saying “his oline was bad!”... the advanced metrics are SUPPOSED to isolate the player from the team and they showed Shady was beyond bad. Whether Andy Reid, former coach with RB’s that have horrid profiles for NFL starters, wants to gift him an awesome contract or not. People are changing the narrative to fit what they want in their head which is: a stud RB in KC. I’m guessing they will have none. A three way split until McCoy proves to be a dumpster fire, Williams proves to be a former UDFA that can’t stay healthy or Thompson proves to be a 6th round pick from the WAC... this backfield is not at all worth the price of admission right now.
Coach3K
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Not really sure what's going to happen here. McCoy looked decent in spurts this preseason, and the KC offense could be an elixir of youth for him. Or, he could just suck or be part of a useless timeshare (for FF).
I'm trying to avoid claiming Shady in redraft, with the #1 post-draft waiver spot, after the original owner dropped him Friday. Given all the uncertainty, there's got to be someone else more worthy of that top WW spot after week 1, I'm thinking (continual rolling waivers).
I'm trying to avoid claiming Shady in redraft, with the #1 post-draft waiver spot, after the original owner dropped him Friday. Given all the uncertainty, there's got to be someone else more worthy of that top WW spot after week 1, I'm thinking (continual rolling waivers).
Banger
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This situation screams to me that McCoy will be the man. Williams is JAG...McCoy had great success with Reid and nearly immediately after being cut KC swoops in with a decent/good contract and takes him off the market. If he languished for a while and interest was tepid I’d likely have a different opinion but they wanted him and paid him. McCoy wont be a 20-25 touch guy but he won’t need to be in that offense to have really good value. I just wish I would’ve known this info when I was drafting last night.
Ghost Rider
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Exactly.
Not to mention that saying "familiar traits of Andy Reid timeshare" implies that Reid always employs a RBBC, which anyone with a memory knows is not the truth, unless we all just imagined Kareem Hunt, Jamaal Charles, Brian Westbrook and LeSean McCoy.
Banger
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I don’t know unless someone major gets injured. There likely is no better offense than KC and they have no clear stud starter or anything close. Reid likes to run with one guy historically and McCoy was his man in the past. All seems very simple and logical to me.
Truth seems to be subjective, as I have memories of:
Ware-Hunt, Knile Davis-Charles, Buckhalter-Westbrook and D. Lewis-McCoy.
Or were those just fever-dreams?
ponchsox
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cloppbeast
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Like I said, McCoy had a bad year. He wasn't really healthy, and it wasn't a good situation. These might sound like excuses, idk. The people fixated on last year and his ypc, these are those saying he is washed. Others who have watched him in the preseason might excuse his 2018 performance for reasons stated above. Reinforcing this is the contract he got from KC not a day after his release.
need2know
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That's the most telling thing to me. They paid him a good contract less than 24 hours after he was released. They wanted him. They did not go get him to sit him on the bench
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Shutout
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From the looks of these posts, I sense a ,out of people have a LOT invested in the KC rbs And are scrambling to justify mcCoys value (or lack thereof). I'm thinking Shady is going to show people the issue was more bills than shady deminishing. There is just very little reason to think that he wont do well on this kC team (unless of course Reid reverts back to treating RBS the way he used to when he had Jamaal Charles in his prime).
Pip's Invitation
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At first it was actually Buckhalter-Westbrook-Staley. By the mid '00s, Westbrook had taken over as Staley was done and Buckhalter couldn't stay healthy.
Lewis was never in an RBBC with McCoy. He spent most of his time with the Eagles on IR.
GroveDiesel
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McCoy is like an aging NBA shooting guard. When he was younger, he could create his own shot and explode to the rim. He could put up top level numbers no matter who was around him.
But now he's lost a little juice in his legs and he can't create on his own. He needs the right team and system around him to keep being productive. If he has the right guys around him and is given open space, he can be a productive jump shooter.
The problem last year was both Buffalo's awful O-line AND Shady. Both the O-line and system were not conducive to getting McCoy into open space. But instead of understanding reality and taking what was there, McCoy tried to play hero ball and do it all on his own every time he touched the ball. While Buffalo's other backs would take the little that was there and call it a day, Shady was constantly dancing in the backfield trying to break huge runs. In years past he could get away with that and create huge plays. But that burst and acceleration isn't quite there anymore and he got tackled for losses a TON because of it.
McCoy's ego and mindset won't admit that he's just a jumpshooter now. So he's going to keep being him. In KC, that could work as KC has enough other offensive talent (and scheme) to open up space for McCoy and keep him from doing too much leading to negative plays. I think Buffalo's O-line will be better this year, but I think they also know that Allen and the surrounding talent aren't at a place where they can be at 2nd and 13 or 3rd and 9 and find a lot of success.
But now he's lost a little juice in his legs and he can't create on his own. He needs the right team and system around him to keep being productive. If he has the right guys around him and is given open space, he can be a productive jump shooter.
The problem last year was both Buffalo's awful O-line AND Shady. Both the O-line and system were not conducive to getting McCoy into open space. But instead of understanding reality and taking what was there, McCoy tried to play hero ball and do it all on his own every time he touched the ball. While Buffalo's other backs would take the little that was there and call it a day, Shady was constantly dancing in the backfield trying to break huge runs. In years past he could get away with that and create huge plays. But that burst and acceleration isn't quite there anymore and he got tackled for losses a TON because of it.
McCoy's ego and mindset won't admit that he's just a jumpshooter now. So he's going to keep being him. In KC, that could work as KC has enough other offensive talent (and scheme) to open up space for McCoy and keep him from doing too much leading to negative plays. I think Buffalo's O-line will be better this year, but I think they also know that Allen and the surrounding talent aren't at a place where they can be at 2nd and 13 or 3rd and 9 and find a lot of success.
LawFitz
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Buffalo was atrocious last year for RB production. Rookie QB whose main (only?) threat was to run. Talk about stacked boxes! Add to that what by all accounts seems to have been a crap OL.
I'll wait to see how McCoy looks under the literally 180 degree situation before casting him aside. Thank you.
I'll wait to see how McCoy looks under the literally 180 degree situation before casting him aside. Thank you.
shadyridr
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