Terpman22
Footballguy
Nice post. I do about 90% of the same. The WW churning has been key for me, but I feel like I have to be a little more patient with my pickups. 2-4 weeks seems about the appropriate window I give for a WW pickup I really like.
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Lessons learned from 2013 - What are yours? (1 Viewer)
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Cheesesteak Vegas
Footballguy
I'm late to this party, but I wanted to chime in after reading a lot of great posts here.
What I came away with from this last year, was the importance of knowing your fellow league members and catching on to the collective trends that they are falling into. It's great to have the strategy from experts and the like, but you have to know if it is applicable to your situation.
For example, my league (which is standard scoring, 16 teams, 2 keepers) places a high premium on quarterbacks. Lots of folks advocated for waiting on QB last season, and in general I agreed with that assessment, it was a terrible decision on my part to follow that strategy in my league. 8 QBs were kept going into the draft and the remaining pool flew off the board. After the 4th round the only QBs that would end up being really relevant were Rivers and Foles.
At first I was not worried, because I figured I could trade for a QB later, I was really deep at RB and WR, but the asking price was ridiculously high (and seems to still be high based on early trade discussions for 2014). So if I want to compete at QB, I'll need to act earlier than the rest of the fantasy world might think is wise.The flip side to this, is my league drastically undervalues WRs even the elite talents, save maybe Megatron. So now I know going into this upcoming draft season, if there is a place to make a mistake, it's at WR. There will be opportunities at that position to add value that will not be there at QB (or RB for that matter).
What I came away with from this last year, was the importance of knowing your fellow league members and catching on to the collective trends that they are falling into. It's great to have the strategy from experts and the like, but you have to know if it is applicable to your situation.
For example, my league (which is standard scoring, 16 teams, 2 keepers) places a high premium on quarterbacks. Lots of folks advocated for waiting on QB last season, and in general I agreed with that assessment, it was a terrible decision on my part to follow that strategy in my league. 8 QBs were kept going into the draft and the remaining pool flew off the board. After the 4th round the only QBs that would end up being really relevant were Rivers and Foles.
At first I was not worried, because I figured I could trade for a QB later, I was really deep at RB and WR, but the asking price was ridiculously high (and seems to still be high based on early trade discussions for 2014). So if I want to compete at QB, I'll need to act earlier than the rest of the fantasy world might think is wise.The flip side to this, is my league drastically undervalues WRs even the elite talents, save maybe Megatron. So now I know going into this upcoming draft season, if there is a place to make a mistake, it's at WR. There will be opportunities at that position to add value that will not be there at QB (or RB for that matter).
Not trying to be combative, but I think you are misreading the situation there. This was a good year to wait on QB, but you are in a 16 team league with 2 keepers, so of course the pickings are going to be slim after round 4 because 96 players are gone. That is similar to waiting until round 9 to take your QB in a 12 team league except that there is greater QB need in a 16 team than a 12 team, so scarcity is going to be even more of a problem. But it's not like the players weren't available. I waited and obviously didn't take my leagues by storm with Peyton, but a combination of Tannehill, Palmer, Rivers, and Big Ben was usually good enough to get the job done and all were had much later than round 9 in 12-team leagues. Dalton, Alex Smith, and Foles obviously helped a lot of other people who waited, too.
So yeah, you always need to know league tendencies, but I could've told you before the draft that you'd see at least 15 QBs off the board by the end of round 4 in that league.
If you guys only require 2 WR spots or allow for a flex that might explain the lack of interest in WRs in that league.
So yeah, you always need to know league tendencies, but I could've told you before the draft that you'd see at least 15 QBs off the board by the end of round 4 in that league.
If you guys only require 2 WR spots or allow for a flex that might explain the lack of interest in WRs in that league.
Cheesesteak Vegas
Footballguy
I don't find this combative at all, so no worries. I'd have to check but I think more than 15 were gone by that point, but that's not really the point. It was really the trade market that caught me off guard. Part of my problem, I'm sure, is that for the last few years I've lucked out with my QBs, with either Brees, or Cam, or someone else that hit. This year it didn't go that way and I found myself just looking at my QB slot pretty ticked off.
As far as the WR goes, the way our flex spots is instead of RB2 there is an RB/WR flex spot, and there is a WR/TE flex instead of a WR3 slot. So a lot of times a top 20 WR can work as an RB2 depending on your team make up. The flex spots were done this way to attempt to more closely mirror the options a real NFL team might have with a base offense. Not sure it really works that way, but it does make for some interesting decisions and I'm all for that.
In either case, it's a lesson learned. It's really to early to get to wrapped up set on how I'm going to construct my roster next year, but I'll be a little more aware of this this upcoming year.
Coaches, coaches, coaches. And offensive coordinators.
I won my work league due to getting sleepers like Jordan Cameron and Alshon Jeffery.
Articles like this are invaluable come draft time:
Some of the tables aren't formatted right. Click the click links to see it.
https://www.numberfire.com/nfl/news/1001/what-norv-turner-can-do-for-jordan-cameron-in-cleveland
https://www.numberfire.com/nfl/news/996/mike-mccoy-quarterback-whisperer
https://www.numberfire.com/nfl/news/995/can-andy-reid-help-the-chiefs-offense
https://www.numberfire.com/nfl/news/983/what-marc-trestman-can-bring-to-chicago-in-2013
I won my work league due to getting sleepers like Jordan Cameron and Alshon Jeffery.
Articles like this are invaluable come draft time:
Some of the tables aren't formatted right. Click the click links to see it.
https://www.numberfire.com/nfl/news/1001/what-norv-turner-can-do-for-jordan-cameron-in-cleveland
I drafted Jordan Cameron in all my leagues LATE after I read this article. Norv Turner uses his tight end very well.
https://www.numberfire.com/nfl/news/996/mike-mccoy-quarterback-whisperer
2013: Rivers' Pass NEP was 162.80 and for Yards/Attempt it was 8.3. The jump in Rivers's numbers is proof that McCoy was a factor. COACHING!
https://www.numberfire.com/nfl/news/995/can-andy-reid-help-the-chiefs-offense
With Andy Reid, Jamaal Charles caught 70 passes and ran the ball 259 times. If you were in a PPR league and noticed Reid coaching philosophy, Charles was a steal in the first round of PPR leagues.
https://www.numberfire.com/nfl/news/983/what-marc-trestman-can-bring-to-chicago-in-2013
Matt Forte went from in 2012 catching the ball 44 times to 70 times in 2013 under Trestman. We all saw what Trestman did with Cutler and McCown. And analyzing how he spread the ball around in Oakland, should have had Alshon Jeffery on everyone sleeper list.
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I learned a few things from the 2013 Fantasy Football Season:
1-You can have the best draft according to the experts, but if your team catches the injury bug, you won't stand a chance.
I had a redraft team last year I drafted as follows:
PPR
6-points for all TDs
1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1 TE, 1Flex, 1DEF, 1K
Cam Newton
Ben Roethelisberger
Doug Martin
Maurice Jones-Drew
Lamar Miller
Andre Brown
Calvin Johnson
Randall Cobb
Steve Smith
Emmanuel Sanders
Greg Olsen
Martellus Bennett
Greg Zurelein
GB D/ST
TB D/ST
This team was projected to be a playoff lock according the the football guys preseason "rank my team" and ESPN insider tool. However, Doug Martin, Mike James (who I picked up after Martin got hurt), Andre Brown and Randall Cobb all got hurt. With a very poor start (1-5) I seemed done for. After Cobb returned and waivers came through, I ended the season 6-7, in 7th place.
So it doesn't matter how good your team is. If they are injury prone, your chances of winning are diminished.
2- Trades
If a trade can improve your roster do it. If you can make a trade work to improve your roster, do it. Don't be afraid to trade players. I made 4 trades in my office redraft league last year. They go as follows:
Colston
for
Wilson (week 4)
Gore and Bowe
for
CJ2K and Gordon (week 5)
Richardson and Bennett
for
Wilson (week 11)
Harvin
for
Hilton (week 12)
Now if you take away the Colston trade which was admittedly a mistake that blew up in my face, I came out on top of all these trades. I was able to upgrade my whole team as a result. Without Josh Gordon, I would not have clinched the #4 seed of the playoffs, win 7 match ups in a row and clinch the league title (and $450 mind you).
If I see a trade that works I try to trade. Whether I'm helping the other team too or completely ripping them off, trading is a great way to improve your fantasy team.
1-You can have the best draft according to the experts, but if your team catches the injury bug, you won't stand a chance.
I had a redraft team last year I drafted as follows:
PPR
6-points for all TDs
1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1 TE, 1Flex, 1DEF, 1K
Cam Newton
Ben Roethelisberger
Doug Martin
Maurice Jones-Drew
Lamar Miller
Andre Brown
Calvin Johnson
Randall Cobb
Steve Smith
Emmanuel Sanders
Greg Olsen
Martellus Bennett
Greg Zurelein
GB D/ST
TB D/ST
This team was projected to be a playoff lock according the the football guys preseason "rank my team" and ESPN insider tool. However, Doug Martin, Mike James (who I picked up after Martin got hurt), Andre Brown and Randall Cobb all got hurt. With a very poor start (1-5) I seemed done for. After Cobb returned and waivers came through, I ended the season 6-7, in 7th place.
So it doesn't matter how good your team is. If they are injury prone, your chances of winning are diminished.
2- Trades
If a trade can improve your roster do it. If you can make a trade work to improve your roster, do it. Don't be afraid to trade players. I made 4 trades in my office redraft league last year. They go as follows:
Colston
for
Wilson (week 4)
Gore and Bowe
for
CJ2K and Gordon (week 5)
Richardson and Bennett
for
Wilson (week 11)
Harvin
for
Hilton (week 12)
Now if you take away the Colston trade which was admittedly a mistake that blew up in my face, I came out on top of all these trades. I was able to upgrade my whole team as a result. Without Josh Gordon, I would not have clinched the #4 seed of the playoffs, win 7 match ups in a row and clinch the league title (and $450 mind you).
If I see a trade that works I try to trade. Whether I'm helping the other team too or completely ripping them off, trading is a great way to improve your fantasy team.
To be fair, 134% of all teams drafted were predicted to go to the playoffs using this measure.
ClevelandRocks
Footballguy
In terms of dynasty my lesson learned this year is to put zero stock in mock rookie drafts early on(Feb-Mar). I thought I hade the rookie draft pretty much pinpointed as far as value wise and was wrong, traded down way too early.
Koya
Footballguy
It's a game of chance and luck - but take the wise gambles and it should pay off.
Namely, guys like McCoy, Charles, Peyton in a 2 QB league provide huge advantages. They make a mediocre team competitive and a solid team very good. You get two? Chance to be great if you are stable elsewhere.
Now, we all would like this players in hindsight, but playing it too safe during the draft won't likely win you a champ. Either go very solid early if you have a strategy to use the late early rounds and middle rounds to sneak in an overlooked stud, or more likely aim in your first three picks to give your team the best chance to hit on one if not two of those studs and take a bunch a big fliers toward the end rather than just a guy that fills a spot.
Also, sitting still is the wusses way out - often to disappointment... If rather trade a guy too early if I get ok value with upside than hold onto a guy until my chance to trade him at all, my team,
and my season are sunk.
Namely, guys like McCoy, Charles, Peyton in a 2 QB league provide huge advantages. They make a mediocre team competitive and a solid team very good. You get two? Chance to be great if you are stable elsewhere.
Now, we all would like this players in hindsight, but playing it too safe during the draft won't likely win you a champ. Either go very solid early if you have a strategy to use the late early rounds and middle rounds to sneak in an overlooked stud, or more likely aim in your first three picks to give your team the best chance to hit on one if not two of those studs and take a bunch a big fliers toward the end rather than just a guy that fills a spot.
Also, sitting still is the wusses way out - often to disappointment... If rather trade a guy too early if I get ok value with upside than hold onto a guy until my chance to trade him at all, my team,
and my season are sunk.
First, I think my lessons learned are somewhat colored by my league roster/scoring rules. 1qb/1rb/2wr/2flex rb-wr-te/1dst/1k with 8 bench. 6pts all tds; .5ppr; 1pt/25 passing; 1pt/10 rush-rec. 12 team dynasty auction with keepers being $5 per yr in addition to what you paid in auction and you have to announce the full length of the contract prior to the next yrs auction draft. $180 draft cap total salary cap during season (waiver wires included - auction) $220.
I learned that (what works best for me in this league):
1) While QB's can be had later and the top tier is very expensive, I would rather have two good prospects on my team in case one doesn't pan out. Nothing worse than thinking you have value picked a mid tier QB that you think should be top 10 only to see that you missed and have to rely on a QB with even less of an upside as your starter. What I did, that worked out for me was I drafted M.Ryan thinking he should be solid and Romo as my back up to give me two bites at the apple. While you can only play one, with my starting lineup, I just feel the leason I learned is you need two good options at such a critical position. I have tried the matchup type strategy and it never worked for me. These guys need to have a good chance of being in at least the lower part of the top 10. (ie more likely than not)
2) A stud RB1 is hard to come by. Depth is shallow if your consider the depth at WR, which with my league's flex options basically means I lump RB's and WR's into the same category. My league is still of the mindset that they are willing spend ridiculous money on a top tier RB1 which may or may not pan out. I learned that putting too many of your eggs in one basket never works for me (maybe I am just unlucky). I even thought I was good with D.Martin locked into a contract at $36. Lesson learned...if feel like the NFL has shifted to to the point that it use to be you would hang your hat on strong RB's and take your chances on a number of WR's in hopes a couple hit. I feel now it is really a situation where you need a couple stud WR's a couple really good upside WR 2's and then do your speculation on the RB's.
3) Note: we are not forced to start a TE. It seems like the past few years there is a TE that shows up and puts up points that rival WR2 and even WR1. When you are in a league that doesn't require a starting TE these can be great resources. I picked up Grahm and Gronk their breakout years and they make atleast great WR2's numbers. I went after D.Thomas for $40 and K.Allen as one of a couple of targest to try to make as strong a WR/TE corp as possible.
Long story short, my priority list is 1) WR/TEs to be my core punch; 2) Two QB's so I don't have to do the merry-go-round fillin as that is so frustrating; 3) speculating for RB's (I won't be affraid to land a 10pt type RB as my RB1 b/c I feel I have less chance on missing with the depth at WR/TE roster spots and try to land a diamond in the ruff that suprises is gravy). Either too costly and/or to unpredictable for me to get a top tier RB1.
I learned that (what works best for me in this league):
1) While QB's can be had later and the top tier is very expensive, I would rather have two good prospects on my team in case one doesn't pan out. Nothing worse than thinking you have value picked a mid tier QB that you think should be top 10 only to see that you missed and have to rely on a QB with even less of an upside as your starter. What I did, that worked out for me was I drafted M.Ryan thinking he should be solid and Romo as my back up to give me two bites at the apple. While you can only play one, with my starting lineup, I just feel the leason I learned is you need two good options at such a critical position. I have tried the matchup type strategy and it never worked for me. These guys need to have a good chance of being in at least the lower part of the top 10. (ie more likely than not)
2) A stud RB1 is hard to come by. Depth is shallow if your consider the depth at WR, which with my league's flex options basically means I lump RB's and WR's into the same category. My league is still of the mindset that they are willing spend ridiculous money on a top tier RB1 which may or may not pan out. I learned that putting too many of your eggs in one basket never works for me (maybe I am just unlucky). I even thought I was good with D.Martin locked into a contract at $36. Lesson learned...if feel like the NFL has shifted to to the point that it use to be you would hang your hat on strong RB's and take your chances on a number of WR's in hopes a couple hit. I feel now it is really a situation where you need a couple stud WR's a couple really good upside WR 2's and then do your speculation on the RB's.
3) Note: we are not forced to start a TE. It seems like the past few years there is a TE that shows up and puts up points that rival WR2 and even WR1. When you are in a league that doesn't require a starting TE these can be great resources. I picked up Grahm and Gronk their breakout years and they make atleast great WR2's numbers. I went after D.Thomas for $40 and K.Allen as one of a couple of targest to try to make as strong a WR/TE corp as possible.
Long story short, my priority list is 1) WR/TEs to be my core punch; 2) Two QB's so I don't have to do the merry-go-round fillin as that is so frustrating; 3) speculating for RB's (I won't be affraid to land a 10pt type RB as my RB1 b/c I feel I have less chance on missing with the depth at WR/TE roster spots and try to land a diamond in the ruff that suprises is gravy). Either too costly and/or to unpredictable for me to get a top tier RB1.
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buck naked
Footballguy
Hot Diggity Dog
Footballguy
In redraft leagues the RB, RB theory of drafting is dead. Been dieing for awhile, I think it is dead now.
Sure, it isn't a hard and fast rule like people claim it used to be, but drafting RB, RB is still very viable.
I think it is going to have to be an unusual situation where RB, RB is an option just b/c the game (from a FF perspective) has changed...your league scoring dictating, but I think typically, RB, RB is probably not the best situation unless you also have some guppies in your league. Those days have passed, typically.FF Ninja said:
last yr plenty of rb/rb combos were extremely potent. plenty of teams had the opportunity to get pair peterson/charles/mccoy/lynch with forte/gore/bush/cj/murray and it surely worked out well. the key is, obv, to hit on the right picks and avoid martin foster spiller rice sjax ridley wilson.
ofc, some of those guys who busted last yr will be studs again and some of the guys who shined will cost you. its pretty impossible to predict. theres every indication that spiller and martin will put up solid points next but shouldnt charles and mccoy be due for a decline after such hudge workloads? the only certainty will be that plenty of ppl will say "i told you so" after the fact.
Hot Diggity Dog
Footballguy
RB RB used to be dominant , there are certainly situations where it would be a good , but it means you are investing in the most volatile position both prediction and injury wise.
Nah, it's very easy to see RB/RB working out well. I won't determine my personal strategy until ADPs firm up, but typically there is a guy in rounds 5-6 that I'm really big on that I think I can count on as an RB2 or WR2 at the price of RB3 or WR3/4. Last year it was Mathews, so I punted RB2 until the 5th round unless crazy value fell to me. But looking at the PDSL ADPs just for a fun, way too early draft strategy, it appears you can grab two RBs and then snag Jordy in the 3rd, Fitz or AJ in the 4th, and pick your own flavor of WR3. Then you could grab yourself a TE, a Gerhart, and a Blackmon (or however you please for a high volume, dependable RB and a high ceiling WR4).
And I'd do that in PPR or 0PPR.
nightmare
Footballguy
Dynasty-Let the preseason play out along with the first two or three games.
Just because a team drafts a player that's now ranked ahead of your pretty
good backup do not throw him away. He might be good for this season.
ETA-2010 preseasom I pick up all the waiver wire SD RB's-Tolbert included.
They draft R Matthews. I drop em all except D Sproles. 2010 Tolbeert is RB 19.
He goes off for 735/11 with another 216 rec. 2011 R Matthews is supposed to
be RB1. Tolbert 492/8 run, 433/2 rec good for RB 22. I still have Sproles until
he goes to NO-i let him go in our free agent auction. We all know how that went.
I though NO's backfield was to crowded. 2011 Sproles is RB 10, 2012 RB 22.
Just because a team drafts a player that's now ranked ahead of your pretty
good backup do not throw him away. He might be good for this season.
ETA-2010 preseasom I pick up all the waiver wire SD RB's-Tolbert included.
They draft R Matthews. I drop em all except D Sproles. 2010 Tolbeert is RB 19.
He goes off for 735/11 with another 216 rec. 2011 R Matthews is supposed to
be RB1. Tolbert 492/8 run, 433/2 rec good for RB 22. I still have Sproles until
he goes to NO-i let him go in our free agent auction. We all know how that went.
I though NO's backfield was to crowded. 2011 Sproles is RB 10, 2012 RB 22.
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Rennertime
Footballguy
What I learned is that not only is the QB position deep in typical standard league formats (won a league with Rivers then Cutler/McCown/Palmer) but I also learned that when you don't spend a high draft pick on a QB you can easily bench that QB and move to another option if your "starter" slumps. If I get my QB late or off waivers I don't have a problem with dropping them on their ### and going with another option as I am not attached to them emotionally.
A league mate of mine had one of the best and deepest teams in the league all season with Stafford as his QB. Stafford slumped in the last few games of the season and the GM couldn't bring himself to bench Stafford and go with another option. Therefore he was eliminated in his first game of the playoffs. All because he keep telling himself that Stafford would bounce back. He was effectively locked into Stafford because of past performance.
A league mate of mine had one of the best and deepest teams in the league all season with Stafford as his QB. Stafford slumped in the last few games of the season and the GM couldn't bring himself to bench Stafford and go with another option. Therefore he was eliminated in his first game of the playoffs. All because he keep telling himself that Stafford would bounce back. He was effectively locked into Stafford because of past performance.
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Junior McSpiffy
Footballguy
What I learned? Trust your board. In my draft, I passed over CJ Spiller even though everyone here was gushing over the guy. But nobody else in my league liked him either, so he fell to me in the second round. And I really wanted to pass him up, but I had this forum in my ear talking about value and opportunity cost and all sorts of other stuff. I let that override my basic instinct that Spiller was gonna tank and I took him.
The other thing I learned is that if you quit football after week 4 because you can't stand to see your team stink it up any more, you kinda lose track of waiver moves you should make.
The other thing I learned is that if you quit football after week 4 because you can't stand to see your team stink it up any more, you kinda lose track of waiver moves you should make.
death of the cool
Footballguy
My Jammal Charles/ Matt Forte RB/RB selections last year seem to indicate that RB/RB is not as dead as you think.
I personally think that the lesson people need to learn is that nobody should follow a "theory" and should be flexible to take advantage of what the draft is giving you. I like to tier each position based on ADP so that I know what to expect in each round and at what positions. I star players that I really like and would take earlier than their DP sugest.I never marry myself to certain positions at certain points, but I do like to make several senario's of what my team could possibly look like. I will take a value player, but only if I truly like the player. I won't take a player I don't believe in. In the mid to late rounds I begin taking guys with major upside (Josh Gordon). Hit on just 1 or 2 of them and it will take your team from solid to elite. The ones that do not work out are tossed back and you make agressive wavier wire moves.
Last year for my team it was a perfect storm....both Charles and Forte fell in my lap, and I was trageting both knowing that each would see a major bump in receptions. I took a chance on Josh Gordon that paid of huge....and when I had a pick that didn't work (RG3), I made a wavier move for Nick Foles that paid off.
JonBruin
Footballguy
Great point about it not being a hard and fast rule. Locking into a "strategy" is not a championship mentality. You have to be able to read your draft mates and take risk on the fly if you want to win your league. Making calculated risk at the right moments of your draft will give you the foundation on which you can build a championship team via waivers and trades even if your top 1 or 2 picks tank.
There is too much focus on getting full value on your top draft picks when more often than not its the mid round strategic picks and late round fliers that make or break your team. Perfect example is one team I had where four of my top six picks were Martin, Julio, Bowe, and Ryan. Even with the injuries and flops I was able to be a contender with waiver moves and my late round hits; Gordon, Cameron, and Vereen (all guys that were seen as risky picks on draft day).
This isn't a "what I learned last year" thing, but it's a great topic. I do this every year... I get myself a few ADPs and line out several scenarios that I know are feasible for the first 3 rounds (RB/TE/WR, RB/RB/WR, TE/RB/WR, etc. but usually with names like Forte/Gronk/Fitzgerald). Knowing your draft position makes a huge difference here because it gives you an even more acute plan of attack. And with each scenario, I plan out how I'd like the rest of my draft to go - making notes of 3-4 players per round to target. It really reduces the scrambling that can occur with short clocks, plus I think making quick draft picks can screw up your opponents. People who are not as prepared are much more likely to make mistakes (bye week issues, overlook a player, reaching to fill a position).
Another tip is to re-sort your ADP. I use an overall ADP when lining out my scenarios, but when I go into a draft I have it broken out into separate columns by position, since some leagues draft different positions at different times, but generally stick to the same order. For example, if the top 9 TEs are gone, there's a good chance #10 is going to go soon even if it is 2 rounds ahead of his ADP. Then highlight the guys you want, while keeping in mind when to target them to maximize value.
bleachercreacher
Footballguy
I'd argue that going RB/RB is more viable now than it was when everyone was following it. QB, WR, and TE are getting deeper and deeper every year, but there are fewer and fewer solid RB options. Combine this with more people people taking other positions early, and you can end up with 2 or 3 stud RB's thru 3 rounds. You have to choose the right RB's, and trust your judgement, but like the poster above, Jamaal Charles and LeSean McCoy single handedly won my league for me last year. I generally like the mid round WR's better than the mid round RB's also.
Hot Diggity Dog
Footballguy
Your experience proves my point. For you to get charles and forte means lots of non rbs were being picked. The days of 18 to 20 rbs being picked in the first 24 picks is gone. Can value fall to make it viable sure, but for the vast amount of players it becomes what you describe, a value play, not the plan going into the draft. A mixed position strategy is most prevalent now because it is expected that it will give you the most value. Back in the day you could count on half aleague with experienced players not even considering a mixed p0sition strategy. Those same guys now don't look at rb rb.
ZWK
Footballguy
(Dynasty) My biggest regrets from last year are trades that I didn't make. Harvin's owner put out feelers after he got hurt and I failed to pounce on it; another owner got him for cheap. Richardson went to Indy and part of me knew that it was a significant warning sign, but I only made a couple tentative attempts to trade him away before his value plummeted.
Lesson: be more aggressive about striking while the iron is hot, especially with elite players.
Lesson: be more aggressive about striking while the iron is hot, especially with elite players.
Nerdface Killah
Footballguy
It was don't drop Josh Gordon but that point is moot since he is suspended.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
My lessons learned? Stop buying into the hype and overthinking the measurables, and stick with guys who play like football players. All my teams have become much better by adding guys who I thought were players and ignoring the combine hype/numbers slotting/hyperbole crap.
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Drunken Benson
Footballguy
Look for opportunity, not talent. Knowshon Moreno sucks? Sure. But, he got the dream job; ergo he was a RB1. Le'veon Bell mediocre? Maybe. But, he's the man, so he's another RB1. Spotting talent is trickier. Not only do you have to see it, but so does the coach. Seek the clear path to production. (I'm looking at YOU, Montee Ball.)
For me the big take away is trust yourselves and facts. I was lucky enough to be in some "expert" leagues last year and learned pretty early on, experts are no different than guys in every league I play in. If you like somebody take him, regardless of what the "experts" say. Trust in your research and what you have read. At the end of the day it's your team, draft a team you will like rooting for.
As an example I avoided Doug Martin in every league last year because so much of his stats came from 1 game his rookie year and didn't like his talent. I also targeted Ryan Mathews because his ADP made his injury risk bearable. Zig when others Zag.
As an example I avoided Doug Martin in every league last year because so much of his stats came from 1 game his rookie year and didn't like his talent. I also targeted Ryan Mathews because his ADP made his injury risk bearable. Zig when others Zag.
matuski
Footballguy
Ruffrodys05
IBL Representative
I have no problem with others thinking that they have a better one, but I know who does.
zoonation
Footballguy
In the two leagues I played in last year getting Charles and Forte was never even possible. I don't think that is a fair defence of the strategy in view of the fact that those two guys were not available to one owner in any competitive league.
signormonsanto
Footballguy
I'm pretty new and haven't had much time lately, but I did learn this: learn a little something personal about your fellow league members - or else you may get hit with surprises.
UtterFantasy
Footballguy
greetings FFers- Last year I thought the WR pool was so deep, that I stock piles RB sin the first 3 rounds…( and didn't get McCoy or Charles ) missing out on the big play WRs that won leagues.
cheese
Footballguy
Spend more time worrying about which offenses will take a step forward and less time worrying about individual players. Similar to the coaches post above, if you figured out that Chicago, KC, Denver, and a few other teams would be the offenses to greatly improve, identifying Charles, ASmith, Forte, Marshall, Jeffrey, Peyton, Decker, DThomas, JThomas as the ones to benefit was the easy part. In hindsight, some of those offenses getting way better was somewhat predictable, much more than guessing at specific players.
Super King
Footballguy
Churn that roster.
Super King
Footballguy
and this. Won't be drafting him in the first again...12punch said:
bulger2holt
Footballguy
Who are all of these big play WR's that you speak of? Not counting the normal rd 1 and 2 obvious ones.
FUBAR
Footballguy
camel archer
Footballguy
If you believe in someone, take them as soon as you can and don't try to play the ADP. I drafted Eddie Lacy near the top of the 2nd last year after Jimmy Graham in the 1st.
This year I ended up waiting on WR due to who was on the board at the time and drafted Brandin Cooks as my WR2.
This year I ended up waiting on WR due to who was on the board at the time and drafted Brandin Cooks as my WR2.
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Warrior
Footballguy
Junior McSpiffy
Footballguy
Lesson I learned in 2013:
Tiajuana whores who say they are clean... are probably lying.
Tiajuana whores who say they are clean... are probably lying.
